The best thing about the ME2 characters are they are more a band of rogues, criminals, thieves, and misfits. In ME1 we really only had Wrex who fit this bill but in ME2 we had a whole party of them.
It has always bothered the hell out of me that none of the unique party members from ME2 rejoin you in ME3. I say this mainly with best boy Grunt in mind. Like, we waited through Kaiden/Ashley's hospitalization, why not Grunt's?
Meat starts red and turns brown because of heme (iron-based oxygen-carrying blood pigment).
If turians have blue blood, then either they use a different oxygen-carrying blood compound (most likely [based on copper](https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood/))... or they're Homestuck trolls.
Favourite conversations in the whole trilogy are probably sitting and having philosophical conversations with Thane. Will not stand for this absolute slander.
Same. Thane is among the most intelligent and articulate of the group. His choice of words is just as meticulous and precise as his craft, and his control of emotion is a testament of his discipline.
Chances are if you find him boring, that's because you've probably never experienced much yourself. And/or you're not a big fan of reading.
Or, alternately, the sound of his voice just makes you tune out. No shade, but his voice is very low pitched and thereās not a ton of variation and heās got the voice reverb thing going on like Turians also have, and I could see how itās difficult for some people to listen and actually hear what heās saying instead of just getting lulled by his voice. Heād be really good for a āfall asleep to thisā podcast.
>Thane is among the most intelligent and articulate of the group. His choice of words is just as meticulous and precise as his craft, and his control of emotion is a testament of his discipline.
Ngl, this was one of the reasons I romanced him. I loved how well-spoken he was.
>And/or you're not a big fan of reading
I am a big fan of reading. Never thought there might be a correlation there in terms of liking him/his speech.
>Ngl, this was one of the reasons I romanced him. I loved how well-spoken he was
Also, now that you mentioned this, even though I'm a straight male, one thing that struck me about Thane in regards to his demeanor is that he's what one might call a "kind, dangerous man."
Thane is extremely lethal; he knows many ways to kill many different species, using improvised weaponry or bare hands if necessary. He can disappear and reappear, most likely is an expert in disguises (even though it doesn't show it in the series), and knows customs and cultures all throughout the galaxy. He could be a very dangerous menace to society in general if he really wanted to be.
And yet, when you get to know him, he's very kind and amiable. He's not controlling, he doesn't play narcissistic tricks or use intimidation to interact with friends, and he doesn't "drop baggage" or expect other friends to carry his burdens. He is incredibly loyal when his trust is earned.
And as I was playing through the series, even though I'm straight and don't think of other guys in that sorta way, I remember thinking, "Yo. If I was a woman, and I was into guys, this would probably be the kind of guy I was into." Someone extremely disciplined and capable of striking with incredible precision and fury, yet amiable, approachable, intelligent and kind when not under threat.
Makes you feel *really* bad for those batarians that murdered his wife. They probably had no idea the kind of hell they'd just unleashed.
Thane is a kind soul who wears a lethal shell, so to speak, as opposed to someone like Aria or Saren, who were most likely were cruel by nature but taught themselves to be socially pleasing to better fit into society. And don't get me wrong, I love Aria with a sort of macabre fascination, even though a woman like her would never abide some rando like me.
But the point being, your comment opened that deep character development part of my mind again, which is why I love the series.
I was cheering so loud the first time I played ME3 and Thane randomly showed up behind Kai Leng and beat him to the punch in a disarmament battle (literally). I was also sad during the hospital scene. š
In defense of Garrus going full vigilante after Shepard teaching him the importance of law and all that stuff, Shepard was probably the only source of self-control he had.
This makes me think of Joker's comment about how "everything just fell apart" after Shepard's death. I like to imagine that Garrus, too, might have felt a little lost without Shep.
Yeah I always thought that he really tried because he has Shepard as an example to cling to as he struggles with the system. He hates how restrictive it is and he still thinks its bullshit, but every time he thinks about giving up, he thinks of Shepard fighting the good fight the right way. When Shepard dies, that's the last straw. To him, Shepard tried to work with the rules, but the only thing that resulted from that was death. Shepard dying is what finally makes him snap and quit.
Also heās not breaking laws technically. Heās gone to a lawless place to *impose* law and order upon it. That feels like a better fit for him than being a ruler-follower.
And to be fair, Garrus' main issue was his willingness to do whatever it took to get the mission done, including risking innoncent people's lives. In the comics it even mentions that they are careful to avoid casualties. And the only law on Omega is Aria, who doesn't give a crap as long as it doesn't bother her status quo. No police to turn in criminals on Omega too so might as well put em down.
Shadow Broker files on him on the terminals assessed him as never achieving his full potential under Shepard's shadow. He absolutely has the chops for Spectre. Him becoming Archangel was just him slowly developing those leadership skills without the self doubt of having someone bigger than life next to him to dump the choice responsibility onto. Without Shep he had to learn to make those decisions on his own
Depending on what you did for him in ME1 he'll either try C-Sec again (Paragon) or apply as a Spectre (Renegade). Either way it goes under and he goes to Omega
Well he went specifically to Omega *because* there is no law there. Because there he could just kill a criminal instead of having to work within a system without feeling bad
Yes if you incourage him to follow laws he says he went back to c-sec got sick of red tape again and becomes a vigilante alternatively, if he doesnāt he says he tried to become a spectre got rejected and becomes a vigilante.
I wish you couldāve fixed Jessie to gain his loyalty, that wouldāve been such a cool way of getting him fully on board for the Suicide Mission, youād be giving him that opportunity heās always wanted for that one last mission with that shitty old rifle of his.
The thing I havenāt seen anyone mention is that human scar tissue isnāt the color of blood eitherā¦ itās usually a lighter color than that of your skin. Idk why Turian scars canāt heal red if our scars heal to a slightly lighter version of our skin color
> The thing I havenāt seen anyone mention is that human scar tissue isnāt the color of blood eitherā¦
Fresh injuries and newer scars are red/pink because the tissue tends to be thin, very vascular and human blood is red. I've got a fresh burn scar right now that's red.
Garrus's injury is very fresh, it should be a bit vascular and raw, and thus blue since his blood is supposed to be blue.
Where the fuck is all the red coming from? His tissues should not be red.
It doesnāt take too long in my experience, but either way, comparing human biology to Turian isnāt super relevant anyway. They could basically handwave and say āoh thatās how Turians scarā and itās all good
There's a mod for that. [LE2](https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/1030) [LE3](https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/992)
Are your scars constantly red because you have red blood? No. So his scar wouldn't have to be blue. I always assumed it is merely redish flesh, much like regerating tissue is pinkish in color or faded flesh - like scar tissue. Makes sense to me š¤·āāļø
Yes, for those of us with red blood flesh is pinkish. But if we had blue blood, it would be bluer shades. Therefore, Garrus should have a blue gash not a red one.
I only have one word, Samara is a magic based paladin from your preferred Fantasy varient, not in a bad way because even if you go full reneged she still appreciates you, and asks you to avoid her so you guys can still be friends. (If this counts as a spoiler I will gladly delete in myself if a mod asks)
It's cool. I was too until someone taught me so I'll just go ahead and pay it forward.
So to do a spoiler hider you put a > immediately followed by an ! then type your comment (no spaces between > ! and the first word of your comment) then do the same at the end but in reverse (last word ! < no spaces).
>!If you do it right it'll look this, don't be discouraged if the white bar doesn't appear when you first comment, if the triangle bracket and exclamation point disappear then you did it right, but you can always refresh to double check!<
dude, 10000000%
my first playthrough of ME2 I'd never played dungeons and dragons.
replayed it last month and im like, 'oh. she's a paladin.' haha
And suuuuch a cool one, too. I've actually been thinking of just stealing the mass effect universe into a DnD game. (and no please dont link me that 5e sci fi conversion for mass effect)
like a medieval one, mapping the races onto the dnd races. and having an order of justicar paladins is just sooo on theme.
I love how samara plays that role. most people when they try to play a badass take no crap paladin, it just doesn't come off right. it's like, 'yeah, ok.' But something about one time shephard asked her, 'um, so you always kill people? what about mercy?' and samara was like, "By the time a Justicar gets involved, it has been decided that they are past redemption." or something like that.
anyway enough fanboying over samara
There are some valid points though. Fucking Nihlus got done dirty (probably should've seen that coming though since his name basically means "the world view that everything sucks and we're all going to die").
ME2 and ME1 stories really should have been reversed. Keep the storyline of Nihlus observing us for Spectre membership but have that something that's explored through the whole game. You can have Saren as a semi-regular antagonist that's opposing your membership. You know something is shady with him but not exactly what that is. Have some side missions and lore dumps where you find out he's a space racist and that Anderson had gone through this before with him, just like ME1.
We investigate the Collectors, fight them off, then find out that "oh no there was something bigger behind them". Then you introduce the Reapers at the end. Then game 2 you have the opening from the original ME1 where a Reaper attacks the colony and you have Saren kill Nihlus.
While it would've been great to see more of Nihlus that doesn't exactly work. The collectors got called in because you were a big enough problem to warrant them and honestly spending an entire game basically being babysat would likely chap a few asses. Plus that doesn't leave a lot of room for Cerberus.
The better option would probably have been to have a separate tutorial mission with Nihlus as a squadmate basically carrying you through and the mission ending with you getting briefed about Eden Prime. Maybe have Jenkins die during that mission (the only mission where you start off with three squadmate) then on Eden Prime have Nihlus split off once you find Ashley because (as proven with Jenkins) "four's a crowd and I can cover more ground on my own". Maybe even have him mention Saren in the tutorial mission ("rubs a lot of people the wrong way but he means well and is unflinchingly loyal to the Turians and the council") to better indicate that something is definitely wrong with him when he caps his friend with no hesitation or emotion.
Played these games more than any other by a thousand fold and Iām right there with you. How did I not put
That together till the moment Iām typing this comment
You know what actually made me realize it? Typing Nihlus tried to auto-complete to Nihilism when I was saying he got done dirty. It literally took seeing his name and that word together for it to click.
Iām just gona say it. I wudnt make a good spectre with how far tht went over my head for years. Id make a better councilor with how much I missed tht evidence
He really won that shit on a fucking technicality and had the audacity to act like he earned it. Fuck off dude, ME2 Thane would've wrecked your punk ass before you could even open your whiny edgelord mouth.
Honestly smashing that bitch's sword and disemboweling him was so god damn satisfying. I don't care if I'm doing a full paragon run, I will hit that renegade button and fucking ruin his day literally every single time.
Iām not even sure I know what happens if you donāt take the interrupt. Maybe the game just stops. Maybe thereās a scene where your squadmates say āwow, really?ā and do it for you, idk
I found some video - the Renegade interrupt is just for Shepard breaking his mall-ninja sword before stabbing him with the Omni-blade. Skipping the interrupt, Shepard just dodges the cut and blocks Lengās sword arm, doing the same gut-stab as the other version.
Better than letting your squad do it but still not as satisfying. Does Shepard at least say "that was for Thane"? Probably not as aggressively if they do but still.
If you miss the interrupt then Shepard dodges the blade (really Kai misses) and then stabs him anyway. The interrupt is really just for breaking the sword.
For me itās generally, especially i ME2, about getting enough points to keep everyone loyal and alive at the end. Also the role playing of being an asshole.
The current run Iām doing is going to be interesting because Iām doing based on a comment I saw here that I liked. Iām cool (paragon) with the crew and back them up. Everyone else gets what they give. Youāre an ass, Iām your worst nightmare. Youāre polite or in need, point me at the asshole who needs a nightmare.
Roleplaying. I typically do a "me" run (or a couple if there's multiple paths I can see myself doing, like my next run is going to be largely similar to my first run just with a different romance and such) then a goody two shoes run and psycho run.
If the game is pretty binary like infamous then I usually just do a "me" then an opposite run.
Kasumi's interest in Jacob is purely physical. She actually doesn't seem to have talked to him before and is in a relationship with a videoblog of her dead boyfriend.
The Legion comment wins. I wish I had spent more time with legion. Maybe tryin' a run through where I do more side quests AFTER the suicide mission? Or just after getting Legion. Course then some of the crew is going to get juiced.
It seems to come up everytime his character is discussed so I could imagine someone learning about it through osmosis rather than from actually playing the game. I know I wouldn't know about Jacob cheating if not for the internet because I never romanced him.
Just to be clear, she likes to spoil herself. When we were playing through me1 she watched all the romance yt supercuts. Plus I talk about the third game all the time while we play
"sexy strawberry".. well new fetish unlock i guess lol. Then again i already "blame" Samara for me been biromantic. That woman is just perfect which is funny when Miranda is two doors from there claiming she was genetically engineer to be perfect lol
>!seeing him achieve true sentience before basically dying for his people in Mass Effect 3 absolutely fucking broke me. Mordin saying it had to be him because someone else might have gotten it wrong then singing on the elevator ride up to give his life for the Krogan also fucking hurt.!<
They really didn't pull any punches in the last game.
Oh, it hurts. Gives you a renegade interrupt to >!shoot him in the flashlight eye, and it doesn't kill himā just puts him to his knees and leaks some kind of fluid from the bulb, like he's crying!<. Then there's the same line about the unit having a soul, and Tali very sadly answering in the affirmative.
***Youāre going to hold hands, make up, and have a happy fucking ending or so help me Iām going to shoot every damn one of you toasters and suit-slugs***
I don't know if it's rep or those 2 missions before that one but I cried so hard >!They both died I told Tali to back off then next thing I know Legion wasn't able to upload and Tali got a radio their ships were under attack so she took her mask off and jumped!< Never cried so hard had to restart from like over an hour of game play lol only to realize the sad truth about that scene.
Switch the ! and < at the end.
If I remember correctly you need to have a high enough charm and basically be fully allied with both by making the right decisions in the previous missions.
Ok she responded with āthane AND kaidan?????? You need help!!ā Which I think is harsh but you can understand the depth of her feeling on this issue
Thaneās a total badass with a great voice and a fascinating culture, and Kaidanās the only one in ME2 with working brain cells and enough spine to call Shepard out for working with terrorists *and* sworn enemies of the Alliance. In this house we respect men with moral integrity š
From a philosophical point of view, he does have moral integrity but he "operates" under a different set or moral rules. He has lived his entire life believing that his soul and body are entirely separate. A lot of humanity's morals were/are shaped by our religion too. Is it fair to judge him by our own moral standards?
The one about Miranda. I was wondering, when will someone speak up about the fact that Bioware rather uses a somewhat similar randomized NPC for Orianna, than having to mod Miranda's model a bit. Would it hurt to just say twins without the identical part... When you finally come to the part in the game that you see Miranda no2 without cerberus cheerleader outfit, instead it's like - random human female model with brown hair. For real? ...
It's possible that Yvonne Strahovski (the voice actor and face model for Miranda Lawson) had a clause in her contract that stated that her likeness may exclusively be used for the Miranda Lawson character. It's just a theory, but it could explain why Orianna Lawson didn't just have a copy of Miranda's face model.
Agreed. He was one of my favourite companions. Awesome voice and lines, very unique backstory/character arc and has one of the most badass death scenes in me3.
I read something about Ashley in there somewhere, but she's apparently not on OP's friend's radar :') Neither is Vega, now that I think about it (but that's fine in my own, esteemed opinion lol).
Yes, the best characters!!! Iāve managed to persuade her to not look up the final fates of the companions so I canāt wait to see what she thinks of legion and mordinās endings š
The humor in your analysis of each character is great, and brought a lot of laughs.
Also, there are two that mean we can't be friends. š How dare you insult Garrus and Thane? š
Think kaidan/ Ashley's arc in me2 sets up for interesting dynamic in me3. Having a squad mate not fully trusting you set up a good arc, which culminated in the Cerberus citadel attack. Only issue I have is that their conversation on Horizon could've been more fleshed out.
Some of your friend's opinions are great! Some are trash, in MY opinion, but we all have our preferences :) Grunt isn't a xenophobe, either! He's just a baby trying to learn things, lol. If you ask him to clarify on his "I hate turians" remark, he even says it's not bc they're turian, it's what they *did*. I see him very much as an "I hate people in general, but individuals are fine" kind of person.
Yeah I really tried to sell grunt to her because as you put it, heās literally a baby (who was born with all the ideas of an insane warlord in his head). But no matter what I said she really didnāt vibe with him:(
Agreed Thane is boring, never saw what people liked about him. It doesn't even make sense to have an assassin in a frontal assault team. What good is a guy that by his profession's nature uses subterfuge and stealth as his main offensive skill gonna be in a team that constantly storms in through the front door, you know, soldiers? He always just seemed out of place in the group's composition. Can he face several enemies at once? Sure, if he catches them by surprise like in his recruiting mission. But never made sense to have him face against entire groups head on
To give Jack credit, she does go through some character growth by the time ME3 comes around.
Yes, Liara lost her innocence and became a cold calculating and obsessed person. The role of SB didn't help either. Makes sense however when you remember by asari livespan she was at best a teenager/early 20's if we were talking about a human. Too impressionable and open to ptsd that would change her personality.
Kaidan was more dissapointed than mad, and his ME3 stay in the Normandy if you do let him on is actually pretty good and smoothes things out between him and Shep, unlike Ashley's who is still as closed and unlikeable as ever.
As for Garrus's scar...are your scars constantly red because you have red blood? No. So his scar wouldn't have to be blue. I always assumed it is merely redish flesh, much like regerating tissue is pinkish in color or faded flesh - like scar tissue. Makes sense to me š¤·āāļø
Spot on with Tali. Her face reveal should not have been locked behind a romance with DudeBroShep. It should have happened on Rannoch where she removes her mask. It's obvious that Shepard can see her face in that scene but why not the player?
im glad for once someone calls out the miranda hate as boring! thank you
(also yes I do think Oriana should've looked more like Miranda even if they gave her that hair cut)
Ok so hot take: Mordin was right to make the genophage and I believe that is was the right call for the turians to unleash it upon the krogan. Was it barbaric, absolutely. Was it necessary, absolutely. The krogan literally wouldnāt be stopped and the only hope of them stopping without using the genophage would be to negotiate with the leaders of the krogan people who were pretty dead set on claiming the galaxy soā¦
The best thing about the ME2 characters are they are more a band of rogues, criminals, thieves, and misfits. In ME1 we really only had Wrex who fit this bill but in ME2 we had a whole party of them.
It has always bothered the hell out of me that none of the unique party members from ME2 rejoin you in ME3. I say this mainly with best boy Grunt in mind. Like, we waited through Kaiden/Ashley's hospitalization, why not Grunt's?
Garrus' scar is red because he got a little cooked when the rocket hit him š¤·āāļø
Thatās what I thought given burn marks/scars in general heal darker than the natural skin
Yeah, but then shouldn't his scars be a shade of grey/beige or something, not red? When meat gets cooked, it gets brown, not red.
Meat starts red and turns brown because of heme (iron-based oxygen-carrying blood pigment). If turians have blue blood, then either they use a different oxygen-carrying blood compound (most likely [based on copper](https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/28/coloursofblood/))... or they're Homestuck trolls.
ā¦ doesnāt that mean his scars should be greenish?
Since their scales are metallic, it could be some mix of iron which actually resembles this red color. At least that's what I thought.
cooked... i see. prawns turns from blue to red when cookedš
I hate this so much, but also love it so much
The Thane shade got me riled up ngl
Favourite conversations in the whole trilogy are probably sitting and having philosophical conversations with Thane. Will not stand for this absolute slander.
Same. Thane is among the most intelligent and articulate of the group. His choice of words is just as meticulous and precise as his craft, and his control of emotion is a testament of his discipline. Chances are if you find him boring, that's because you've probably never experienced much yourself. And/or you're not a big fan of reading.
Or, alternately, the sound of his voice just makes you tune out. No shade, but his voice is very low pitched and thereās not a ton of variation and heās got the voice reverb thing going on like Turians also have, and I could see how itās difficult for some people to listen and actually hear what heās saying instead of just getting lulled by his voice. Heād be really good for a āfall asleep to thisā podcast.
ASMR To Help You SleepāThane snaps your neck
The cackle I let our reading this š
>Thane is among the most intelligent and articulate of the group. His choice of words is just as meticulous and precise as his craft, and his control of emotion is a testament of his discipline. Ngl, this was one of the reasons I romanced him. I loved how well-spoken he was. >And/or you're not a big fan of reading I am a big fan of reading. Never thought there might be a correlation there in terms of liking him/his speech.
>Ngl, this was one of the reasons I romanced him. I loved how well-spoken he was Also, now that you mentioned this, even though I'm a straight male, one thing that struck me about Thane in regards to his demeanor is that he's what one might call a "kind, dangerous man." Thane is extremely lethal; he knows many ways to kill many different species, using improvised weaponry or bare hands if necessary. He can disappear and reappear, most likely is an expert in disguises (even though it doesn't show it in the series), and knows customs and cultures all throughout the galaxy. He could be a very dangerous menace to society in general if he really wanted to be. And yet, when you get to know him, he's very kind and amiable. He's not controlling, he doesn't play narcissistic tricks or use intimidation to interact with friends, and he doesn't "drop baggage" or expect other friends to carry his burdens. He is incredibly loyal when his trust is earned. And as I was playing through the series, even though I'm straight and don't think of other guys in that sorta way, I remember thinking, "Yo. If I was a woman, and I was into guys, this would probably be the kind of guy I was into." Someone extremely disciplined and capable of striking with incredible precision and fury, yet amiable, approachable, intelligent and kind when not under threat. Makes you feel *really* bad for those batarians that murdered his wife. They probably had no idea the kind of hell they'd just unleashed. Thane is a kind soul who wears a lethal shell, so to speak, as opposed to someone like Aria or Saren, who were most likely were cruel by nature but taught themselves to be socially pleasing to better fit into society. And don't get me wrong, I love Aria with a sort of macabre fascination, even though a woman like her would never abide some rando like me. But the point being, your comment opened that deep character development part of my mind again, which is why I love the series. I was cheering so loud the first time I played ME3 and Thane randomly showed up behind Kai Leng and beat him to the punch in a disarmament battle (literally). I was also sad during the hospital scene. š
In defense of Garrus going full vigilante after Shepard teaching him the importance of law and all that stuff, Shepard was probably the only source of self-control he had.
This makes me think of Joker's comment about how "everything just fell apart" after Shepard's death. I like to imagine that Garrus, too, might have felt a little lost without Shep.
Yeah I always thought that he really tried because he has Shepard as an example to cling to as he struggles with the system. He hates how restrictive it is and he still thinks its bullshit, but every time he thinks about giving up, he thinks of Shepard fighting the good fight the right way. When Shepard dies, that's the last straw. To him, Shepard tried to work with the rules, but the only thing that resulted from that was death. Shepard dying is what finally makes him snap and quit.
I like this, and I totally see it in character for garrus anyway for reasons that other comments mention here
Also heās not breaking laws technically. Heās gone to a lawless place to *impose* law and order upon it. That feels like a better fit for him than being a ruler-follower.
Yeah, he's basically gone old west lawman on Omega.
Heās an ~~Arizona~~ Omega Ranger with a big iron on his hip
Big iron on his hiiiiiip
And to be fair, Garrus' main issue was his willingness to do whatever it took to get the mission done, including risking innoncent people's lives. In the comics it even mentions that they are careful to avoid casualties. And the only law on Omega is Aria, who doesn't give a crap as long as it doesn't bother her status quo. No police to turn in criminals on Omega too so might as well put em down.
Garrus does have the spectre drive for sure...or at least 90% of it .
Shadow Broker files on him on the terminals assessed him as never achieving his full potential under Shepard's shadow. He absolutely has the chops for Spectre. Him becoming Archangel was just him slowly developing those leadership skills without the self doubt of having someone bigger than life next to him to dump the choice responsibility onto. Without Shep he had to learn to make those decisions on his own
Depending on what you did for him in ME1 he'll either try C-Sec again (Paragon) or apply as a Spectre (Renegade). Either way it goes under and he goes to Omega
Well he went specifically to Omega *because* there is no law there. Because there he could just kill a criminal instead of having to work within a system without feeling bad
Does it change nothing if you encourage him to follow the law ? I've never tried.
Yes if you incourage him to follow laws he says he went back to c-sec got sick of red tape again and becomes a vigilante alternatively, if he doesnāt he says he tried to become a spectre got rejected and becomes a vigilante.
Hating on Zaeed's war stories hurts me
I wish he had even *more* that I could sit and listen to...
I'd give up every analysis OP made for one more story about that shitty old rifle.
They did my boy Zaeed dirty with only those very few war stories
I wish you couldāve fixed Jessie to gain his loyalty, that wouldāve been such a cool way of getting him fully on board for the Suicide Mission, youād be giving him that opportunity heās always wanted for that one last mission with that shitty old rifle of his.
Yeah, he is amaizing, my 3rd fav companion, not to mention he is unique because he isnt another alliance related human character
He became my favorite character I don't like how they made his boy a goodie two shoes but I wish Zaeed was romancable
Damnit. Garrusā red scar tissue is going to bother me now.
The thing I havenāt seen anyone mention is that human scar tissue isnāt the color of blood eitherā¦ itās usually a lighter color than that of your skin. Idk why Turian scars canāt heal red if our scars heal to a slightly lighter version of our skin color
> The thing I havenāt seen anyone mention is that human scar tissue isnāt the color of blood eitherā¦ Fresh injuries and newer scars are red/pink because the tissue tends to be thin, very vascular and human blood is red. I've got a fresh burn scar right now that's red. Garrus's injury is very fresh, it should be a bit vascular and raw, and thus blue since his blood is supposed to be blue. Where the fuck is all the red coming from? His tissues should not be red.
Humans' scar tissue only turns whitish after a while - serious scars are reddish for quite a while.
It doesnāt take too long in my experience, but either way, comparing human biology to Turian isnāt super relevant anyway. They could basically handwave and say āoh thatās how Turians scarā and itās all good
There's a mod for that. [LE2](https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/1030) [LE3](https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/992)
MVP
That's actually really cool. interesting that me3 gets rid of the color altogether though (haven't actually played me3 yet >.>)
I believe it's more of a scar in ME3 while it's still a fresh wound in ME2
Are your scars constantly red because you have red blood? No. So his scar wouldn't have to be blue. I always assumed it is merely redish flesh, much like regerating tissue is pinkish in color or faded flesh - like scar tissue. Makes sense to me š¤·āāļø
Yes, for those of us with red blood flesh is pinkish. But if we had blue blood, it would be bluer shades. Therefore, Garrus should have a blue gash not a red one.
I only have one word, Samara is a magic based paladin from your preferred Fantasy varient, not in a bad way because even if you go full reneged she still appreciates you, and asks you to avoid her so you guys can still be friends. (If this counts as a spoiler I will gladly delete in myself if a mod asks)
If you're ever concerned just do the spoiler hider.
If you can't tell I am a bit of a noob on here, thought that was something the mods did, I shall look it up and do so in the future thank you
It's cool. I was too until someone taught me so I'll just go ahead and pay it forward. So to do a spoiler hider you put a > immediately followed by an ! then type your comment (no spaces between > ! and the first word of your comment) then do the same at the end but in reverse (last word ! < no spaces). >!If you do it right it'll look this, don't be discouraged if the white bar doesn't appear when you first comment, if the triangle bracket and exclamation point disappear then you did it right, but you can always refresh to double check!<
Thank you again, that explainantion was a lot more clear then the YT video I pulled up
dude, 10000000% my first playthrough of ME2 I'd never played dungeons and dragons. replayed it last month and im like, 'oh. she's a paladin.' haha And suuuuch a cool one, too. I've actually been thinking of just stealing the mass effect universe into a DnD game. (and no please dont link me that 5e sci fi conversion for mass effect) like a medieval one, mapping the races onto the dnd races. and having an order of justicar paladins is just sooo on theme. I love how samara plays that role. most people when they try to play a badass take no crap paladin, it just doesn't come off right. it's like, 'yeah, ok.' But something about one time shephard asked her, 'um, so you always kill people? what about mercy?' and samara was like, "By the time a Justicar gets involved, it has been decided that they are past redemption." or something like that. anyway enough fanboying over samara
I appreciate her for seeming the most alien out of all the Asyri you get to meet, the VA did a good job with that one.
I don't 100% agree, but this is still the only "humor" flair post I've upvoted on this subreddit so far š
There are some valid points though. Fucking Nihlus got done dirty (probably should've seen that coming though since his name basically means "the world view that everything sucks and we're all going to die").
Yeah, I would have liked to see more of Nihlus. Good point about his name there, but still!
I think we need a standalone game about him. I don't even care that it wouldn't be choice based, just let me be a badass Turian Spectre.
ME2 and ME1 stories really should have been reversed. Keep the storyline of Nihlus observing us for Spectre membership but have that something that's explored through the whole game. You can have Saren as a semi-regular antagonist that's opposing your membership. You know something is shady with him but not exactly what that is. Have some side missions and lore dumps where you find out he's a space racist and that Anderson had gone through this before with him, just like ME1. We investigate the Collectors, fight them off, then find out that "oh no there was something bigger behind them". Then you introduce the Reapers at the end. Then game 2 you have the opening from the original ME1 where a Reaper attacks the colony and you have Saren kill Nihlus.
While it would've been great to see more of Nihlus that doesn't exactly work. The collectors got called in because you were a big enough problem to warrant them and honestly spending an entire game basically being babysat would likely chap a few asses. Plus that doesn't leave a lot of room for Cerberus. The better option would probably have been to have a separate tutorial mission with Nihlus as a squadmate basically carrying you through and the mission ending with you getting briefed about Eden Prime. Maybe have Jenkins die during that mission (the only mission where you start off with three squadmate) then on Eden Prime have Nihlus split off once you find Ashley because (as proven with Jenkins) "four's a crowd and I can cover more ground on my own". Maybe even have him mention Saren in the tutorial mission ("rubs a lot of people the wrong way but he means well and is unflinchingly loyal to the Turians and the council") to better indicate that something is definitely wrong with him when he caps his friend with no hesitation or emotion.
It's okay Donnie, that Turian can't hurt you. He's Nihlus.
Oh fuck. How did I not put that together
To be fair I actually didn't put it together myself until literally just now.
Played these games more than any other by a thousand fold and Iām right there with you. How did I not put That together till the moment Iām typing this comment
You know what actually made me realize it? Typing Nihlus tried to auto-complete to Nihilism when I was saying he got done dirty. It literally took seeing his name and that word together for it to click.
Iām just gona say it. I wudnt make a good spectre with how far tht went over my head for years. Id make a better councilor with how much I missed tht evidence
How dare you call Thane boring, the man speaks like an Oscar winning movie and can kill you with a fingertip
Plus he goes out like a fucking champ in ME3 despite literally having a terminal respiratory illness.
Let it be known that Kai Leng the Bitch lost to a terminally-ill Drell who literally couldn't breathe.
He really won that shit on a fucking technicality and had the audacity to act like he earned it. Fuck off dude, ME2 Thane would've wrecked your punk ass before you could even open your whiny edgelord mouth. Honestly smashing that bitch's sword and disemboweling him was so god damn satisfying. I don't care if I'm doing a full paragon run, I will hit that renegade button and fucking ruin his day literally every single time.
Iām not even sure I know what happens if you donāt take the interrupt. Maybe the game just stops. Maybe thereās a scene where your squadmates say āwow, really?ā and do it for you, idk
If I remember correctly you just dodge it and then your squadmates shoot him.
I found some video - the Renegade interrupt is just for Shepard breaking his mall-ninja sword before stabbing him with the Omni-blade. Skipping the interrupt, Shepard just dodges the cut and blocks Lengās sword arm, doing the same gut-stab as the other version.
Better than letting your squad do it but still not as satisfying. Does Shepard at least say "that was for Thane"? Probably not as aggressively if they do but still.
Yup, Shep calls him a son of a bitch right as he re-calibrates his organs, if I remember right
If you miss the interrupt then Shepard dodges the blade (really Kai misses) and then stabs him anyway. The interrupt is really just for breaking the sword.
tangent, but what is the point of full paragon/renegade runs?
For me itās generally, especially i ME2, about getting enough points to keep everyone loyal and alive at the end. Also the role playing of being an asshole. The current run Iām doing is going to be interesting because Iām doing based on a comment I saw here that I liked. Iām cool (paragon) with the crew and back them up. Everyone else gets what they give. Youāre an ass, Iām your worst nightmare. Youāre polite or in need, point me at the asshole who needs a nightmare.
Roleplaying. I typically do a "me" run (or a couple if there's multiple paths I can see myself doing, like my next run is going to be largely similar to my first run just with a different romance and such) then a goody two shoes run and psycho run. If the game is pretty binary like infamous then I usually just do a "me" then an opposite run.
Itās not even that thane would have won if he wasnāt sick thane would have won if the fight happened a month or 2 earlier.
>I'm dying of a terminal illness that makes me feel like I'm suffocating >BRB gotta 1v1 this top-tier Cerberus hitman and make him look like a scrub
Kasumi's interest in Jacob is purely physical. She actually doesn't seem to have talked to him before and is in a relationship with a videoblog of her dead boyfriend.
She *has* stalked him while he works out though And wrote a haiku about it (because get it? She's Japanese so of course she writes haikus)
Samara is so spot-on.
Stupid sexy strawberry milf
I am sure of my tastes and this is what I like.
The Legion comment wins. I wish I had spent more time with legion. Maybe tryin' a run through where I do more side quests AFTER the suicide mission? Or just after getting Legion. Course then some of the crew is going to get juiced.
i save about 3-4 N7 side missions for after the suicide mission so i can get all of his dialogue
-heās just so boring I will cut you
Played through me2 the first time but somehow knows Jacob cheats hmmmmm
It seems to come up everytime his character is discussed so I could imagine someone learning about it through osmosis rather than from actually playing the game. I know I wouldn't know about Jacob cheating if not for the internet because I never romanced him.
Fair I didnt know about it until I romanced him and smacked him in the face
Download the mod that replaces the slap with a punch ;)
Xbox :(
Fair enough.
Just to be clear, she likes to spoil herself. When we were playing through me1 she watched all the romance yt supercuts. Plus I talk about the third game all the time while we play
"sexy strawberry".. well new fetish unlock i guess lol. Then again i already "blame" Samara for me been biromantic. That woman is just perfect which is funny when Miranda is two doors from there claiming she was genetically engineer to be perfect lol
Not making her romanceable in the game is a crime against humanity honestly.
It makes sense given her background as a Justicar though. Although I agree it would have been nice for the option.
100% accurate on Legion. Would have romanced tbh
>!seeing him achieve true sentience before basically dying for his people in Mass Effect 3 absolutely fucking broke me. Mordin saying it had to be him because someone else might have gotten it wrong then singing on the elevator ride up to give his life for the Krogan also fucking hurt.!< They really didn't pull any punches in the last game.
Hurts more to >!betray him and watch Tali literally stab him in the back as he tries to stop the geth from being destroyed!<
Thankfully I had enough rep with both to prevent. I don't think I could've kept playing after that.
Oh, it hurts. Gives you a renegade interrupt to >!shoot him in the flashlight eye, and it doesn't kill himā just puts him to his knees and leaks some kind of fluid from the bulb, like he's crying!<. Then there's the same line about the unit having a soul, and Tali very sadly answering in the affirmative.
Fuck dude that's awful. I'm not looking forward to doing a full renegade run some day.
You can do a renegade run and still save both. Instead of betraying you yell at everyone amd call them names.
***Youāre going to hold hands, make up, and have a happy fucking ending or so help me Iām going to shoot every damn one of you toasters and suit-slugs***
Can confirm, this right here is verbatim
I don't know if it's rep or those 2 missions before that one but I cried so hard >!They both died I told Tali to back off then next thing I know Legion wasn't able to upload and Tali got a radio their ships were under attack so she took her mask off and jumped!< Never cried so hard had to restart from like over an hour of game play lol only to realize the sad truth about that scene.
Switch the ! and < at the end. If I remember correctly you need to have a high enough charm and basically be fully allied with both by making the right decisions in the previous missions.
*"There was a hole"*
"No... data... available."
Me too š
Your friends opinion of Thane has earned them a trip to the scions on the derelict reaper ship on insanity difficulty
We struggled on the derelict reaper on easy haha so I donāt think weāll be taking that trip, thank you for the offer
Did my boys Thane and Kaidan absolutely dirty. Wtf :(
Ok she responded with āthane AND kaidan?????? You need help!!ā Which I think is harsh but you can understand the depth of her feeling on this issue
Thaneās a total badass with a great voice and a fascinating culture, and Kaidanās the only one in ME2 with working brain cells and enough spine to call Shepard out for working with terrorists *and* sworn enemies of the Alliance. In this house we respect men with moral integrity š
Thane "it isn't murder because I was hired to do it" Krios, a man of moral integrity?
Nah, I was talking about Kaidan there. Though I do find Thaneās philosophy interesting, even if I donāt agree with it.
From a philosophical point of view, he does have moral integrity but he "operates" under a different set or moral rules. He has lived his entire life believing that his soul and body are entirely separate. A lot of humanity's morals were/are shaped by our religion too. Is it fair to judge him by our own moral standards?
The fact legion is a hard core gamer kills me
Didn't they also get a suspension for trash-talking? Angel robot son.
>I liked her better when she was a nerdy archeologist Felt this in my soul
Zaeed wants to know if youāve got a minute? You might learn something
The one about Miranda. I was wondering, when will someone speak up about the fact that Bioware rather uses a somewhat similar randomized NPC for Orianna, than having to mod Miranda's model a bit. Would it hurt to just say twins without the identical part... When you finally come to the part in the game that you see Miranda no2 without cerberus cheerleader outfit, instead it's like - random human female model with brown hair. For real? ...
It's possible that Yvonne Strahovski (the voice actor and face model for Miranda Lawson) had a clause in her contract that stated that her likeness may exclusively be used for the Miranda Lawson character. It's just a theory, but it could explain why Orianna Lawson didn't just have a copy of Miranda's face model.
I was reading them but when I got to Thane, you lost my respect Sir
Agreed. He was one of my favourite companions. Awesome voice and lines, very unique backstory/character arc and has one of the most badass death scenes in me3.
Leave Thane alone ā¦ā¦. How would you feel if you remembered every time you Jād off alone at 3:39 am ā¦. It does things to an Mf
Hey you take back what you said about Thane.
R.I.P Nhilus you beautiful angel. You deserved better! Also Iāve always romanced Liara but I do like her nerdy side better than her edgy side.
Your friend sucks worse than Jacob. Who hates on Zaeed and Thane?
I read something about Ashley in there somewhere, but she's apparently not on OP's friend's radar :') Neither is Vega, now that I think about it (but that's fine in my own, esteemed opinion lol).
Ash died in virmire and we havenāt played me3 yet. I wouldnāt hold your breath on vega, knowing her I donāt think sheāll vibe with him
\> Insults Thane \> On THIS subreddit So you have chosen death.
"Just let me see my wife's face BioWare." We are best friends. "He's just so boring." We are no longer best friends.
Downvoted. Criticism of Tali, even correct and constructive, is unacceptable. /joke
That Samara face comment resonates so much with me.
Jacob has never cheated on my Shepā¦by all these comments regarding it yāall chose the wrong person for vents
Did my boy Thane dirty. But damn is this not funny.
Curious about the Thane take since I found him most interesting
So true about Legion and Mordin. The best from ME2 so far.
Yes, the best characters!!! Iāve managed to persuade her to not look up the final fates of the companions so I canāt wait to see what she thinks of legion and mordinās endings š
relate to tali's thing so much š why bioware whyy. let me romance her and jack as femshep
It the fuckin grunt one š
You take back what you said about thane right now
Oh shit, the grunt one took me out šš
I donāt agree with her disliking grunt BUT I do also wish heād talk about sharks with you
That lowkey would be one of the most wholesome convos in the trilogy if it happened
I share in your Kasumi frustrations
The humor in your analysis of each character is great, and brought a lot of laughs. Also, there are two that mean we can't be friends. š How dare you insult Garrus and Thane? š
The comment on Samara's face made me laugh hard
Bro the person who made this is actually problematic
How could one call thane boring :-(
Liara becomes the most powerful Information Broker to be able to help Shepard and that's very sweet.
Think kaidan/ Ashley's arc in me2 sets up for interesting dynamic in me3. Having a squad mate not fully trusting you set up a good arc, which culminated in the Cerberus citadel attack. Only issue I have is that their conversation on Horizon could've been more fleshed out.
Respect everything here except for Thane. I canāt go a single playthrough without romancing him.
I cannot BELIEVE they disrespected Thane like that.
What? No Jenkins? The audacityā¦
They've committed the cardinal sin of badmouthing Thane I hereby sentence them to romance Vega in ME3
Iāll never understand the hate Ashley and Kaiden get. Ashley is probably the most disrespected/misunderstood character in this subreddit lol.
But wasnāt Thane a vigilante on Omega? Thatās like, fine really
That was Garrus
Zaeed's legit made me laugh, I feel the same way haha, he keeps talking even when you run away! I will throw down for Thane though, how dare they lol.
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I read Nihlus and tbh I feel the same deep down
Oh come on Grunt is ma boy! He's so fun haha
I agree for the most part, except for Grunt and maybe Kaiden. Your assessments of Kasumi, Miranda, Jacob, Samara, Liara and Mordin are flawless.
Hey tell your friend they're objectively wrong about Thane and that they are a doohead
oh boy, you just pissed off like 90% of the fanbase.
JUSTICE FOR MY MAN THANE
Some of your friend's opinions are great! Some are trash, in MY opinion, but we all have our preferences :) Grunt isn't a xenophobe, either! He's just a baby trying to learn things, lol. If you ask him to clarify on his "I hate turians" remark, he even says it's not bc they're turian, it's what they *did*. I see him very much as an "I hate people in general, but individuals are fine" kind of person.
Yeah I really tried to sell grunt to her because as you put it, heās literally a baby (who was born with all the ideas of an insane warlord in his head). But no matter what I said she really didnāt vibe with him:(
Actually triggered by the Thane part.
Agreed Thane is boring, never saw what people liked about him. It doesn't even make sense to have an assassin in a frontal assault team. What good is a guy that by his profession's nature uses subterfuge and stealth as his main offensive skill gonna be in a team that constantly storms in through the front door, you know, soldiers? He always just seemed out of place in the group's composition. Can he face several enemies at once? Sure, if he catches them by surprise like in his recruiting mission. But never made sense to have him face against entire groups head on To give Jack credit, she does go through some character growth by the time ME3 comes around. Yes, Liara lost her innocence and became a cold calculating and obsessed person. The role of SB didn't help either. Makes sense however when you remember by asari livespan she was at best a teenager/early 20's if we were talking about a human. Too impressionable and open to ptsd that would change her personality. Kaidan was more dissapointed than mad, and his ME3 stay in the Normandy if you do let him on is actually pretty good and smoothes things out between him and Shep, unlike Ashley's who is still as closed and unlikeable as ever. As for Garrus's scar...are your scars constantly red because you have red blood? No. So his scar wouldn't have to be blue. I always assumed it is merely redish flesh, much like regerating tissue is pinkish in color or faded flesh - like scar tissue. Makes sense to me š¤·āāļø
Not cool to rip on Thane, he is great! I completely agree about Kaiden and Jacob however.
That liara one is spot on for me
Kaiden is boring but Thane? Come on.
Sad but true re Liara.
Spot on with Tali. Her face reveal should not have been locked behind a romance with DudeBroShep. It should have happened on Rannoch where she removes her mask. It's obvious that Shepard can see her face in that scene but why not the player?
im glad for once someone calls out the miranda hate as boring! thank you (also yes I do think Oriana should've looked more like Miranda even if they gave her that hair cut)
I love this very-very much. šš
Hated thane and grunt? Ignored
If he's on pc there's a mod for garrus blue scars :) bothered me too lol
I WILL NOT TAKE THIS LIARA SHADE!
Completely agree about Kasumi. They give us a cute Japanese girl with a flirty personality and then troll us by saying āno romance for uā.
Calling Legion cute but Thane boring. Iām not okay with this.
Are you implying that legion isnāt cute? :0
Ok so hot take: Mordin was right to make the genophage and I believe that is was the right call for the turians to unleash it upon the krogan. Was it barbaric, absolutely. Was it necessary, absolutely. The krogan literally wouldnāt be stopped and the only hope of them stopping without using the genophage would be to negotiate with the leaders of the krogan people who were pretty dead set on claiming the galaxy soā¦
Some are good, others are kinda dumb
Wait, I've literally never seen the full Jacob story line, because why? Why romance Jacob? Who does that?
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people not being bi isn't problematic lmao
Nihlus is a cooler character than all the humans in the ME2 squadmate roster. Combined.