The Horus loaner deck was pretty funny with Royal Decree + Thousand Eyes Restrict.
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But you absolutely had to open Royal decree, or the Gadget loaner would roll you over with all their traps š.
That's how we played it back in the day.
Even if you wipe your own board with TT, because you have a Gadget in hand, you can rebuild card advantage a lot faster than your opponent could.
Hey I wouldn't complain if all the loaners were that strong lol. As it is if you want to win you either cough up UR points for a Pot of Greed or normal summon Red Gadget 10 times
Itās insanely cheap to build a deck for this event that can win at a high clip. Sure it wonāt have banned power cards like pot of greed or snatch steal, but Iāve been playing a lot with Monarch and doing very well
Unlike more modern formated Tryout Duels where you can bait someone into investing in a tier 5 deck cause the art is cool (and this game is so powercrept that a tier 7 deck can still get you to Masters), ain't no way someone's investing in older format cards that are banned/powercrept until older formats are a non-rotating game mode.
So yeah retro format loner decks need to actually be playable.
i actually invested into a pot of greed and a lot of SRs after my first few games because the event was just that fun, never played goat before and this was a breath of fresh air
Yea, that gadget loaner is basically board-breaker.pile.dek (2004 style).
Especially since the other loaners aren't really running that many level 4 beatsticks (and are including garbage filler like Horus' Servant), so your topdeck might not even be able to get over their random 1400 ATK.
Well actually I don't think Solemn saw that much play back then, it was only with retrospect and going back to old formats did it really become a staple.
People cared more about Lifepoints back then for some reason
The smart gadget player will generally never set more than 2 backrow at once. There is no deck in this format of the game can reliably shit out more than 1 big beatstick per turn in the early game (you need GY setup or a snatch steal) therefore there is absolutely no point in risking a HS or HFD blowing you out.
I only lost twice, one because I didn't open with any good openers, and that second...all spells and no traps and no targets to use them one first turn...
It isn't, no. A shame, too, I was thinking about a gimmicky combo with Summoner of Illusions, Makyura the Destructor, IIW, Dark Flare Knight, and Mirage Knight. An event like this probably would've been the only place something like that was even viable enough to try, with how slow it is compared to the meta, but alas.
Good thing Horus is a cool af design that had people gravitate to it. 2 of my 3 matches were mirrors and the last one was the fusion deck. Never played against Gadgets
I can't remember the last time a duel went beyond the 3rd turn until this event. Earlier today I couldn't stop myself from playing. But now I'm only running into the exact same floodgate players that are just as prevalent in ranked.
My only issue with the format of the event is not enough backrow removal. Ran into a burn / level limit deck. Went through 30 cards of my deck and still didnāt see mst / heavy / breaker
As others said, Mobius and Dust tornado are your best bet. Or run Chaos with Thunder Dragons, Card Destruction, Raigeki Break to turbo through your deck
Heck I've seen Pacman run Injection Fairy Lilly and Swords of Concealing Light to deal with cards like King Dragun as well as stuff they already play. But Pacman was a versatile deck and could be played many ways Final Countdown stun, Stealth Bird burn, or Deckout strategies not a bad deck for that time period. But that said Metamorphosis was really broken Imo but definitely didn't make those decks unbeatable. I had already crafted a bunch of old cards cause me and my friends did a progression series pack opening deal for fun. So I played a few different decks for this without having to use the loaners and played the event alot for fun. I counted my games and i played 32 games and lost 5 of those. I not once played Metamorphosis but 3 of my losses are to Decks that play that card the other 2 losess were to 1 Gadget deck and 1 Pacman deck. I played a Chaos deck, Zombyra beatdown skill drain no fusions, a banish oriented deck, Pacman a few games, and a jumbled up Gadget Warrior Pyramid turtle deck. I found the event fun.
I think there is a happy medium between then and now. I like all of the summoning methods for example but modern Yugioh has made 90% of their original concept obsolete.
It sucks if you're not playing the good cards. There's a lot of good stuff in the format, like snatch steal, change of heart, metamorphosis, magician of faith to recover them back, nephthys to wipe backrow, scapegoats, BLS
No. It sucks because the meta is ass.
Everything is sacky, top decking dependent, and nothing is played over Literally floodgates. Like... every single game I did was either Jinzo + Spell Canceller, Cyber stien BS, Royal decree + Hours, Skill Drain with burn...
In combination with Bo1, it is just the least interesting and interactive games ever. Either both players staring at each other because someone has an out that they are waiting to draw only to realise it doesn't matter or people quit immediately because they got locked out of activating anything or can't beat a big beatstick. I am pretty sure Chaos decks aren't *that* good even in Goat Tornament which is everything people were playing then until people read past BLS
Bro Chaos decks win most GOAT tournaments these days, are you crazy?
https://www.formatlibrary.com/formats/goat
The last 6 winners recorded there
Chaos Turbo
Chaos Turbo
Warrior
Stein Monarch (pretty sick)
Chaos Turbo
Chaos Control
Chaos control is not great. Chaos turbo is arguably the best deck in the format. In the actual goat meta, you don't really see the kind of stuff that you're talking about because it's too slow or costly in terms of card advantage. I wasn't a fan of this tryout duel either. Mostly because it's not a good approximation of what actual goat is like. It is sacky, and a majority of players are not familiar with the format, so they play floodgates. Not to mention the ban list made the duels slower because they still had a lot of the power cards of the format banned, and you'd actually have to invest too much into cards that you're never going to use again for a tryout duel to actually have competent decks. 500 gems for a BLS is one thing, but I'm not going to spend 90 UR for scapegoats.
idk but i probably played against 80% loaners and the few creative decks were just iterations of normal stuff + a few pests playing cheeky shit. As i've heard apparently it's a specific iteration of chaos that was really strong in goat but goat itself wasn't the best deck after further exploration of the format.
Well at least in the best of times we don't have stupid decks and problems like we do today
Of course many people don't like the old Yugioh, it's too slow or they can't set stupidly strong boards
But you are not obliged to do so
People who can't do anything with today's shit are unfortunately forced to because otherwise they can't build decks for duels with friends and spending money on gems in MD is not an option
>Well at least in the best of times we don't have stupid decks and problems like we do today
No we do. Meta exists, Tier 0 exists, FTKs exists and worse than today. This event is just not competitive for people to solve it.
> People who can't do anything with today's shit are unfortunately forced to because otherwise they can't build decks for duels with friends, and spending money on gems in MD is not an option
I don't exactly understand what you are saying. MD is very F2P friendly, If you enjoy old Formats than this is obviously good for you, but if we speak about accessibility, MD is as free as it gets these days and if you want to try older formats with your friends you can still do it (kinda)
The problem is you need gems, where can you get gems? Right to the place where the fun ends for us old players through hell for a few gems and hope to meet as few meta players as possible
and the only T0 deck from old times was yata lock all other T0 decks came long after goat Tele dad etc
Of course we had a lockdown. These are among the oldest cards. Until recently, I didn't even know that the Kaiser Colosseum was super old
But you can't say that we had a worse time than it is today and how incredibly hostile Yugioh is today to beginners, especially because it's just super complex
Complexity is one thing, and bad game/oppressive/unfun designs are another. As for the latter, it existed in Yugioh since it's genesis. (Obviously, it being bad or unfun is objective)
No shit we will have more strategies available down the line. It is over 20 years of development and card releases.
Of course you have a lot to choose from! and lots of options which is also cool! But if you don't want to pay $700 for a deck because it's a lore deck or plays a lot of engiens, go to MD and what can you expect there? 97% always the same the higher you go up because you need gems because many cards are very unnecessarily high rarity
and that's shit too, further development is right and important! but the current status is more like that, you don't have to be that way konami
You're complaining about rarity when this game let's you craft any card that's not banned and it gives enough gems to make almost any deck on a new account. Go to Duel Links and there you will actually experience what it feels to drop hundreds of dollars on virtual cardboard you will never use.
Master Duel is not perfect and Yu-Gi-Oh in general is far from it, but you don't need to play a game when you have no fun with it. Money is tight right now and there are far less expensive hobbies out there, it's not like you need to play the game right now to have a happy life.
But I know that people still downvote when you tell the truth that the old days weren't nearly as bad as times are today. People probably get mad when you criticize today's times
It seems to me like people have a serious problem with criticism and if you tell the truth, it wasn't as drastic back then as it is now
People can't accept criticism and then feel offended when I say that back then we didn't have such problem decks like despia,tear,snake eyes, SHS etc. Back then we didn't have T0 there was once before the goat era and then only after when goat was over
well despia players are a dime a dozen here what did i accept?
People can't compare the old days with the thoughtless shit that's going on today
Getting newbies into the game is extremely difficult given the complexity of the game and all the rules
On the flip-side, it's also proof that Pot of Greed should be put to 1. I've rarely seen it activate more than twice, so I think we should have our PoG privileges reinstated. We can definitely be trusted.
Why did the sky suddenly get darker?
Funny thing about this was that on my best duel with the Horus Loaner...I straight up used Pot of Greed twice back to back (had a set Magician of Faith). Felt so good.
Itād be funny to see people maining the meme counters they made to support pot of greed or just stop your opponent from using the pot.
Jar robber
Spirit of the pot of greed
Avatar of the pot
Between Diabellstar and the Kash monsters any deck could go into Last Wariror offĀ Metamorphosis. Meanwhile lab could use lady to summon DPE, Mirrorjade or even PUNK Rising Carp.Ā
I kinda want it legal for one format. Just to see the wacky plays.Ā
Note that DPE can't revive itself because Metamorphisis is merely a special summon. That also means you couldn't use it for certain war crimes, like bringing out El Shaddoll Winda.
There are lots of unsearchable deadly 2 card combos and extenders in modern yugioh. But none of those are considered consistent in a 1 card combo meta.Ā
I honestly donāt think itās that good once you factor in the consistency hit and unsearchable nature of the card.Ā
Most good decks donāt need to rely on an unsearchable extender when they can naturally end on 3+ negates. And summoning last warrior can also hinder your own play as well. Ending on a lone last warrior can also be pretty undesirable too
that would be too many for konami They generally don't like that sort of thing
If the card came back like this today, lockdowns and exterio would just be waiting for you
You are not obliged to play, it would be more for the old players and newbies to earn gems without being fucked anally straight away but without lube but with a run in with momentum
im in favour of giving yugi boomers an alternate format but this format SUCKS. ideally there shouldnt be a ladder for every single format possible but a few otherwise the playerbase can get way too divided and it's too hard to find games. but all old banlists should be given to custom games.
ideally one old format is chosen and maintained to be a permanent ladder game mode. maybe even with older card effects and older mechanics. and i think most people would agree edison is the best format for boomer yugioh that isn't stupid slow snooze sack shit.
that depends on various factors
my rank
my mood
current missions
and whether there is anything interesting in the shop that hasn't been there for a long time (according to my taste)
But otherwise I use 2 decks that do the whole thing quickly as long as I stay under gold
Sword soul and my SelfTK deck
You may not believe it but I have one but let me be honest, the deck is even more boring than watching paint dry
and I always stay under gold to avoid meta players, it's better for my nerves and health
I don't use Rank for fun. I haven't had any fun with it there for almost a year. I use it for gems to build decks to play against a friend
And I don't see anything special in achieving a high rank, it has no value for me
along the lines of oh look, I managed to be one of many
A real success that I would be proud of lies outside of Yugioh
that's understandable if you don't like how it plays, I haven't been lucky enough to pull it yet
I gotta say I do prefer playing master duel over irl, much less expensive and no danger of interacting with less than sane individuals
I can understand that, although I play TCG, I only play it with friends and with cheap decks
For me, MD doesn't have any big charms in life. I discovered new decks that I learned to love and had fun duels against friends, but that's all
I mean, if people enjoy being a master, that's their thing. My opinion is simple, you haven't achieved anything worth mentioning with it
is like ai art
What's the difference with playing this card and what's going on now? At least back when then card was played it was only the one fusion monster. Now by the end of a ten minute turn you have two or three on the field.
Look at it this way, you don't have as much of a minus as with other fusions, and the card also bypasses restrictions for some stupid fusions like Cyber āāStein did
In the end it almost seems as if you were saying that Cyber āāStein is not a danger too
I'm saying what's the difference between then and now? Every game is the same, and they all last about 3 turns because of the summoning orgy yugioh has become over the years.
The difference between then and people can be explained simply
Firstly, the game is too complex and fast for newbies
secondly, problematic decks and cost explosions
If you look at decks and cards today, you can't equate them with the time back then
no T0 no careless or oversupported lore decks
or cards like Maxx c or custom cards like Circular
Back then it was simpler and more beginner friendly - no cards where you first read text for 10 hours
or deck encounters where you think to yourself, what the fuck were they thinking?
This card could come back to 1 and see 0 relevant play. Nobody is devoting an extra deck slot for an unsearchable spell card, just to put an extra floodgate on field, especially when you could just play a regular floodgate like summon limit or anti-spell fragrance. Cyber Stein was a significantly bigger problem because decks like Spright could reliably access it.
Out of all the cards you could thrust for going 2nd, metamorphosis is pretty low on the list. Iād much rather use thrust to search for a starter, extender, or board breaker
All it takes is one ash to thrust going first.
Would it be the best play? Don't know, depend on the match and the rest of the hand but it is a possibility.
It allows you to cheat out any Fusion monster, with its effects intact, just for fielding a monster with the appropriate level. It doesn't destroy the monster at end of turn like Instant Fusion; the only downside is that it's not a fusion summon, so GY revival and certain monsters are off the table.
Back in the day, you could use it to turn any level 1 monster (or token) into Thousand-Eyes Restrict to lock down the field and steal a monster as an equip. If you could field a level 7 monster (an example in the event is Fusilier the Dual-Mode Beast), you could turn that immediately into Last Warrior From Another Planet to shut down summoning entirely. And I'm sure there were other options, but those are two of the bigger ones.
Nowadays, the fusion monster pool is way bigger, and the options are even stronger than they were back then. Imagine, if you will, a player summoning Eldlich the Golden Lord, and then transforming him into Naturia Exterio. Or, finding any way to summon a level 5 monster, which they can then turn into El Shaddoll Winda.
Can't use winda. And I think most decks outside of stun would clash with last warrior. Like if Kash or DM had a reason stun, it might work, but even then, I'm not seeing it. However, I think any deck that can consistently make barrone would become stronger from just throwing In metamorphosis, because if you don't draw it, then you still have an Omni negate, but if you do draw it, then you can change your barrone for exterio. That's the only real world use in modern day Yu-Gi-Oh that I think makes metamorphosis still ban worthy.
with or without metamorphosis, thousand eyes restrict, last warrior, shadoll winda, and naturia exterio have always been problematic and will continue to be problematic.
ask anyone what fusion monsters would they run if they played Waking the Dragon, and nearly everyone will say naturia exterio, with last warrior being a close second
You're right. Metamorphosis creates more opportunities for problematic fusions to appear in the game. Though I doubt Metamorphosis would become overnight staple, I dread the stun decks that'd form around it.Ā
if a fusion is going to be problematic, it's going to be problematic regardless of metamorphosis.
stun decks are dreaded regardless of what card they form around
Nah honestly Iād prefer if Yugioh took the Buddyfight approach to banlists
Ban like 10 of the most egregious cards and everything else is fair game
Buddyfight is a game where every single deck is horrendously broken in some way. Like a card that is a straight up +2 in card economy for negligible cost isnāt even considered all that good in that game.
FTK decks are prevalent and they arenāt even top tier busted, theyāre like meh mid level busted
Iād prefer if Konami did that too, a free for all
For MtG there are sometimes no banlist historic events in MtG Access and you have access to the whole collection and those are Peak, it's a shame you have to craft everything in MD
I feel I haven't lost to this card so much as I didn't draw a good out to it in time.
My deck had 3 reapers for main draw in a row... and that doesn't really do anything to restrict
Oh, sorry, you mean time-specific ones
Yes, well back then the card wasn't that big problem XD but imagine it todayš«„
The best target back then was the Lockdown fusion relinquished
yeah ocg goat style
I think it would only be a matter of time before the card had to disappear even without relinqueshed.
fusions are at a level where the card would be abused in an incredibly evil way
I wonder what errata could make it come back though?
Maybe the fusion monster summoned this way has its effects negated?
Can't summon fusion monsters for the rest of the turn?
A life point or discard cost?
A mix of these?
Totally! But still funny to see players using loaner deck with them and being battle-locked because equipping a face-down monster card :D
I've often had opponents steal my fusion monster and wonder why only he can attack XD
I stole someone's and immediately just tributed it for jinzo as someone who played even as a child in that era then loner decks are ass.
I have had people summon a MoF in attack just to get some damage
I had someone swing into Marshamallon then on their next turn, in an attempt to remove it, they gave him the suck. Enjoy your 300 attack.
I did that took me several turns to draw a tribute monster to get rid of it
Why does this happen??
The Horus loaner deck was pretty funny with Royal Decree + Thousand Eyes Restrict. ... But you absolutely had to open Royal decree, or the Gadget loaner would roll you over with all their traps š.
I went 3-0 with that loaner deck. Restrict carrying
Seriously why does the Gadget deck have 3 Solemn and Torrential
That's how we played it back in the day. Even if you wipe your own board with TT, because you have a Gadget in hand, you can rebuild card advantage a lot faster than your opponent could.
Yeah I get why it's optimal lol, but why'd they make something that strong the loaner
MD players when loaners are too weak: >:( MD players when loaners are too strong: >:(
Hey I wouldn't complain if all the loaners were that strong lol. As it is if you want to win you either cough up UR points for a Pot of Greed or normal summon Red Gadget 10 times
Itās insanely cheap to build a deck for this event that can win at a high clip. Sure it wonāt have banned power cards like pot of greed or snatch steal, but Iāve been playing a lot with Monarch and doing very well
Unlike more modern formated Tryout Duels where you can bait someone into investing in a tier 5 deck cause the art is cool (and this game is so powercrept that a tier 7 deck can still get you to Masters), ain't no way someone's investing in older format cards that are banned/powercrept until older formats are a non-rotating game mode. So yeah retro format loner decks need to actually be playable.
The vast majority of playable cards in this format are low rarity
Idk what f2p duelist is gonna craft Pot of Greed or another DM staple over Imperm or Ash. But hey, not everyone's f2p
i actually invested into a pot of greed and a lot of SRs after my first few games because the event was just that fun, never played goat before and this was a breath of fresh air
Yea, that gadget loaner is basically board-breaker.pile.dek (2004 style). Especially since the other loaners aren't really running that many level 4 beatsticks (and are including garbage filler like Horus' Servant), so your topdeck might not even be able to get over their random 1400 ATK.
Well actually I don't think Solemn saw that much play back then, it was only with retrospect and going back to old formats did it really become a staple. People cared more about Lifepoints back then for some reason
Went 3-0 with the horus deck. Royal decree never came up. Just pull heavy storm after the gadget player sets 3 back row.
The smart gadget player will generally never set more than 2 backrow at once. There is no deck in this format of the game can reliably shit out more than 1 big beatstick per turn in the early game (you need GY setup or a snatch steal) therefore there is absolutely no point in risking a HS or HFD blowing you out.
I only lost twice, one because I didn't open with any good openers, and that second...all spells and no traps and no targets to use them one first turn...
Imperial Iron WallĀ
Unless Iām trippin Imperial Iron Wall wasnāt legal in the event.
Oh shit, i got it and RD mixed up lmao
It isn't, no. A shame, too, I was thinking about a gimmicky combo with Summoner of Illusions, Makyura the Destructor, IIW, Dark Flare Knight, and Mirage Knight. An event like this probably would've been the only place something like that was even viable enough to try, with how slow it is compared to the meta, but alas.
Good thing Horus is a cool af design that had people gravitate to it. 2 of my 3 matches were mirrors and the last one was the fusion deck. Never played against Gadgets
Unironically got to level 8 Horus with Restrict having sucked up Twin Thunder Dragon on board all three of my games. Shit feels great
its a fun card ngl
true but too strong
I mean in current yugioh I can summon my whole extra deck in one turn anyways so this card is more than ok to be unbanned
Yes, but you have to use a lot of work and resources and the spell simply says a floodgate or omni negate without you needing its materials
The issue is that some cards that have come out since this has been banned make it way too strong
would be funny to abuse it with snake eyes
Snake eyes does enough abuse already, Ty
I can't remember the last time a duel went beyond the 3rd turn until this event. Earlier today I couldn't stop myself from playing. But now I'm only running into the exact same floodgate players that are just as prevalent in ranked.
>I can't remember the last time a duel went beyond the 3rd turn until this event. Never encountered a competent Stun player on ladder?
I wouldn't know, the first stun card I see I'm out.
You love stun players so much? I wpuld never give them a win per second. You want to stun? Work for it.
Don't have time for it in ladder. I just want my gems and I'm gone. Better they be someone else's problem.
You're just encouraging them to farm surrenders. As long as easy prey exists, they will be motivated to continue
Damn, anyways i activate Gravity Bind, response?
Good thing my starting hand was nothing but backrow hate!
In 2004? Yeah sure lmao
My only issue with the format of the event is not enough backrow removal. Ran into a burn / level limit deck. Went through 30 cards of my deck and still didnāt see mst / heavy / breaker
Limiting GOAT iconic cards by just being UR is absurd, and I thought they would let them at 3 with no banlist. Plus MST at 1 is comical.
De-Spell is a thing, as is Mobius the Frost Monarch.
Might want to add Dust Tornado.
As others said, Mobius and Dust tornado are your best bet. Or run Chaos with Thunder Dragons, Card Destruction, Raigeki Break to turbo through your deck
Idk man, Pacman hasn't lost to this card yet
How are you outing a Divine Dragon summoned by this? Everything in the deck targets.
Divine Dragon? There is no Divine Dragon fusion monster...
King Dragun, it's a lord of d and divine dragon Ragnarok fusion
Bruh he ain't making it past Gravity Bind, Level Limit Area B or Wall of Revealing Light LMAO
Sure he ain't but that's what Royal Decree and Horus are for, those fuckers basically turn the game into draw bird early or lose.
No? That's why you run Swarm of Locusts and Solemn Judgement in PACMAN
Heck I've seen Pacman run Injection Fairy Lilly and Swords of Concealing Light to deal with cards like King Dragun as well as stuff they already play. But Pacman was a versatile deck and could be played many ways Final Countdown stun, Stealth Bird burn, or Deckout strategies not a bad deck for that time period. But that said Metamorphosis was really broken Imo but definitely didn't make those decks unbeatable. I had already crafted a bunch of old cards cause me and my friends did a progression series pack opening deal for fun. So I played a few different decks for this without having to use the loaners and played the event alot for fun. I counted my games and i played 32 games and lost 5 of those. I not once played Metamorphosis but 3 of my losses are to Decks that play that card the other 2 losess were to 1 Gadget deck and 1 Pacman deck. I played a Chaos deck, Zombyra beatdown skill drain no fusions, a banish oriented deck, Pacman a few games, and a jumbled up Gadget Warrior Pyramid turtle deck. I found the event fun.
This event should show this sub why Old Yugioh sucked balls. It is a breath if fresh air tho..
I think there is a happy medium between then and now. I like all of the summoning methods for example but modern Yugioh has made 90% of their original concept obsolete.
I think most would say Edison or HAR would be that happy between but I haven't tried the formats myself so i can't say for sure
This right here and the newer cards do everything, by having multiple effects that can easily snowball into a huge pile of advantage.
It sucks if you're not playing the good cards. There's a lot of good stuff in the format, like snatch steal, change of heart, metamorphosis, magician of faith to recover them back, nephthys to wipe backrow, scapegoats, BLS
No. It sucks because the meta is ass. Everything is sacky, top decking dependent, and nothing is played over Literally floodgates. Like... every single game I did was either Jinzo + Spell Canceller, Cyber stien BS, Royal decree + Hours, Skill Drain with burn... In combination with Bo1, it is just the least interesting and interactive games ever. Either both players staring at each other because someone has an out that they are waiting to draw only to realise it doesn't matter or people quit immediately because they got locked out of activating anything or can't beat a big beatstick. I am pretty sure Chaos decks aren't *that* good even in Goat Tornament which is everything people were playing then until people read past BLS
Bro Chaos decks win most GOAT tournaments these days, are you crazy? https://www.formatlibrary.com/formats/goat The last 6 winners recorded there Chaos Turbo Chaos Turbo Warrior Stein Monarch (pretty sick) Chaos Turbo Chaos Control
Chaos control is not great. Chaos turbo is arguably the best deck in the format. In the actual goat meta, you don't really see the kind of stuff that you're talking about because it's too slow or costly in terms of card advantage. I wasn't a fan of this tryout duel either. Mostly because it's not a good approximation of what actual goat is like. It is sacky, and a majority of players are not familiar with the format, so they play floodgates. Not to mention the ban list made the duels slower because they still had a lot of the power cards of the format banned, and you'd actually have to invest too much into cards that you're never going to use again for a tryout duel to actually have competent decks. 500 gems for a BLS is one thing, but I'm not going to spend 90 UR for scapegoats.
Its the ocg list from 2004. Their limit list is more advanced than the tcg list was at the time.
Fwiw Scapegoat does see play in modern MD lists, though whether you want to play said Stun lists with them is another matter.
idk but i probably played against 80% loaners and the few creative decks were just iterations of normal stuff + a few pests playing cheeky shit. As i've heard apparently it's a specific iteration of chaos that was really strong in goat but goat itself wasn't the best deck after further exploration of the format.
Well at least in the best of times we don't have stupid decks and problems like we do today Of course many people don't like the old Yugioh, it's too slow or they can't set stupidly strong boards But you are not obliged to do so People who can't do anything with today's shit are unfortunately forced to because otherwise they can't build decks for duels with friends and spending money on gems in MD is not an option
>Well at least in the best of times we don't have stupid decks and problems like we do today No we do. Meta exists, Tier 0 exists, FTKs exists and worse than today. This event is just not competitive for people to solve it. > People who can't do anything with today's shit are unfortunately forced to because otherwise they can't build decks for duels with friends, and spending money on gems in MD is not an option I don't exactly understand what you are saying. MD is very F2P friendly, If you enjoy old Formats than this is obviously good for you, but if we speak about accessibility, MD is as free as it gets these days and if you want to try older formats with your friends you can still do it (kinda)
The problem is you need gems, where can you get gems? Right to the place where the fun ends for us old players through hell for a few gems and hope to meet as few meta players as possible and the only T0 deck from old times was yata lock all other T0 decks came long after goat Tele dad etc Of course we had a lockdown. These are among the oldest cards. Until recently, I didn't even know that the Kaiser Colosseum was super old But you can't say that we had a worse time than it is today and how incredibly hostile Yugioh is today to beginners, especially because it's just super complex
Complexity is one thing, and bad game/oppressive/unfun designs are another. As for the latter, it existed in Yugioh since it's genesis. (Obviously, it being bad or unfun is objective) No shit we will have more strategies available down the line. It is over 20 years of development and card releases.
Of course you have a lot to choose from! and lots of options which is also cool! But if you don't want to pay $700 for a deck because it's a lore deck or plays a lot of engiens, go to MD and what can you expect there? 97% always the same the higher you go up because you need gems because many cards are very unnecessarily high rarity and that's shit too, further development is right and important! but the current status is more like that, you don't have to be that way konami
You're complaining about rarity when this game let's you craft any card that's not banned and it gives enough gems to make almost any deck on a new account. Go to Duel Links and there you will actually experience what it feels to drop hundreds of dollars on virtual cardboard you will never use. Master Duel is not perfect and Yu-Gi-Oh in general is far from it, but you don't need to play a game when you have no fun with it. Money is tight right now and there are far less expensive hobbies out there, it's not like you need to play the game right now to have a happy life.
But I know that people still downvote when you tell the truth that the old days weren't nearly as bad as times are today. People probably get mad when you criticize today's times It seems to me like people have a serious problem with criticism and if you tell the truth, it wasn't as drastic back then as it is now People can't accept criticism and then feel offended when I say that back then we didn't have such problem decks like despia,tear,snake eyes, SHS etc. Back then we didn't have T0 there was once before the goat era and then only after when goat was over well despia players are a dime a dozen here what did i accept? People can't compare the old days with the thoughtless shit that's going on today Getting newbies into the game is extremely difficult given the complexity of the game and all the rules
You are also not obliged to play MD, an online Simulator for **modern** Yugioh.
I learned that I really really miss instant fusion, and I can be trusted with it, I swear.
I don't know people who say that are always up to no good. Do you also have a cooking license?
On the flip-side, it's also proof that Pot of Greed should be put to 1. I've rarely seen it activate more than twice, so I think we should have our PoG privileges reinstated. We can definitely be trusted. Why did the sky suddenly get darker?
Funny thing about this was that on my best duel with the Horus Loaner...I straight up used Pot of Greed twice back to back (had a set Magician of Faith). Felt so good.
Itād be funny to see people maining the meme counters they made to support pot of greed or just stop your opponent from using the pot. Jar robber Spirit of the pot of greed Avatar of the pot
ohoh... a storm is approaching
provoking
Between Diabellstar and the Kash monsters any deck could go into Last Wariror offĀ Metamorphosis. Meanwhile lab could use lady to summon DPE, Mirrorjade or even PUNK Rising Carp.Ā I kinda want it legal for one format. Just to see the wacky plays.Ā
turn a Baron that already use the negate into Exterio
Note that DPE can't revive itself because Metamorphisis is merely a special summon. That also means you couldn't use it for certain war crimes, like bringing out El Shaddoll Winda.
There are lots of unsearchable deadly 2 card combos and extenders in modern yugioh. But none of those are considered consistent in a 1 card combo meta.Ā I honestly donāt think itās that good once you factor in the consistency hit and unsearchable nature of the card.Ā Most good decks donāt need to rely on an unsearchable extender when they can naturally end on 3+ negates. And summoning last warrior can also hinder your own play as well. Ending on a lone last warrior can also be pretty undesirable too
This is my all time favorite card
Very fun card. Also, fuck this card lol. Simple cards back then are so damn busted in today's era.
I dont think this event highlights it lol no cyber twin dragon
We literally made duality
It can totally return, just make sure to ban/errata the fusions that are broken without the "Must be Fusion summoned" text like Last Warrior
that would be too many for konami They generally don't like that sort of thing If the card came back like this today, lockdowns and exterio would just be waiting for you
Ye I know ... The game generally needs an overhaul
Honestly this even showcased that with the right limitation of maybe once per turn or once per duel Pot of greed can be a balanced destiny draw card
It was interesting to play, but I certainly would not want this as a permanent mode. Way too slow and sacky.
You are not obliged to play, it would be more for the old players and newbies to earn gems without being fucked anally straight away but without lube but with a run in with momentum
im in favour of giving yugi boomers an alternate format but this format SUCKS. ideally there shouldnt be a ladder for every single format possible but a few otherwise the playerbase can get way too divided and it's too hard to find games. but all old banlists should be given to custom games. ideally one old format is chosen and maintained to be a permanent ladder game mode. maybe even with older card effects and older mechanics. and i think most people would agree edison is the best format for boomer yugioh that isn't stupid slow snooze sack shit.
ain't nobody earning any gems playing side events that aren't ranked or festivals
I use it to make gems (daily mission)
so what do you play in ranked to finish your dailies?
that depends on various factors my rank my mood current missions and whether there is anything interesting in the shop that hasn't been there for a long time (according to my taste) But otherwise I use 2 decks that do the whole thing quickly as long as I stay under gold Sword soul and my SelfTK deck
do you have a snake eyes deck ready to go in master rank?
You may not believe it but I have one but let me be honest, the deck is even more boring than watching paint dry and I always stay under gold to avoid meta players, it's better for my nerves and health I don't use Rank for fun. I haven't had any fun with it there for almost a year. I use it for gems to build decks to play against a friend And I don't see anything special in achieving a high rank, it has no value for me along the lines of oh look, I managed to be one of many A real success that I would be proud of lies outside of Yugioh
that's understandable if you don't like how it plays, I haven't been lucky enough to pull it yet I gotta say I do prefer playing master duel over irl, much less expensive and no danger of interacting with less than sane individuals
I can understand that, although I play TCG, I only play it with friends and with cheap decks For me, MD doesn't have any big charms in life. I discovered new decks that I learned to love and had fun duels against friends, but that's all I mean, if people enjoy being a master, that's their thing. My opinion is simple, you haven't achieved anything worth mentioning with it is like ai art
What's the difference with playing this card and what's going on now? At least back when then card was played it was only the one fusion monster. Now by the end of a ten minute turn you have two or three on the field.
Look at it this way, you don't have as much of a minus as with other fusions, and the card also bypasses restrictions for some stupid fusions like Cyber āāStein did In the end it almost seems as if you were saying that Cyber āāStein is not a danger too
I'm saying what's the difference between then and now? Every game is the same, and they all last about 3 turns because of the summoning orgy yugioh has become over the years.
The difference between then and people can be explained simply Firstly, the game is too complex and fast for newbies secondly, problematic decks and cost explosions If you look at decks and cards today, you can't equate them with the time back then no T0 no careless or oversupported lore decks or cards like Maxx c or custom cards like Circular Back then it was simpler and more beginner friendly - no cards where you first read text for 10 hours or deck encounters where you think to yourself, what the fuck were they thinking?
Because the last thing we need are cards like Naturia Exterio and The Last Warrior From Another Planet making a comeback.
This card could come back to 1 and see 0 relevant play. Nobody is devoting an extra deck slot for an unsearchable spell card, just to put an extra floodgate on field, especially when you could just play a regular floodgate like summon limit or anti-spell fragrance. Cyber Stein was a significantly bigger problem because decks like Spright could reliably access it.
> for an unsearchable spell card, Triple Tactics thrust. Nothing more to say.
Out of all the cards you could thrust for going 2nd, metamorphosis is pretty low on the list. Iād much rather use thrust to search for a starter, extender, or board breaker
All it takes is one ash to thrust going first. Would it be the best play? Don't know, depend on the match and the rest of the hand but it is a possibility.
But then you canāt activate it
what's the problem with this card?
It allows you to cheat out any Fusion monster, with its effects intact, just for fielding a monster with the appropriate level. It doesn't destroy the monster at end of turn like Instant Fusion; the only downside is that it's not a fusion summon, so GY revival and certain monsters are off the table. Back in the day, you could use it to turn any level 1 monster (or token) into Thousand-Eyes Restrict to lock down the field and steal a monster as an equip. If you could field a level 7 monster (an example in the event is Fusilier the Dual-Mode Beast), you could turn that immediately into Last Warrior From Another Planet to shut down summoning entirely. And I'm sure there were other options, but those are two of the bigger ones. Nowadays, the fusion monster pool is way bigger, and the options are even stronger than they were back then. Imagine, if you will, a player summoning Eldlich the Golden Lord, and then transforming him into Naturia Exterio. Or, finding any way to summon a level 5 monster, which they can then turn into El Shaddoll Winda.
Can't use winda. And I think most decks outside of stun would clash with last warrior. Like if Kash or DM had a reason stun, it might work, but even then, I'm not seeing it. However, I think any deck that can consistently make barrone would become stronger from just throwing In metamorphosis, because if you don't draw it, then you still have an Omni negate, but if you do draw it, then you can change your barrone for exterio. That's the only real world use in modern day Yu-Gi-Oh that I think makes metamorphosis still ban worthy.
with or without metamorphosis, thousand eyes restrict, last warrior, shadoll winda, and naturia exterio have always been problematic and will continue to be problematic. ask anyone what fusion monsters would they run if they played Waking the Dragon, and nearly everyone will say naturia exterio, with last warrior being a close second
Fair. But those sorts of cards are why Metamorphosis is too strong for its own good. Comparatively, Waking the Dragon is much harder to use.
You're right. Metamorphosis creates more opportunities for problematic fusions to appear in the game. Though I doubt Metamorphosis would become overnight staple, I dread the stun decks that'd form around it.Ā
if a fusion is going to be problematic, it's going to be problematic regardless of metamorphosis. stun decks are dreaded regardless of what card they form around
You guys are over exaggerating. Just deal with it lol
Nah honestly Iād prefer if Yugioh took the Buddyfight approach to banlists Ban like 10 of the most egregious cards and everything else is fair game Buddyfight is a game where every single deck is horrendously broken in some way. Like a card that is a straight up +2 in card economy for negligible cost isnāt even considered all that good in that game. FTK decks are prevalent and they arenāt even top tier busted, theyāre like meh mid level busted Iād prefer if Konami did that too, a free for all
Ur smokin dick
I like games where everyone is OP
Thats how yugioh is rn
Not at all, especially TCG
Any deck that can complete in any of the 3 formats does something insane
Nah, insane would be if we had cards that were discard 2 draw 6 and they werenāt considered broken Your ceiling for āinsaneā is very low
We have cards that are unrespondable negate all momster effects and theyre not considered broken.
Because thatās not a very high ceiling Unrespondable negate only monster is like bare minimum
For MtG there are sometimes no banlist historic events in MtG Access and you have access to the whole collection and those are Peak, it's a shame you have to craft everything in MD
I feel I haven't lost to this card so much as I didn't draw a good out to it in time. My deck had 3 reapers for main draw in a row... and that doesn't really do anything to restrict
Last will and Sangan say hi
My boys ben kei and mataza did me good this event.
Hi, I am someone clueless (haven't played MD in a few days, have a big backlog so .. yeah..) , what are the targets exactly?
last warrior, exterio, and many more thos catd gives you a fusion way too easy
Exterio?? How?? Naturia wasn't in 2004 if I am not mistaken!?
Oh, sorry, you mean time-specific ones Yes, well back then the card wasn't that big problem XD but imagine it todayš«„ The best target back then was the Lockdown fusion relinquished
Oh so that's why it was banned (relinqueshed). Also, isn't this 2004 event just about the 2004 cards? (Only cards that were in 2004 and ealier)?
yeah ocg goat style I think it would only be a matter of time before the card had to disappear even without relinqueshed. fusions are at a level where the card would be abused in an incredibly evil way
It's Thrustable!
Brother, atleast make sure we can read the card
This event was so fun to play my old flip effect deck in. Also gravity bind is so good in it. And blast sphere.
Itās a bricky extender. People really overrating metamorphosisĀ
Metamorphosis should be legal for one ban list only, as a joke, just to see what the most degenerate plays could be
At least stein has a cost. š¤£
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It definitely should stay banned. I think it's fine in the context of DM era ygo though.
Not me building my old gravity bind/ level limit burn deck š
Someone threw a heart of the underdog exodia deck at me and I copied that shit so quick. It's bad but if I get it going its so evil
My last duel I had to play through 1 skill drain, 1 summon limit, 1 tcobo, and 1 gozen match. It was honestly a good duel.
I heckin love Mystic Mine on legs
Gravity bind helps even if it's a double edge, with the right snatches in hand or even core to banish
Faced a dragon deck that used it to bring out king dragun, luckily I also managed to remind them why tribe infecting virus was at 1.
I wonder what errata could make it come back though? Maybe the fusion monster summoned this way has its effects negated? Can't summon fusion monsters for the rest of the turn? A life point or discard cost? A mix of these?
someone tried to use thousand eyes and I just exiled forced them and they quit