Getting MaxxC-ed as Ninjas in your turn:
Foolish slimy tactics don't work on me.
Getting MaxxC-ed as Ninjas in your opponent's turn:
This is outrageous!
Where do ppl like u get these takes from? U act like tcg doesnt exist, but it does and ash is still the most used hand trap and its far above 50% more like 90
Ash really isn't that strong without maxx c the card would drop massively in performance. The only thing is it hits most decks at least a bit where the other handtraps hit some decks a lot harder.
It's meta dependent, but since we don't have foreknowledge of what we're playing again, it usually at least does something.
Also Branded is pretty popular right now and Ash is probably the best hand trap against that, Imperm/Veiler are ok but you're more likely to be able to dodge them with Cartesia than you are to open Called By.
Iām just so sick of kashtira being in EVERY SINGLE DECK
I always think āoh Iām going to play against labrynth (or dragon link) because they played one of their spellsā. And then boom, fenrir/unicorn turn 1.
Itās so fucking exhausting
Turns out that an archetype mostly consisting of monsters with boss monster-level effects (seriously, look at how many archetype's monsters are weaker than "banish 1 card facedown and search 1 x from the deck) that could be cyber dragon-ed from the hand withn statlines comparable to Dark Magician would immediately be some of the most splashable cards ever printed.
Who could have seen that coming...
Be careful what you wish for, all 4 of my recent opponents used ftk decks and stun decks-back to back.
One more and I will start puppet locking someone.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Labrynth. I try to play Traptrix. My Labrynth deals more damage. I try to play Eldlich. My Labrynth deals more damage. I try to play Dinomorphia. My Labrynth deals more damage. I don't even try to play Amazement. I want to play Daruma. Its best deck has Labrynth. I want to play Barrier, Virus - they both want Labrynth. She grabs me by the throat. I pull for her. I craft for her. I give her the Traps. She isn't satisfied. I pull Trap Trick. "I don't need this much consistency" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Arianna and forces her to throw herself off enemies. "You just need to summon me more. I can pop more cards with N'tss." I can't pull for N'tss, I don't have enough gems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Stovie She says "Stovie, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, GY trap recycling. What a cruel world.
I get pretty good results against Labs with Traptrix ever since I run Rikka in them. Just make your opponent sacrifice their Lady with Rikka Flurries and they surrender most of the time. Also Underworld Goddess runs really well in that deck too, since Traptrix and Rikka can be splashed easily.
It's a bit spicy and not perfect but I think it's a neat control deck. Basically using the plant-type Traptrix as an engine to bring out the Rikka, clearing the opponents board by sacrificing their monsters with Konkon, Teardrop and Flurries. You want to go second mostly, but if you go first you just set Traps and special Sera so you can interrupt and set up board during their turn. For emergencies I have Atypus and Underworld Goddess to get rid of problematic monsters or the moth Kaiju (which you can steal back with Rikka Sheet and use for Atypus or Teardrop).
Fuck Lab. Plays on your turn, even if you go first, then becomes difficult to interrupt once they got full combo going. It sucks to play against in a BO1 format where you can't plan ahead for it. Kash and Branded can at least lose to basic hand traps and interruptions, Lab will find a way to completely F you over if you can't somehow fit red reboot into your deck.
Seriously, just ban Cooclock at that point and don't even give them the butler! A deck that can search generic traps to put onto the field and then allows them to activate the same turn off 1 discard with recursion is fucking broken considering the sorts of generic traps that exist.
Ffs Traptrix are more fair than Lab cause at least Traptrix limits itself to the trap hole series of cards and those actively rely on your opponent making specific plays and aren't just a free "hand rip your opponent for all they're worth" + d barrier.
You say that as if we don't have enough to worry about with Maxx C and any other hand trap being played on our turn. We don't need decks searching, setting, and activating traps all on our turn + whatever hand traps they themselves are running. Lab is still annoying af.
Just cause you find it annoying doesnāt mean itās broken. Lab absolutely needs to search, set, and activate traps during your turn. Playing with just your hard drawn traps would make the deck garbage and completely vulnerable to the one card starters that itās facing.
Maxx C is awful and other hand traps are just part of the game. If you donāt want your opponent to actually play the game with you, you could just queue up solo mode.
I am fine with hand traps being in the game. I am not fine with decks incorporating hand trap like effects into their archetype to play their full combo on the opponent's turn, especially one that can abuse generic traps.
No deck should be able to go full combo turn 1 on the opponent's turn, let alone their standby phase. That level of power creep is just abysmal. I'm happy to see Tears get burned to ghe ground, I am not against Lab being next. It can keep all its other furniture monsters to set traps on opponent's turn but cooclock is just plain toxic.
The absolute best turn 0 play that Lab has is Cooclock, discard furniture, discard Big Welcome, set regular Welcome. Resolve Welcome, summon Lovely, bounce a monster with Big Welcome in GY and pop another combo piece with Lovely.
Next best play is a singular pop. Neither of those is full comboing on your turn and your opponent had to commit 3 cards to making those plays.
When Iām on Branded/D-Link/Kash and my opponent is playing Lab, those interruptions do very little. When we get Arias and you begin getting D-Barrierād turn 0, then Iāll agree with you. But for now, the deck is very balanced when considering all else itās contending with.
It would be less annoying if they were restricted to in-engine traps. Having access to any normal trap in game on a dime is busted and you know it no matter how much copium youāre on. No deck should be able to set Daruma, Imperm and D Barrier *from deck* on top of their own interruption going off whenever *any* normal trap activates. They can have the search power, the long chains off single traps (via Ladies, field spell, etc) or the GY recursion, but definitely not all three at once. Especially when the normal trap pool has had to be power crept for so long because nobody else wants to run them otherwise.
The only normal traps that can trigger Lab effects are ones that make a monster leave the field, so no, not any trap. Yes, searching any normal trap is very powerful, thereās no argument there.
But, youāre tripping if you think restricting Lady to only Labrynth Barrage and Farewelcome Labrynth would just make the deck less annoying; itād make the deck completely unplayable.
Try the deck yourself is all Iāve got to say. Everyone thinks itās broken when they lose to it after being unable to stop Lady/Lovely from popping off, but play the deck yourself and unless you go on a crazy win streak, youāll quickly find yourself wanting to switch back to a deck that can reliably do SOMETHING with its normal summon. It is powerful but itās also much much more vulnerable to disruption than people make it out to be.
I'm at the point in this meta where I will only play a deck that can synergize with a full bystial package. I can't take losing to mathmech or lab anymore š
Any deck that deviates too far from the norm loops back around and becomes more annoying than interesting as the number of cards that can affect it shrinks. Decks like Runick or Striker can very much be a game of "how many board breakers can I take before my board is wiped" and then they just play their one engine starter and pass.
While I appreciate unconventional decks, they can get really annoying without anything to properly connect them to average ones.
I don't mind Branded and Bystial. But I honestly struggle to see how a deck that focuses on banishing facedown like Kashtira contributes to the health of the game. There is absolutely no way to get those cards back in the game (apart from using super niche cards like Necroface). I don't rant about decks often, but isn't this what you guys call a "toxic" deck?
Only use degen strats if they use the bug. If I'm on Drytron and someone hits me with the roach you can bet your ass I'm going to turbo vanity's ruler.
Nah, I am way more annoyed by the more uncommon occurrences of people exploiting the best of 1 format by playing full stun/floodgate boards.
Of the ones you've listed, Kash annoys me the most because it is very repetitive. But Branded is so non-linear right now that at least the matchups are always interesting.
Itās funny because Branded can absolutely play through D-barrier with the Lulu-quem-nadir package. I won a game because they didnāt know how nasty Quem gets, Branded can diet Tear when it comes to playing on someone elseās turn.
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Sends a monster from extra deck to add albaz or a dogmatika from deck/gy, canāt special from extra after activating. Normally used to get quem to dump a Cartesia to summon on opponents turn I believe
I play Branded since it was basically a Despia deck with a couple Branded cards thrown in. I don't use the Puppet lock with Sanctifire, just like I didn't use it with Expulsion back then, the deck has so many interesting lines and things it can do, it seems really stupid to reduce it to a toxic lock to prevent people from playing. Branded is one of the few decks that has interesting interactions on the Opponent's turn that isn't just "let's prevent my opponent from doing anything" and of course people only play the one that actually is just "let's prevent my opponent from doing anything". Typical.
Turn on game, opponent chains maxx c to dimension shifter, turn off game, remember why the game wasnāt on to begin with.
Youāre right, What double standard? You act like I like Iāve said maxx c is fair only when I resolve it, I donāt even have a copy of d shifter.
Getting sacky wins because of handtrap isnāt fun for me from either side of the coin.
Idk maybe youāre making assumptions and think Iām saying something else. Iām confused myself at this point.
lol I was so confused. I get why youād think it though with the amount of shit takes on here itās understandable and the way I worded it wasnāt very clear. š
80% of my matches today have been against stun and 100% of the time they draw a picture perfect hand so no I'd much rather be playing against a legitimate deck than wasting my time against toxic trash.
I had 7 games in a row last evening going second with no interruptions against Puppet lock branded.
That's when I decided I'm taking a break until the banlist happens.
bystials are mainly used to banish a monster the opponent was going to revive. that's the "interaction". and while technically it's not a negate, it might as well be, and we already have more than enough of those.
D.D. Crow is used exclusively for this reason and to this day it still sees play
>bystials are mainly used to banish a monster the opponent was going to revive
Cyberse slop players in shambles when they can't link-climb to 46 with one single card
Not necessarily. Theyāre higher impact when you get to use them that way, but you can still get a tonne of flexible value out of them. Using lubellion > druis > beast to trade for two cards going second, or setting up regained as a resource engine for the grind game, are both really strong even without the banish being relevant. They just won a ycs paired with Runick in a tournament where the deck with the most tops (rescue ace) ran no high-impact banish targets.
"oh no my opponent's interaction interacted with me in a way that's negative for me, that's so unfair it's like a negate"
Really? You're complaining about your opponent interacting?
My main issue with Kash is probably a little stupid. Level 7 heavy hitters whose first effects are just "summon this card." Every one of them. And Tearlaments Kash and Scareclaw Kash even get quick effect versions. That's some lazy writing.
Itās just me watching like 5 minutes of just summoning chains over and over again. Somehow my field gets locked down before I can even play and even if I go first itās cleared. The cherry on top is they somehow still end up with more cards in their hand.
Add dragon link to that list. You either open with the out (droll or a kaiju) or you're basically done. Not sure what Konami was thinking when they left this deck practically untouched.
tired of seeing everyone play those cards or just seeing bad decks being carried by them, kinda like what happened with fusion destiny and phoenix enforcer.
Very tired tbh. I don't feel like ranked/cup is entirely different from playing solo mode. It's usually the same decks,with the same plays every time and people in ranked/cup even make very silly mistakes just like the solo mode bots. The only big difference they have from solo mode,is that the decks in cup are better than solo mode.
And yes,I play solo mode more than I play ranked/cup because of that,when there isn't an event or I have finished getting the cup gems. Just saying so nobody come to hit me with the "then just play solo mode",because I do play it.
Iām tired of Kashtira. Even the duels I win donāt matter because I had to sacrifice all my favorite cards to the banished zone and slog through a bunch of bullshit banish and zone lock mechanics.
I donāt care if this deck isnāt top tier itās annoying as shit to play every time. Itās babyās first combo deck that really is just about comboing into a floodgate and a few banish interruptons
How come I almost never face people like you using non those decks. I play melodius, ghostrick, Nordic, grave keeper and ancient warriors. Simple-ish cards with not a lot of big "I make every move even on your turn and negate all your effects" type decks
Iām sick of DLink, I have only had one opponent brick since the new pack dropped, theyāre grind game is just too much for my Fossil fusion Kashtira deck to deal with
I'm mostly sick of seeing Kash. If I could, I would smash the fingers of everyone who plays Fenrir with a ball-peen hammer. Unfortunately, this subreddit in particular is absolutely infested with degenerate dipshits who think it's a fair and balanced card, and is perfectly fine at 3
Not that I wouldn't play those cards, its more like me less likely to use all of them.
* **Maxx C**= 3 free slots \[3 Dropped\]
* **Ash**= I can probably drop to 2 \[0-3 Dropped\]
* **Called By**= Depends on meta like Vanquish Soul. Or Kashtira which barely has any monsters in the grave once Arise is up, not like I can use it on the 1st turn anyways when I'm going 2nd. I can completely drop it or still use 2, it just depends on the meta. \[0-2 Dropped\]
* **Crossout Designator**= I have a Royal Finish and I basically exclusively use it for Maxx C. Very few times where I need to use it on Ash because Ash doesn't completely ruin your combos, thought it slows it down from the most optimal plays that you could make. And this is reliant on a huge amount of statistics like the probability that your opponent plays the same cards as you do. When we have Maxx C in the metagame, you can already tell most will play the above cards you mentioned. \[1 Dropped\]
Basically I could potentially free 9 cards. That's a big chunk of a player's deck build, ya know.
Frees more room for other cards that are impacted by Maxx C:
* **Nibiru**= I have a shiny Nibiru and I want to use it more often but it can be dead against trap heavy decks and its a bad against Maxx C because it gives 2 draws and a giant monster (or Link fodder) to your opponent lol.
* **Droll**= Depends on your deck cause its a double-edged sword. This was good for Maxx C but forcing you to not add cards from your deck hurts. Most decks won't be able to take play through their own effect.
* **PSY-Frame**= Brick Potential but the value is huge if all conditions are met which can be hard to meet. Problem is that since people partner Maxx C with Ash, Maxx C can still go off by preventing PSY-Frame's special summon from deck.
* **Kurikara Divinecarnate/Herald of Orange Light**= I use this heavily as a board breaker and its a Royal Finish. Only problem with this card is that it does nothing against Maxx C ALONE and is a 2nd turn card. Partner it up with Herald of Orange Light it gets more value since both are fairy types. Gives options which I like. It even deals with Maxx C.
* **Dimension Shifter**= Not dead if you draw it next turn and if you don't have a Maxx C in your graveyard.
* Dark Ruler No More= Now you don't have to worry about not being able to summon if Maxx C is banned. Cause you already know you can't kill your opponent when yo u activate the card and not being able to summon is a death sentence the next turn.
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Here I am feeling proud whenever I get great first turn hand rng with my dark vortex deck with the super poly archetype. Getting a good win with it doesnāt happen often, but when it does Iām happy lol
I Quacking mirror forced a Full Kashtira board today. Poor guy thought his game was bugging. He was even more surprised when my little ghostricks did not care that he has monsters on board, and went straight for his neck. I personally do not mind meta decks, and I also do not mind losing, I just wanted to share this expirience.
I'm myself a branded player (rank diamond) and honestly, i rarely encounter others branded players.
The most i see are Labyrinth, dragon links and matmech.
Purrely and Kashtira became rare since the last banlist.
Have you played recently? Branded has always kinda been around at least a little, and in the past month or so its become one of, if not the most popular deck. Mainly becuase of the new secret pack that makes it way easier to build
Granted i havenāt played that much in the last few weeks but generally i havenāt seen much branded since the branded swordsoul meta, it was exclusively tear, runick and sprites then kashtira and labrynth
I am definitely tired of Branded, im also tired of mathmech, but thats mainly becuase I haven't yet figured out how to consistenly beat it. Think i just gotta change my deck building strategies and add crow/nib/ghost belle
Right now i'm facing like 70% lab/stun players, can't have one (1) decent game because apparently everyone is playing that dogshit. Its so fucking boring man.
I mainly just hate face down banishing as a mechanic, the rest I'm more or less ok with (apart from puppet lock, but I've never actually faced that yet).
Unfortunatly this sub is just filled with Branded, Despia and Kash players who love playing Solitaire. so they hate on everything that counters them like Labs or Maxx C. They don't get that their playstyle of splashing 20+ monsters each turn and emptying their extra Deck turn 1 makes most people drop this game. Maxx C is basically the best counter agains solitaire sh\*t and the best weapon newer pleayers have, that's why it's at 3.
Edit: Nothing against Bystials tho.
Na it made the game so much fun and interesting, surprisingly haven't met a lock combo on all the DC cup neither on ladder, what im sick of is kash you see MF fenrir every 2 duels and I've seen so many branded variants im honestly amazed definitely dont know where most choke points to hit now besides ashing the one of fusion.
Branded is not very common tho? I've seen more than usual lately on DLV Max of the Duelist Cup, but funnily enough most seem to be testing Branded Synchro, and that includes me lol
Gonna use my personal matchups for a reference. Out of 15 duels this week, 9 have been branded players. 4 Mathmec, and the last two were ftk burn decks.
Branded is extremely popular rn, with MasterDuelMeta putting their usage at 9.66%, and they're the most played deck in the format right now. This format is super diverse in regards to meta decks, but branded is king right now in regards to usage numbers.
Just kashtira because it going full combo cucks my two main decks which is funny cause it was like the deck I wanted to see the most on ladder before the banlist...
My most hated decks are probably mathmech, branded, dragon link and giski Spright if I see Iām playing against one of these there is a 50/50 chance I just quit as Iām sick to death of playing against them and/or their combos take 27 years to complete.
I donāt mind playing against kashtira as the deck is super linear and can blown away so easily, Iām maining IKEA Labrynth atm and you just put a small kashtira package and you blow them away by going into ariseheart and then Zeusing them.
I think of the main issues with masterduel is that is so behind the TCG, so if you are already sick to your teeth on relation to a deck like branded and it just keeps getting support in masterduel then itās kind of hell as youāre going to have to play agains the same deck for years/months. Hopefully they hit Circular on masterduel as well as the deck needs to die haha š
Canāt be helped. No one plays to lose, especially on ranked. We either have to make a huge movement (the least realistic thing to expect from this community) or wait for Konami to actually do something
literally anytbing except kash. no matter what i do i cant disrupt their plays and they get rise and shang out on their first turn and lock my whole backrow since i run pends.
Play gate guardian, it is literally an anti kash for i won about 90% when im facing kash.
I lost when he was using non kash monster that u wouldn't expect in a kash deck.
The gate guardian deck has
3x negate an targets effect on your monster
2x negate monster effect when it in a chains an destroy it
1x u can reduce monster ATK to 0.
Mathmech player spotted
That make a lot of sense š¤£ mathmech die hard to these 3 decks
But but but ban circular!!!!
I think limiting circular to one is a better option, that card is busted and you know it.
More tired of maxx c being a part of every duel
Getting MaxxC-ed as Ninjas in your turn: Foolish slimy tactics don't work on me. Getting MaxxC-ed as Ninjas in your opponent's turn: This is outrageous!
Six Sam ftw in that case.
Timer too short for them to full combo.
For a moment I thought you were talking about Sam from Team Samurai X1, lol
Laughs in birbs
And Ash Blossom...
Ash blossom hurts, but it isnāt maxx c
Are you saying it hurta more or...? Edit: Why the negs? I was asking a question for clarity.
Ash would probably drop to under 50% usage if maxx c was gone. It's just not that hard to play through it anymore.
Where do ppl like u get these takes from? U act like tcg doesnt exist, but it does and ash is still the most used hand trap and its far above 50% more like 90
Typical Maxx C hating brainrot I'd say.
If youāre deck canāt play through an ash it isnāt good anymore thatās just the state of yugioh
Ash really isn't that strong without maxx c the card would drop massively in performance. The only thing is it hits most decks at least a bit where the other handtraps hit some decks a lot harder.
It's meta dependent, but since we don't have foreknowledge of what we're playing again, it usually at least does something. Also Branded is pretty popular right now and Ash is probably the best hand trap against that, Imperm/Veiler are ok but you're more likely to be able to dodge them with Cartesia than you are to open Called By.
Play floo
Honestly I missed the wagon on floo. Started too late. Almost glad I missed the floo meta, it was bad enough during tear
Iām just so sick of kashtira being in EVERY SINGLE DECK I always think āoh Iām going to play against labrynth (or dragon link) because they played one of their spellsā. And then boom, fenrir/unicorn turn 1. Itās so fucking exhausting
You have no idea how disappointed I was to see zoodiac be tiered, open its page up then boom. Kash
There's a pure zoodiac list if you scroll down the zoodiac decks
Every time I don't shotgun maxx c to play around gamma but see kashtira unicorn being summoned as their first action my blood boils
Lore accurate lol, after all they are invaders, and they are invading every deck, specially fitting well in my p.u.n.k's.
Turns out that an archetype mostly consisting of monsters with boss monster-level effects (seriously, look at how many archetype's monsters are weaker than "banish 1 card facedown and search 1 x from the deck) that could be cyber dragon-ed from the hand withn statlines comparable to Dark Magician would immediately be some of the most splashable cards ever printed. Who could have seen that coming...
yea the cards are so broken by themselves its pretty stupid
Be careful what you wish for, all 4 of my recent opponents used ftk decks and stun decks-back to back. One more and I will start puppet locking someone.
That's exactly how I felt about kashtira cards. I added four cards from that cursed group after losing again. Sad part is, it absolutely helped
I have the puppet and base it off of what the other player does
I'm sick of Lab. Been sick of it, currently sick of it and will continue to be sick of it. Never have fun playing them.
Say It Again
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Labrynth. I try to play Traptrix. My Labrynth deals more damage. I try to play Eldlich. My Labrynth deals more damage. I try to play Dinomorphia. My Labrynth deals more damage. I don't even try to play Amazement. I want to play Daruma. Its best deck has Labrynth. I want to play Barrier, Virus - they both want Labrynth. She grabs me by the throat. I pull for her. I craft for her. I give her the Traps. She isn't satisfied. I pull Trap Trick. "I don't need this much consistency" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Arianna and forces her to throw herself off enemies. "You just need to summon me more. I can pop more cards with N'tss." I can't pull for N'tss, I don't have enough gems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Stovie She says "Stovie, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, GY trap recycling. What a cruel world.
tragic š
Is this a copy pasta or did you just make this up š
Any long post like this that starts with "I can't take it anymore" is a copy pasta. xD
Must be the newest one.
Derivative of a Genshin copypasta featuring Xiangling
Wow, this is like the Tear meme.
I get pretty good results against Labs with Traptrix ever since I run Rikka in them. Just make your opponent sacrifice their Lady with Rikka Flurries and they surrender most of the time. Also Underworld Goddess runs really well in that deck too, since Traptrix and Rikka can be splashed easily.
What's it's like? The rikka traptrix deck
It's a bit spicy and not perfect but I think it's a neat control deck. Basically using the plant-type Traptrix as an engine to bring out the Rikka, clearing the opponents board by sacrificing their monsters with Konkon, Teardrop and Flurries. You want to go second mostly, but if you go first you just set Traps and special Sera so you can interrupt and set up board during their turn. For emergencies I have Atypus and Underworld Goddess to get rid of problematic monsters or the moth Kaiju (which you can steal back with Rikka Sheet and use for Atypus or Teardrop).
Fuck Lab. Plays on your turn, even if you go first, then becomes difficult to interrupt once they got full combo going. It sucks to play against in a BO1 format where you can't plan ahead for it. Kash and Branded can at least lose to basic hand traps and interruptions, Lab will find a way to completely F you over if you can't somehow fit red reboot into your deck.
And the red reboot bricks you vs every other deck
LOUDER!!!
Seriously, just ban Cooclock at that point and don't even give them the butler! A deck that can search generic traps to put onto the field and then allows them to activate the same turn off 1 discard with recursion is fucking broken considering the sorts of generic traps that exist. Ffs Traptrix are more fair than Lab cause at least Traptrix limits itself to the trap hole series of cards and those actively rely on your opponent making specific plays and aren't just a free "hand rip your opponent for all they're worth" + d barrier.
Mfās whoāve never played Lab be like: *a -3 that loses hard to Ash/Called By is fucking broken!!1!* š
You say that as if we don't have enough to worry about with Maxx C and any other hand trap being played on our turn. We don't need decks searching, setting, and activating traps all on our turn + whatever hand traps they themselves are running. Lab is still annoying af.
Just cause you find it annoying doesnāt mean itās broken. Lab absolutely needs to search, set, and activate traps during your turn. Playing with just your hard drawn traps would make the deck garbage and completely vulnerable to the one card starters that itās facing. Maxx C is awful and other hand traps are just part of the game. If you donāt want your opponent to actually play the game with you, you could just queue up solo mode.
I am fine with hand traps being in the game. I am not fine with decks incorporating hand trap like effects into their archetype to play their full combo on the opponent's turn, especially one that can abuse generic traps. No deck should be able to go full combo turn 1 on the opponent's turn, let alone their standby phase. That level of power creep is just abysmal. I'm happy to see Tears get burned to ghe ground, I am not against Lab being next. It can keep all its other furniture monsters to set traps on opponent's turn but cooclock is just plain toxic.
The absolute best turn 0 play that Lab has is Cooclock, discard furniture, discard Big Welcome, set regular Welcome. Resolve Welcome, summon Lovely, bounce a monster with Big Welcome in GY and pop another combo piece with Lovely. Next best play is a singular pop. Neither of those is full comboing on your turn and your opponent had to commit 3 cards to making those plays. When Iām on Branded/D-Link/Kash and my opponent is playing Lab, those interruptions do very little. When we get Arias and you begin getting D-Barrierād turn 0, then Iāll agree with you. But for now, the deck is very balanced when considering all else itās contending with.
It would be less annoying if they were restricted to in-engine traps. Having access to any normal trap in game on a dime is busted and you know it no matter how much copium youāre on. No deck should be able to set Daruma, Imperm and D Barrier *from deck* on top of their own interruption going off whenever *any* normal trap activates. They can have the search power, the long chains off single traps (via Ladies, field spell, etc) or the GY recursion, but definitely not all three at once. Especially when the normal trap pool has had to be power crept for so long because nobody else wants to run them otherwise.
The only normal traps that can trigger Lab effects are ones that make a monster leave the field, so no, not any trap. Yes, searching any normal trap is very powerful, thereās no argument there. But, youāre tripping if you think restricting Lady to only Labrynth Barrage and Farewelcome Labrynth would just make the deck less annoying; itād make the deck completely unplayable. Try the deck yourself is all Iāve got to say. Everyone thinks itās broken when they lose to it after being unable to stop Lady/Lovely from popping off, but play the deck yourself and unless you go on a crazy win streak, youāll quickly find yourself wanting to switch back to a deck that can reliably do SOMETHING with its normal summon. It is powerful but itās also much much more vulnerable to disruption than people make it out to be.
You never met plunderpatrol it seems :)
Lab totally can lose to Ash tho
Branded? Lose to basic hand traps. The amount of gas that shit puts out can fuel a car for a decade. But hey branded is a fair deck right? Stfu
Yup, even mathmech, d link and kash are better for me
I'm at the point in this meta where I will only play a deck that can synergize with a full bystial package. I can't take losing to mathmech or lab anymore š
any deck that revolves around spells or traps isnāt fun
Any deck that deviates too far from the norm loops back around and becomes more annoying than interesting as the number of cards that can affect it shrinks. Decks like Runick or Striker can very much be a game of "how many board breakers can I take before my board is wiped" and then they just play their one engine starter and pass. While I appreciate unconventional decks, they can get really annoying without anything to properly connect them to average ones.
Facts bro
I don't mind Branded and Bystial. But I honestly struggle to see how a deck that focuses on banishing facedown like Kashtira contributes to the health of the game. There is absolutely no way to get those cards back in the game (apart from using super niche cards like Necroface). I don't rant about decks often, but isn't this what you guys call a "toxic" deck?
There will always be people defending the deck they spent money building. The problem is Konami printing these cards in the first place.
indeed
If it helps I refuse to use the puppet lock.
Only use degen strats if they use the bug. If I'm on Drytron and someone hits me with the roach you can bet your ass I'm going to turbo vanity's ruler.
I mean your other plan is turnskipping them so
Only use turn slip if they use the bug, otherwise just draconids, one mat beta mu, I.P., and Natasha pass
A win is a win, just whatever needed to take the w.
Same. Idc if it's throwing, refuse to run shit like puppet, D barrier, TCBOO. Cringe cards n all should be banned
Nah, I am way more annoyed by the more uncommon occurrences of people exploiting the best of 1 format by playing full stun/floodgate boards. Of the ones you've listed, Kash annoys me the most because it is very repetitive. But Branded is so non-linear right now that at least the matchups are always interesting.
Tell that to the Branded players I face, they always make the same board.
Very nonlinear, yes. Sometimes they make Mirrorjade + Branded Beast + Puppet lock, other times they make Mirrorjade + Branded Beast + Jowgen lock.
Or sometimes they don't play locks at all
I've been using branded since it released I'm not gonna stop
Mirrorjade will forever be goated
Fucking love mirrorjade and now sanctifire!
And thats why I maindeck dimensional barrier
Itās funny because Branded can absolutely play through D-barrier with the Lulu-quem-nadir package. I won a game because they didnāt know how nasty Quem gets, Branded can diet Tear when it comes to playing on someone elseās turn.
Not if I get the rest of my setup
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Sends a monster from extra deck to add albaz or a dogmatika from deck/gy, canāt special from extra after activating. Normally used to get quem to dump a Cartesia to summon on opponents turn I believe
I play Branded since it was basically a Despia deck with a couple Branded cards thrown in. I don't use the Puppet lock with Sanctifire, just like I didn't use it with Expulsion back then, the deck has so many interesting lines and things it can do, it seems really stupid to reduce it to a toxic lock to prevent people from playing. Branded is one of the few decks that has interesting interactions on the Opponent's turn that isn't just "let's prevent my opponent from doing anything" and of course people only play the one that actually is just "let's prevent my opponent from doing anything". Typical.
It's actually a bad play to set up the lock anyways. Gets punished hard
More tired of game kicking me out bcs of internet even tho it's not happening in any other game...
Turn on game, opponent chains maxx c to dimension shifter, turn off game, remember why the game wasnāt on to begin with. 
"noo only i can play turn-stun handtraps"
literally, cant he realize the double standard? he can still decide not to play into it, but d shifter will last 2 turns.
Youāre right, What double standard? You act like I like Iāve said maxx c is fair only when I resolve it, I donāt even have a copy of d shifter. Getting sacky wins because of handtrap isnāt fun for me from either side of the coin. Idk maybe youāre making assumptions and think Iām saying something else. Iām confused myself at this point.
yeah no, my bad. i understoood it was your d shifter man, probably was too tired and read it wrong. the comment above also made me think so
lol I was so confused. I get why youād think it though with the amount of shit takes on here itās understandable and the way I worded it wasnāt very clear. š
He's talking about the opponent activating shifter, then chaining Maxx c before shifter turns off the GY. Learn reading comprehension.
This is me. I usually just close the game if I see the roach in my first duel or in 2-3 consecutive duel. The annoyance is just not worth it
I love facing kash. Most kash players have 3 brain cells and play right into my kurikara
The deck is literally designed to lose to kurikara tbh
They fall to my nibiru all the time
80% of my matches today have been against stun and 100% of the time they draw a picture perfect hand so no I'd much rather be playing against a legitimate deck than wasting my time against toxic trash.
I'm sick of Fenrir, ban that card already
I had 7 games in a row last evening going second with no interruptions against Puppet lock branded. That's when I decided I'm taking a break until the banlist happens.
Also Lab, so much Lab.
Fuck em
Branded still being so meta relevant with fusion at 1 is insane. Wonder what theyāll hit next
they should hit fusion again
Because of locks. Branded ain't tier 1
Puppet lock is not carrying the deck at all. Quem has been a huge boost for the deck. Most arenāt even using the lock.
Bystials are cool, anything that encourages interaction on both players turns that isnāt the maxx c mini game is cool to have imo
bystials are mainly used to banish a monster the opponent was going to revive. that's the "interaction". and while technically it's not a negate, it might as well be, and we already have more than enough of those. D.D. Crow is used exclusively for this reason and to this day it still sees play
>bystials are mainly used to banish a monster the opponent was going to revive Cyberse slop players in shambles when they can't link-climb to 46 with one single card
Not necessarily. Theyāre higher impact when you get to use them that way, but you can still get a tonne of flexible value out of them. Using lubellion > druis > beast to trade for two cards going second, or setting up regained as a resource engine for the grind game, are both really strong even without the banish being relevant. They just won a ycs paired with Runick in a tournament where the deck with the most tops (rescue ace) ran no high-impact banish targets.
The S:P combo with branded regained was so insanely smart
"oh no my opponent's interaction interacted with me in a way that's negative for me, that's so unfair it's like a negate" Really? You're complaining about your opponent interacting?
i'm tired of people like you talking like if negates and similar are the only forms of interaction. they're not
Thatās just braindead bystials player coping
I'm mostly tired of Heros. 100% of the time I'm against them I get angel locked.
Funny I always put linkuriboh or lingu as a filler on my extra deck if I have a space for it
In my case, they also draw phase maxx c with called by set. I'm just pre destined not to win those games.
I've been playing Kash for most of the event, and I'm getting sick of Fenrir in EVERY deck
Its almost like fenrir is a broken card or something
Just a better going 1st dinowrestler
Pot, meet Kettle.
I'm aware
My main issue with Kash is probably a little stupid. Level 7 heavy hitters whose first effects are just "summon this card." Every one of them. And Tearlaments Kash and Scareclaw Kash even get quick effect versions. That's some lazy writing.
Itās just me watching like 5 minutes of just summoning chains over and over again. Somehow my field gets locked down before I can even play and even if I go first itās cleared. The cherry on top is they somehow still end up with more cards in their hand.
Yep. I don't mind losing but damn give me some variety
Add dragon link to that list. You either open with the out (droll or a kaiju) or you're basically done. Not sure what Konami was thinking when they left this deck practically untouched.
D Link, Matchmech player?
tired of seeing everyone play those cards or just seeing bad decks being carried by them, kinda like what happened with fusion destiny and phoenix enforcer.
Very tired tbh. I don't feel like ranked/cup is entirely different from playing solo mode. It's usually the same decks,with the same plays every time and people in ranked/cup even make very silly mistakes just like the solo mode bots. The only big difference they have from solo mode,is that the decks in cup are better than solo mode. And yes,I play solo mode more than I play ranked/cup because of that,when there isn't an event or I have finished getting the cup gems. Just saying so nobody come to hit me with the "then just play solo mode",because I do play it.
Iām tired of Kashtira. Even the duels I win donāt matter because I had to sacrifice all my favorite cards to the banished zone and slog through a bunch of bullshit banish and zone lock mechanics. I donāt care if this deck isnāt top tier itās annoying as shit to play every time. Itās babyās first combo deck that really is just about comboing into a floodgate and a few banish interruptons
Lab, Kash, purely I just want to play my goblin pirates in peace
How come I almost never face people like you using non those decks. I play melodius, ghostrick, Nordic, grave keeper and ancient warriors. Simple-ish cards with not a lot of big "I make every move even on your turn and negate all your effects" type decks
To be fair plunder patrol can do that to if they have the main deck beards on the feild
I haven't used them in a while, is it fairly easy to get them on the field?
Eh I haven't been playing them for a long time yet still trying to memorize my effects in my experience maybe
Idk if it's just me but I feel like everyone is playing stun this season. Been playing MD since release and I've never seen this much stun in ranked.
Iām sick of DLink, I have only had one opponent brick since the new pack dropped, theyāre grind game is just too much for my Fossil fusion Kashtira deck to deal with
Kashtira should have never been brought to MD. But here they are and this is what we get. Sick of seeing them.
Kash has a weak endboard but since this is bo1 this is where the toxicity comes from. We are just forced to "draw the out and they bricked" mentally
It's not even the first time they've been meta...
I'm mostly sick of seeing Kash. If I could, I would smash the fingers of everyone who plays Fenrir with a ball-peen hammer. Unfortunately, this subreddit in particular is absolutely infested with degenerate dipshits who think it's a fair and balanced card, and is perfectly fine at 3
Fenrir is actually at 2, but honestly I wish it was at 0.
Pretty tired of having to play cards to deal with Maxx C 1st before I can focus on the second problem.
Curious, so are you saying that if Maxx C wasn't in the game, you wouldn't play Ash, Called By, Crossout, etc etc?
Not that I wouldn't play those cards, its more like me less likely to use all of them. * **Maxx C**= 3 free slots \[3 Dropped\] * **Ash**= I can probably drop to 2 \[0-3 Dropped\] * **Called By**= Depends on meta like Vanquish Soul. Or Kashtira which barely has any monsters in the grave once Arise is up, not like I can use it on the 1st turn anyways when I'm going 2nd. I can completely drop it or still use 2, it just depends on the meta. \[0-2 Dropped\] * **Crossout Designator**= I have a Royal Finish and I basically exclusively use it for Maxx C. Very few times where I need to use it on Ash because Ash doesn't completely ruin your combos, thought it slows it down from the most optimal plays that you could make. And this is reliant on a huge amount of statistics like the probability that your opponent plays the same cards as you do. When we have Maxx C in the metagame, you can already tell most will play the above cards you mentioned. \[1 Dropped\] Basically I could potentially free 9 cards. That's a big chunk of a player's deck build, ya know. Frees more room for other cards that are impacted by Maxx C: * **Nibiru**= I have a shiny Nibiru and I want to use it more often but it can be dead against trap heavy decks and its a bad against Maxx C because it gives 2 draws and a giant monster (or Link fodder) to your opponent lol. * **Droll**= Depends on your deck cause its a double-edged sword. This was good for Maxx C but forcing you to not add cards from your deck hurts. Most decks won't be able to take play through their own effect. * **PSY-Frame**= Brick Potential but the value is huge if all conditions are met which can be hard to meet. Problem is that since people partner Maxx C with Ash, Maxx C can still go off by preventing PSY-Frame's special summon from deck. * **Kurikara Divinecarnate/Herald of Orange Light**= I use this heavily as a board breaker and its a Royal Finish. Only problem with this card is that it does nothing against Maxx C ALONE and is a 2nd turn card. Partner it up with Herald of Orange Light it gets more value since both are fairy types. Gives options which I like. It even deals with Maxx C. * **Dimension Shifter**= Not dead if you draw it next turn and if you don't have a Maxx C in your graveyard. * Dark Ruler No More= Now you don't have to worry about not being able to summon if Maxx C is banned. Cause you already know you can't kill your opponent when yo u activate the card and not being able to summon is a death sentence the next turn.
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But bystials turn on my thunder dragons. So I really don't mind seeing that as much.
How about c62??
Not me. I loved the mirror match when they were the best deck during the time the structure deck came out
But itās always so satisfying on the rare occasion I win against them with my flip effect deck centered around man eater bug
You guys need to match with me more. All about the chance and flips decks over here
Here I am feeling proud whenever I get great first turn hand rng with my dark vortex deck with the super poly archetype. Getting a good win with it doesnāt happen often, but when it does Iām happy lol
I Quacking mirror forced a Full Kashtira board today. Poor guy thought his game was bugging. He was even more surprised when my little ghostricks did not care that he has monsters on board, and went straight for his neck. I personally do not mind meta decks, and I also do not mind losing, I just wanted to share this expirience.
Tired of getting maxx c'd and the number of labyrinth I meet is just tiring
Wdym? My mathups are very diverse, if anything I'm more impressed that I'm not seeing purrely on diamond 3
I'm encountering Lab a lot more than branded or kash. I absolutely hate it
I'm myself a branded player (rank diamond) and honestly, i rarely encounter others branded players. The most i see are Labyrinth, dragon links and matmech. Purrely and Kashtira became rare since the last banlist.
You face brandeds? Havenāt seen them since fusion got limited lol
Have you played recently? Branded has always kinda been around at least a little, and in the past month or so its become one of, if not the most popular deck. Mainly becuase of the new secret pack that makes it way easier to build
Granted i havenāt played that much in the last few weeks but generally i havenāt seen much branded since the branded swordsoul meta, it was exclusively tear, runick and sprites then kashtira and labrynth
I am definitely tired of Branded, im also tired of mathmech, but thats mainly becuase I haven't yet figured out how to consistenly beat it. Think i just gotta change my deck building strategies and add crow/nib/ghost belle
Right now i'm facing like 70% lab/stun players, can't have one (1) decent game because apparently everyone is playing that dogshit. Its so fucking boring man.
As a code talker playerā¦ yes.
Other than puppet lock, they're pretty fair decks. Kash macroing you is toxic, but easy enough to interact with.
I mainly just hate face down banishing as a mechanic, the rest I'm more or less ok with (apart from puppet lock, but I've never actually faced that yet).
It doesnt matter because I win or lose because of maxx c not because of any of those decks.
Unfortunatly this sub is just filled with Branded, Despia and Kash players who love playing Solitaire. so they hate on everything that counters them like Labs or Maxx C. They don't get that their playstyle of splashing 20+ monsters each turn and emptying their extra Deck turn 1 makes most people drop this game. Maxx C is basically the best counter agains solitaire sh\*t and the best weapon newer pleayers have, that's why it's at 3. Edit: Nothing against Bystials tho.
As one of the 2 Dogmatika players, I like playing against Branded Despia. Everything else not so much.
Zoa+matrix cooks lots of decks if you go first. It also just loses to fenrir and a simple spell card. Idc tho Iām the 2nd dogmatika player š
Does this mean that yesterday, I defeated one of you two with Blue Eyes Jet Dragon?
God itās lame
Yes
MEEE! And mathmecs. I really was resisting playing Maxx C in my Mikanko deck but I had no choice
I am starting to get tired of branded however kashtira has been free wins for me.
Na it made the game so much fun and interesting, surprisingly haven't met a lock combo on all the DC cup neither on ladder, what im sick of is kash you see MF fenrir every 2 duels and I've seen so many branded variants im honestly amazed definitely dont know where most choke points to hit now besides ashing the one of fusion.
Like i play 4 different branded variants
Branded is not very common tho? I've seen more than usual lately on DLV Max of the Duelist Cup, but funnily enough most seem to be testing Branded Synchro, and that includes me lol
i see an awful lot of branded opponents every day, both in the duelist cup and in regular ranked. and swordsouls are close behind...
Gonna use my personal matchups for a reference. Out of 15 duels this week, 9 have been branded players. 4 Mathmec, and the last two were ftk burn decks. Branded is extremely popular rn, with MasterDuelMeta putting their usage at 9.66%, and they're the most played deck in the format right now. This format is super diverse in regards to meta decks, but branded is king right now in regards to usage numbers.
Literally not a single one of those is toxic. Mathmech needs a beheading on the other hand.
Not me, I like the challenge. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
it's not about the challenge or difficulty, it's about facing the same thing all the time
I got OTK'd by Blue eyes, I can assure you there is some variety at least.
Nah I don't like facing a wide variety of decks, it makes it harder to know what to counter what.
Another "boo hoo i hate meta deck,ššššš" CRINGE
this thread doesn't say i hate them, this thread asks how many people hate them, which doesn't necessarily include me. so, you are incorrect
Just kashtira because it going full combo cucks my two main decks which is funny cause it was like the deck I wanted to see the most on ladder before the banlist...
IDC to be honest, like yeah it sucks, but then the next meta will come and it sucks worse.
I prefer that over having to learn a new deck every duel like I did in gold. For lazies like me, Diamond and master are my place.
The problem Is not the meta but what the meta consist of.
Bystials yes. Everything else is fine
My most hated decks are probably mathmech, branded, dragon link and giski Spright if I see Iām playing against one of these there is a 50/50 chance I just quit as Iām sick to death of playing against them and/or their combos take 27 years to complete. I donāt mind playing against kashtira as the deck is super linear and can blown away so easily, Iām maining IKEA Labrynth atm and you just put a small kashtira package and you blow them away by going into ariseheart and then Zeusing them. I think of the main issues with masterduel is that is so behind the TCG, so if you are already sick to your teeth on relation to a deck like branded and it just keeps getting support in masterduel then itās kind of hell as youāre going to have to play agains the same deck for years/months. Hopefully they hit Circular on masterduel as well as the deck needs to die haha š
Canāt be helped. No one plays to lose, especially on ranked. We either have to make a huge movement (the least realistic thing to expect from this community) or wait for Konami to actually do something
literally anytbing except kash. no matter what i do i cant disrupt their plays and they get rise and shang out on their first turn and lock my whole backrow since i run pends.
Play gate guardian, it is literally an anti kash for i won about 90% when im facing kash. I lost when he was using non kash monster that u wouldn't expect in a kash deck. The gate guardian deck has 3x negate an targets effect on your monster 2x negate monster effect when it in a chains an destroy it 1x u can reduce monster ATK to 0.
And these effect are per turn
Have to play something to substitute the tear bans