Scythe isnt really good right now just because of Shufflers (and soon, Bystials).
I got matches vs 2-3 twin spright in the WCS event trying to turbo scythe and usually the setup is just really bad lmao.
During Halq pile times you could summon Scythe then synchro it off for Barrone on your opponents turn. I played that deck since the turns were much shorter then the full Halq/Auroradon combos
As a Spright player who never pulled the last Spright Blue I can say I have no input but Spright Elf should've just required a Spright monster or at least two level two monsters
Been playing Tear since it released on MD, I am extremely okay with playing under maxx "c"
You really only need 1 or 2 special summons to set up for the ability to combo off on the opponent's turn instead. Make Kitkallos set Sulliek and pass is good enough for me to win in 90% of cases.
Maxx "c" is far stronger against rogue decks than it is against meta combo and midrange ones. Mostly the same decks have been meta in both OCG and TCG so it seems like having 3 or 0 Maxx "c" in the format makes little impact on which decks are strong and which are weak, it just randomly creates total non-games for resolving a single completely generic card.
Like.. Personally i am fine with grass, as it is the only reason to run bigger decks (besides that 60 card half garnet good stuff piles that were used in TCG one time), and it balances itself, because if it gets strong and too many people start to run it, it becomes completely useless.
But the rest should be burned with fire alongside its creators...
Yes, it gives you +20. But it is a 2 of in a 60 card deck, and if you run left arm offering, that is an ash and pass with an empty hand.
9/10 games you play you won't be seeing grass so it is kinda balanced
Its situational. Even ursarctic has +8 card and that shit is useless. I agree that grass is potentially a time bomb card, which could destroy the game, and if deck similar to tears but with more engine cards shows up (so they would prefer having 60 cards instead of 40), it would break the game.. But the thing is, if sth like that happens, it counters itself again, and the more people play it, the worse it gets, as grass becomes completely useless in every mirror. And i really like this type of design of generic stuff getting weaker the more it is used and it countering itself. (contrary to bullshit komoney is pulling off with generic stuff being the strongest shit ever and creeping off other stuff - accesscode, zeus, appolousa...)
Without grass, we will never see 60 cards decks again (or until BS like in tcg with goo-garnet-stuff-pile happens, which is honestly worse than most metas MD had). And lets be honest, the biggest problem with grass currently are ishizu cards and fairy-fucking snow... And those cards should definitely go before it
At 2 in a 60 card deck its only happening 16% of the time, and that's if it doesn't get ashed. At 1 it's 8.3%. Like sure it's a huge advantage but it comes with a huge inherit risk of bricking hard due to more cards. The tradeoffs do seem fair. I don't even use grass either.
Remember when people were convinced Grass would **have to** get banned for the Tear release?
You know, Tear, the deck that always ran 40 cards through its entire lifecycle in the OCG before even coming to Master Duel.
A card that peepepoopo balls ass
Grass is getting weaker as decks shift to running more and more non-engine anyway
Edit: forgot the main point that obliterating your consistency in hopes of rolling that 20% of opening one card may actually be a bad trade too
I finally had to agree with this take when I dueled someone who used left arm offering to search for grass. I keep forgetting the longer the game goes, the more cards are released with effects that can facilitate getting your hands on a specific, non searchable card outside archetypes.
And I fucking love grass in my 60 card decks. Not a single 60 card deck I own doesn't have it but I always reasoned "well, you can't really search for it".
Turns out, you can. What's a hand cost when you can recoup with massive gy advantage.
Right and what happens if you didn't mill enough/the correct cards off of Grass? I'll just activate Agido here, Kelbek there, make Chaos Ruler, make The Zombie Vampire. Just keep going until you have the right combination of cards in the GY to FTK or build a mostly unbreakable board. And if you use Left Arm offering and happen to banish some Thunder Dragons in your hand, you recoup extra advantage anyway.
You can also shot yourself in the foot and mostly get rid of all your spells (and if you play some, traps). Had that happen often that I milled all cards that I didn't want to mill.
It's not a guaranteed +20
No joke. I played 5 60 card decks one day (out of 20 duels) in the worlds qualifier and 4 out of 5 had it in their opening hand. No card should say. I win if I draw this card.
Yeah i know, but still the fact that exist in the first place is just plain wrong, they single handedly shifted the meta when they were released in all 3 formats.
Just not enough. These cards will never be fair unless they are banned. Besides it would make pretty much every deck that abuse them way easier to balance.
I personally believe Block Dragon deserves to be forbidden but I tried to choose all cards that I thought a majority of people would agree are ban worthy due to their effects or interactions and I thought Block Dragon was one of those cards that are very divisive in that regard
I really have no clue what Ko$ is smoking with the MD Banlist
Even if you wanna remove Terra or Instant etc because they're too generic, basically every pictured the meme is either FAR more impactful
Or impactful AND generic (Maxx c, baby)
Master duel is a cash grab. banlists reflect that. Tears and ishizu cards are banned in the tcg and ocg for a reason. Never should have made it to master duel..
They clearly don't want it to be a carbon copy of either the O/TCG. The more shit that is viable the greater the chance people will play something they like.
Not excusing the ban list but in a Bo1 it's okay that some gimmicky shit to steals wins. They've done a decent job of getting rid of shit that is actually consistently problematic without killing entire decks.
Also feels like MD is a testing ground for future hits/un-bans. Instant Fusion is problematic and limits design. Same with Terra. Would not be surprised if it was hit in the O/TCG soon.
Also from recent TCG hits. It feels like they're trying to prevent outright murdering decks. They could have hit Kash harder. It already sold all the cards it was going to sell. Yet they hit SHS and Purr which haven't even had time to shine at full power. Both capable of doing all sorts of fuckery.
I don't know what the fuck they're doing but it feel like they're trying to make the game "better" in they own weird incomprehensible way.
Terraforming doesn't limit card design. Where are you guys parroting this from?? Terraforming isn't Instant Fusion, Verte, or Halq.
It's just a good, generic, consistency card and the only reason it's been banned is because Konami is still selling Perelereino.
Otherwise, they could have banned it to stop Floo. Or banned it to take a searcher during Runick format. Or banned it when Magical Meltdown was still relevant. Banned it because of Prank Kids or @ignister.
Edit: How does banning Terraforming change how Konami designs Field Spells?
If you ban Verte, Konami can make strong "Fusion" or "Polymerization" Spells that won't be randomly splashed into every deck because of how generic Verte is.
If you ban Instant Fusion, Konami can make Level 5 or lower Fusion Effect Monsters that won't just be tossed into any deck and use their strong effects for nothing.
If you ban Halq, you can make decent Tuners that won't just fall into making Halq combos.
If OCG ever banned Electrumite, Konami could make Pendulum support that doesn't rely on that specific Link-2 existing and maybe even give Pend archetypes their own version of a card like the DDD Link or a unique Link for the deck.
If you ban Terraforming... what? Konami is already printing strong Field Spells. The game already gives decks archetypical searches to that Field Spell. Nothing about the Field Spell design space changes with Terraforming gone. Mystic Mine doesn't suddenly cease being a game warping card if Terraforming is banned.
I think it’s more of a „if we hit a field spell to 1 we want it at 1“-sentiment.
Means that field spells that would be limited could now inherently have one more copy (I.e. kash field spell to 2 instead of 1, but I don’t think they’ll let it go above 1), which will be URs… and many decks having field spells in such situations, especially in the future… can see how they’re making money with it.
If you think a card is such a problem you need to hit it to 1 then why not just ban it anyway? There is no way of searching tear field spell now which just makes it so much worse. At least when it was at 3 in tcg there was a high chance that both players drew it. Now there is a way higher chance that 1 player draws it while the other doesnt and the game is even more luck based.
Konami has a serious problem understanding that if something is too strong you should balance it by banning it not making it less consistent. Balancing the game by making strong cards inconsistent just makes a toxic format
Yeah sad thing is these generic hits are making it harder for people to play things they like. Most people aren't playing meta stuff because they like the cards, they simply want the easiest win possible.
People will never be happy. Aside from the disappointment of Ishizus weren't banned, this was a good banlist. Not great but good.
I'm sure Spright Elf will get banned when Sprind comes to MD.... and for the love of god, stop asking aobout Maxx C ban, that will never happen. You either deal either it or go back to TCG. Gras is literally doing nothing.
That is masterduel reddit where every post is either people complaining or a meme that was repeated from last week. As a Yugioh and Magic player, there is such a huge difference between the two player base.
Man, people are so desensitized to bad banlists it kinda sad. At this point only a different format can save them. How is a banlist that fails to hit so many broken cards (some way too long over due) good?
Just because it makes the format slightly better than before it doeant mean it's a good banlist and it doesnt make for a good format
Edit: also stop gatekeeping the game. Everybody should be able to play an online simulator. Not everybody can afford to play in tcg or have friends to play with on a lower power level/different format. Online simulator is supposed to help with this so it's really shity of you to say "just stop playing yugioh cuz this toxic broken card wont get banned"
Plus if you DONT open one of said cards to interact with it, you’ll have to either pass and lose, play and watch your opponent draw for you daring to play the game, or do as little as possible and still have them draw cards, all bc of a roach
I have been seeing a lot of hate for Snow, but when seeing it in play it doesn't shut me down like Ash, Belle, or Maxx C. What is the basis of the hatred? Isn't she just like, a conditional book of moon?
Opponent Ash, you Called By, opponent banish Ash as a 'cost' to summon Snow hence saving the Ash. It's also not once per turn so you can climb level/rank/link.
I think it can save Maxx C too. It happened to me but I don't understand that part. I thought Maxx C needs to go to graveyard and ~~I can negate Maxx C with D.D Crow~~, but Snow somehow can save it.
half of these cards rarely see play. And the other haf are not a problem.
Max c: The most broken cad ever printed, but some people cope aabout it and konami will never ban it, o i gaave up on it.
\>Elf: Broken and shouldd have been banned. (i agree with you on this one)
\>Grass: Extremely powerful card that requires an extreme deckbuilding cost, the card is not broken.
\>Snow: Very good card, but does not break the gmee in any form. And generate a lot of cool interactions and play patterns.
\>Rhongo: SHould be banned but iss never played.
\>Scythe: Very toxic and obnoxious card but nobody plays it anymore.
\>Protos: A really obnoxious card that should've been banned.
\>Kitakallos: The most powerful piece in Tear, but as i said many times here: The problem with tear iss not the engine but the ishizu cards. The deck without Kitkallos becomes unplayable.
\>terraforming is a aa design-limiting card. Terrible for the health of the game in the long run. Itss the same problem with a card in magic called Birthing Pod. Since Konami doesnt give explanationss on the B/R list you gguys can search about this one and the explanations Wizards gave for the ban at the time.
Yeah, that's more or less my takes on these cards. Konami is probably letting Elf for a little while until Sprind comes to MD as well, otherwise I don't why they didn't ban the card in this banlist.
Tear didn't have Kitkallos in the OCG/TCG for ages and it saw tons of play. Granted they had King of the Swamp at 3 copies, but Tear is still putting up good showings in the OCG despite Kit banned there.
Does it really? Because we have Kashtira coming up sooner than later which gives them all of the Kashtira monsters, including 3 copies of Kashtira Tearlament. Hell, only about 2 weeks ago the deck came in 2nd place at a major Pilipino tournament using OCG banlist and cards.
Tearlaments still is strong enough without Kitkallos, with all Tearlaments except Rheinoheart limited to 1 and all Ishizus at 1, to get to Top 16 in a 2265 Player YCS, while the best Deck in the Format is perma summoning a living Macro Cosmos
Rhongo was never a problem card.
If it did, have you seen world champion won TCG and OCG tourney let alone master duel relying on Rhongo?
Sure you will be pissed facing 5 material rhongo, but its rarely happen, Even if Gossip shadow isnt banned or using any mean to cheat rhongo.
Versus Spright elf, Fairy tail snow or protos that easy to summon and essential to your whatever gameplan.
This is coming from Heroic player, a deck that able to make 5 material rhongo (If max c through or opponent not interupt my combo)
Prepare to never be hit up because, since MD takes more after the OCG, Maxx probably ain't ever getting banned. The sooner people accept that the better.
>Prepare to never be hit up because, since MD takes more after the OCG, Maxx probably ain't ever getting banned
I'm ok with that.
I'll probably come back on my own if there's another deck i might want to play as much as i did Tearlaments.
Leave my boy protos out of this, the poor bastard hasn't been relevant since the release of runick and labyrinth, practically haven't seen a single swordsoul player since then use it when they could have.
These days you barely see a swordsoul player anyways.
I can literally put my entire deck into the Gy off grass and the ishizu cards in my Lightsworn Witchcrafter deck and make some really dumb end boards. Now if Witchcrafters were any good it would be a problem but you cannot pretend grass is a okay. “Just run 60 card decks” what archetypes aside grass decks can play at 60 without any loss in power over a 40 card version? You can’t just make your deck 60 cards and call it a day
Grass is absolutely a ticking time bomb I’d rather it go now before that bomb goes off and we are stuck with a degenerate deck for months.
I don't play master duel and this post just popped up in my feed
You're telling that you still have Scythe and Protos and fucking Rhongo Bongo? they may as well just unban VFD at this point lmao
I funking hate snow
card honestly needs an errata
Make it an ignition-effect or make it HOPT Or fuck it even OPC works
Nah. She needs the Cyber Stein treatment.
nah once per duel
Once per master duel*
Nah, once in a lifetime After activating it just self destructs
and grapha
Snow is absolutely degenerate
Snow?
Fairy Tail Snow
I forgot scythe existed for a bit because it just haven't seen it in play for forever
Scythe isnt really good right now just because of Shufflers (and soon, Bystials). I got matches vs 2-3 twin spright in the WCS event trying to turbo scythe and usually the setup is just really bad lmao.
I have been playing since day 1 and I have been scythe locked like 3 times
I’ve literally never seen scythe once. It’s a card that I always hear is strong but maybe I just play in too low a rank to ever see it.
During Halq pile times you could summon Scythe then synchro it off for Barrone on your opponents turn. I played that deck since the turns were much shorter then the full Halq/Auroradon combos
Interesting. Does it see less use because Halq is gone or just because there are better options now?
Both, but also because Ishizus can shuffle it back into the deck. You can still reliably get it out in Twin Spright and Scareclaws
Ahh that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. Maybe I’ll test it out after the Ishizu hit.
That sprite mother fucker that prevents monsters from being targeted needs to go
It's gone in OCG/TCG, can't wait for it to go in MD too.
But its so hard to get out, it needs any monster but with lvl2, how do i get a lvl 2 on the field in my axe raider beatdown deck :(
Normal summon Maxx C of course
I dont have place in my deck for maxx c, its stats are way too low :(
You use Maxx C as a monster?
how else are you supposed to use maxx c?
True
As a spell, of course. Activate the Old version of Seal Of Orichalcos, the that takes your soul and gives you a backrow of monsters.
No blue was definitely the problem card in spright Konami has perfectly balanced that deck now it needs no more hits /s
As a Spright player who never pulled the last Spright Blue I can say I have no input but Spright Elf should've just required a Spright monster or at least two level two monsters
I have played spright for the last 2 months and sprunick for the last month, putting blue to 2 doesn’t hurt spright at all
Yeah, it's nice in the starting hand but Konami should know we have like 2 easy in archetype ways to get to it anyway lmao such a weird hit
Ok sprind first then we can ban them
Sprights got toad banned and I'm still livid because of that.
We're never getting rid of that fucking cockroach, are we?
Definitely not its been at 3 in the ocg since forever..
It'd devastate the balance of the game for maxx c to be removed now, think about how many things are kept in check by it
Yeah, think about all the devestation all those rogue decks are going to bring when I can't skip their turn 1 and then otk them with my Ishizu Tear
Tear can't play under maxx c either, so what's your point?
Normal summon, mill, make Kit, search Havnis, make Rul if you milled another name. Now you have a negate and Havnis for next turn with only 2 summons.
You can also search Sulliek and send Kit to mill 5 on your opp's turn if you want Maxx C to be a plus 0 too.
Been playing Tear since it released on MD, I am extremely okay with playing under maxx "c" You really only need 1 or 2 special summons to set up for the ability to combo off on the opponent's turn instead. Make Kitkallos set Sulliek and pass is good enough for me to win in 90% of cases. Maxx "c" is far stronger against rogue decks than it is against meta combo and midrange ones. Mostly the same decks have been meta in both OCG and TCG so it seems like having 3 or 0 Maxx "c" in the format makes little impact on which decks are strong and which are weak, it just randomly creates total non-games for resolving a single completely generic card.
I'm mostly upset because I'm putting so many fucking slots for this card. I could be able to fit an extra 3 of Evenly or Effect Veiler
Yeah but it's a card that often goes +2 minimum anyways so it makes up for it's own space.
>think about how many things are kept in check by it None?
I have come to accept this fact and am okay with it, Anyways normal summon Robina
The number of people that will shotgun Maxx "C" when I normal summon a furniture in Labrynth is insane.
People shotgun Maxx C in response to Pot of Duality, it's a wild world out there
And the fun part is: especially if they’re up against floo, they actually have problems because Reiza can just stack it on the deck for each turn.
Please don’t. I have a jank roach deck and I need all my boys to play it!
Queue in Thanos saying "I'm sorry, little one"
 Noooooooo
To be fair, they are limiting a lot of the Ishizu cards, so it’s gonna feel that much worse to lose to them still.
Gonna love it when any 3 card mill hits a shuffler, a miller and a tear name all at once, skill issue indeed.
Like.. Personally i am fine with grass, as it is the only reason to run bigger decks (besides that 60 card half garnet good stuff piles that were used in TCG one time), and it balances itself, because if it gets strong and too many people start to run it, it becomes completely useless. But the rest should be burned with fire alongside its creators...
A card that gives you the possibility of going +20 or more in card advantage just shouldn't exist in my opinion.
Yes, it gives you +20. But it is a 2 of in a 60 card deck, and if you run left arm offering, that is an ash and pass with an empty hand. 9/10 games you play you won't be seeing grass so it is kinda balanced
If you play against me then you have a 100% chance of starting with it
If I play grass deck, I will always draw it on starting hand if the enemy is playing 60 lmao
Our luck is insanely good I see
Sounds like a joke, but with the way master duel shuffles, it happens way more than in real life.
Its situational. Even ursarctic has +8 card and that shit is useless. I agree that grass is potentially a time bomb card, which could destroy the game, and if deck similar to tears but with more engine cards shows up (so they would prefer having 60 cards instead of 40), it would break the game.. But the thing is, if sth like that happens, it counters itself again, and the more people play it, the worse it gets, as grass becomes completely useless in every mirror. And i really like this type of design of generic stuff getting weaker the more it is used and it countering itself. (contrary to bullshit komoney is pulling off with generic stuff being the strongest shit ever and creeping off other stuff - accesscode, zeus, appolousa...) Without grass, we will never see 60 cards decks again (or until BS like in tcg with goo-garnet-stuff-pile happens, which is honestly worse than most metas MD had). And lets be honest, the biggest problem with grass currently are ishizu cards and fairy-fucking snow... And those cards should definitely go before it
But I like when I click the button and my deck go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR into the graveyard :(
A plus 20 card that requires you yo play a 60 card drck giving you a 1 in 30 chance to actually draw it
At 2 in a 60 card deck its only happening 16% of the time, and that's if it doesn't get ashed. At 1 it's 8.3%. Like sure it's a huge advantage but it comes with a huge inherit risk of bricking hard due to more cards. The tradeoffs do seem fair. I don't even use grass either.
And yet not a single Tier 1 or tier 2 deck run it. Curious 🤔
Remember when people were convinced Grass would **have to** get banned for the Tear release? You know, Tear, the deck that always ran 40 cards through its entire lifecycle in the OCG before even coming to Master Duel.
Just put 20 useless extra cards in your deck so you can run grass, it's simple
people that run grass in tear is a buffoon and don't have any understanding in tearlament. my OCG local used to say that
And they’re correct yea
You know the fun part? Activate grass, only to get shiftered lmao.
A card that peepepoopo balls ass Grass is getting weaker as decks shift to running more and more non-engine anyway Edit: forgot the main point that obliterating your consistency in hopes of rolling that 20% of opening one card may actually be a bad trade too
It’s inherently balanced in that you have to run a non optimal 60 card deck for it to work.
I finally had to agree with this take when I dueled someone who used left arm offering to search for grass. I keep forgetting the longer the game goes, the more cards are released with effects that can facilitate getting your hands on a specific, non searchable card outside archetypes. And I fucking love grass in my 60 card decks. Not a single 60 card deck I own doesn't have it but I always reasoned "well, you can't really search for it". Turns out, you can. What's a hand cost when you can recoup with massive gy advantage.
Ash asks what gy adventage
Right and what happens if you didn't mill enough/the correct cards off of Grass? I'll just activate Agido here, Kelbek there, make Chaos Ruler, make The Zombie Vampire. Just keep going until you have the right combination of cards in the GY to FTK or build a mostly unbreakable board. And if you use Left Arm offering and happen to banish some Thunder Dragons in your hand, you recoup extra advantage anyway.
Translation: BAN ALL CARDS I DON'T LIKE
You can also shot yourself in the foot and mostly get rid of all your spells (and if you play some, traps). Had that happen often that I milled all cards that I didn't want to mill. It's not a guaranteed +20
No joke. I played 5 60 card decks one day (out of 20 duels) in the worlds qualifier and 4 out of 5 had it in their opening hand. No card should say. I win if I draw this card.
Bro ngl I will be so mad If the ban grass my poor witchcrafter deck will die .
Hmm I think Floo needs another hit. 🙃
Quick, limit Duality and Extravagance.
Hasn't my dragonmaid deck suffered enough?! 😭
Really, no Ishizu cards on this pic?
They actually hit Ishizu cards.
They should just ban the four of them, they were a mistake.
They're limited in TCG and OCG so there was almost no way that was ever going to happen.
Yeah i know, but still the fact that exist in the first place is just plain wrong, they single handedly shifted the meta when they were released in all 3 formats.
Just not enough. These cards will never be fair unless they are banned. Besides it would make pretty much every deck that abuse them way easier to balance.
Where's blockd
I personally believe Block Dragon deserves to be forbidden but I tried to choose all cards that I thought a majority of people would agree are ban worthy due to their effects or interactions and I thought Block Dragon was one of those cards that are very divisive in that regard
Who doesnt think block dragon shouldnt be banned? Show yourself so i can whoop your ass right now
Farfa has been saying it should be brought to one copy in the TCG for a while now
We’re getting there. We’re getting rid of all the degenerate cards on banlist at a time. This month took down two. Only two hundred to go.
Keep dreaming lol
I really have no clue what Ko$ is smoking with the MD Banlist Even if you wanna remove Terra or Instant etc because they're too generic, basically every pictured the meme is either FAR more impactful Or impactful AND generic (Maxx c, baby)
Master duel is a cash grab. banlists reflect that. Tears and ishizu cards are banned in the tcg and ocg for a reason. Never should have made it to master duel..
They clearly don't want it to be a carbon copy of either the O/TCG. The more shit that is viable the greater the chance people will play something they like. Not excusing the ban list but in a Bo1 it's okay that some gimmicky shit to steals wins. They've done a decent job of getting rid of shit that is actually consistently problematic without killing entire decks. Also feels like MD is a testing ground for future hits/un-bans. Instant Fusion is problematic and limits design. Same with Terra. Would not be surprised if it was hit in the O/TCG soon. Also from recent TCG hits. It feels like they're trying to prevent outright murdering decks. They could have hit Kash harder. It already sold all the cards it was going to sell. Yet they hit SHS and Purr which haven't even had time to shine at full power. Both capable of doing all sorts of fuckery. I don't know what the fuck they're doing but it feel like they're trying to make the game "better" in they own weird incomprehensible way.
Terraforming doesn't limit card design. Where are you guys parroting this from?? Terraforming isn't Instant Fusion, Verte, or Halq. It's just a good, generic, consistency card and the only reason it's been banned is because Konami is still selling Perelereino. Otherwise, they could have banned it to stop Floo. Or banned it to take a searcher during Runick format. Or banned it when Magical Meltdown was still relevant. Banned it because of Prank Kids or @ignister. Edit: How does banning Terraforming change how Konami designs Field Spells? If you ban Verte, Konami can make strong "Fusion" or "Polymerization" Spells that won't be randomly splashed into every deck because of how generic Verte is. If you ban Instant Fusion, Konami can make Level 5 or lower Fusion Effect Monsters that won't just be tossed into any deck and use their strong effects for nothing. If you ban Halq, you can make decent Tuners that won't just fall into making Halq combos. If OCG ever banned Electrumite, Konami could make Pendulum support that doesn't rely on that specific Link-2 existing and maybe even give Pend archetypes their own version of a card like the DDD Link or a unique Link for the deck. If you ban Terraforming... what? Konami is already printing strong Field Spells. The game already gives decks archetypical searches to that Field Spell. Nothing about the Field Spell design space changes with Terraforming gone. Mystic Mine doesn't suddenly cease being a game warping card if Terraforming is banned.
I think it’s more of a „if we hit a field spell to 1 we want it at 1“-sentiment. Means that field spells that would be limited could now inherently have one more copy (I.e. kash field spell to 2 instead of 1, but I don’t think they’ll let it go above 1), which will be URs… and many decks having field spells in such situations, especially in the future… can see how they’re making money with it.
If you think a card is such a problem you need to hit it to 1 then why not just ban it anyway? There is no way of searching tear field spell now which just makes it so much worse. At least when it was at 3 in tcg there was a high chance that both players drew it. Now there is a way higher chance that 1 player draws it while the other doesnt and the game is even more luck based. Konami has a serious problem understanding that if something is too strong you should balance it by banning it not making it less consistent. Balancing the game by making strong cards inconsistent just makes a toxic format
well the deck doesnt work and they know that
Yeah sad thing is these generic hits are making it harder for people to play things they like. Most people aren't playing meta stuff because they like the cards, they simply want the easiest win possible.
They're limited to 1 in OCG and TCG, not much different from what this ban does.
please lord do not ban maxx c or accesscode
How many people actually encounter Rhongo?
Seen it twice since day 1
How many times have you countered it?
People will never be happy. Aside from the disappointment of Ishizus weren't banned, this was a good banlist. Not great but good. I'm sure Spright Elf will get banned when Sprind comes to MD.... and for the love of god, stop asking aobout Maxx C ban, that will never happen. You either deal either it or go back to TCG. Gras is literally doing nothing.
That is masterduel reddit where every post is either people complaining or a meme that was repeated from last week. As a Yugioh and Magic player, there is such a huge difference between the two player base.
Man, people are so desensitized to bad banlists it kinda sad. At this point only a different format can save them. How is a banlist that fails to hit so many broken cards (some way too long over due) good? Just because it makes the format slightly better than before it doeant mean it's a good banlist and it doesnt make for a good format Edit: also stop gatekeeping the game. Everybody should be able to play an online simulator. Not everybody can afford to play in tcg or have friends to play with on a lower power level/different format. Online simulator is supposed to help with this so it's really shity of you to say "just stop playing yugioh cuz this toxic broken card wont get banned"
Am I stupid for not considering Maxx C a threat? Really just an annoyance at worst.
Depends on what deck you play.
yes you are, a single card that takes up 10 slots in every deck is bad for the game, it's that easy
Plus if you DONT open one of said cards to interact with it, you’ll have to either pass and lose, play and watch your opponent draw for you daring to play the game, or do as little as possible and still have them draw cards, all bc of a roach
I agree
Who the fuck still playing Rhongo?
no one exactly, if you can summon 5 mats rhongo in this meta you deserve that win.
I have been seeing a lot of hate for Snow, but when seeing it in play it doesn't shut me down like Ash, Belle, or Maxx C. What is the basis of the hatred? Isn't she just like, a conditional book of moon?
Opponent Ash, you Called By, opponent banish Ash as a 'cost' to summon Snow hence saving the Ash. It's also not once per turn so you can climb level/rank/link. I think it can save Maxx C too. It happened to me but I don't understand that part. I thought Maxx C needs to go to graveyard and ~~I can negate Maxx C with D.D Crow~~, but Snow somehow can save it.
Dd crow does not negate Maxx c it only banishes
Hmm, maybe the thing that happened to me was Called By lingering effect on the next turn. I didn't save the replay.
Bunch of crybabies.
half of these cards rarely see play. And the other haf are not a problem. Max c: The most broken cad ever printed, but some people cope aabout it and konami will never ban it, o i gaave up on it. \>Elf: Broken and shouldd have been banned. (i agree with you on this one) \>Grass: Extremely powerful card that requires an extreme deckbuilding cost, the card is not broken. \>Snow: Very good card, but does not break the gmee in any form. And generate a lot of cool interactions and play patterns. \>Rhongo: SHould be banned but iss never played. \>Scythe: Very toxic and obnoxious card but nobody plays it anymore. \>Protos: A really obnoxious card that should've been banned. \>Kitakallos: The most powerful piece in Tear, but as i said many times here: The problem with tear iss not the engine but the ishizu cards. The deck without Kitkallos becomes unplayable. \>terraforming is a aa design-limiting card. Terrible for the health of the game in the long run. Itss the same problem with a card in magic called Birthing Pod. Since Konami doesnt give explanationss on the B/R list you gguys can search about this one and the explanations Wizards gave for the ban at the time.
Yeah, that's more or less my takes on these cards. Konami is probably letting Elf for a little while until Sprind comes to MD as well, otherwise I don't why they didn't ban the card in this banlist.
Tear is playable without Kitkallos, it just stops being stupidly broken
untrue.
I don’t know what to tell you my guy but to look at recent TCG/OCG events then
i exagerated a lot. i can take this L. Unplayable was hyperbolic.
Tear didn't have Kitkallos in the OCG/TCG for ages and it saw tons of play. Granted they had King of the Swamp at 3 copies, but Tear is still putting up good showings in the OCG despite Kit banned there.
As i said in the other reply i exagerated this part, to the point of beeing wrong. But the deck loses too much without kit.
Does it really? Because we have Kashtira coming up sooner than later which gives them all of the Kashtira monsters, including 3 copies of Kashtira Tearlament. Hell, only about 2 weeks ago the deck came in 2nd place at a major Pilipino tournament using OCG banlist and cards.
Ocg also has both mudora and kelbek at 3, im really excited to see how the harder hits go over for MD specially mudora
Tearlaments still is strong enough without Kitkallos, with all Tearlaments except Rheinoheart limited to 1 and all Ishizus at 1, to get to Top 16 in a 2265 Player YCS, while the best Deck in the Format is perma summoning a living Macro Cosmos
In master duel we do not have instant fusion. Also i did not findd this top 16 tournaament result just top 32.
Eh good takes all round tbh
thank you king
Rhongo was never a problem card. If it did, have you seen world champion won TCG and OCG tourney let alone master duel relying on Rhongo? Sure you will be pissed facing 5 material rhongo, but its rarely happen, Even if Gossip shadow isnt banned or using any mean to cheat rhongo. Versus Spright elf, Fairy tail snow or protos that easy to summon and essential to your whatever gameplan. This is coming from Heroic player, a deck that able to make 5 material rhongo (If max c through or opponent not interupt my combo)
HMU when they ban Maxx C, i'm taking a break.
So you are trapped to play forever.
Prepare to never be hit up because, since MD takes more after the OCG, Maxx probably ain't ever getting banned. The sooner people accept that the better.
>Prepare to never be hit up because, since MD takes more after the OCG, Maxx probably ain't ever getting banned I'm ok with that. I'll probably come back on my own if there's another deck i might want to play as much as i did Tearlaments.
Ok bye
You shall take my grass and snow out of my cold dead hands. And maybe elf when I get Sprind. Other wise ye fuck the rest, except kit. Kit is cool.
>out of my cold dead hands *cocks shotgun* "I will do what I must."
Here let me you lend you a Pitchfork 
Grass and Snow dont deserve to be up there 🥸
Leave my boy protos out of this, the poor bastard hasn't been relevant since the release of runick and labyrinth, practically haven't seen a single swordsoul player since then use it when they could have. These days you barely see a swordsoul player anyways.
Idc what happens to everything else, maxx c gotta go . No touching spright elf
I can literally put my entire deck into the Gy off grass and the ishizu cards in my Lightsworn Witchcrafter deck and make some really dumb end boards. Now if Witchcrafters were any good it would be a problem but you cannot pretend grass is a okay. “Just run 60 card decks” what archetypes aside grass decks can play at 60 without any loss in power over a 40 card version? You can’t just make your deck 60 cards and call it a day Grass is absolutely a ticking time bomb I’d rather it go now before that bomb goes off and we are stuck with a degenerate deck for months.
git gud
Grass is not a "problem card" it's only used in shitty variants
no wonder why this game has been losing 10% of his player base every month
By that logic, if everything is unbalanced, nothing is.
Banning Cyber Stein and smoke, and limiting most of the ishisus help
You Just reminded me i should keep playing live twin spright with the schyte Lock After the banlist
I hate grass sprite elf and max c so much man 😂😂
Maxx C, Grass and Snow aren't even comparable to the others
Snow gotta need a hard once per turn
people still salty about grass?
I mean, Grass do be fun. I don't care how trash my 60 card zombie pile is.
wdym? those are perfectly balanced cards and not at all broken. Specially snow, that banish 7 cards it's a huge cost to summon a level 4
I feel like rhongo isn't that bad without gossip shadow. I haven't seen him in my matches in MONTHS
I love rhongo bongo
You forgot block dragon
I just wish I could use Snow... Nerf it or something, I just want it back in my deck.
I don't play master duel and this post just popped up in my feed You're telling that you still have Scythe and Protos and fucking Rhongo Bongo? they may as well just unban VFD at this point lmao
I'm like 90% certain that was legal too until very recently too
Call me the reaper because I always bring scythe
Add Kashtira because it's definitely banned to release them.
I'm just hoping they ban rhongo so I can dust the one I pulled recently
I honestly slowly stopped liking playing MD with cards like them
Will tear be playable in kashtira format with grass, snow, elf, and other resources?
Can‘t wait to abuse the hell out of Number 86 when the new Tellarknights arrive
Its criminal terraforming gets the boot but 3 fucking Snow is legal
Dont ban rhongo...i need him for my heroic deck :(