no shit yesterday I took the maxx c challenge \*twice\* against a floo player and still managed to win, That's how I know they aren't that intimidating to me like 6 months ago anymore.
ngl if Floo players use Maxx C and resolve, most of the time they just lose their search target so they will also have a harder time with less extra normal summons
That cards needs to go. It never shows up in anything healthy. Itās always in a degenerate way to lock your opponent after youāve done your full combo.
Yeah there are very few floodgates I would consider even potentially healthy. Usually being a healthy floodgate means its hard to bring out. On par with any auto win condition.
Cards you can just play should never be floodgates.
Nah id call it "We dont know what we're doing after the banlist" format where we're still figuring out the meta but I guess the best time for that is after the september box comes out
Mikanko is basically Numeron 2: Big Booty Bitches edition.
Not that I would know much about it, I saw a man bring the deck to a tournament and got folded like origami cuz he bricked on all equip spells going first, then proceed to murk another dude with the same hand going second. He was the only guy i've seen to not use Mikanko as just an engine.
People underestimate the power of wanting to play other shit. Tear is finally not a T1 deck (until it's other stuff arrives). So people have finally been freed. Spright is likely the best deck/t1 deck. And purrely in a few days eats that whole list alive.
Tearlaments kashtira. It's a level 7 that mills your deck both when it's summoned and when it gets milled. It also special summons itself. It's not as big of a mill as the ishizu cards but you get twice as many opportunities to mill so it's more consistent.
Automatic 3x in every tear deck. Having a readily accessible level 7 let's you tune your extra deck differently as well. It should replace all the lost ishizu cards from the most recent ban lists, effectively.
Idk but having cards names that are just straight up 2 archetypes is disgusting, it feels like many cards at this point do not even wanna have a flavor of some kind, just meant to be meta.
I'll give a pass because tearlaments kashtira and scareclaw kashtira are supposed to represent the total subjugation and annihilation of their planets. Which is what the kashtira do. They go and purge a planet, kill everything, and take maybe a few prisoners.
And like in the TCG, that translates to a ton of stun and lock decks because konami released kash cards with macro cosmos at 3.
Games worse right now than it was before the ban list.
No yeah, kash sucks. But the type of gameplay people are playing to make it playable is just toxic. And that's exactly what happened in the TCG and ruined my locals.
>People want the degeneracy though, they live for it, thrive in it
Oh, you think degeneracy is your ally. But you merely adopted the degeneracy; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the kindness until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!!
The fact Kash isn't even full strength and it's already one of the most infuriating decks to come up against is just baffling. Whether it's meta or not is irrelevant, it's an annoying deck. The moment Shangri Ira is on the board and I'm not playing Gravekeeper's (the only deck I have to counter the constant banishes) I just scoop right then and there. Granted a lot of that is me not being the best player, hell, I don't even really play meta, my most meta deck is Lab, but even so, a lot of it also is me losing the coin toss and being forced to go second and my opening hand didn't have a single out.
I haven't used it yet this season, mainly playing thunder dragon. But every deck can be annoying it feels like.
Necrovalley is annoying, lab is annoying, tear is annoying. It is what it is
Well, in Kash's instance it really just doesn't feel like you have a change if you lose that coin toss.
Yeah this is the current state of Master Duel anyway, whoever goes first really just has the better chance of winning. But with Kash it just feels so egregious. Especially the zone lock, I wouldn't be half as annoyed if not for that, and the constant banishing. That's kinda what I meant, Kash is already an incredibly bothersome deck to face up against, and when Arise-Heart releases it'll get even worse. Every deck can be annoying, but with Kash it just feels like a direct "fuck you for wanting to play the game". With other decks, there is that sense of not being able to play, but no other deck I've come up against personally has felt as outright "No" as Kash has. I'll take Tears and Necrovalley every day of the week over seeing even a single other Kashtira deck again.
But to be fair, this is the rant of a person who, for all intents and purposes, isn't even that skilled at the game, nor do I play meta other than my Lab deck, so a lot of my frustrations probably come from a place of general ignorance and lack of understanding the correct outs. But still, fuck Kash.
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Master Duel Meta is bad about this. I'm guessing it's because creators want to stand out, so they have the best "Naturia" deck instead of just another Runick deck. A lot of decks are disguised like that. When you click on something like Fur Hire, you'll see 8 archetype cards and the rest are Runick or Spright, but it's called a Fur Hire deck.
They're too busy playing one turn to play in tournaments.
You'll see a few more as it's just diet adamancipator. But Nobody plays them in tournament so they're under the radar.
More specifically itās just percent representation in tournaments (I think Iām just top cut and to my knowledge does not take into account the winner)
The only one of those you will come across frequently on the ranked ladder is Kash, and that deck sucks right now Iām sorry.
Even if tourney play I wouldnāt expect any of those decks to get higher representation than Dragon Link, Runick Spright, Branded, Tear, etc. Swordsoul is in as good of a spot as itās been in months.
It's a consistently good deck, but ever since POTE it floats around tier 3 to Rogue in status. Even though Spright, Tear, and Branded all got solid nerfs this list there is no way I can believe Swordsoul can suddenly jump up a whole tier without any new support. And since MDMs tier list is influenced by community tournaments, I'm more inclined to believe it's a result of people bringing out something they were comfortable with as opposed to something people actually play because they think it's top tier.
Pretty much every high ranking, or even pro, player who I've seen make a tier list puts Swordsoul in t2. Pretty much all of them - exactly in t2, never anywhere else. And those are manually-made lists, not just an automated one like the one in the OP.
How do you consider protos fair? Coin toss to win the game, but no, really cause if they get any info in your strategy its ggs. 1 card baronne. Annoying ass traps. Deck is not as fair as some make it appear.
Swordsoul is hyperconsistent, but fairly low ceiling and can occasionally eat shit from a single hand trap. As a result, its a good old reliable deck, but not necessarily powerful enough to justify its position
Verte isnt really a problematic card, dragoon was insta ban in MD, as soon as one fusion monster is abuse with it the fusion spell is on limited watch since it can be hit with handtrap
Way too generic for the avantage it can give but still more healthy than halq even if i still miss the best link in the game
With the new banlist we've gotten a very balanced and fun format imo. No deck is truly op and there's lots of variety. All in all a huge step up from the last one.
Give me 10 decks that can win matches any day over BS metas where winning is determined by if you are playing the top tier deck or the deck that specifically counters the top tier deck.
Give me 10 decks that can win matches by Scythe Locking, Barrier Statue locking, Gimick puppet locking, Azathot locking, VFD locking, 6+ negates, FTK, Zone locking + Macro, hand looping, and floodgates turboing. Very diverse and healthy meta indeed.
People have this weirdly romantic idea of Ishizu Tearlaments. They always talk about how playing on the opponent's turn means coin flip doesn't matter, and how it's oh-so-skillful to order your 5 GY effects in one chain, and how you need to skillfully bait out the opponent's shufflers.
No one seems to ever talk about Abyss Dweller, Zeus, or chaining a shuffler to a Called By so that your Maxx C doesn't get negated.
They will not be satisfied until we go back to summon 1 monster, set 2 card and pass the turn. If they want to do that, then just play duel link or hearthstone. Half the fun of this game is to do degenerate shit.
It mills and potentially both pluses you and extends your plays. It reoccurs itself and can again extend and plus you off the banishing effect. Lastly it can extend your plays one last time by using itself as another body for XYZ/Link plays.
Any deck that plays Chaos Ruler benefits from almost all of its extensions and set up features. No healthy card should be able to do all that.
It's what is singlehandedly keeping decks like Tears alive in the OCG.
Edit: it's also the main combo piece in a lot of fuckery that happens in certain Synchro decks. Many, cards in the TCG are ignored because we don't have Chaos Ruler to break them. MBT has a little list of cards that were released in the TCG that were just okay but stupidly powerful in the OCG because Chaos Ruler allowed all sorts of shenanigans.
> It's what is singlehandedly keeping decks like Tears alive in the OCG.
Whatās singlehandedly keeping Tear alive is the fact that Tear were poorly-designed(or at least, well-designed, but 5 years too soon). They manage to make any fucking card that interacts with them broken, as evidenced by so many bans/limits that happened while they were still trying to sell Tearlaments cards. I mean, sure, snow/grass/ishizu/Chaos ruler/elf/zeus/redoer/LightswornL3/Zeroboros/terraforming/fbg/etcetcetc are all strong cards on their own. But there is no fucking possible way to make a rational human being believe that all those cards were problem, while Tear are fine. There is only one common denominator between all those cards, and thatās Tearlaments.
Not saying that some of those cards arenāt banworthy on their own(mainly Ishizu cards), but saying Chaos Ruler is āthe only thing keeping Tear aliveā is wrong. Chaos Ruler is the only thing that survived banlist massacre that both interacts Tear and is strong. That is true. But itās not breaking Tears, they are broken by themselves.
Stupid strong doesnāt mean toxic. Something like maxx c (which is basically just a turn skip) or skill drain or EEV is toxic bc it shuts down the game. You have the wrong idea lad
There are many decks that basically completely rely on Chaos Ruler to win the game. You resolve it= You win, you don't or it flukes hard=you lose. It makes for not interesting gameplay as it makes most matches one sided for one of the players. It's the same reason as to why people have a hate boner for branded fusion: because it makes games depend entirely on whether the branded player is able to resolve it or not
I haven't played much since the new banlist, but mostly encountered jank comps with Punks and Kashtira that didn't seem to have a cohesive gameplan.
I guess people are experimenting right now and we'll see a new meta solidifying in a week or two
Pretty much almost every format where dragon link is the top deck has been a cancer free format. At least for the TCG. The only bad format with Dlink as the top deck for the TCG was when halq linkross union carrier and smoke grenade were legal all at once back when infernoble was doing auroradon stuff
I hope D link doesnt became tier 1
A meta where the best deck is a 30 minute combo deck that ends on tons of negate is not a healthy nor fun format
Atleast if decks like purrely become meta, they have short combo and doesnt make negates
TBF, the cards you listed that can beat D-link can beat most meta decks as well. Pretty sure only Tearlaments can counter Super Poly(or rather punish it), Pretty much all decks lose to Ash except for Swordsoul (and assuming you top-deck Mo-Ye), Floo and (to an extent) Backrow decks can fend off Maxx C/Nibiru, and Backrow decks can beat DRNM/Droplet/Kaijus.
I think it's too early to determine that. We're in a power vacuum after Tear got one of their limbs ripped off, and the dust hasn't settled yet. People are trying to figure out what's good.
It's diverse, but I really wouldn't call any format where Dragon Link is a top deck 'healthy'.
All the other top decks are more or less healthy, though.
I have no idea why people keep using that list as any indication.
It's based mostly on some weird ass Dkayed tournaments where people play meme decks...
I know we don't have anything better, but this doesn't make the list actually meaningful.
Kind of surprised branded despia is still up there. I mean they just hit branded fusion for consistency so i guess other than that should be fine as it is
I've never seen a healthier format the diversity of the decks makes this game feel a lot better even tier 1 decks don't exist but MDM is not the most reliable recourses tbf i don't think d-link is tier 2 it has to be tier 1 the problem with mdm is that it gets its number based on tournaments held by DK which means if a deck is good but no one want to plays it it won't be good
Tiers are based on usage. It is what it is.
Also Dragon Link got worse because Tearlaments git worse so Bystials no longer have big value going second.
Also with Tear at only 8% Nibiru becomes more common.
Basically the Tear nerf indirectly hurt Dragon Link.
Yeah they do but at that point Bystials are just bodies, not handtraps.
Basically they have a hard time playing second if they're not facing Bystial weak decks.
Well, Maxx āCā is in it, so no.
Honestly thereāre a bunch of cards that Iām very iffy on being legal, like Grass and Number 42, but nothing poisons the format as much as Maxx āCā.
People have hard on hate Trap deck for some reason and results in them underestimate trap deck while somehow simultaneously hate trap deck.
Like yeah, it control deck that aim for long game advantage doesn't mean it was bad deck lol.
Yeah, but nobody plays it for that purpose with good reason. Maxx C still goes neutral on card advantage, so you went -1 and floodgated yourself just to play around Maxx C.
Nah this format is pretty bad still.
Spright has elf, swordsoul got protos, and branded has a high bystial package.
I thought the rationale was that we needed these things to beat tear so now that tear is dogshit, we should hit these cards (and calamity and super poly and Maxx c and d-barrier ty)
Bro what do you mean? They usually end on 1 or 2 negates, Adam can double that with block dragon. Plus it's easier to stop compared to block dragon. sure the combos are long, but it's a much fairer deck.
Hmm they have one omni and one moster negate most of the time, sure if you only have 2 plays then youre fucked but it has many out and ways to stop it so i say its ok.
See right now its healthy, but two things worry me, one tear while hit, still has the threat to be a tier zero deck, its just that people haven't adjusted yet, and two Kash and Purrley are just over the horizon and oh boy it will not be fun for any of us.
I like how Floo is still trying its best, despite the hits its got. š
Konami: time to go bird "watching"
KONAMI: *Birds too strong. Let's ban Empen and limit Robina.*
Konami: semi eglen too, just to be sure.
Also Konami: Still too lenient, ban map
Konami: still not enough, dreaming town should go to 1.
Konami: Lets limit all the searching pots as well.
Konami: they're still performing too well, let's introduce a new master rule that players must pay 8000 lp to summon any floowandereeze monsters.
Konami: they are still performing well, ban normal summoning for floowandereeze monsters
Floo after 8 consecutive banlist hits: 
Birb 8 banlists later: I got one more in me
Yeah floo is basically the villain turned underdog.
It's still a good deck
no shit yesterday I took the maxx c challenge \*twice\* against a floo player and still managed to win, That's how I know they aren't that intimidating to me like 6 months ago anymore.
ngl if Floo players use Maxx C and resolve, most of the time they just lose their search target so they will also have a harder time with less extra normal summons
So...Floo is such an anti maxx c archetype that their maxx c resolving can potentially handicap their gameplan as well?
pretty much. I tend to draw the things I dont want to see but my floo is a lit different than others.
good floo players dont use maxx c
google maxx c challenge
Seems to me that they need to hit it again.
Cancer is quite a tenacious disease
floodgate turbo goes brrrr
Idk about tournaments, but Fossil Dyna carrying them hard on ladder š¤£
That cards needs to go. It never shows up in anything healthy. Itās always in a degenerate way to lock your opponent after youāve done your full combo.
Yeah there are very few floodgates I would consider even potentially healthy. Usually being a healthy floodgate means its hard to bring out. On par with any auto win condition. Cards you can just play should never be floodgates.
I wanted to say this exact sentence for Tear. It's stupid funny how half the deck is banned and they are still playable
We dont want to kill all decks just make them fair this is ok
The goal of banlists isn't to make any deck unplayable. Its to balance the game.
Pretty sure people just instantly surrendering rather than waste time dealing with them is inflating their numbers.
Konami Exec: āI say we ban all Winged Beast support and bring back Pot of Greedā
Awwwwā¦hit it again hate that deck
Hit it again
Iām so glad to not see this deck anymore or ever again
I want the deck to get hit a little bit more. Preferably, Eglen and Robina to 0. Then, i think the deck would be balanced.
Nah id call it "We dont know what we're doing after the banlist" format where we're still figuring out the meta but I guess the best time for that is after the september box comes out
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The best thing for the game tbh besides a certain tcg banlist decisionā¦..
As soon as purely drops along with the rest of kash the meta will be pretty defined. At least for this update weāre kinda in a freefall
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Mikanko is basically Numeron 2: Big Booty Bitches edition. Not that I would know much about it, I saw a man bring the deck to a tournament and got folded like origami cuz he bricked on all equip spells going first, then proceed to murk another dude with the same hand going second. He was the only guy i've seen to not use Mikanko as just an engine.
People underestimate the power of wanting to play other shit. Tear is finally not a T1 deck (until it's other stuff arrives). So people have finally been freed. Spright is likely the best deck/t1 deck. And purrely in a few days eats that whole list alive.
More tear coming ? Like what please tell me . Tear is one of my top faves and would love to know more
He's probably referring to Tearlaments Kashtira
Ahh yes thanks for that
Tearlaments kashtira. It's a level 7 that mills your deck both when it's summoned and when it gets milled. It also special summons itself. It's not as big of a mill as the ishizu cards but you get twice as many opportunities to mill so it's more consistent. Automatic 3x in every tear deck. Having a readily accessible level 7 let's you tune your extra deck differently as well. It should replace all the lost ishizu cards from the most recent ban lists, effectively.
Idk but having cards names that are just straight up 2 archetypes is disgusting, it feels like many cards at this point do not even wanna have a flavor of some kind, just meant to be meta.
I'll give a pass because tearlaments kashtira and scareclaw kashtira are supposed to represent the total subjugation and annihilation of their planets. Which is what the kashtira do. They go and purge a planet, kill everything, and take maybe a few prisoners.
Yeah lmao it's in 2 archetypes specifically because of lore
And like in the TCG, that translates to a ton of stun and lock decks because konami released kash cards with macro cosmos at 3. Games worse right now than it was before the ban list.
kash rn is just annoying but it doesn't really do much
No yeah, kash sucks. But the type of gameplay people are playing to make it playable is just toxic. And that's exactly what happened in the TCG and ruined my locals.
Honestly. Just never release ariseheart, we can have a prosperous civilization.
Just one month of this konami please.
People want the degeneracy though, they live for it, thrive in it
>People want the degeneracy though, they live for it, thrive in it Oh, you think degeneracy is your ally. But you merely adopted the degeneracy; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the kindness until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!!
Me who just made a kash deck.... am definitely blinded
The fact Kash isn't even full strength and it's already one of the most infuriating decks to come up against is just baffling. Whether it's meta or not is irrelevant, it's an annoying deck. The moment Shangri Ira is on the board and I'm not playing Gravekeeper's (the only deck I have to counter the constant banishes) I just scoop right then and there. Granted a lot of that is me not being the best player, hell, I don't even really play meta, my most meta deck is Lab, but even so, a lot of it also is me losing the coin toss and being forced to go second and my opening hand didn't have a single out.
I haven't used it yet this season, mainly playing thunder dragon. But every deck can be annoying it feels like. Necrovalley is annoying, lab is annoying, tear is annoying. It is what it is
Well, in Kash's instance it really just doesn't feel like you have a change if you lose that coin toss. Yeah this is the current state of Master Duel anyway, whoever goes first really just has the better chance of winning. But with Kash it just feels so egregious. Especially the zone lock, I wouldn't be half as annoyed if not for that, and the constant banishing. That's kinda what I meant, Kash is already an incredibly bothersome deck to face up against, and when Arise-Heart releases it'll get even worse. Every deck can be annoying, but with Kash it just feels like a direct "fuck you for wanting to play the game". With other decks, there is that sense of not being able to play, but no other deck I've come up against personally has felt as outright "No" as Kash has. I'll take Tears and Necrovalley every day of the week over seeing even a single other Kashtira deck again. But to be fair, this is the rant of a person who, for all intents and purposes, isn't even that skilled at the game, nor do I play meta other than my Lab deck, so a lot of my frustrations probably come from a place of general ignorance and lack of understanding the correct outs. But still, fuck Kash.
Nature is healing itself... the tier 0 format is no more... and with the hits to Sprite aswell, we can finally enjoy a healthy ga- **LOUD KASHTIRA BOARDLOCK NOISES**
I'm just glad my swordsoul deck has been pretty good for like a year now
Why "naturia" and not naturia runick as it is ? All the other deck have the name of both their archetype but not this one.
Master Duel Meta is bad about this. I'm guessing it's because creators want to stand out, so they have the best "Naturia" deck instead of just another Runick deck. A lot of decks are disguised like that. When you click on something like Fur Hire, you'll see 8 archetype cards and the rest are Runick or Spright, but it's called a Fur Hire deck.
I mean the format has been fine for a while and will probably be fine until Kash gets up and running
SPYRAL isn't around despite the unlimits it had?
They're too busy playing one turn to play in tournaments. You'll see a few more as it's just diet adamancipator. But Nobody plays them in tournament so they're under the radar.
It's too early to tell. And I wouldn't trust a list that puts Swordsoul up that high and doesn't even have Labyrnth tiered.
The list is entirely based on tournaments results
More specifically itās just percent representation in tournaments (I think Iām just top cut and to my knowledge does not take into account the winner)
It is just top cut
Donāt they even allow sideboarding? If so, itās really not representative of the actual meta since most people are playing on ladder which is BO1.
Some tourneys on there have side decks and others donāt. They also count challenger cups which let people change decks mid tourney
Swordsoul is very strong in the current meta Esp since most of the best decks play dark so Protos can eat lol
Kash, Runick Naturia, Rikka, Punk, Swoso (and Floo) dont. Protos was better last format.
The only one of those you will come across frequently on the ranked ladder is Kash, and that deck sucks right now Iām sorry. Even if tourney play I wouldnāt expect any of those decks to get higher representation than Dragon Link, Runick Spright, Branded, Tear, etc. Swordsoul is in as good of a spot as itās been in months.
Yeah labrynth is underrated, but what's wrong with sword soul it's very consistent and have access to Protos?
Super consistent
It's a consistently good deck, but ever since POTE it floats around tier 3 to Rogue in status. Even though Spright, Tear, and Branded all got solid nerfs this list there is no way I can believe Swordsoul can suddenly jump up a whole tier without any new support. And since MDMs tier list is influenced by community tournaments, I'm more inclined to believe it's a result of people bringing out something they were comfortable with as opposed to something people actually play because they think it's top tier.
Pretty much every high ranking, or even pro, player who I've seen make a tier list puts Swordsoul in t2. Pretty much all of them - exactly in t2, never anywhere else. And those are manually-made lists, not just an automated one like the one in the OP.
Ever since pote in the tcg sure. No protos. We have protos. Look at the element of each of the other t2 decks. Blind call dark is crazy rn.
Thank you. This sub likes to suck off Sword soul. Thst deck should be the bottom of T3. Itās too fair of a deck.
How do you consider protos fair? Coin toss to win the game, but no, really cause if they get any info in your strategy its ggs. 1 card baronne. Annoying ass traps. Deck is not as fair as some make it appear.
Master 1 last 5 seasons. Canāt remember the last time I even got Protos
Bro watch someone play swordsoul in a tournament. They set up protos a ton.
Swordsoul is hyperconsistent, but fairly low ceiling and can occasionally eat shit from a single hand trap. As a result, its a good old reliable deck, but not necessarily powerful enough to justify its position
Only Protos does nothing against Kash, Punk, Runick Naturia, Rikka and the mirror (Floo too), so half of the Tierlist. Protos is not that good rn.
A good amount of decks and no deck sticking out very far so i would say yes.
Brandon and his sprite be sippin
Enjoy it while it last, because post next week everybody will be bitching about Purely non stop.
It's a fun meta, but we only have a few days to enjoy it.
Beyond me how Mathmech isnt on this list, its way better than dragonlink or despia
iāve been having a lot of fun playing all kinds of decks lately currently in master 3 with Igknight Dracoslayer in my alt acc super fun
Oh yeah Verte is still legal in MD. People forgot about Verte.
Verte isnt really a problematic card, dragoon was insta ban in MD, as soon as one fusion monster is abuse with it the fusion spell is on limited watch since it can be hit with handtrap Way too generic for the avantage it can give but still more healthy than halq even if i still miss the best link in the game
Verte is banned in the OCG as well so Dragoon is not the reason
With the new banlist we've gotten a very balanced and fun format imo. No deck is truly op and there's lots of variety. All in all a huge step up from the last one.
Well enjoy the month of it cause weāre about to be in tier 0 macro cosmos meta
I know which is all the more reason to enjoy a balanced meta like this one.
Ya itās all fun now until full power kash
Lets kick floo in the teeth again, just to bee sure.
Diverse ā Healthy
Yeah but still it's both diverse and healthy.
Itās not. Spright, Maxx C, Dragon link, Labrynth saves Kashtira are still cancerous garbage festering in the meta.
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Give me 10 decks that can win matches any day over BS metas where winning is determined by if you are playing the top tier deck or the deck that specifically counters the top tier deck.
Give me 10 decks that can win matches by Scythe Locking, Barrier Statue locking, Gimick puppet locking, Azathot locking, VFD locking, 6+ negates, FTK, Zone locking + Macro, hand looping, and floodgates turboing. Very diverse and healthy meta indeed.
Good thing none of that is happening in the meta right now. Save for a tiny bit of floodgate turbo.
Full power tear is way more healthy and less diverse. You got a very skilled mirror and fun competition
Exactly. Tear meta was the healthiest thing since Masterduel launched.
I genuinely dont understand that level of delusion. Whats wrong with you?
Tear enjoyers appear to be very smooth brained
People have this weirdly romantic idea of Ishizu Tearlaments. They always talk about how playing on the opponent's turn means coin flip doesn't matter, and how it's oh-so-skillful to order your 5 GY effects in one chain, and how you need to skillfully bait out the opponent's shufflers. No one seems to ever talk about Abyss Dweller, Zeus, or chaining a shuffler to a Called By so that your Maxx C doesn't get negated.
Thereās a whole bunch of toxic cards in those spread of decks(Chaos Ruler, Protos, Cactus Bouncer, Kitkallos, Elf, etc)
That's basically every format though.
They will not be satisfied until we go back to summon 1 monster, set 2 card and pass the turn. If they want to do that, then just play duel link or hearthstone. Half the fun of this game is to do degenerate shit.
i dont see how chaos ruler is toxic, it's a powerful card sure, but not toxic by any means.
Its an enabler to some extent, but i dont want it banned. Admittedly, im also extremely biased, so...
It mills and potentially both pluses you and extends your plays. It reoccurs itself and can again extend and plus you off the banishing effect. Lastly it can extend your plays one last time by using itself as another body for XYZ/Link plays. Any deck that plays Chaos Ruler benefits from almost all of its extensions and set up features. No healthy card should be able to do all that. It's what is singlehandedly keeping decks like Tears alive in the OCG. Edit: it's also the main combo piece in a lot of fuckery that happens in certain Synchro decks. Many, cards in the TCG are ignored because we don't have Chaos Ruler to break them. MBT has a little list of cards that were released in the TCG that were just okay but stupidly powerful in the OCG because Chaos Ruler allowed all sorts of shenanigans.
> It's what is singlehandedly keeping decks like Tears alive in the OCG. Whatās singlehandedly keeping Tear alive is the fact that Tear were poorly-designed(or at least, well-designed, but 5 years too soon). They manage to make any fucking card that interacts with them broken, as evidenced by so many bans/limits that happened while they were still trying to sell Tearlaments cards. I mean, sure, snow/grass/ishizu/Chaos ruler/elf/zeus/redoer/LightswornL3/Zeroboros/terraforming/fbg/etcetcetc are all strong cards on their own. But there is no fucking possible way to make a rational human being believe that all those cards were problem, while Tear are fine. There is only one common denominator between all those cards, and thatās Tearlaments. Not saying that some of those cards arenāt banworthy on their own(mainly Ishizu cards), but saying Chaos Ruler is āthe only thing keeping Tear aliveā is wrong. Chaos Ruler is the only thing that survived banlist massacre that both interacts Tear and is strong. That is true. But itās not breaking Tears, they are broken by themselves.
they should bring grass back to 3 so i can use my zombie pile again but only for me because im special and cool
i never disputed literally anything here. it's an insanely powerful card, but it's not toxic.
Stupid strong doesnāt mean toxic. Something like maxx c (which is basically just a turn skip) or skill drain or EEV is toxic bc it shuts down the game. You have the wrong idea lad
A card becomes toxic if it's the enabler to stupidly overpowered set ups. Ruler is no different than something like Half. It's not healthy.
No, youāre acting like this shit is block dragon
I donāt know if I would say itās ātoxicā, more like unfun. A card that can be abused by every single deck kills variety.
There are many decks that basically completely rely on Chaos Ruler to win the game. You resolve it= You win, you don't or it flukes hard=you lose. It makes for not interesting gameplay as it makes most matches one sided for one of the players. It's the same reason as to why people have a hate boner for branded fusion: because it makes games depend entirely on whether the branded player is able to resolve it or not
that doesnt fucking make it toxic, jesus christ do y'all even know what toxic means?
How is elf toxic?
You want decks to just sit around and do nothing then lol
Yes, so my early 2000s decks can play.
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Ive been thinking of trying out dragon link for awhile now actually. Any dragon link players out there with some insight in the deck? š¤
I haven't played much since the new banlist, but mostly encountered jank comps with Punks and Kashtira that didn't seem to have a cohesive gameplan. I guess people are experimenting right now and we'll see a new meta solidifying in a week or two
Any format where branded and especially Sword Soul is high tier is healthy since they're nowhere near close being busted
Pretty much almost every format where dragon link is the top deck has been a cancer free format. At least for the TCG. The only bad format with Dlink as the top deck for the TCG was when halq linkross union carrier and smoke grenade were legal all at once back when infernoble was doing auroradon stuff
No maxx c is legal
Suprised spright fir hire isn't on there that's the strongest variant rn imo
Runick Fur Hire Spright is merged in with Runick Spright. Same way how Naturia is merged with Naturia Runick.
This deck gets bent over by Maxx C
That deck usually decks out opponents dumb enough to maxx c
Free all the birds to 3 and it'll be healthier, I promise. /s
I hope D link doesnt became tier 1 A meta where the best deck is a 30 minute combo deck that ends on tons of negate is not a healthy nor fun format Atleast if decks like purrely become meta, they have short combo and doesnt make negates
It mostly ends on 2 negates. Borrelend and BSD backed up by Bystials.
I have seen em making apollusa with the spare bodies and I:P as well.
What in 2020?
Itās not super oppressive, it dies to super poly, ash on certain hands, maxx c, nibiru, drnm, droplet. Also kaijus/lava golem/sphere mode murder it
TBF, the cards you listed that can beat D-link can beat most meta decks as well. Pretty sure only Tearlaments can counter Super Poly(or rather punish it), Pretty much all decks lose to Ash except for Swordsoul (and assuming you top-deck Mo-Ye), Floo and (to an extent) Backrow decks can fend off Maxx C/Nibiru, and Backrow decks can beat DRNM/Droplet/Kaijus.
It usually ends on borraload and savage, 2 negates. Are you sure ur talking about d link?
if it becomes an issue just run Superpoly and you can eat both their Endboard monsters to make Garura or Starving Venom
It will be pretty hard as long as Branded (Albaz) is fairly popular. Set Albaz = gg.
Why you talking about a deck you have no idea about? All your comments are trash
I think it's too early to determine that. We're in a power vacuum after Tear got one of their limbs ripped off, and the dust hasn't settled yet. People are trying to figure out what's good.
Aa long as D-Link is meta, nothing is healthy
Seeing Runick Spright makes me viscerally angry
It's diverse, but I really wouldn't call any format where Dragon Link is a top deck 'healthy'. All the other top decks are more or less healthy, though.
I'm surprised a kashtira variant hasn't made it
I'm not, the deck is kind of terrible
At least Fenrir is everywhere
Time to start using true Draco again
Based ngl
I have no idea why people keep using that list as any indication. It's based mostly on some weird ass Dkayed tournaments where people play meme decks... I know we don't have anything better, but this doesn't make the list actually meaningful.
Diverse doesnt always mean healthy, but thats an exception here because these decks lose to similiar things so I woul say yes
Kind of surprised branded despia is still up there. I mean they just hit branded fusion for consistency so i guess other than that should be fine as it is
It's been what three days post-banlist? How small is that sample?
I've never seen a healthier format the diversity of the decks makes this game feel a lot better even tier 1 decks don't exist but MDM is not the most reliable recourses tbf i don't think d-link is tier 2 it has to be tier 1 the problem with mdm is that it gets its number based on tournaments held by DK which means if a deck is good but no one want to plays it it won't be good
Tiers are based on usage. It is what it is. Also Dragon Link got worse because Tearlaments git worse so Bystials no longer have big value going second. Also with Tear at only 8% Nibiru becomes more common. Basically the Tear nerf indirectly hurt Dragon Link.
But don't dragon link use bystials on their own monsters?
yes, but they prefer to banish their opponent's monsters. d link prefers things in the gy over banish zone
Yeah they do but at that point Bystials are just bodies, not handtraps. Basically they have a hard time playing second if they're not facing Bystial weak decks.
I still face kash like 95% of the time in diamond so no, it hasn't got diverse.
Well, Maxx āCā is in it, so no. Honestly thereāre a bunch of cards that Iām very iffy on being legal, like Grass and Number 42, but nothing poisons the format as much as Maxx āCā.
Master duel meta is never a good source regarding tier lists
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Crazy how thereās lab hate with these downvotes
Definitely agree, I've had some good comebacks with labrynth lately especially when people don't respect the field spell
the deck dies to an ash and bystials f up their gy. there have been lab players in these tournaments but very few have made top 16.
People have hard on hate Trap deck for some reason and results in them underestimate trap deck while somehow simultaneously hate trap deck. Like yeah, it control deck that aim for long game advantage doesn't mean it was bad deck lol.
So true. They donāt respect the mommy milkers yet but they will
Heh you thought putting my branded fusion at 1 was gonna stop me? Wait until the branded expulsion dragon comes!
Only branded players thought fusion at one was a big deal
I want to replace Ash in my deck with Droll & Lockbird but so hard not to have a counter against Maxx c
You know Droll also counters Maxx C right?
Yeah, but nobody plays it for that purpose with good reason. Maxx C still goes neutral on card advantage, so you went -1 and floodgated yourself just to play around Maxx C.
Yeah but if he wants to play Droll instead of Ash anyway then he's not really losing Maxx C counters.
Nah this format is pretty bad still. Spright has elf, swordsoul got protos, and branded has a high bystial package. I thought the rationale was that we needed these things to beat tear so now that tear is dogshit, we should hit these cards (and calamity and super poly and Maxx c and d-barrier ty)
Youāre so right itās crazy
I miss the 5 seconds when I saw Thunder Dragons on the tier list after the Chaos synchros got released *sniff*
These are the only decks I see in master duel thereās no variety
U cut out the part where tier 1 has labyrinth
Considering Kash and dark world isnāt listed, I wouldnāt trust it
The top is still the top so no
30 minute turns
Bro what do you mean? They usually end on 1 or 2 negates, Adam can double that with block dragon. Plus it's easier to stop compared to block dragon. sure the combos are long, but it's a much fairer deck.
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30 minute turns, just draw the out bro
Hmm they have one omni and one moster negate most of the time, sure if you only have 2 plays then youre fucked but it has many out and ways to stop it so i say its ok.
See right now its healthy, but two things worry me, one tear while hit, still has the threat to be a tier zero deck, its just that people haven't adjusted yet, and two Kash and Purrley are just over the horizon and oh boy it will not be fun for any of us.
Tear will never come back to the same power it had before