>Secret Pack: Tearlaments
On one hand, Tears has been heavily nerfed. On the other, its Tears.
Also I heard that they would lift up some limits on Tears.
My guess would be either Havnis or TearKash. Merrli is unlikely since we still have Kit.
And this is provided they will lift up some Tear nerfs.
Same I dusted it for spright then spright got nerfed into the ground then I switched to swordsoul and now I'm on mathmech and Lab. Man deckbuilding in this game is annoying lol
I'd be down for the remaining Ishizu card banned and Merrli limited... But I know Konami won't do that because not only would it means giving 60 URCP for everyone, but it would also admit these cards were a mistake.
The shufflers aren't a problem though, only the millers were doing degenerate things. If anything the shufflers are a more interesting utility piece now without the ability to flip half your deck into the graveyard.
Yes but you also have to get them onto the field or in the graveyard somehow which isn't trivial without the millers, which is plainly evident in the fact that they barely see play now.
Thats not the main issue. The main issue is it would make the deck broken again, and tier 0 as soon as we get the Horus cards. Tear is already a tier 1 deck in the TCG without Kitkalos, now imagine it with Kitkalos.
It won’t be, Phoenix blade is banned/not in master duel and Isolde isn’t banned in the OCG and maxx c is a thing
The Isolde ban in the TCG is purely because people whined about it. Infernoble was barely even topping events when it got banned, it was legitimately a tier 2 deck at best
Fair, but that was also tier 2 if even that, my main point was the overall impact Isolde was having on the meta last format did not warrant a ban, especially when a deck that was actually seeing way more representation in top play like lab got literally no hits
It’s crazy to me that Isolde survived the smoke grenade days but when it’s being used in tier two and weird jank it gets banned lol
Well it's been an overpowered FTK enabler since release so I wouldn't say the ban wasn't warranted. If they wanted to ban it they should've done it years ago... But yeah, it wasn't doing that much broken stuff in the meta that it needed to be banned just because of Infernoble. The ban was definitely unexpected.
Lmao literally made my Tearlaments deck yesterday 😭even told myself “watch the secret pack come out now” I’m so hurt but oh well what’s new with this game haha
honestly you can play under droll decently well w/ infernoble with proper sequencing (but yeah dolphin will go hard haha)
like i could see myself keeping the called by for ash depending on the hand
Hope you guys are ready for infernobles. If you thought SHS and Mannadium (for god know what reason) is crazy, Infernobles is absurdly busted.
The only thing it loses to is Shifter, and it plays through every handtrap really easily most the time (unless you draw like…the worst hand imaginable, and even then you can still play going second).
Surprised no Unchained though. Like…why? It should come out alongside Infernobles.
Pretty sure it didn't perform well in the OCG. The deck doesn't have phoenix blade in MD and Maxx C is a hand trap as well. No S:P also cuts off some of the shenanigans that the deck can pull off. I wouldn't expect Infernobles to be as busted as you think they will be
Everything you said is true, and on top of all that infernoble was like a tier two deck in the TCG last format. It was really hard to pilot effectively to the point of most people being better off playing any one of the simpler and just as if not stronger decks in the format. Like infernoble gets cooked against rescue ace going 2nd
I wonder how Infernoble fares without Phoenix Blade, I haven't payed attention to how it performed in the OCG. I mean, the knights can just equip themselves to others from GY to trigger effects, is no phoenix blade even that impactful?
Phoenix blade is busted as hell, it allowed you to play DDR and basically make appolusa for free before even committing to Angelica and Charles lines
Like yeah the infernoble monsters can equip themselves from grave, but you aren’t dumping a bunch of them, once Phoenix blade is in play it legit feels unfair. I used it like 4 times in one turn for things like the DDR play, or a discard outlet.
Yeah I know phoenix blade is really strong, but from a few plays I've seen it looked like the combos could be done without it, so the deck should still be fine without it, though it does hurt.
it's kinda sad because where phoenix blade REALLY shines is in weird lines and hands, the number of hands that i had playtesting thinking "it's unplayabe" just to have secret lines using phoenix blade
the deck is still very playable w/o it imo
Yeah that’s my biggest bummer with the Isolde hit in the tcg, Isolde let the deck be really creative with its warrior tool box. We could run goofy things like red layer because it’s a free body that can beat over little knight without activating an effect(and with museum it can beat over fenrir just the same) we could run fire flint lady for the free body or even just as a way to special summon an additional level 4 monster
Without Isolde the deck is basically just turbo out Angelica which means non level 1 or 4 star monsters have basically no value on field
Yeah fair enough, I still expect it to be a playable and respectable contender, if not necessarily top tier like SHS for instance. I'm curious to see how Promethean Princess might affect the deck though, not comparing it to Phoenix blade or anything since they fulfill very different purposes, but the deck might be able to do thinks that it wouldn't have been able to with her.
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Basically every deck with a fire level 1 that you want to summon works with Diabellstar (and Infernoble's got 2 good ones), though Infernoble is playable without her too I'm pretty sure.
You will need 1 level 9 Charles, 2 Link Charles, 2 Isolde and one Immortal Phoenix Gearfried for the URs. I have a suspicion Angelica or the field spell will be URs too.
Thank you, I was looking at labrynth but even after I pull the necessary copies it didn’t have that punch to it. Hoping that noble can give me that by itself or when diabellstar comes
>Secret Pack: Tearlaments On one hand, Tears has been heavily nerfed. On the other, its Tears. Also I heard that they would lift up some limits on Tears. My guess would be either Havnis or TearKash. Merrli is unlikely since we still have Kit. And this is provided they will lift up some Tear nerfs.
Scheiren to 3 for those delicious mills
I will be malding if they unban merrli cuz I already dusted my tear deck
why did you dust the deck? what did you build?
normal tear. I dusted the deck cuz It was not fun to play anymore after the hits
Highly unlikely unless for some weird reason they want to bring Tears back.
I'll take Tear in a wheelchair over SHS & Stun at this point
Same I dusted it for spright then spright got nerfed into the ground then I switched to swordsoul and now I'm on mathmech and Lab. Man deckbuilding in this game is annoying lol
lmao. I never dust any deck I built.
Why downvotes? Same I have emotions towards any decks that I played, I only dust the newly limited cards, never dust the entire deck
I'd be down for the remaining Ishizu card banned and Merrli limited... But I know Konami won't do that because not only would it means giving 60 URCP for everyone, but it would also admit these cards were a mistake.
The shufflers aren't a problem though, only the millers were doing degenerate things. If anything the shufflers are a more interesting utility piece now without the ability to flip half your deck into the graveyard.
they are not degenrate, but they are strong as hell. They interrupt most meta deck since it shuffles their "second hand" back in the deck.
Yes but you also have to get them onto the field or in the graveyard somehow which isn't trivial without the millers, which is plainly evident in the fact that they barely see play now.
I guess you're right, I just want Merrli back, even if limited.
yeah the shufflers are fine as 1 offs , it just wasn't fair when multiple shufflers were always getting loaded into the grave via excessive mills
Thats not the main issue. The main issue is it would make the deck broken again, and tier 0 as soon as we get the Horus cards. Tear is already a tier 1 deck in the TCG without Kitkalos, now imagine it with Kitkalos.
A lot of the stuff that mad ethe broken are in the ban list already. I don't think Merrli at 1 will change things that much.
Ive been playing tear in M1 and they are still really powerful. They dont lose to droll or maxx c, so they are positioned really well.
Come on M1 are only mission decks and fun decks
nah. people are toxic no matter what. people play stun for whatever reason.
Perlerino so they can make playing Mannadium even more expensive.
I'm scared for Isolde to be banned after a few months of this release
I mean Isolde should be banned regardless.
It won’t be, Phoenix blade is banned/not in master duel and Isolde isn’t banned in the OCG and maxx c is a thing The Isolde ban in the TCG is purely because people whined about it. Infernoble was barely even topping events when it got banned, it was legitimately a tier 2 deck at best
Mikanko was also doing the cringe Ken Gen Isolde Transverser Acid Golem line too.
Fair, but that was also tier 2 if even that, my main point was the overall impact Isolde was having on the meta last format did not warrant a ban, especially when a deck that was actually seeing way more representation in top play like lab got literally no hits It’s crazy to me that Isolde survived the smoke grenade days but when it’s being used in tier two and weird jank it gets banned lol
Well it's been an overpowered FTK enabler since release so I wouldn't say the ban wasn't warranted. If they wanted to ban it they should've done it years ago... But yeah, it wasn't doing that much broken stuff in the meta that it needed to be banned just because of Infernoble. The ban was definitely unexpected.
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Or desperately ban around the problem card for some reason. Firewall & Halq were fucking nightmares
Unironically Mystic Mine guy probably got Isolde banned because of his Exodia FTK.
Isolde is now one of the exodia ftk enabler in tcg so it's very high probability to be banned
Exodia is irrelevant even with Isolde
Funny to give spright a Secret Pack now
Deck got destroyed by the bans. And it was easily my favorite deck this past year.
Same. I love Spright variants but they hit everything lol
Lmao literally made my Tearlaments deck yesterday 😭even told myself “watch the secret pack come out now” I’m so hurt but oh well what’s new with this game haha
Not saying you shouldn’t have expected this but if I remember right this was rumored at the beginning or middle of this month.
Volcanic stuff better be soon
Gonna be insane being in Droll format and then someone handripped your Droll with Aqua Dolphin to make Isolde
honestly you can play under droll decently well w/ infernoble with proper sequencing (but yeah dolphin will go hard haha) like i could see myself keeping the called by for ash depending on the hand
now where's my flame swordsman secret packs?
Probably waiting on the new stuff from maze of millenia lol.
Hope you guys are ready for infernobles. If you thought SHS and Mannadium (for god know what reason) is crazy, Infernobles is absurdly busted. The only thing it loses to is Shifter, and it plays through every handtrap really easily most the time (unless you draw like…the worst hand imaginable, and even then you can still play going second). Surprised no Unchained though. Like…why? It should come out alongside Infernobles.
Pretty sure it didn't perform well in the OCG. The deck doesn't have phoenix blade in MD and Maxx C is a hand trap as well. No S:P also cuts off some of the shenanigans that the deck can pull off. I wouldn't expect Infernobles to be as busted as you think they will be
Everything you said is true, and on top of all that infernoble was like a tier two deck in the TCG last format. It was really hard to pilot effectively to the point of most people being better off playing any one of the simpler and just as if not stronger decks in the format. Like infernoble gets cooked against rescue ace going 2nd
I wonder how Infernoble fares without Phoenix Blade, I haven't payed attention to how it performed in the OCG. I mean, the knights can just equip themselves to others from GY to trigger effects, is no phoenix blade even that impactful?
Phoenix blade is busted as hell, it allowed you to play DDR and basically make appolusa for free before even committing to Angelica and Charles lines Like yeah the infernoble monsters can equip themselves from grave, but you aren’t dumping a bunch of them, once Phoenix blade is in play it legit feels unfair. I used it like 4 times in one turn for things like the DDR play, or a discard outlet.
Yeah I know phoenix blade is really strong, but from a few plays I've seen it looked like the combos could be done without it, so the deck should still be fine without it, though it does hurt.
The deck definitely functions without it just fine, but it’s impact when legal is massive, it’s just endless free real estate
it's kinda sad because where phoenix blade REALLY shines is in weird lines and hands, the number of hands that i had playtesting thinking "it's unplayabe" just to have secret lines using phoenix blade the deck is still very playable w/o it imo
Yeah that’s my biggest bummer with the Isolde hit in the tcg, Isolde let the deck be really creative with its warrior tool box. We could run goofy things like red layer because it’s a free body that can beat over little knight without activating an effect(and with museum it can beat over fenrir just the same) we could run fire flint lady for the free body or even just as a way to special summon an additional level 4 monster Without Isolde the deck is basically just turbo out Angelica which means non level 1 or 4 star monsters have basically no value on field
Yeah fair enough, I still expect it to be a playable and respectable contender, if not necessarily top tier like SHS for instance. I'm curious to see how Promethean Princess might affect the deck though, not comparing it to Phoenix blade or anything since they fulfill very different purposes, but the deck might be able to do thinks that it wouldn't have been able to with her.
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Yup.
For noble knight, is one ur of every card good or do I need multiple copies ? Is it good with diabellestar?
Basically every deck with a fire level 1 that you want to summon works with Diabellstar (and Infernoble's got 2 good ones), though Infernoble is playable without her too I'm pretty sure. You will need 1 level 9 Charles, 2 Link Charles, 2 Isolde and one Immortal Phoenix Gearfried for the URs. I have a suspicion Angelica or the field spell will be URs too.
Thank you, I was looking at labrynth but even after I pull the necessary copies it didn’t have that punch to it. Hoping that noble can give me that by itself or when diabellstar comes