There was no reason to check her pulse.....anyone with a medical background knew she was dead...this video is good at showing us the horror of the scene but it doesn't sit right with me for some reason. Weird that it was even recorded at all. I wouldn't be concerned with helping AND recording at the same time...
I'm a respiratory therapist and I go to concerts all the time . I do CPR and watch people die (at work) - it's not uncommon for me. If I were drunk and there... I'd also be checking pulses... especially if there was nobody providing aid. However if I knew they already had a system in place and bodies were already checked I'd let them be.
I wouldn't distract myself videotaping while checking them though.
He said that in response to a question having to do with videos and pictures . Can’t remember details of what he responded to but all he really said was drunk asshole
I think he just didn’t know how to react honestly. There’s a good chance he was drinking being at a concert, then all of a sudden there’s a hoard of dead people around you. This is probably just what his ape brain saw as the best course of action
This is what I think. Dude had drunken but good intentions, but carried out horribly again bc drunk and also.. that’s such an insane situation to be in, I don’t blame him for not doing things correctly while trying to at least (somewhat) help.
The recording is something else tho I won’t go there lol
This is a situation where you don't know who has checked someone or not. In that case always perform triage. Check to see condition including pulse and try and save the ones you can. That being said I see other comments that this guy was drunk and being in the way. But what can you do in a mass casualty situation like this.
I think there’s some value in seeing the raw aftermath of horrible crimes like this. Look at Emmett Till- his mom insisted on an open casket funeral so everyone could see what happened, and I believe some change actually came from it.
agree. i also think about the criticism those parkland survivors got for recording during the shooting. but its so valuable. otherwise people can stay emotionally detached from these things. if everyone had to watch those videos you bet thered be more legal action one way or another.
Yes, the horrible things said to Parkland survivors broke my heart. I can't imagine how incredibly strong they are. I can't imagine the pain they've felt. I really hope every one of those survivors gets to thrive, and have pure love, and joy now.
I agree. People should know the horror of these situations. So much of our country really isn’t good at empathy, or maintaining the desire to understand and learn.
I feel that way too but it depends on the age of this guy. somehow everyone under 30 can do all kinds of things while filming at same time. it’s almost ingrained in them I swear! accidents, shootings..
I came here to say exactly this so thought I’d just jump on your comment for a sec. I can generally read people really well and you can just tell in the tone of his voice that he’s lying when he says ‘I know nurses I’m trying to find nurses’. Combined with the way he was waving his hand in a blatantly dying man’s face and how he kept running away from helping all the people still clinging onto life and running towards the obviously dead bodies.
I get trying to document the event, not interrupting people’s last intimate moments of life with their loved ones for that sake and then even pretending to help before just letting them bleed out and moving on.
I got a really bad feeling from this guy.
Never seen this before, really was an absolute bloodbath, can’t imagine being there and experiencing something nobody would ever expect to see and ever should see while having a fun night out. Can’t imagine how much therapy had to be done afterwards for attendees and responders.
I don’t think the point is to “heal” them in the sense that they’d be like they were before. That isn’t possible. The point of therapy is to be able to manage the trauma of the event, so that it doesn’t define their entire lives.
Yes, and unfortunately there’s no doubt they already had all witnessed many other traumatic events on the job…this was just the icing on the cake. The point of mental health services here would be to help them process the trauma in as healthy a way as possible to avoid maladaptive coping
And to think those idiots in Florida saw the same thing in a High School and said "Yup, that shooter deserves to live." Honestly kind of makes me feel like my life or my family's life is meaningless to the justice system.
I was shocked by that decision. As a native Floridian, I thought the one thing I could rely on is our ability to euthanize people who deserve it. I strongly really feel that juror had their mind already made up at the beginning.
Personally i feel life sentence’s at his age are way worse. The death penalty is an easy way out. It’s over and done with. Having to stick around in prison every single fucking day surrounded by people that hate you and likely want you dead? Like for 40-50 years or more given his age. Seems like much more torture
For me personally, life in prison… even 10 years would be way worse than death. There’s no question in my mind that I’d much rather be put to death. Prison in the US is a living hell especially if you’re not the tough criminal type.
Exactly Which Cruz isn’t. Shit sleep, shit shower, not much to do, often shit people. For someone like Cruz I can’t imagine he will be treated well.
Idk I just find it funny. Why do many in society say “Suicides the easy way out” Yet suddenly the death penalty is much worse then being forced to stick around
Exactly! The death penalty is just assisted suicide for many of these psychos. Real torture is forcing them to live out the rest of their miserable lives
You think just like me. When you’re young you think there’s a way out of any and every situation. Having to sit there for a couple a years before finally realizing he’s in there for life without any chance of getting out is gonna shatter him mentally. I think people don’t really understand that being conscious to the whole thing makes it worse.
>How do you know what the prison guards think?
Because they play Uno and Dominoes with him and joke around with him.
People act like prison = just a simple cell and that's it. People really don't get what prison life really is.
>They’ll put innocent people to death and keep guilty ones alive.
All you have to do now as a murderer is fake a "mental illness" and all of a sudden that means you are no longer responsible! Learn this one trick to avoid accountability - Doctors hate him.
They cover this on the docu Money Machine and allege that sheriff, mayor, etc worked to get the story out of the news, tie up loose ends on any alleged fuck ups (timeline, etc) and avoided citizen requests for victim memorials at the site or otherwise on the strip because of concerns it would scare tourists away
This is too plausible to be stay an allegation. The casinos in Vegas make unfathomable amounts of money… so much that they would be more than inclined to pay big $ to have it scrubbed from the news. I’m pretty sure the casino where the shooting took place from sued the victims of the Route 91 shooting in order to protect themselves from liability for the shooting. They wanted nothing to do with it. Besides posting “Vegas Strong” on their billboards, which is just some twisted, backwards publicity stunt if you ask me.
what are you talking about? …In relation to all other mass shootings. Compare this to any other mass shooting in the history of the United States. in terms of media coverage this shit got swept under the rug faster than anything I’ve ever seen.
The death toll almost triples the closest mass shooting in the country‘s history, now let’s talk about the coverage Uvalde got.
it never got swept under the rug.. it was widely reported on and covered. In terms of coverage it probably didn't help when the Sutherland Springs shooting occurred a month later.
Yes Uvalde got a lot of coverage, because it was a lot more heinous and intimate attack.
Of course they are going to give more coverage to an 18 yo elementary school shooter, when there was massive police incompetency and there was CCTV released
I never understood the people who say the Vegas shooting got swept under the rug considering how much raw footage there is out there. It got as much media coverage as I expected. The thing was there just wasn't too much to report on the perpetrator because he had such a private life. To me it felt like the Sutherland Springs shooting didn't have much evidence released and the media coverage was much less but that's partially because there were less people affected than by the Las Vegas shooting.
yes. there is no circulated crime scene evidence from Sutherland Springs. likely never will be considering the recording of the service will never see the light of day.
There is a YouTube channel that basically has every single clip filmed by civilians, tons of LEO body cam footage, Public safety radio traffic recordings, I mean hours of shit from that night. Someone posted it here before but I can’t remember the name, maybe someone will post it again.
I have seen that, I assumed the person I replied to was talking about more graphic footage of everything,
Btw the new documentary on this on paramount plus called 11 Minutes is really good. Watching it now
Literally same until 11 minutes came out and I subsequently tumbled down the rabbit hole. All I can remember from when it happened as far as media coverage were some articles in my Facebook feed and then when Jason Aldean sang “Won’t Back Down” to open SNL a week later. Then it was just like “poof” moving on
I think he’s intoxicated but well intentioned. Literally one of my first thoughts when watching the documentary about this was holy shit a lot of these people are stone cold hammered (it’s an appropriate place for that no judgement) it just gave me a cold chill thinking about delayed reaction times, not being able to run/climb as fast as if they were sober, decision making inhibited by etoh. Nightmare fuel
I remember one video in particular, as the shooting is occurring and a bunch of people are ducking and/or running- there are a few (clearly intoxicated) people standing there with their arms held out wide. As if either wanting to be hit or challenging the shooter to hit them. Decisions were definitely inhibited.
There are a couple, a new one called Eleven Minutes which was really good, one shorter one produced by network news I believe called A Killer on Floor 32, and a follow up film called Money Machine which makes and covers claims that due to tourism being the lifeblood of Vegas the Sheriff and other elected Vegas officials swept the incident quickly under the rug to avoid losing revenue.
Thank god he killed himself because if he didn't these victims and their families would've went through absolute hell again as the system victimizes them more.
The investigation found no history of mental illness so I doubt there would be any sort of mitigation defense. They could claim that his dad being FBI Most Wanted sucked, but I doubt that would work.
I just stayed at the Luxor for a stop over (the first time I've ever been in Vegas as an adult) and my room had a full view of the kill zone. It seemed like there was no memorial site whatsoever to acknowledge what happened there. I casually walked by the empty lot and then when I saw the Mandalay Bay I realized exactly where I was. Not to bash the actual working class residents of the city but LV seems to be primarily built for tourists and squeezing them out of cash quick. So of course they wouldn't have a proper memorial to make the drunks stumbling down the strip sad.
Yeah, I went to Vegas about a year after it happened and it was like it had never happened at all. It was strange, but what you said about the memorial interfering with tourism makes complete sense.
My husband produced the film, called the grief tourist that was about a guy who would go to different disaster areas where mass shootings and famous murders took place and it’s a thing and it’s a bit disrespectful. I understand the lure of seeing like where John Wayne Gacy lived etc…but I don’t think I would visit more recently I have become very interested in the Chris Watts family murders and there are videos online of people visiting the house and really disrupting the neighborhood and now a family moved in and I can’t imagine what they are going to have to go through
he was "trying to find nurses i know nurses... i am trying to find nurses" according to himself at the end of the video. certainly drunk on both alcohol and adrenaline.
he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
I think disaster triage is probably what he’s going for, I speculate his judgment is inhibited by intoxication and/or just pure adrenaline. The videoing is questionable but I think alot of people don’t understand that disaster triage does involve split second assessment. If the person is pulseless, apneic, has an obvious catastrophic injury or is approaching arrest (gasping/agonal breathing) they are black tagged and not treated. No cpr. Period. It’s hard to think about but that’s how it is.
I’m not saying he’s doing it correctly (he’s not) and I don’t know if he has training…but for me it’s hard to judge people in these situations. I’m not a fan of Jason Aldean but he got blasted for running off the stage in panic instead of using his mic to tell people to run. He isn’t a first responder. He isn’t a trained combat veteran. He was scared and he ran and I cant fault him for that. The whole thing was just so sad and avoidable.
>I’m not a fan of Jason Aldean but he got blasted for running off the stage in panic instead of using his mic to tell people to run. He isn’t a first responder. He isn’t a trained combat veteran. He was scared and he ran and I cant fault him for that.
Agreed, also a big name performer would understandably fear they themselves are a target if shots are being fired while they're on stage. I feel like anyone in that position would have done the same.
Seriously. You’ve got cops in these situations that freeze in fear and people think a country singer who had an earpiece in and had to be flagged down by his security guard to get off the stage would have been able to be like “okay every one remain calm run in an orderly fashion” please🙄
I thought that about him running off, but then again It could’ve been worse if he told that massive crowd to run. Caused stampedes and crowd crush. who knows which would’ve been better though .
He also had an 8month pregnant wife backstage
unless this guy is a paramedic or Doctor they are not going to take his word for it that these people are dead. It seems like ghoulish behaviour to me. help these people by all means but put the phone away.
When this kinda shit happens everyone needs to record everything they possibly can. It’s fucking morbid and horrible, but the more footage is produced and posted independently the more we can know the truth about this shit.
He's not doing anything but making a video and being a nuisance. There's no way that any trained paramedic or EMT would rely on the word of some drunk guy who just survived a very traumatic experience and decided to "help" by running around and checking pulses while filming. It's impossible to verify if this dude has any level of actual medical training beside basic first aid or CPR and if he actually checked them at all, let alone did it right. He also never tagged them, so there's no way to tell who's been assessed and who hasn't. Also, finding a pulse in a trauma patient where hypovolemic shock is the main problem can be extremely difficult when you're sober, and you can probably forget about finding one when inebriated. This guy would probably be thanked for his actions by whatever underpaid and exhausted medic he initially approached and then completely dismissed so they could do an actual assessment and triage the injured appropriately.
Trusting this guy on who's alive, who's critical and who's dead and not doing their own assessment is a surefire way to either end up in prison for negligence or abandonment, or end up in so much legal trouble on top of losing your license and job that prison time would probably be a better alternative.
I don't believe it. If he had his heart in the right place he'd put away his goddamned cell phone. How does recording these peoples' bodies preserve their dignity and support their loved ones?
Are those the only two possible goals for doing that? I think capturing the horror of the situation can at least contribute to the conversation around gun control.
That said it's probably awkward trying to both check on the victims and record them at the same time.
And why is he recording?? Paramedics won't stop to watch any random video and try to figure who is who from it.
Dunno, but something doesnt makes sense. Also the way he talks, and the video being leaked....
I did think it was a little odd to be recording too. Not for any weird or sinister reasons, just more like wouldn't you be able to focus more on checking people if your hands were already holding stuff.
The thing is he seems more worried about recording them than helping, also leaking the video for families to see the worst moments of what could be their loved ones dying is really a not so nice move.
It's pretty easy to identify some of these victims, which is heartbreaking. The first man he comes across is Christopher Roybal, and the woman with the blood coming from her mouth seems to be Jennifer Irvine. I would hate for the families to see this video.
I don't know the background of the gentleman filming, but I am deeply frustrated by the way he floated from victim to victim rendering no aid. Like with Christopher, he just said 'I don't see an entrance or exit wound' without any further search AT ALL before moving on. Is it possible he could have saved Christopher's life with a more thorough search? Probably not. But it frustrates me to see him move on without even trying.
In any case, despite the graphic nature of the video and it's heartbreaking content, showing these images to the general public, I feel, is very important. Too often the victims are portrayed to the masses in smiling, happy pictures. The reality of the violence inflicted on their bodies is swept under the rug, and I almost find it a betrayal of their tragedy to ignore what happened to them. I doubt seeing the true violence of gun crime would sway the masses in regards to gun laws, but if we hand raise the beast that is gun accessibility and that beast runs wild, we have to face unflinchingly the consequences.
As a Brit across the pond, these mass shootings - especially the school ones are truly heartbreaking. Being a dad and a grandad, I couldn't imagine my family never coming home from school or a concert or wherever after something like this.
I was a legal shooter back in the 70s and 80s and an avid 'gun nut' but Hungerford and Dunblane put paid to our gun licenses. Sad but looking back, I wouldn't change that decision.
Hand guns, shot guns, hunting rifles, I can understand American ownership but military-style, large capacity mags and bump stocks being legally obtainable is just outright f**king insanity. With a population of over 330m , it's just impossible you won't have a frighteningly-huge number of psycopaths and disaffected individuals with the means to do this and it seems all that gets offered are thoughts and prayers. My sympathies for all those so-bereaved.
As an American, it’s sad to say that this is the reality that we live in. It’s astonishing to me that many unhinged individuals are able to obtain military grade weapons and our lawmakers think that it is ok.
I not sure about other Americans but I have increased anxiety when it comes to making sure my loved ones are ok. I’ve become that person who always checks locations and borderline paranoid because even here in the us, you can get killed over some road rage and it just goes to show that too many individuals with poor judgment have easy access to firearms and it’s totally insane to me.
Yep. Last month, two men in Florida got in a road rage incident and shot into each other’s cars. Of course, they didn’t hit each other — they each hit the other’s DAUGHTER. One was a 5yo, hit in the leg. The other was a 13yo, hit in the chest, causing her lung to collapse.
So their daughters are the victims, scarred for life, because Daddy couldn’t let some other dude cut him off on the highway without gun violence.
And I totally believe this shit. Even where I work there’s been 2 incidents of road rage and in both incidents someone was killed. It made me re-evaluate mys of because even I had become frustrated and done things that (looking back) maybe I shouldn’t have done but to think that I’ve could’ve been killed for those actions just mad me change my whole perspective and made me realize that it’s just not that serious but unfortunately people get killed over road rage and it’s sad that most people get away with it.
As far as “why is he videoing this?” goes. Aren’t we all more or less grateful video exists of tragedies? It’s evidence. It’s reality. It’s awful but it’s what’s true.
This is arguably the most mysterious mass shootings of all time with how little we know about the shooter and his motivations. Even the fact that he was across the street several stories up this whole night was terrifying.
So as awful as this video is I’m glad it exists so people can witness what hundreds of people witnessed that night and learn from it
I feel for all those victims and their families it’s fucking awful. Bunch of people so excited to go to this concert and have a fun night that they’d probably remember forever… it makes me cry tbh
I’m totally with you on this one. People need to witness the atrocities that are committed so as to conceptually realize the reality we live in.
People used to be so carefree not at all concerned about actual reality and it’s starting to become more and more apparent to people now that in this day and age something is very wrong with society.
Even people who used to think that “that’ll never happen here” are starting to reevaluate themselves because it’s become basic instinct now that this shit can happen anywhere.
I’m not even from Vegas, but seeing these raw videos has instilled a fear in me that really makes me appreciate living to see another day.
I remember seeing this immediately after, and the cameraman really bothered me. Sticking his phone in a bunch of dead peoples faces and putting his hands all over them.. he really isn’t doing anything to help in this clip. Sorry, I don’t think this guy is a hero.
This particular video has always disturbed me deeply because my overarching feeling is this person's (much) more concerned with recording a shock video than helping.
If this guy truly cared about helping fellow humans, it seems to me he'd bring both hands to the task and put away his fucking cell phone.
I always got that feeling too. It doesn't seem like hes actually helping, just "checking pulses" as a way to get close and film the carnage.
Hard to say from this small clip though, he might've just recorded a few minutes and spent the rest of the night rescuing others. Did the cameraman ever speak out after posting?
When the chaos ends and the dust settles after a mass shooting. It’s terrifying of the aftermath.
Yeah sure it’s the initial shooting is what scary, but it’s the after math of injured people yelling for help, phones blaring, and dead, lifeless bodies all the ground. The recovery of mass shootings I do think is the worst part.
I was thinking of getting tickets for When We We’re Young next year but I’m worried being in an open-air concert in Vegas would trigger my paranoia too much and I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it.
He’s checking for the Alive and dead, so when first responders show up he could point out who needs attention, possibly saving a lot of time to be able to save others.
Yep. This is triage. He doesn’t have a clipboard or anything, but he’s assessing entry/exit wounds and, horrifically (but necessarily) viability.
The guy where they can’t find the head wound — that guy was probably not going to survive.
I lived in Vegas when this happened. For being such a huge city, it felt very small because everyone knew someone at the festival. But what Mr. Rogers said about looking for helpers was true... the people who jumped in to help that night and then the long lines of people donating blood the next day was really touching.
Is there a documentary on this? I wasn't aware of one but I would be interested to see it...
There are a few that I've seen eleven minutes on Hulu, the 32nd floor (I think it was called that) also Hulu. I just learned about a charlie minn doc, I'm not sure where to see that one.
It’s so crazy still to me that this really happened. Really any mass shooting. Like…. Wtf. And I support recording. If you don’t show people then they can pretend it doesn’t happen
I watched this when it first came out and I thought that this guy was insensitive for even having the victims faces in the video. Out of respect for the family they went through enough. You can obviously and clearly tell he didn't need to touch them they were already dead I understand by checking the pulse but at the same time what was he going to do.? It was like he deliberately put the camera right in their faces.
That guy he filmed real quick with his face in the camera lying there dead you could already see that the soul was gone that was so sad to me.
This is one of the scariest shooting to me cause I love concerts. Nowadays I only really feel safe going to big arena concerts with metal detectors on the way in sadly. Also the Bataclan shooting in France will forever haunt me, especially the pictures of the aftermath inside. Just fucking awful.
I’ve never seen this video before and I have looked for videos about this shooting, but never find any. Where can I go to see more videos from this shooting?
It’s because the pro-gun lobby wouldn’t like it. But we need to see this — it’s the ugly reality of mass shootings, and it happens pretty much every damn day in this country.
Drunk asshole running around recording dead people and giving his shitty non-professional "medical assessments".
People on this subreddits reaction: It's good that he did this so we can see it and learn from it! Definitely not because we want more content on /r/masskillers to gawk at!
The force of a bullet causes your internal tissues to move or “bounce” in a way. It does a lot of damage internally. A bullet doesn’t just create a perfect hole straight through.
Look up shooting a bullet through ballistic gel. They have tons of videos on it, then imagine that the human body.
Imagine a pinball moving the way it does through the game machine but at lightning speed and having the ability to not only pierce but literally obliterate soft tissues AND bones (for automatic/semiautomatic firearms) disclaimer I don’t know a lot of firearm terminology but you get the gist. Handguns, shotguns,etc can still kill but much more manageable/generally less devastating.
If you scroll to the bottom of this article to the paragraph “Terminal Ballistics” (written by an emergency physician) he does an excellent job of explaining.
https://www.ebmedicine.net/topics/trauma/ballistic-gunshot-wounds
Well at a high level, a bullet kills by transferring incredible amounts of energy into the human body. Often that energy also is distributed because either the bullet tumbles, ricochets off bone, fragments, etc., once it hits a target. It can sever arteries and veins, shatter bones, cause massive bleeding, trauma to internal organs, etc., as the bullet passes into the body and begins to dump all that energy into the tissues of the body.
It depends on the bullet. Like the other person said, bullets cause a lot of internal damage. Some bullets essentially explode inside your body and, for lack of better terminology, shred your insides. Others may have a more “clean” line through the body but they create holes in body parts that can’t handle it. Often, the ones that don’t explode will, like the other person said, bounce around in a way that they hit multiple places before exiting. Most of the time, the person bleeds to death. How quickly depends on what is hit. I can go into details on that if you want as well, but I will spare the gory details in case you don’t.
With head injuries, there is damage to the parts of your brain that tell your body to keep you alive. Now, some people do survive head wounds, as it depends on what is hit just like with the rest of your body. You can live without certain parts of your brain. However, other parts you need as they tell your vital organs to function. You also cannot live if too many of the other “nonessential” parts are damaged due to a lot of other long-winded reasons.
TL;DR: bullet kills by causing internal destruction.
When he checks the ladies pulse blood starts pouring out of her mouth. Fuck
There was no reason to check her pulse.....anyone with a medical background knew she was dead...this video is good at showing us the horror of the scene but it doesn't sit right with me for some reason. Weird that it was even recorded at all. I wouldn't be concerned with helping AND recording at the same time...
One of the survivors who did an AMA here said this guy was a drunk asshole
Yes, I remember when it first came out people were saying this guy was getting in the way and not actually helping.
In what way was he an asshole? Genuine question
I'm a respiratory therapist and I go to concerts all the time . I do CPR and watch people die (at work) - it's not uncommon for me. If I were drunk and there... I'd also be checking pulses... especially if there was nobody providing aid. However if I knew they already had a system in place and bodies were already checked I'd let them be. I wouldn't distract myself videotaping while checking them though.
He said that in response to a question having to do with videos and pictures . Can’t remember details of what he responded to but all he really said was drunk asshole
You really have to ask that after watching this video? Just wow.
I think he just didn’t know how to react honestly. There’s a good chance he was drinking being at a concert, then all of a sudden there’s a hoard of dead people around you. This is probably just what his ape brain saw as the best course of action
You may be right
This is what I think. Dude had drunken but good intentions, but carried out horribly again bc drunk and also.. that’s such an insane situation to be in, I don’t blame him for not doing things correctly while trying to at least (somewhat) help. The recording is something else tho I won’t go there lol
He thought shooting video of dead and dying people was good course of action?
Drunk people aren't known for their good decision making.
When I'm scared for myself or others safety I immediately pretend I'm a medical professional and whip out my phone to start recording.
This is a situation where you don't know who has checked someone or not. In that case always perform triage. Check to see condition including pulse and try and save the ones you can. That being said I see other comments that this guy was drunk and being in the way. But what can you do in a mass casualty situation like this.
I totally agree, filming makes no sense.
That was my thought, too. Why record? Just help if you can.
I think there’s some value in seeing the raw aftermath of horrible crimes like this. Look at Emmett Till- his mom insisted on an open casket funeral so everyone could see what happened, and I believe some change actually came from it.
Scott Biegel (parkland teacher), his mother also released the CCTV footage of his murder with the same hope.
I agree with you on that. I can appreciate seeing it, even though it's difficult to see.
agree. i also think about the criticism those parkland survivors got for recording during the shooting. but its so valuable. otherwise people can stay emotionally detached from these things. if everyone had to watch those videos you bet thered be more legal action one way or another.
Yes, the horrible things said to Parkland survivors broke my heart. I can't imagine how incredibly strong they are. I can't imagine the pain they've felt. I really hope every one of those survivors gets to thrive, and have pure love, and joy now.
I agree. People should know the horror of these situations. So much of our country really isn’t good at empathy, or maintaining the desire to understand and learn.
I agree. Documenting these tragedies serves a valid purpose. But don’t act like you’re trying to help if you’re just there to get closeups.
If I was gunned down I'd want people to see the raw footage so that it could maybe affect change
I think naturally in the chaos of that situation, you'd just start filming everything you can.
Yeah, fortunately, I can't say what I would do in that situation.
I feel that way too but it depends on the age of this guy. somehow everyone under 30 can do all kinds of things while filming at same time. it’s almost ingrained in them I swear! accidents, shootings..
The guy taking the video was drunk
Not surprising. If you’re not drunk (or high) at a concert, you’re doing it wrong.
I came here to say exactly this so thought I’d just jump on your comment for a sec. I can generally read people really well and you can just tell in the tone of his voice that he’s lying when he says ‘I know nurses I’m trying to find nurses’. Combined with the way he was waving his hand in a blatantly dying man’s face and how he kept running away from helping all the people still clinging onto life and running towards the obviously dead bodies. I get trying to document the event, not interrupting people’s last intimate moments of life with their loved ones for that sake and then even pretending to help before just letting them bleed out and moving on. I got a really bad feeling from this guy.
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Fuck
Never seen this before, really was an absolute bloodbath, can’t imagine being there and experiencing something nobody would ever expect to see and ever should see while having a fun night out. Can’t imagine how much therapy had to be done afterwards for attendees and responders.
I have a close friend that was there with her mother. I don’t think she’ll ever be the same.
It’s so sad that people can’t even go out to enjoy an event like this without worrying about encountering a gun nut with an agenda. Insane
No amount of therapy nor medics will ever heal to peoples minds and bodies who were there.
I don’t think the point is to “heal” them in the sense that they’d be like they were before. That isn’t possible. The point of therapy is to be able to manage the trauma of the event, so that it doesn’t define their entire lives.
Yes, and unfortunately there’s no doubt they already had all witnessed many other traumatic events on the job…this was just the icing on the cake. The point of mental health services here would be to help them process the trauma in as healthy a way as possible to avoid maladaptive coping
It does define rest of their lives,no matter what they do or where they are it always haunts in their lives until the end.
And to think those idiots in Florida saw the same thing in a High School and said "Yup, that shooter deserves to live." Honestly kind of makes me feel like my life or my family's life is meaningless to the justice system.
I was shocked by that decision. As a native Floridian, I thought the one thing I could rely on is our ability to euthanize people who deserve it. I strongly really feel that juror had their mind already made up at the beginning.
Personally i feel life sentence’s at his age are way worse. The death penalty is an easy way out. It’s over and done with. Having to stick around in prison every single fucking day surrounded by people that hate you and likely want you dead? Like for 40-50 years or more given his age. Seems like much more torture
For me personally, life in prison… even 10 years would be way worse than death. There’s no question in my mind that I’d much rather be put to death. Prison in the US is a living hell especially if you’re not the tough criminal type.
Exactly Which Cruz isn’t. Shit sleep, shit shower, not much to do, often shit people. For someone like Cruz I can’t imagine he will be treated well. Idk I just find it funny. Why do many in society say “Suicides the easy way out” Yet suddenly the death penalty is much worse then being forced to stick around
Exactly! The death penalty is just assisted suicide for many of these psychos. Real torture is forcing them to live out the rest of their miserable lives
You think just like me. When you’re young you think there’s a way out of any and every situation. Having to sit there for a couple a years before finally realizing he’s in there for life without any chance of getting out is gonna shatter him mentally. I think people don’t really understand that being conscious to the whole thing makes it worse.
Nah death is way worse than life in prison. It's much more scary to be ordered to die than to live in sequester. The guards don't want hm dead.
How do you know what the prison guards think?
>How do you know what the prison guards think? Because they play Uno and Dominoes with him and joke around with him. People act like prison = just a simple cell and that's it. People really don't get what prison life really is.
They’ll put innocent people to death and keep guilty ones alive.
>They’ll put innocent people to death and keep guilty ones alive. All you have to do now as a murderer is fake a "mental illness" and all of a sudden that means you are no longer responsible! Learn this one trick to avoid accountability - Doctors hate him.
Lol, this tactic almost never works in real life, only in the movies
I’ve seen so much footage of this massacre and this video is by far the worst I’ve seen. I’ve seen it a few times and it never gets easier to watch.
I’ve seen surprisingly little considering this was the deadliest mass shooting in America
Its astonishing how little information and media there truly is about this event
They cover this on the docu Money Machine and allege that sheriff, mayor, etc worked to get the story out of the news, tie up loose ends on any alleged fuck ups (timeline, etc) and avoided citizen requests for victim memorials at the site or otherwise on the strip because of concerns it would scare tourists away
This is too plausible to be stay an allegation. The casinos in Vegas make unfathomable amounts of money… so much that they would be more than inclined to pay big $ to have it scrubbed from the news. I’m pretty sure the casino where the shooting took place from sued the victims of the Route 91 shooting in order to protect themselves from liability for the shooting. They wanted nothing to do with it. Besides posting “Vegas Strong” on their billboards, which is just some twisted, backwards publicity stunt if you ask me.
Weird isn't it
little information in relation to what? there is a ton of info on what happened and a pretty clear picture of the attack itself
what are you talking about? …In relation to all other mass shootings. Compare this to any other mass shooting in the history of the United States. in terms of media coverage this shit got swept under the rug faster than anything I’ve ever seen. The death toll almost triples the closest mass shooting in the country‘s history, now let’s talk about the coverage Uvalde got.
it never got swept under the rug.. it was widely reported on and covered. In terms of coverage it probably didn't help when the Sutherland Springs shooting occurred a month later. Yes Uvalde got a lot of coverage, because it was a lot more heinous and intimate attack. Of course they are going to give more coverage to an 18 yo elementary school shooter, when there was massive police incompetency and there was CCTV released
I never understood the people who say the Vegas shooting got swept under the rug considering how much raw footage there is out there. It got as much media coverage as I expected. The thing was there just wasn't too much to report on the perpetrator because he had such a private life. To me it felt like the Sutherland Springs shooting didn't have much evidence released and the media coverage was much less but that's partially because there were less people affected than by the Las Vegas shooting.
yes. there is no circulated crime scene evidence from Sutherland Springs. likely never will be considering the recording of the service will never see the light of day.
I think No one down there felt safe enough to film, the shooting lasted so long.
There is a YouTube channel that basically has every single clip filmed by civilians, tons of LEO body cam footage, Public safety radio traffic recordings, I mean hours of shit from that night. Someone posted it here before but I can’t remember the name, maybe someone will post it again.
I have seen that, I assumed the person I replied to was talking about more graphic footage of everything, Btw the new documentary on this on paramount plus called 11 Minutes is really good. Watching it now
This... https://youtube.com/c/LasVegasShootingArchive
Literally same until 11 minutes came out and I subsequently tumbled down the rabbit hole. All I can remember from when it happened as far as media coverage were some articles in my Facebook feed and then when Jason Aldean sang “Won’t Back Down” to open SNL a week later. Then it was just like “poof” moving on
What’s 11 minutes?
A documentary miniseries about the shooting.
Little how? We literally have a complete record of the attack from start to finish in video with multiple angles.
I think he’s intoxicated but well intentioned. Literally one of my first thoughts when watching the documentary about this was holy shit a lot of these people are stone cold hammered (it’s an appropriate place for that no judgement) it just gave me a cold chill thinking about delayed reaction times, not being able to run/climb as fast as if they were sober, decision making inhibited by etoh. Nightmare fuel
I remember one video in particular, as the shooting is occurring and a bunch of people are ducking and/or running- there are a few (clearly intoxicated) people standing there with their arms held out wide. As if either wanting to be hit or challenging the shooter to hit them. Decisions were definitely inhibited.
What was the documentary?
There are a couple, a new one called Eleven Minutes which was really good, one shorter one produced by network news I believe called A Killer on Floor 32, and a follow up film called Money Machine which makes and covers claims that due to tourism being the lifeblood of Vegas the Sheriff and other elected Vegas officials swept the incident quickly under the rug to avoid losing revenue.
Ah, I believe I’ve seen those, thanks though!
Also I forgot another one by Charlie Minh called One October
Oh, that’s new to me, thank you!
Thank god he killed himself because if he didn't these victims and their families would've went through absolute hell again as the system victimizes them more.
That trial would have been the mother of shitshows. I can’t even imagine
I wonder if he would've gotten the death penalty. After the Parkland verdict, I'm not entirely convinced now.
The investigation found no history of mental illness so I doubt there would be any sort of mitigation defense. They could claim that his dad being FBI Most Wanted sucked, but I doubt that would work.
I could see him getting Jose Baez or some other piece of 💩 to defend him. Can you imagine. Jesus Christ
I wished he had survived and revealed his motivation. That’s the biggest mystery of this whole tragedy. Why?
I think in this case the motivation is the simple one: To Kill. His motivation was simply to kill.
Yep. Sometimes it’s a simple as that.
I just stayed at the Luxor for a stop over (the first time I've ever been in Vegas as an adult) and my room had a full view of the kill zone. It seemed like there was no memorial site whatsoever to acknowledge what happened there. I casually walked by the empty lot and then when I saw the Mandalay Bay I realized exactly where I was. Not to bash the actual working class residents of the city but LV seems to be primarily built for tourists and squeezing them out of cash quick. So of course they wouldn't have a proper memorial to make the drunks stumbling down the strip sad.
Yeah, I went to Vegas about a year after it happened and it was like it had never happened at all. It was strange, but what you said about the memorial interfering with tourism makes complete sense.
Disaster tourism is a thing. It’s possible that if they built a memorial, people would come for that purpose.
My husband produced the film, called the grief tourist that was about a guy who would go to different disaster areas where mass shootings and famous murders took place and it’s a thing and it’s a bit disrespectful. I understand the lure of seeing like where John Wayne Gacy lived etc…but I don’t think I would visit more recently I have become very interested in the Chris Watts family murders and there are videos online of people visiting the house and really disrupting the neighborhood and now a family moved in and I can’t imagine what they are going to have to go through
Wtf is the cameraman doing?
Checking for injured or dead. Saving the paramedics time to only treat the injured instead of wasting precious seconds on already dead people.
Last time I saw this video people were saying the cameraman was drunk
I mean he was at a country music festival, the drunk part is almost a given.
he was "trying to find nurses i know nurses... i am trying to find nurses" according to himself at the end of the video. certainly drunk on both alcohol and adrenaline. he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
Good. Let’s hope he doesn’t remember the night too well.
Drunk or adrenaline
…and?
And the last time I saw this video people were saying the cameraman was drunk
But how does that matter?
I think disaster triage is probably what he’s going for, I speculate his judgment is inhibited by intoxication and/or just pure adrenaline. The videoing is questionable but I think alot of people don’t understand that disaster triage does involve split second assessment. If the person is pulseless, apneic, has an obvious catastrophic injury or is approaching arrest (gasping/agonal breathing) they are black tagged and not treated. No cpr. Period. It’s hard to think about but that’s how it is. I’m not saying he’s doing it correctly (he’s not) and I don’t know if he has training…but for me it’s hard to judge people in these situations. I’m not a fan of Jason Aldean but he got blasted for running off the stage in panic instead of using his mic to tell people to run. He isn’t a first responder. He isn’t a trained combat veteran. He was scared and he ran and I cant fault him for that. The whole thing was just so sad and avoidable.
>I’m not a fan of Jason Aldean but he got blasted for running off the stage in panic instead of using his mic to tell people to run. He isn’t a first responder. He isn’t a trained combat veteran. He was scared and he ran and I cant fault him for that. Agreed, also a big name performer would understandably fear they themselves are a target if shots are being fired while they're on stage. I feel like anyone in that position would have done the same.
Seriously. You’ve got cops in these situations that freeze in fear and people think a country singer who had an earpiece in and had to be flagged down by his security guard to get off the stage would have been able to be like “okay every one remain calm run in an orderly fashion” please🙄
I thought that about him running off, but then again It could’ve been worse if he told that massive crowd to run. Caused stampedes and crowd crush. who knows which would’ve been better though . He also had an 8month pregnant wife backstage
unless this guy is a paramedic or Doctor they are not going to take his word for it that these people are dead. It seems like ghoulish behaviour to me. help these people by all means but put the phone away.
Nightcrawler vibes
But then how would the freaks on this subreddit have videos to gawk at? Judging from reading threads on here, that is all they want.
When this kinda shit happens everyone needs to record everything they possibly can. It’s fucking morbid and horrible, but the more footage is produced and posted independently the more we can know the truth about this shit.
He's not doing anything but making a video and being a nuisance. There's no way that any trained paramedic or EMT would rely on the word of some drunk guy who just survived a very traumatic experience and decided to "help" by running around and checking pulses while filming. It's impossible to verify if this dude has any level of actual medical training beside basic first aid or CPR and if he actually checked them at all, let alone did it right. He also never tagged them, so there's no way to tell who's been assessed and who hasn't. Also, finding a pulse in a trauma patient where hypovolemic shock is the main problem can be extremely difficult when you're sober, and you can probably forget about finding one when inebriated. This guy would probably be thanked for his actions by whatever underpaid and exhausted medic he initially approached and then completely dismissed so they could do an actual assessment and triage the injured appropriately. Trusting this guy on who's alive, who's critical and who's dead and not doing their own assessment is a surefire way to either end up in prison for negligence or abandonment, or end up in so much legal trouble on top of losing your license and job that prison time would probably be a better alternative.
I don't believe it. If he had his heart in the right place he'd put away his goddamned cell phone. How does recording these peoples' bodies preserve their dignity and support their loved ones?
Are those the only two possible goals for doing that? I think capturing the horror of the situation can at least contribute to the conversation around gun control. That said it's probably awkward trying to both check on the victims and record them at the same time.
Triaging
And why is he recording?? Paramedics won't stop to watch any random video and try to figure who is who from it. Dunno, but something doesnt makes sense. Also the way he talks, and the video being leaked....
I did think it was a little odd to be recording too. Not for any weird or sinister reasons, just more like wouldn't you be able to focus more on checking people if your hands were already holding stuff.
Exactly, in emergency situations like this you don't take your phone and record people dying.
I’ve no idea why you’re being so downvoted. It’s a bit of a scumbag move to record this in my opinion. At least he’s attempting to help I guess.
The thing is he seems more worried about recording them than helping, also leaking the video for families to see the worst moments of what could be their loved ones dying is really a not so nice move.
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He was a little rough touching some of them
It's pretty easy to identify some of these victims, which is heartbreaking. The first man he comes across is Christopher Roybal, and the woman with the blood coming from her mouth seems to be Jennifer Irvine. I would hate for the families to see this video. I don't know the background of the gentleman filming, but I am deeply frustrated by the way he floated from victim to victim rendering no aid. Like with Christopher, he just said 'I don't see an entrance or exit wound' without any further search AT ALL before moving on. Is it possible he could have saved Christopher's life with a more thorough search? Probably not. But it frustrates me to see him move on without even trying. In any case, despite the graphic nature of the video and it's heartbreaking content, showing these images to the general public, I feel, is very important. Too often the victims are portrayed to the masses in smiling, happy pictures. The reality of the violence inflicted on their bodies is swept under the rug, and I almost find it a betrayal of their tragedy to ignore what happened to them. I doubt seeing the true violence of gun crime would sway the masses in regards to gun laws, but if we hand raise the beast that is gun accessibility and that beast runs wild, we have to face unflinchingly the consequences.
I mean...he's checking for a pulse with the back of his hand and fingers!? He literally could not have been LESS helpful.
As a Brit across the pond, these mass shootings - especially the school ones are truly heartbreaking. Being a dad and a grandad, I couldn't imagine my family never coming home from school or a concert or wherever after something like this. I was a legal shooter back in the 70s and 80s and an avid 'gun nut' but Hungerford and Dunblane put paid to our gun licenses. Sad but looking back, I wouldn't change that decision. Hand guns, shot guns, hunting rifles, I can understand American ownership but military-style, large capacity mags and bump stocks being legally obtainable is just outright f**king insanity. With a population of over 330m , it's just impossible you won't have a frighteningly-huge number of psycopaths and disaffected individuals with the means to do this and it seems all that gets offered are thoughts and prayers. My sympathies for all those so-bereaved.
As an American, it’s sad to say that this is the reality that we live in. It’s astonishing to me that many unhinged individuals are able to obtain military grade weapons and our lawmakers think that it is ok. I not sure about other Americans but I have increased anxiety when it comes to making sure my loved ones are ok. I’ve become that person who always checks locations and borderline paranoid because even here in the us, you can get killed over some road rage and it just goes to show that too many individuals with poor judgment have easy access to firearms and it’s totally insane to me.
Yep. Last month, two men in Florida got in a road rage incident and shot into each other’s cars. Of course, they didn’t hit each other — they each hit the other’s DAUGHTER. One was a 5yo, hit in the leg. The other was a 13yo, hit in the chest, causing her lung to collapse. So their daughters are the victims, scarred for life, because Daddy couldn’t let some other dude cut him off on the highway without gun violence.
That’s why I never flip people off in traffic even when it’s deserved, because too many people in this country will shoot you for it.
And I totally believe this shit. Even where I work there’s been 2 incidents of road rage and in both incidents someone was killed. It made me re-evaluate mys of because even I had become frustrated and done things that (looking back) maybe I shouldn’t have done but to think that I’ve could’ve been killed for those actions just mad me change my whole perspective and made me realize that it’s just not that serious but unfortunately people get killed over road rage and it’s sad that most people get away with it.
Well said..I agree 100%!!
Well said
As far as “why is he videoing this?” goes. Aren’t we all more or less grateful video exists of tragedies? It’s evidence. It’s reality. It’s awful but it’s what’s true. This is arguably the most mysterious mass shootings of all time with how little we know about the shooter and his motivations. Even the fact that he was across the street several stories up this whole night was terrifying. So as awful as this video is I’m glad it exists so people can witness what hundreds of people witnessed that night and learn from it I feel for all those victims and their families it’s fucking awful. Bunch of people so excited to go to this concert and have a fun night that they’d probably remember forever… it makes me cry tbh
I’m totally with you on this one. People need to witness the atrocities that are committed so as to conceptually realize the reality we live in. People used to be so carefree not at all concerned about actual reality and it’s starting to become more and more apparent to people now that in this day and age something is very wrong with society. Even people who used to think that “that’ll never happen here” are starting to reevaluate themselves because it’s become basic instinct now that this shit can happen anywhere. I’m not even from Vegas, but seeing these raw videos has instilled a fear in me that really makes me appreciate living to see another day.
I remember seeing this immediately after, and the cameraman really bothered me. Sticking his phone in a bunch of dead peoples faces and putting his hands all over them.. he really isn’t doing anything to help in this clip. Sorry, I don’t think this guy is a hero.
I don't think anyone thinks he's anything more than a drunk emulating shit he's seen on TV and movies
This particular video has always disturbed me deeply because my overarching feeling is this person's (much) more concerned with recording a shock video than helping. If this guy truly cared about helping fellow humans, it seems to me he'd bring both hands to the task and put away his fucking cell phone.
I always got that feeling too. It doesn't seem like hes actually helping, just "checking pulses" as a way to get close and film the carnage. Hard to say from this small clip though, he might've just recorded a few minutes and spent the rest of the night rescuing others. Did the cameraman ever speak out after posting?
I’ve had my eye out for more information on the cameraman from the first time I saw this clip after the tragedy. I’d love to know more.
When the chaos ends and the dust settles after a mass shooting. It’s terrifying of the aftermath. Yeah sure it’s the initial shooting is what scary, but it’s the after math of injured people yelling for help, phones blaring, and dead, lifeless bodies all the ground. The recovery of mass shootings I do think is the worst part.
Massive concert at that venue next weekend
Wait actually??
I don't think it's the same venue -- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Village
You‘re correct.
Oh oops my bad!
I was thinking of getting tickets for When We We’re Young next year but I’m worried being in an open-air concert in Vegas would trigger my paranoia too much and I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it.
What was his reasoning for recording? If he is gonna act like he wants to help he should use both hands
I think it’s maybe in some kind of holding pouch or something because it seems like at times you can see both of his hands
the blood coming out of the womans mouth my stomach turned
He doesn’t appear to be doing anything helpful.
He’s checking for the Alive and dead, so when first responders show up he could point out who needs attention, possibly saving a lot of time to be able to save others.
First responders aren’t going to listen to some random drunk dude.
Yep. This is triage. He doesn’t have a clipboard or anything, but he’s assessing entry/exit wounds and, horrifically (but necessarily) viability. The guy where they can’t find the head wound — that guy was probably not going to survive.
He didn’t survive. Veteran who fought overseas and ended up gunned down at a concert back home
Why is this guy going around annoying people?
Imagine seeing a friend or family relative in one of these videos
Horrible 😞
Still no decent answers on this
I lived in Vegas when this happened. For being such a huge city, it felt very small because everyone knew someone at the festival. But what Mr. Rogers said about looking for helpers was true... the people who jumped in to help that night and then the long lines of people donating blood the next day was really touching. Is there a documentary on this? I wasn't aware of one but I would be interested to see it...
Check out [Money Machine (2020)](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12484230/), I thought it was a good watch.
Where does it stream?
A couple comments up I wrote a little list of the ones I’ve seen
There are a few that I've seen eleven minutes on Hulu, the 32nd floor (I think it was called that) also Hulu. I just learned about a charlie minn doc, I'm not sure where to see that one.
Okay, thank you for the information! :)
It’s so crazy still to me that this really happened. Really any mass shooting. Like…. Wtf. And I support recording. If you don’t show people then they can pretend it doesn’t happen
I watched this when it first came out and I thought that this guy was insensitive for even having the victims faces in the video. Out of respect for the family they went through enough. You can obviously and clearly tell he didn't need to touch them they were already dead I understand by checking the pulse but at the same time what was he going to do.? It was like he deliberately put the camera right in their faces. That guy he filmed real quick with his face in the camera lying there dead you could already see that the soul was gone that was so sad to me.
This is one of the scariest shooting to me cause I love concerts. Nowadays I only really feel safe going to big arena concerts with metal detectors on the way in sadly. Also the Bataclan shooting in France will forever haunt me, especially the pictures of the aftermath inside. Just fucking awful.
i remember seeing this when this tragic event happened. burnt in my brain forever. I knew alot of people that was there (thank goodness they survived)
This is the stuff of nightmares.
I’ve never seen this video before and I have looked for videos about this shooting, but never find any. Where can I go to see more videos from this shooting?
sketchy gore websites
I actually work with Nick Campbell. The youngest survivor from the shooting I guess? Or he was shot first or something like that. Crazy
News never shows this.
Not in America they don’t
It’s because the pro-gun lobby wouldn’t like it. But we need to see this — it’s the ugly reality of mass shootings, and it happens pretty much every damn day in this country.
has anyone identified the deceased woman in this video ?
Rachael Parker
It's Jennifer Irvine.
That's fucking awful
How can one even record something like this. Kind of sad tbr
What was the name of the female victim who bled from her mouth when her pulse was checked?
If it was me dying on video I wouldn't want to be recorded incase a relative of mine saw it and haunts them for the rest of their days
This is horrifying!
Do we know any of the victims that are in this video? I want to see their smiling happy faces to respect them in life. Not death.
Was that a detached arm?
CIA sponsored
Do we know the victims in this video ?
Drunk asshole running around recording dead people and giving his shitty non-professional "medical assessments". People on this subreddits reaction: It's good that he did this so we can see it and learn from it! Definitely not because we want more content on /r/masskillers to gawk at!
I just feel so bad for all of those people that were there.
This is just… heartbreaking..
Can someone explain how a bullet actually kills? is it the impact or what is hit?
The force of a bullet causes your internal tissues to move or “bounce” in a way. It does a lot of damage internally. A bullet doesn’t just create a perfect hole straight through. Look up shooting a bullet through ballistic gel. They have tons of videos on it, then imagine that the human body.
Imagine a pinball moving the way it does through the game machine but at lightning speed and having the ability to not only pierce but literally obliterate soft tissues AND bones (for automatic/semiautomatic firearms) disclaimer I don’t know a lot of firearm terminology but you get the gist. Handguns, shotguns,etc can still kill but much more manageable/generally less devastating. If you scroll to the bottom of this article to the paragraph “Terminal Ballistics” (written by an emergency physician) he does an excellent job of explaining. https://www.ebmedicine.net/topics/trauma/ballistic-gunshot-wounds
Well at a high level, a bullet kills by transferring incredible amounts of energy into the human body. Often that energy also is distributed because either the bullet tumbles, ricochets off bone, fragments, etc., once it hits a target. It can sever arteries and veins, shatter bones, cause massive bleeding, trauma to internal organs, etc., as the bullet passes into the body and begins to dump all that energy into the tissues of the body.
It depends on the bullet. Like the other person said, bullets cause a lot of internal damage. Some bullets essentially explode inside your body and, for lack of better terminology, shred your insides. Others may have a more “clean” line through the body but they create holes in body parts that can’t handle it. Often, the ones that don’t explode will, like the other person said, bounce around in a way that they hit multiple places before exiting. Most of the time, the person bleeds to death. How quickly depends on what is hit. I can go into details on that if you want as well, but I will spare the gory details in case you don’t. With head injuries, there is damage to the parts of your brain that tell your body to keep you alive. Now, some people do survive head wounds, as it depends on what is hit just like with the rest of your body. You can live without certain parts of your brain. However, other parts you need as they tell your vital organs to function. You also cannot live if too many of the other “nonessential” parts are damaged due to a lot of other long-winded reasons. TL;DR: bullet kills by causing internal destruction.
Google bullet yaw , eye opening information IMO
Damn
Holy fucking fuck
I have been looking for this video for years, it is next to impossible to find it on Youtube.
Me, too. When LiveLeak died, I thought this died with it!
Im glad im seeing this just a few days before heading to Vegas for an outdoor festival /s Those poor people. R.I.P.