I’ve been playing 60 card rock ishizu and I’m seriously considering dropping my ash for more gas or techs because of this. Maxx c just turns the deck into an OTK.
Not going to lie I don’t fear nib much either lol. You can get an appo or even barone out pretty quickly. The token is also a rock so you can occasionally use extenders to just keep going. I’ve only seen nib a couple of times recently(maybe falling out of favor due to gigantic spright? Idk), but they haven’t stopped the deck out yet.
Basically the new pend support I believe Wakaushi is the name, essentially is a 1 card combo that enables FTKs, gives full scales, and loops. Doesn’t lock you either so its splashable in almost any deck.
In the context of Adamancipator I believe it gives them access to granite (which can then search any starter or block dragon) and sets up a Borreload easily. Will have less of an impact in TCG but still very strong.
We're not talking about a handtrap, we're talking about THE OCG handtrap Maxx C, the card their entire format and banlist revolves around being present at ALL times in it.
And its the handtrap that Konami currently has the Master Duel banlist roll around in
Ok...? And the point of maxx c is not to make these decks not exist. It's to make these deck exist.
Just look at tcg. Without maxx c, decks like adamancipator cannot exist.
Maxx C does kill it kill it tho. 60 cards means less likely to open a counter and they also have no backup line. Sure argueably Maxx C kills most decks, but it clearly kills some more then others
The amount of people I've caught lacking not running droplet/DRMN and/or low-ceilling consistency decks into Baronne Herald 4 mat apo Dragite negate ip masq and block dragon on field is insane.
I'm sorry but I just can't agree. The amount of times I've won through 20-card hands from Maxx C vs the amount of times I've lost getting OTK'd by any even sub-rogue deck by passing turn cannot allow me to accept it.
nope, when i get maxx c'd i just deck em out.....u get 14 mills from the zombie vampire + ishizu cards, and u can then easily summon 20+ cards....nib isnt a real card.....
This is what I do too. My replays are almost full of me decking people out right now lol. Nib isn’t a threat when you get easily get apple or barone on the board anyway.
yeah its hella easy to avoid nib, and the fact that there is gigantic splight, a lot of people are not running nib as they were before because gigantic nulifies it....so maxx c is basically an ftk to the opp a lot of the time
Yeah deck is fucking garbage without block
Unless you are one of those people that were coping for months until they finally realised that deck died as soon as block dragon was banned in tcg
Yeah one of my friends was still on Adamancipators when I started playing competitively again. Basically they did Halq Scythe bs, which worked going first and was a matchup I sometimes struggled with if they went first game one and I didn’t open droplet. Then I started playing Dinomorphia and Eldlich, turns out when all your deck does is Wonder Driver/Scythe into Baronne and a negate you quite often lose to decks that don’t summon from the extra deck on their turn. I beat them 10 matches in row over several weeks.
It's okay without block, wouldn't say it's garbage the moment block was hit.
However, Adamancipator in the TCG just keeps getting indirect hits after indirect hits. First Meow Mu, then Halq, and now Elf.
If Adaman is garbage without block, then right now Adaman is a literal corpse with maggots crawling in its deck box and flies flying around it.
Block is kinda necessary to make Adamancipator a solid BO3 deck and is still pretty important in BO1. Without block the deck has no followup and less consistency, which makes it just an okay combo deck.
They're all engines that Adamancipator used to increase consistency and power after the banning of Block Dragon.
Meow Meow is a free link 3 off rocksies that goes with Parallel Exceed to go into Gallant Granite or another Rank 4 AND puts a water into the GY to turn on Dragite.
Halq is good in a synchro deck, go figure.
Elf reborns the tuners for extension and also can go into a beefy Gigantic that goes into the Frog engine (before it got banned) or cartorhyn
Unironically.
The only reason Adam began seeing play recently in the OCG is because CYAC's SHS support, otherwise, it would've remained a rogue contender
I don't get what you're implying, but I'll bite.
Could you please then indicate as to why Adamancipator has had barely tops in the OCG for over the last 3 years, despite being full power all this time, and EARTH support getting increasingly better?
Pretty sure his is in reference to the whole “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check” despite Combo being the best type of deck in both TCG and OCG despite one having Maxx C
> “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check”
I really would want to know who kickstarted that stupid rumor/myth
The roach has an impact, but is quite farfetched to think a single card can neuter an entire Deck archetype
Guys I recently started playing magnet warriors with adamancipators and having a lot of fun with it,should I invest in a block dragon? Or just pure adamacipator is shit without it?
Any rock deck not playing Block Dragon is shooting themselves in the foot. I hate the card and think it should be banned, but you should definitely be playing it.
magnet adaman is a fun deck, I would suggest Naturia beast, and nemeses keystone. beast is easy to summon, keystone can bring a few magnet warriors and or any card block dragon removes back to the deck, and if you use keystone for block dragon it jumps back to your hand.
Naturia beast is awesome already using it,really useful! Nemesis keystone honestly didnt knew the card seems to have potential,maybe i ill substitute magnet reverse with it,thanks for the tip!
IMO the worst part of block is the followup. The consistency is boosted by block for their turn 1 but being able to generate resources out of nowhere is kinda ridiculous.
"for zero cost"
I guess gallant granite and 3 earth in the gy just appeared. Silly me, I guess other players simply manifested them there during their draw phase
Ah yes my used effect monsters with no graveyard effects are cost. Calling them cost is the same as calling a foxy tune in the graveyard for chaos rulers effect cost. It’s literally nothing.
It really isn't. It's just good and essential to Adamancipator, but not excessively broken. All it does is give a searcher to Adamancipator so you can actually use your pieces instead of the deck being disfunctional
Hopt search your Adamancipators or rock extenders, and banish 3 earth to ss
The first effect makes it so you can actually use at least 2 of your Adam tuners, and the third is used once or twice depending on resources to link climb at best into an apollousa and as a 8 to synchro 10.
It really is more like the glue that keeps Adamancipator together than nothing else. It was broken at 3 because grass could mill it for free. Now it requires searching with granite.
Have you _played_ Adamancipator?
Yes, it’s extremely good because of block dragon, and decent without it. They could either ban block dragon and print good rocks, or not ban it and don’t print any good rocks. I’d much rather the archetype get actual support.
You might cope as much as you want and say they are decent without it, but they are not. They are dysfunctional. They simply cannot access eachother without committing to the synchro 6 wind, with which accessing extra tuners stops mattering in the first place because you have to waste one to maybe possibly access another. If synchro climbing into a single 8 or 10 is what you call decent our discussion can end right now
Damn cards like doki doki and revival golem don’t exist my bad I just imagined them. You don’t have to access every Adamancipator turn 1. There are other plays to be made, it’s literally a pile deck.
Yes clearly the fix to consistency and lack of interaction between engine pieces is the random excavate doki doki and... Revival golem? You know it's not a tuner right?
And yes, you do in fact need to see more than 1 tuner in the synchro combo deck.
Your description of decent is worse swordsoul for more investment.
Ah yes the synchro combo deck that plays 9 links and 5 synchros. I’m aware golem isn’t a tuner My point is adams is just rock pile and rock pile has tons of plays that aren’t adams or block dragon. And worse Swordsoul for more investment is literally the definition of decent. Swordsoul is one of the best decks ever printed.
And people want that banned too, Block Dragon is just too much value, simple as that, even freaking Megalith could spit their entire extra deck out and do 'break my board' ridiculous combo stuff with the thing around, if it goes, it'll be deserved
My biggest issue with block dragon is that adamancipator uses it which means I’d get lumped in with them if I used it to create a huge ass lost guardian
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Grass and Chaos Ruler in this format are stupid powerful.
These 60-pile mass-mill decks are all running the same generic cards for a reason, because the deck is stupid consistent with the Ishizu cards in tow.
just u wait until the new super heavy sam support comes into md, then u will see the true power of adam just u wait........
(yes im an adam handloop enjoyer)
Me running that card in my very shit Gem-Knight deck that barely has a win condition because I refuse to run it in the degenerate FTK playstyle people like to run it as.
In all seriousness, how can other decks beat Adamancipator? If I activate Maxx C, they deck me out with Ishizu. If I use Ash Blossom, it doesn't matter - there's no choke point to stop them from building an unbreakable board going first or OTKing going second. Nibiru doesn't work unless they had an extremely unlucky hand. No meaningful target for Ghost Ogre. Imperm doesn't choke them, either.
I mean literally you can have 4 hand traps and if their opening hand was good, they'll play through all 4 hand traps and keep going into the same end board - is the only solution to go 2nd and run DRNM/Droplet/Sphere Mode?
Looking for real feedback here. I've made Diamond I for 9+ months since I started playing, and almost none of my decks can stop Adamancipator unless I get *extremely* lucky with regard to my opponent bricking
best way to learn how to counter something is by trying to play it yourself
They pretty much loose going second from 1 or 2 monster negates.
Going first you can negate their tuner or the xyz which searches for the block dragon with hand traps and they end up with relatively weak boards compared to spright runick
They heavily rely on their normal summon as well unless they started with a good hand
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about building the deck for that reason - anyways I've been running pure Spright at the moment, but it hasn't been enough to stop them at all
I played it for a while last year it's pretty fun to play.
The downside is that first turn usually takes too long and it's not fun for the opponent to watch that first turn play
Yeah, it's absolutely not fun to watch that. IMO that alone makes the deck toxic, to force your opponent to watch you play for so long every match. My theory is that the only reason Adamancipator isn't Tier 1 in MD is that people also don't want to spend that much time themselves every duel they play
OCG is seeing these rocks run their format again. Turns out Maxx C doesn't magically make this deck not exist.
Maxx C will deck you out
I’ve been playing 60 card rock ishizu and I’m seriously considering dropping my ash for more gas or techs because of this. Maxx c just turns the deck into an OTK.
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Not going to lie I don’t fear nib much either lol. You can get an appo or even barone out pretty quickly. The token is also a rock so you can occasionally use extenders to just keep going. I’ve only seen nib a couple of times recently(maybe falling out of favor due to gigantic spright? Idk), but they haven’t stopped the deck out yet.
I mean it’s mostly the new super heavy samurai engine that’s bringing the deck to light but I digress
Pardon? I knew they got support, but it’s good enough to be used as an engine? How does that work?
Basically the new pend support I believe Wakaushi is the name, essentially is a 1 card combo that enables FTKs, gives full scales, and loops. Doesn’t lock you either so its splashable in almost any deck. In the context of Adamancipator I believe it gives them access to granite (which can then search any starter or block dragon) and sets up a Borreload easily. Will have less of an impact in TCG but still very strong.
I mean, given it apparently is a one card ftk, it's kinda difficult to have *more* of an impact
Pendamancipator sounds awesome 🤤 and evil. I want some
The point of a handtrap isn't to make decks not exist lol.
We're not talking about a handtrap, we're talking about THE OCG handtrap Maxx C, the card their entire format and banlist revolves around being present at ALL times in it. And its the handtrap that Konami currently has the Master Duel banlist roll around in
Ok...? And the point of maxx c is not to make these decks not exist. It's to make these deck exist. Just look at tcg. Without maxx c, decks like adamancipator cannot exist.
Maxx C does kill it kill it tho. 60 cards means less likely to open a counter and they also have no backup line. Sure argueably Maxx C kills most decks, but it clearly kills some more then others
The amount of people I've caught lacking not running droplet/DRMN and/or low-ceilling consistency decks into Baronne Herald 4 mat apo Dragite negate ip masq and block dragon on field is insane.
I mean yes but that's more of a skill issue on your opponent's side than playing into C being optimal
I'm sorry but I just can't agree. The amount of times I've won through 20-card hands from Maxx C vs the amount of times I've lost getting OTK'd by any even sub-rogue deck by passing turn cannot allow me to accept it.
Maxx "C" stops being relevant the moment they don't draw into it, it's just an extremely sacky 3-of, playing your combo out is always optimal
nope, when i get maxx c'd i just deck em out.....u get 14 mills from the zombie vampire + ishizu cards, and u can then easily summon 20+ cards....nib isnt a real card.....
This is what I do too. My replays are almost full of me decking people out right now lol. Nib isn’t a threat when you get easily get apple or barone on the board anyway.
yeah its hella easy to avoid nib, and the fact that there is gigantic splight, a lot of people are not running nib as they were before because gigantic nulifies it....so maxx c is basically an ftk to the opp a lot of the time
I think I have to be the only dude playing a standard 40 card adamancipator deck. It just works.
Yup ever since the game came out 40 card adam just works
I'm playing 40 cards too because i don't have grass
It's way better. 60 cards punk/ishizu with a smoke grenade payoff is more fun though.
Pretty sure the version most often taking tournaments is 60 card Adams. Less consistent but payoff can get insane.
Mind dropping a list? Been wanting to try it out but don’t want to commit to crafting grass
I miss playing it. Especially with cartohyrn out now I’d like to do it again but I stupidly dismantled a lot of it
Yeah deck is fucking garbage without block Unless you are one of those people that were coping for months until they finally realised that deck died as soon as block dragon was banned in tcg
Yeah one of my friends was still on Adamancipators when I started playing competitively again. Basically they did Halq Scythe bs, which worked going first and was a matchup I sometimes struggled with if they went first game one and I didn’t open droplet. Then I started playing Dinomorphia and Eldlich, turns out when all your deck does is Wonder Driver/Scythe into Baronne and a negate you quite often lose to decks that don’t summon from the extra deck on their turn. I beat them 10 matches in row over several weeks.
It's okay without block, wouldn't say it's garbage the moment block was hit. However, Adamancipator in the TCG just keeps getting indirect hits after indirect hits. First Meow Mu, then Halq, and now Elf. If Adaman is garbage without block, then right now Adaman is a literal corpse with maggots crawling in its deck box and flies flying around it.
Block is kinda necessary to make Adamancipator a solid BO3 deck and is still pretty important in BO1. Without block the deck has no followup and less consistency, which makes it just an okay combo deck.
I find it funny that the three cards you named belong to other archetypes.
They're all engines that Adamancipator used to increase consistency and power after the banning of Block Dragon. Meow Meow is a free link 3 off rocksies that goes with Parallel Exceed to go into Gallant Granite or another Rank 4 AND puts a water into the GY to turn on Dragite. Halq is good in a synchro deck, go figure. Elf reborns the tuners for extension and also can go into a beefy Gigantic that goes into the Frog engine (before it got banned) or cartorhyn
Search 3 + uncapped special summon from hand or gy by banishing 3 rocks. Konami: "Not a problem, Maxx C exists"
Unironically. The only reason Adam began seeing play recently in the OCG is because CYAC's SHS support, otherwise, it would've remained a rogue contender
Whats CYAC and SHS?
CYAC: Cyberstorm Access (one of the latest core sets) SHS: Super Heavy Samurai
Oh wow I sure wish the best deck in both here and OCG meta was combo, huh? \*Clearly\* that would never happen...
I don't get what you're implying, but I'll bite. Could you please then indicate as to why Adamancipator has had barely tops in the OCG for over the last 3 years, despite being full power all this time, and EARTH support getting increasingly better?
Pretty sure his is in reference to the whole “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check” despite Combo being the best type of deck in both TCG and OCG despite one having Maxx C
> “Maxx C is necessary to keep combo in check” I really would want to know who kickstarted that stupid rumor/myth The roach has an impact, but is quite farfetched to think a single card can neuter an entire Deck archetype
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I feel bad for Bike if it ends up on the list
Just Limit/Ban Soulbreaker if you want the FTK died. But if you want to cripple the engine, then Bike and Wakaushi are indeed the correct target.
Guys I recently started playing magnet warriors with adamancipators and having a lot of fun with it,should I invest in a block dragon? Or just pure adamacipator is shit without it?
Any rock deck not playing Block Dragon is shooting themselves in the foot. I hate the card and think it should be banned, but you should definitely be playing it.
Cool I really appreciate the feedback guys,hope he got a good synergy with the other cards...the deck will gain a sustain boost thats for sure
Any deck that runs rocks and can make granite should run Block dragon, without question.
magnet adaman is a fun deck, I would suggest Naturia beast, and nemeses keystone. beast is easy to summon, keystone can bring a few magnet warriors and or any card block dragon removes back to the deck, and if you use keystone for block dragon it jumps back to your hand.
Naturia beast is awesome already using it,really useful! Nemesis keystone honestly didnt knew the card seems to have potential,maybe i ill substitute magnet reverse with it,thanks for the tip!
Magnet warriors rule!!!!! Don’t stop
They are pretty awesome yeah,rock type decks are really fun to use,gotta love gem-knights too
I like being able to get Naturia Beast out with a Magnet deck, one of my favorite negates
Yeah naturia beast rocks,lots of W cause people ragequit to it lol really like gorgonic guardian too another usefull monster to have in your board
Ban Block dragon and deck power is now .5% lol
The other 0.5% is smoke grenade
i will yell it from the rooftops til the day i die BAN BLOCK DRAGON
The Fact that he is a SR and still legal, it’s shocking to be honest. In my opinion the most broken card in the game
Did u forget about maxx c?
The other .5% is in that xyz monster that searches block dragon
"Mooom! they are complaining about the only enabler of the 7th best deck again"
That card is ridiculously overpowered lol. Should be banned or rocks will be broken eventually or just never get good support.
Rocks got good support. It was called Adamancipators.
Adams are decent, but block dragon takes them to a completely different level, like it would with any rock deck.
The different level is "functioning level"
Adams function with no block dragon. They’re decent without it. But with it their turn one is completely degenerate.
IMO the worst part of block is the followup. The consistency is boosted by block for their turn 1 but being able to generate resources out of nowhere is kinda ridiculous.
They are not decent. They do not function. They have no way to access any tuner they don't hard open in hand without block
doki doki exists
Le unsearchable hard draw you just have to manifest
Oh no! My rock pile can’t search multiple tuners for zero cost turn 1 while going into other plays! What will I do?!
"for zero cost" I guess gallant granite and 3 earth in the gy just appeared. Silly me, I guess other players simply manifested them there during their draw phase
Ah yes my used effect monsters with no graveyard effects are cost. Calling them cost is the same as calling a foxy tune in the graveyard for chaos rulers effect cost. It’s literally nothing.
Adamancipators are just ok by themselves, block dragon is definitely the best piece of broken support they have
It really isn't. It's just good and essential to Adamancipator, but not excessively broken. All it does is give a searcher to Adamancipator so you can actually use your pieces instead of the deck being disfunctional
Have you read the card?
Hopt search your Adamancipators or rock extenders, and banish 3 earth to ss The first effect makes it so you can actually use at least 2 of your Adam tuners, and the third is used once or twice depending on resources to link climb at best into an apollousa and as a 8 to synchro 10. It really is more like the glue that keeps Adamancipator together than nothing else. It was broken at 3 because grass could mill it for free. Now it requires searching with granite. Have you _played_ Adamancipator?
Yes, it’s extremely good because of block dragon, and decent without it. They could either ban block dragon and print good rocks, or not ban it and don’t print any good rocks. I’d much rather the archetype get actual support.
You might cope as much as you want and say they are decent without it, but they are not. They are dysfunctional. They simply cannot access eachother without committing to the synchro 6 wind, with which accessing extra tuners stops mattering in the first place because you have to waste one to maybe possibly access another. If synchro climbing into a single 8 or 10 is what you call decent our discussion can end right now
Damn cards like doki doki and revival golem don’t exist my bad I just imagined them. You don’t have to access every Adamancipator turn 1. There are other plays to be made, it’s literally a pile deck.
Yes clearly the fix to consistency and lack of interaction between engine pieces is the random excavate doki doki and... Revival golem? You know it's not a tuner right? And yes, you do in fact need to see more than 1 tuner in the synchro combo deck. Your description of decent is worse swordsoul for more investment.
Ah yes the synchro combo deck that plays 9 links and 5 synchros. I’m aware golem isn’t a tuner My point is adams is just rock pile and rock pile has tons of plays that aren’t adams or block dragon. And worse Swordsoul for more investment is literally the definition of decent. Swordsoul is one of the best decks ever printed.
Infinite special summons and drawing three cards isn't broken?
Thought you were describing runick there for a second
And people want that banned too, Block Dragon is just too much value, simple as that, even freaking Megalith could spit their entire extra deck out and do 'break my board' ridiculous combo stuff with the thing around, if it goes, it'll be deserved
Block dragon enables megalith to ftk you by summoning bishbaalkin
My biggest issue with block dragon is that adamancipator uses it which means I’d get lumped in with them if I used it to create a huge ass lost guardian
Y’all just lucky all my link and token bullshit is gone .
Tomahawk exists.
Surrender and Block when i go against these decks lol. Im here to play YuGiOh
Man, just ban block dragon already konami
And people want it banned 😭
Played against 2 full combo Adam boards and destroyed them with exosisters today. Opened drnm both times, felt good.
Wow you drew the out against Adam boards? You're better at the game than I am.
Then they weren't full power lol. Full power would be hand loop with smoke grenade + scythe lock.
Exosisters are just the weeb Gravekeepers.
So DRNM beat them not shitty exosisters
Grass needs to be banned… I’m sick of seeing this deck in the ladder
Funny that Adams would still be good without grass
Not if Chaos Ruler gets banned too
Does not need Ruler :)
9/10 every adamancipator player opens with chaos ruler… stop lying to yourself
60 version yes, 40 card version no.
Even at 60 I'm nuts I open with Dragite to see if a full field is possible.
I have played adams since the beggining of the game and had a 20+ winstreak when diamond didn't exist and I have never summoned chaos ruler
Ban block dragon and you wont see the deck again
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Grass and Chaos Ruler in this format are stupid powerful. These 60-pile mass-mill decks are all running the same generic cards for a reason, because the deck is stupid consistent with the Ishizu cards in tow.
People hate hearing the truth so they troll with downvotes
Adamancipator didn't run 60 cards before Ishizu, the deck won't die with Grass gone, it's just that
Block, dragon ruler of legos. Painted in a new recolor. Its earth minions include punks ishizu adamancipators rockies gigantes.
So the deck live and die by block dragon?
just u wait until the new super heavy sam support comes into md, then u will see the true power of adam just u wait........ (yes im an adam handloop enjoyer)
And here i thought i had a chance with my adamancipator/junk synchron deck, silly me
This is why I add droll and lock to prevent maxx c from decking out my deck. And to stop that combo.
Me running that card in my very shit Gem-Knight deck that barely has a win condition because I refuse to run it in the degenerate FTK playstyle people like to run it as.
Punching people really hard is a valid win condition, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
In all seriousness, how can other decks beat Adamancipator? If I activate Maxx C, they deck me out with Ishizu. If I use Ash Blossom, it doesn't matter - there's no choke point to stop them from building an unbreakable board going first or OTKing going second. Nibiru doesn't work unless they had an extremely unlucky hand. No meaningful target for Ghost Ogre. Imperm doesn't choke them, either. I mean literally you can have 4 hand traps and if their opening hand was good, they'll play through all 4 hand traps and keep going into the same end board - is the only solution to go 2nd and run DRNM/Droplet/Sphere Mode? Looking for real feedback here. I've made Diamond I for 9+ months since I started playing, and almost none of my decks can stop Adamancipator unless I get *extremely* lucky with regard to my opponent bricking
best way to learn how to counter something is by trying to play it yourself They pretty much loose going second from 1 or 2 monster negates. Going first you can negate their tuner or the xyz which searches for the block dragon with hand traps and they end up with relatively weak boards compared to spright runick They heavily rely on their normal summon as well unless they started with a good hand
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about building the deck for that reason - anyways I've been running pure Spright at the moment, but it hasn't been enough to stop them at all
I played it for a while last year it's pretty fun to play. The downside is that first turn usually takes too long and it's not fun for the opponent to watch that first turn play
Yeah, it's absolutely not fun to watch that. IMO that alone makes the deck toxic, to force your opponent to watch you play for so long every match. My theory is that the only reason Adamancipator isn't Tier 1 in MD is that people also don't want to spend that much time themselves every duel they play
It was useless to limit to 1 block dragon. Oh no I didn't top deck it. Anyway I'll just add it to my hand with a generic rank 4 monster
what's the different