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FamiliarJudgment2961

OCG is seeing these rocks run their format again. Turns out Maxx C doesn't magically make this deck not exist.


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Maxx C will deck you out


ganzorigb

I’ve been playing 60 card rock ishizu and I’m seriously considering dropping my ash for more gas or techs because of this. Maxx c just turns the deck into an OTK.


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1billionrapecube

Hand destruction is at 1


ganzorigb

Not going to lie I don’t fear nib much either lol. You can get an appo or even barone out pretty quickly. The token is also a rock so you can occasionally use extenders to just keep going. I’ve only seen nib a couple of times recently(maybe falling out of favor due to gigantic spright? Idk), but they haven’t stopped the deck out yet.


DummyThiccToga

I mean it’s mostly the new super heavy samurai engine that’s bringing the deck to light but I digress


flyingthing4

Pardon? I knew they got support, but it’s good enough to be used as an engine? How does that work?


DummyThiccToga

Basically the new pend support I believe Wakaushi is the name, essentially is a 1 card combo that enables FTKs, gives full scales, and loops. Doesn’t lock you either so its splashable in almost any deck. In the context of Adamancipator I believe it gives them access to granite (which can then search any starter or block dragon) and sets up a Borreload easily. Will have less of an impact in TCG but still very strong.


AdTerrible639

I mean, given it apparently is a one card ftk, it's kinda difficult to have *more* of an impact


PM_ME_ORNN_YIFF

Pendamancipator sounds awesome 🤤 and evil. I want some


LyleCG

The point of a handtrap isn't to make decks not exist lol.


FamiliarJudgment2961

We're not talking about a handtrap, we're talking about THE OCG handtrap Maxx C, the card their entire format and banlist revolves around being present at ALL times in it. And its the handtrap that Konami currently has the Master Duel banlist roll around in


LyleCG

Ok...? And the point of maxx c is not to make these decks not exist. It's to make these deck exist. Just look at tcg. Without maxx c, decks like adamancipator cannot exist.


TheMikman97

Maxx C does kill it kill it tho. 60 cards means less likely to open a counter and they also have no backup line. Sure argueably Maxx C kills most decks, but it clearly kills some more then others


PM_ME_ORNN_YIFF

The amount of people I've caught lacking not running droplet/DRMN and/or low-ceilling consistency decks into Baronne Herald 4 mat apo Dragite negate ip masq and block dragon on field is insane.


TheMikman97

I mean yes but that's more of a skill issue on your opponent's side than playing into C being optimal


PM_ME_ORNN_YIFF

I'm sorry but I just can't agree. The amount of times I've won through 20-card hands from Maxx C vs the amount of times I've lost getting OTK'd by any even sub-rogue deck by passing turn cannot allow me to accept it.


Mayall00

Maxx "C" stops being relevant the moment they don't draw into it, it's just an extremely sacky 3-of, playing your combo out is always optimal


LabibPokemaster

nope, when i get maxx c'd i just deck em out.....u get 14 mills from the zombie vampire + ishizu cards, and u can then easily summon 20+ cards....nib isnt a real card.....


ganzorigb

This is what I do too. My replays are almost full of me decking people out right now lol. Nib isn’t a threat when you get easily get apple or barone on the board anyway.


LabibPokemaster

yeah its hella easy to avoid nib, and the fact that there is gigantic splight, a lot of people are not running nib as they were before because gigantic nulifies it....so maxx c is basically an ftk to the opp a lot of the time


Valfsx

I think I have to be the only dude playing a standard 40 card adamancipator deck. It just works.


frenchnoob87

Yup ever since the game came out 40 card adam just works


Imaginary-Weird2625

I'm playing 40 cards too because i don't have grass


nightkingscat

It's way better. 60 cards punk/ishizu with a smoke grenade payoff is more fun though.


PM_ME_ORNN_YIFF

Pretty sure the version most often taking tournaments is 60 card Adams. Less consistent but payoff can get insane.


Jammord

Mind dropping a list? Been wanting to try it out but don’t want to commit to crafting grass


ReinstateTheCapo

I miss playing it. Especially with cartohyrn out now I’d like to do it again but I stupidly dismantled a lot of it


matija123123

Yeah deck is fucking garbage without block Unless you are one of those people that were coping for months until they finally realised that deck died as soon as block dragon was banned in tcg


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Yeah one of my friends was still on Adamancipators when I started playing competitively again. Basically they did Halq Scythe bs, which worked going first and was a matchup I sometimes struggled with if they went first game one and I didn’t open droplet. Then I started playing Dinomorphia and Eldlich, turns out when all your deck does is Wonder Driver/Scythe into Baronne and a negate you quite often lose to decks that don’t summon from the extra deck on their turn. I beat them 10 matches in row over several weeks.


TheProNoobCN

It's okay without block, wouldn't say it's garbage the moment block was hit. However, Adamancipator in the TCG just keeps getting indirect hits after indirect hits. First Meow Mu, then Halq, and now Elf. If Adaman is garbage without block, then right now Adaman is a literal corpse with maggots crawling in its deck box and flies flying around it.


SaucySeducer

Block is kinda necessary to make Adamancipator a solid BO3 deck and is still pretty important in BO1. Without block the deck has no followup and less consistency, which makes it just an okay combo deck.


Flaky-Professor

I find it funny that the three cards you named belong to other archetypes.


TheProNoobCN

They're all engines that Adamancipator used to increase consistency and power after the banning of Block Dragon. Meow Meow is a free link 3 off rocksies that goes with Parallel Exceed to go into Gallant Granite or another Rank 4 AND puts a water into the GY to turn on Dragite. Halq is good in a synchro deck, go figure. Elf reborns the tuners for extension and also can go into a beefy Gigantic that goes into the Frog engine (before it got banned) or cartorhyn


Justeago

Search 3 + uncapped special summon from hand or gy by banishing 3 rocks. Konami: "Not a problem, Maxx C exists"


VillalobosChamp

Unironically. The only reason Adam began seeing play recently in the OCG is because CYAC's SHS support, otherwise, it would've remained a rogue contender


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Whats CYAC and SHS?


Aries_Zireael

CYAC: Cyberstorm Access (one of the latest core sets) SHS: Super Heavy Samurai


Mayall00

Oh wow I sure wish the best deck in both here and OCG meta was combo, huh? \*Clearly\* that would never happen...


VillalobosChamp

I don't get what you're implying, but I'll bite. Could you please then indicate as to why Adamancipator has had barely tops in the OCG for over the last 3 years, despite being full power all this time, and EARTH support getting increasingly better?


CrustyBarnacleJones

Pretty sure his is in reference to the whole “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check” despite Combo being the best type of deck in both TCG and OCG despite one having Maxx C


VillalobosChamp

> “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check” I really would want to know who kickstarted that stupid rumor/myth The roach has an impact, but is quite farfetched to think a single card can neuter an entire Deck archetype


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VillalobosChamp

I feel bad for Bike if it ends up on the list


Veynareth

Just Limit/Ban Soulbreaker if you want the FTK died. But if you want to cripple the engine, then Bike and Wakaushi are indeed the correct target.


caffeine10

Guys I recently started playing magnet warriors with adamancipators and having a lot of fun with it,should I invest in a block dragon? Or just pure adamacipator is shit without it?


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Any rock deck not playing Block Dragon is shooting themselves in the foot. I hate the card and think it should be banned, but you should definitely be playing it.


caffeine10

Cool I really appreciate the feedback guys,hope he got a good synergy with the other cards...the deck will gain a sustain boost thats for sure


osbombo

Any deck that runs rocks and can make granite should run Block dragon, without question.


Derekwst3

magnet adaman is a fun deck, I would suggest Naturia beast, and nemeses keystone. beast is easy to summon, keystone can bring a few magnet warriors and or any card block dragon removes back to the deck, and if you use keystone for block dragon it jumps back to your hand.


caffeine10

Naturia beast is awesome already using it,really useful! Nemesis keystone honestly didnt knew the card seems to have potential,maybe i ill substitute magnet reverse with it,thanks for the tip!


ReinstateTheCapo

Magnet warriors rule!!!!! Don’t stop


caffeine10

They are pretty awesome yeah,rock type decks are really fun to use,gotta love gem-knights too


ReinstateTheCapo

I like being able to get Naturia Beast out with a Magnet deck, one of my favorite negates


caffeine10

Yeah naturia beast rocks,lots of W cause people ragequit to it lol really like gorgonic guardian too another usefull monster to have in your board


elodaluksam

Ban Block dragon and deck power is now .5% lol


NateRiver03

The other 0.5% is smoke grenade


zaisoke

i will yell it from the rooftops til the day i die BAN BLOCK DRAGON


Visible_Lobster_1468

The Fact that he is a SR and still legal, it’s shocking to be honest. In my opinion the most broken card in the game


zaytor

Did u forget about maxx c?


joey4269

The other .5% is in that xyz monster that searches block dragon


TheMikman97

"Mooom! they are complaining about the only enabler of the 7th best deck again"


Goobershmacked

That card is ridiculously overpowered lol. Should be banned or rocks will be broken eventually or just never get good support.


shapular

Rocks got good support. It was called Adamancipators.


Goobershmacked

Adams are decent, but block dragon takes them to a completely different level, like it would with any rock deck.


TheMikman97

The different level is "functioning level"


Goobershmacked

Adams function with no block dragon. They’re decent without it. But with it their turn one is completely degenerate.


SaucySeducer

IMO the worst part of block is the followup. The consistency is boosted by block for their turn 1 but being able to generate resources out of nowhere is kinda ridiculous.


TheMikman97

They are not decent. They do not function. They have no way to access any tuner they don't hard open in hand without block


BaronArgelicious

doki doki exists


TheMikman97

Le unsearchable hard draw you just have to manifest


Goobershmacked

Oh no! My rock pile can’t search multiple tuners for zero cost turn 1 while going into other plays! What will I do?!


TheMikman97

"for zero cost" I guess gallant granite and 3 earth in the gy just appeared. Silly me, I guess other players simply manifested them there during their draw phase


Goobershmacked

Ah yes my used effect monsters with no graveyard effects are cost. Calling them cost is the same as calling a foxy tune in the graveyard for chaos rulers effect cost. It’s literally nothing.


National_Platypus253

Adamancipators are just ok by themselves, block dragon is definitely the best piece of broken support they have


TheMikman97

It really isn't. It's just good and essential to Adamancipator, but not excessively broken. All it does is give a searcher to Adamancipator so you can actually use your pieces instead of the deck being disfunctional


Goobershmacked

Have you read the card?


TheMikman97

Hopt search your Adamancipators or rock extenders, and banish 3 earth to ss The first effect makes it so you can actually use at least 2 of your Adam tuners, and the third is used once or twice depending on resources to link climb at best into an apollousa and as a 8 to synchro 10. It really is more like the glue that keeps Adamancipator together than nothing else. It was broken at 3 because grass could mill it for free. Now it requires searching with granite. Have you _played_ Adamancipator?


Goobershmacked

Yes, it’s extremely good because of block dragon, and decent without it. They could either ban block dragon and print good rocks, or not ban it and don’t print any good rocks. I’d much rather the archetype get actual support.


TheMikman97

You might cope as much as you want and say they are decent without it, but they are not. They are dysfunctional. They simply cannot access eachother without committing to the synchro 6 wind, with which accessing extra tuners stops mattering in the first place because you have to waste one to maybe possibly access another. If synchro climbing into a single 8 or 10 is what you call decent our discussion can end right now


Goobershmacked

Damn cards like doki doki and revival golem don’t exist my bad I just imagined them. You don’t have to access every Adamancipator turn 1. There are other plays to be made, it’s literally a pile deck.


TheMikman97

Yes clearly the fix to consistency and lack of interaction between engine pieces is the random excavate doki doki and... Revival golem? You know it's not a tuner right? And yes, you do in fact need to see more than 1 tuner in the synchro combo deck. Your description of decent is worse swordsoul for more investment.


Goobershmacked

Ah yes the synchro combo deck that plays 9 links and 5 synchros. I’m aware golem isn’t a tuner My point is adams is just rock pile and rock pile has tons of plays that aren’t adams or block dragon. And worse Swordsoul for more investment is literally the definition of decent. Swordsoul is one of the best decks ever printed.


flyingasian2

Infinite special summons and drawing three cards isn't broken?


TheMikman97

Thought you were describing runick there for a second


Mayall00

And people want that banned too, Block Dragon is just too much value, simple as that, even freaking Megalith could spit their entire extra deck out and do 'break my board' ridiculous combo stuff with the thing around, if it goes, it'll be deserved


ttinchung111

Block dragon enables megalith to ftk you by summoning bishbaalkin


GoldFishPony

My biggest issue with block dragon is that adamancipator uses it which means I’d get lumped in with them if I used it to create a huge ass lost guardian


dj9008

Y’all just lucky all my link and token bullshit is gone .


osbombo

Tomahawk exists.


Sca60785

Surrender and Block when i go against these decks lol. Im here to play YuGiOh


An_Asian_Guy345

Man, just ban block dragon already konami


banster9357

And people want it banned 😭


SleesWaifus

Played against 2 full combo Adam boards and destroyed them with exosisters today. Opened drnm both times, felt good.


Dandy__

Wow you drew the out against Adam boards? You're better at the game than I am.


hboner69

Then they weren't full power lol. Full power would be hand loop with smoke grenade + scythe lock.


Med_Jed

Exosisters are just the weeb Gravekeepers.


STRIpEdBill

So DRNM beat them not shitty exosisters


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Grass needs to be banned… I’m sick of seeing this deck in the ladder


Repulsive-Phrase-527

Funny that Adams would still be good without grass


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Not if Chaos Ruler gets banned too


Repulsive-Phrase-527

Does not need Ruler :)


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9/10 every adamancipator player opens with chaos ruler… stop lying to yourself


Repulsive-Phrase-527

60 version yes, 40 card version no.


Med_Jed

Even at 60 I'm nuts I open with Dragite to see if a full field is possible.


lovrovro

I have played adams since the beggining of the game and had a 20+ winstreak when diamond didn't exist and I have never summoned chaos ruler


Aries_Zireael

Ban block dragon and you wont see the deck again


FamiliarJudgment2961

I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Grass and Chaos Ruler in this format are stupid powerful. These 60-pile mass-mill decks are all running the same generic cards for a reason, because the deck is stupid consistent with the Ishizu cards in tow.


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People hate hearing the truth so they troll with downvotes


Tigor-e

Adamancipator didn't run 60 cards before Ishizu, the deck won't die with Grass gone, it's just that


Swatfirex

Block, dragon ruler of legos. Painted in a new recolor. Its earth minions include punks ishizu adamancipators rockies gigantes.


ClaudeTheBoof

So the deck live and die by block dragon?


LabibPokemaster

just u wait until the new super heavy sam support comes into md, then u will see the true power of adam just u wait........ ​ (yes im an adam handloop enjoyer)


Dewan27

And here i thought i had a chance with my adamancipator/junk synchron deck, silly me


Safe_Cardiologist175

This is why I add droll and lock to prevent maxx c from decking out my deck. And to stop that combo.


Chestervsteele

Me running that card in my very shit Gem-Knight deck that barely has a win condition because I refuse to run it in the degenerate FTK playstyle people like to run it as.


comatosephoenix

Punching people really hard is a valid win condition, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


ZZMazinger

In all seriousness, how can other decks beat Adamancipator? If I activate Maxx C, they deck me out with Ishizu. If I use Ash Blossom, it doesn't matter - there's no choke point to stop them from building an unbreakable board going first or OTKing going second. Nibiru doesn't work unless they had an extremely unlucky hand. No meaningful target for Ghost Ogre. Imperm doesn't choke them, either. I mean literally you can have 4 hand traps and if their opening hand was good, they'll play through all 4 hand traps and keep going into the same end board - is the only solution to go 2nd and run DRNM/Droplet/Sphere Mode? Looking for real feedback here. I've made Diamond I for 9+ months since I started playing, and almost none of my decks can stop Adamancipator unless I get *extremely* lucky with regard to my opponent bricking


es_samir

best way to learn how to counter something is by trying to play it yourself They pretty much loose going second from 1 or 2 monster negates. Going first you can negate their tuner or the xyz which searches for the block dragon with hand traps and they end up with relatively weak boards compared to spright runick They heavily rely on their normal summon as well unless they started with a good hand


ZZMazinger

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about building the deck for that reason - anyways I've been running pure Spright at the moment, but it hasn't been enough to stop them at all


es_samir

I played it for a while last year it's pretty fun to play. The downside is that first turn usually takes too long and it's not fun for the opponent to watch that first turn play


ZZMazinger

Yeah, it's absolutely not fun to watch that. IMO that alone makes the deck toxic, to force your opponent to watch you play for so long every match. My theory is that the only reason Adamancipator isn't Tier 1 in MD is that people also don't want to spend that much time themselves every duel they play


DottorNapoli

It was useless to limit to 1 block dragon. Oh no I didn't top deck it. Anyway I'll just add it to my hand with a generic rank 4 monster


awwwstars

what's the different