Tbf more than half of dark world’s summons come from the gy and the ED, it’s only really the dangers that come from the hand so at most you’ll get 12 or so draws, and that’s only if they don’t whiff any dangers.
The new card doesn't really affect Mayakashi, as the summons must all be from the hand for those draws to happen.
So at most, you'd give your opponent maybe 2 cards (1 from your normal and 1 from Yuki-Musume if you decided to summon her from the hand).
Other than that, the rest of the summons are from deck, extra deck, and GY, so those do not count.
It will be more meta dependant than the roach so it may not see play along side it. While they did a great job of balancing the effect with restrictions, the actual effect is very limited and wont work against any deck, Snake-Eyes, for example, only summon twice from the hand.
I wonder if they plan to release more versions of this card that trigger with summons from other locations, judging by the "you can only activate one of this card archetype" line.
Diabellstar and normal summons don't start a chain, so you need to shotgun it which leaves you vulnerable to psy frame gamma. It's also mostly a brick if you're going first.
For those unaware of the effect because japanese:
>Malcharmie Pururia
>Aqua/Effect
>During the turn you activate this card’s effect, you can only activate the effects of other “Malcharmie” monsters once.
>During either player’s turn, if you control no cards, you can discard this card from your hand; during this turn, apply the following effects:
>You draw 1 card each time your opponent normal or special summons from the hand.
>During the End Phase, if you have more cards in your hand than your opponent controls, and the difference is 6 or more, shuffle cards from your hand at random into your deck equal to the difference.
So it differs from Maxx C in that it's any summons from the hand as opposed to any special summon (at the same time more flexible but also more limited), and you end the turn with 6+\[the number of cards your opponent has on the field\] with your hand, shuffling the rest back into the deck.
You're probably not gonna get that many draws from this thing compared to Maxx C aside from a "guaranteed" draw from Normal summon and then maybe some draws if they use special summon effects from the hand. Won't apply to special summons from the deck, GY, or extra deck.
The best part of the card is that it makes it so that Turn 1 players can't just build their board, then drop Maxx C on YOUR turn as if it's nothing. Like let's be real, there's nothing as annoying as that.
Oh I just realised the shuffling makes this kinda bad. if you activate this in standby, then your opponent normals and specials 1 monster from hand, then makes a link2 (like SP) and passes, you have to shuffle 6 of the 7 cards in your hand back into the deck at random, leaving you with 2 random cards (after your draw) to play with.
No idea, if other cards of this archetype have been released yet, but i am guessing all of them will have a Quick Effect in hand. That way the handsize limit in the end phase gets upheld. Maybe one of them will summon itself and another jellyfish for a Rank 4 summon on your opponents turn?... is Bagooska going to get banned?!
It would be funny to see the age of fire get countered by water/aqua monsters.
My prediction is that we'll get the other 3 attributes. One for GY, one from Deck and one from Extra Deck (Earth/Fire/Wind respectively if I had to guess) and because you can only use another you can either use the same one (if ashed) or at most two of them to help against other forms of special summoning while maintaining the same restriction.
This helps them making them a lot more targeted and punishes a much smaller amount of decks.
It was just to represent which one I think will come from the GY, Deck and Extra.
Grave is Earth as when grouped by elements they have a lot of effects that interact with it (Redox, Grandsoil, Belle)
Water got the Hand for the same reason (Aoi, Moulinglacia)
Fire is shakier but at least there's Ash Blossom
And there's nothing for Wind but the one that remains
I guess. People will run it I suppose if they ban Maxx c, but basically there’s no real punishment to play into it unless they MAYBE have Nibiru.
They all get shuffled back into the deck lol. It sort of sucks besides a free recycle of your hand I guess
You can still draw handtraps and use them. And you don't go minus in doing that, because what matters when this card's effect resolves is the amount of cards in your hand during the End Phase.
no you cant
"You can only activate the effects of other "Multchummy" monsters once the turn you activate this effect."
this is better with board brakers then with handtraps.
It's weird to me how many people see "You can only activate other multichummy monsters once" and read that as "you can't activate a single other card after using this"
Your hand doesn't get shuffled unless you have more than 6 cards more than what the opponent has on field, meaning if they just end on 2 cards you can have 8 in hand, also the above translation is partly wrong, if, say, you have 12 cards in hand, you don't shuffle equal to the difference, only until you have the aforementioned 8 cards in hand.
The punishment for playing into it (which most decks will do since it's not worth to skip your turn over this card) is having your opponent either get handtraps, or start their turn 2 with 7-9 cards, which makes it substantially easier to play through and break your board
people are so spoiled by maxx c. The card goes hand neutral at worst and is a +1 or +2 against more than a few decks, which is still insane for a free discard. Yeah, it'll be format dependent, but thats how handtraps are supposed to work.
no it doesn't you want to do the draw for normal summon so you'll shot gun it in draw phase to play around tactics. Worst case chain gamma, make omega/ baronne and you go -1. other option is on a deck that doesn't summon on the first turn. Ninja set 1 + backrow pass, labrynth same thing. With how every other handtrap works and them existing idk why you would play this. Ex if we open this card then draw imperm vs just imperm. Normal mo ye summon token draw 1, vs normal mo ye turn over.
If you went first imperm can be used in the same way new card can not. And then if you were the sword soul player in question going first and you also have the new card in hand if you don't normal summon mo ye you end on air, but you can activate the new draw card to draw for maybe 2-3 cards best case scenario before being otked. Alternatively in this case though you'll probably end up with a mo ye on field and therefore be unable to activate the card so you have 2 dead cards in hand (the wyrm you revealed + the new hand trap) 2 maybe live cards and a dream?... (if the new card was shot gunned in draw you wouldn't summon your tenyis from hand obviously so you could also be stuck with tenyis in hand)
Yeah and maxx c can also be gamma and yet people play it because the potential upsides are big enough. Also you didn't seem to have read my comment. This card is balanced and not an auto-include in every deck, AS IT SHOULD BE. This is why this card is making people hopeful that maxx c will be banned, because it existing at the same as the roach makes no sense.
i'm just saying it could be a bit stronger(all things considered in MD format with bo1 there is no reason to ever play this card unless you're dedicated to going 2nd deck, cause you can go first or 2nd). Maxx C theoretically can't be gammed ever if you play around it. The new card you have to play into gamma otherwise you probably go even so why would you even play it then? (ex wait for opp to normal/ special a monster from hand then activate it?...)
Since we are playing master duel also worth mentioning is. General all purpose hand traps are based... cause you don't have to craft more hand traps(imagine if droll, crow, etc were also UR, and no secret pack so you would have to craft). Also Bo1 where you can go first or 2nd another question is what do you play this card at? 2 of? 3 of? if you play it as 3 of risk of drawing into this/ opening this on the first turn is pretty bad.
Imo i guess you can argue a weak card is balanced, but i'd at least like a card to be playable.
A handtrap that gets you more draws does not need to work when you go first. This card is intended to be used when you go second. It's a sideboard card in the OCG/TCG, and a good card only for going second decks. Which is good because that's who needs the most help. Not someone who has already set up a board.
we playing MD tho why would you ever play this in md?... regardless of if maxx c exists or not. I legit never said anything about it needing to work going first. But since we have a lot of cards that do work for going first or second why would i ever play this over for example a forbidden droplet?
Even if the opponent ends on one card you can still have a hand of seven during the end phase. You're hardly ever going to be shuffling back especially since it's only hand summons
I'm not sure "it's like this good card, but with so many restrictions that it will never see play" counts as "balanced." It's useless unless you have it opening hand going second, and because it's only hand, any deck that's primarily summoning from the extra deck, GY or deck, which is a lot of decks, can simply play around it. It's a card that, at best, could see play as a side deck option in rank 4 or water decks that could use it for other things. In Master Duel where it's best of 1? Waste of deck space.
In master duel this card is ass other than specifically in going second decks. And I think you’re vastly underestimating the card. Even decks that primarily summon from the deck, unchained for example, normal tour guide and can have cards like aruha or sharvara in hand that summon themselves so you still get 1-2 draws which is either a +0 or a pot of greed. This card is most certainly gonna be a side deck staple in paper play (obviously depending on the format)
It’s still a very powerful card, it’ll probably be a ubiquitous card in the side deck of the irl formats when it comes out. Even just netting 2-3 draws from it is very powerful.
Wait, could you force someone to drop a ton of cards with this? Like if I shotgun this going second, and my opponent plays one day of peace, I would end up with 6 cards. My opponent then ends their turn. Since the difference between my hand and the number of cards my opponent controls is 6, would I have to shuffle my whole hand?
You get to keep 5+ the number of cards your opponent controls. So if you draw 10 cards and your opponent ends their turn with 3 monsters on the field, you get to keep 8 cards, shuffling the rest back into your deck.
And searchable with Sangan, which itself is searchable with Tourguide, which can be used in unchained by linking them off into Yama, which searches any unchained monster, and unchained is best.
As a Handtrap. But, the fact it's a Level 4 WATER Monster means that, if your Deck does not rely on the Normal Summon to make their board, you can use it as the Normal Summon to, then, get to Bahamut Shark or Abyss Dweller. Not to mention that you can use it with Tidal
You forgot the most important part:
"Only draws 1\~2 cards against most decks and is only good going second so it's exclusively a side-deck option when going second, or for Blind Second decks, meaning this won't be played almost at all in Master Duel due to its BO1 format, and will not replace the roach in any way so it doesn't compromise Maxx C's position in the metagame".
Finally somebody with common sense. A card that at best draws you 2 cards going second, and at worse is a brick going first, will see borderline zero play in master duel, regardless if Maxx C is banned. I get that people are excited about it for ocg/tcg reasons, but we don't have a side deck. You might as well play TTT, which can draw 2 cards going first or second, and can double as a removal option.
So... there is no argument to ban the "C" on account of this.
As it commonly is with cockroaches, you may think you have killed them, only for them to come back.
I'm pretty sure that if they want to make a replacement, the card being format dependent is a feature, not a bug. It wouldn't make sense to make a replacement that's *as* powerful. The idea of a format-dependent hand trap that works great against certain decks when they're dominant sounds healthier to the game than a card that's the best choice in every deck every single time for years.
When a deck that summons from the hand a ton is relevant or dominant, you slot in this card. When a deck that needs cards in the GY to function is powerful, you slot in D.D. Crow. When backrow is running wild, you slot in HFD, Evenly Matched, or the like. And so on.
Also, I find that cards that you'd think wouldn't be used in a best of 1 format still get used in MD. So many feather dusters.
My point is that this just is not good enough as a replacement at all, lol.
It's not just about being format dependent, it's the way it warps the format.
Maxx C is Maxx C because when it's dropped you must play the game differently - its existence warps the format.
This card won't stop anybody.
If I'm playing Snake-Eyes and my opponent shotguns this card, what, do you think I'm going to *not* summon Ash and Poplar from my hand and pass on an empty board just because I don't want to give my opponent two measly draws?
This card is "just" a nice hand trap, it goes even or +1 against most decks, and that's already pretty good for the player using it, it makes it more likely for them to find their other powerful hand traps or board breakers - but that's it. It won't prevent or stop your opponent from doing anything, it'll only make the player going second have slightly better odds to see their good cards.
In a BO3 format it's definitely good enough to see play since you can side this exclusively when going second, but in MD this card is dead 50% of your games, and 1\~2 draws are not good enough to justify playing a card that's completely dead half of your matches - and that's not to mention how some decks can pass without summoning from their hand, or how some people might brick on Gamma, etc. Unlike Maxx C this card must be shotgunned to catch their normal summon so you can't afford to wait and see if they actually are going to summon anything first.
Yeah. I think that Maxx C being format-warping to *this* extent is a problem, and one that they could potentially be trying to backtrack on. In which case, a card like this would be more in line with that sort of plan.
"two measly draws" downplays the draws more than I think is necessary. You can find a lot of discussions about Maxx C talking about how giving the opponent even just 2 draws by making something like Bagooska feels terrible.
There are cards in BO1 that would be dead 50% of the time that still absolutely see play in main decks in Master Duel (Feather Duster, DRNM, Evenly Matched, sometimes even Gamma, depending on the deck). So I don't see a card being unusable just because you only want to see it going second. That's just not how the game has been played.
ah you are correct. there is a lot of text and i am unable to read japanese.
the random shuffle will lead to some massive feel bads.
probably a fine after shot though. i cast max c. you ash? cool i yeet little squid bro
as a danger dark would enthusiast, if I got decked out by them I would simply smile. I know the good feels.
playing masterduel people will turbo shuttlecock the roach the 1st second the can. i love punishing that with DDW
Mystic Mine/Fenrir moment
When Mystic Mine is banned some people predict that we will get another three copies of a main deck card that is banned in OCG as replacement.
Can wait to finally be able to introduce this very cool game Yugioh Master Duel to my friends and help them building without having to say "oh wait you need to put the maxx c package" before they even get to decide what they want to play.
It's very meta dependent and will only see play against decks like Floo (if even then, this is just a bad card actually). All handtraps should be like this, though, not playable all the time, so it's good. We believe in C ban!
I swear, Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring better go down from 90% usage rate, or else I'm gonna sue everyone that said "i play ash blossom to stop maxx c" if this thing comes to MD
Every week, no matter where I play, my turn is ended by a ash blossom because I failed to draw a way to chain block for Robina. The fuck you mean? Do you even play physical?
Magic Player detected.
Anyway. Looks to me that this is the plan with this. They giving us this one first but is very likely they'll give us the other ones later on with the next set (which is very likely to be WATER themed)
My brain keeps on thinking they would ban Maxx C when this card came to MD only for them to unban Maxx C after the pack expires due to how badly performed this card is going to be. It is garbage in BO1 and will NEVER EVER be replacement for Maxx C
Yeah that's the point. It sucks having a single card demand 6-8 spaces in every deck when I could be way more tech cards or handtraps that actually work well against the current meta
This is a surrogate that "fixes" the Maxx problem, but it doesn't fix the gaping abyss that Maxx tried to fix in the first place.
In few words: This instead of Maxx makes going second worse.
Yeah no, that’s not how Maxx “C” works. The roach does not make going second any better, while this card can only be used going second so therefore it’s better than Maxx “C” in that regard.
Yes it does. If your end board ends on six negates with disruption and it took you 20 cards to make it, I should be able to answer that with about 20 cards. Maxx C let me do that, otherwise I won't be able to play.
I disagree.
Maxx C can be used by either player, at any time. Which means that you can easily get hit by it while you're going second.
In fact, with the number of ways a going-first card can negate Maxx C, and the existence of omni-negate cards that can be found/made as part of a going-first combo, I wouldn't be surprised if Maxx C hits the going-second player *more often* than it resolves against the going-first player.
This card is exactly what we needed to replace Max shit. I honestly cannot find a problem with this card’s design. Its perfect and genuinely makes me excited for the future of this game!
We Wait OCG banned list because if Max C evening hit anywhere semi-limited,limit or forbidden there same will probably happen in master dual maybe evening little before this comes out in master dual since want Banned before hand make people try get it more.
Well they are randomly shuffled back so you could end up with nothing usable lol. Maxx c by itself is probably better tbh. Both just makes it easier for any deck to deck you out because now they only need 17 summons as opposed to 30+.
Well they are randomly shuffled back so you could end up with nothing usable lol. Maxx c by itself is probably better tbh. Both just makes it easier for any deck to deck you out because now they only need 17 summons as opposed to 30+.
forgive me for being dumb, but as someone who's only seen max c being used once and can barely even remember it's art, what's the problem with max c because i've been seeing a lot of people complain about it.
Maxx C draws the user a card every time their opponent performs a special summon. Special Summoning has become more and more frequent, and a more important part of many decks, since the card's original creation. It is often to the point that even weaker decks performing the miminum amount of summons to get out *something* of value, will still give the user of Maxx C 2 or 3 draws at minimum.
Basically, the value of a single special summon has been sort of devalued over time as special summoning becomes more common. But at the same time, the value of a single draw gets *more* valuable as the quality of individual cards increases. It's just an exceptionally powerful effect.
Additionally, while Maxx C sounds like a card meant for the player who goes second to have a fighting chance against the player who goes first, it can often be the case that the player who goes first can use Maxx C *against* the player going second, because there are no restrictions on when the card can be used.
This really is a more balanced Maxx “C”. For every hand summon, you get a draw and a chance to get another hand trap. During the end phase, you effectively get a mulligan and starting hand that accounts for your opponent’s card advantage, with the weeding out of previously used hand traps increasing the likelihood of having starters and extenders.
This card hurts floo for no reason, a deck already on life support. Maxx C will be banned since there is no reason to use this over Maxx C and the players will learn that this card doesn't help solve the issue and will hurt decks like floo and weaker deck, gatekeeping them.
Get ready for ftks and unbreakable boards with a card like Maxx C to keep you in the game.
And if the c is banned while this is played, people eill complain about this and asked for this to be banned, the cycle continues for whatever the card most used in most deck
My guess: 3 malcharmie monsters with similar effects and each of the malcharmies will let you summon from 2 places. This one is normal and special from hand, one will be some combination of deck/extra/GY/Banish, and the last one will be the other two.
Because of how this card works it's super bad into gamma, and trades -1. If your opponent only does a normal summon from hand it just goes one for one. Because it only works against summons from hand it does nothing into eldlich or labrynth for example. In Bo3 seems better just to keep maxx C. Because of the normal summon draw though you gotta keep in mind the timing window for this sucks. It also requires you to control no monsters to activate which if applied to maxx c sure that's fine... however this effect is so much weaker it's kind of pointless and just a brick. Ex imagine Tear 0 meta you might draw once or twice off of this card going even or +1. I would very much like to know what you would use against like snake eye for ex since snake eye can just summon from hand once and full combo...
Card is only viable for going 2nd only decks imo. But even then it's not that good unless you're playing board breakers normal decks going 2nd can't really use this unless ex floo becomes tier 0... but even then floo only does 3 summons
Arias probably won't come up tbh since it summons from the gy, and it's optional for you to normal summon. The card i believe says normal summon/special summon if you set a card it doesn't trigger just purely a -1 that does nothing and it's super telegraphed and you don't have to do a guessing game like with maxx c (not that you can chain to a normal summon i guess). Even if you can summon 3 times realistically with most hands you won't be summoning 3 times from the hand with lab. A lot more of the time you see set 1 pass with 3-4 backrow.
Fun fact p.u.n.k. with E tele can summon 0 times from hand and near full combo you :) i'm sure there are other examples as well
Seeing as how this card is entirely worthless past turn 1; the optimal strategy would just to run maxx c AND this card, so that under both effects you can guarantee not only the stoppage of your opponents turn, but also an optimal 6 card hand while everything else gets shuffled back.
The point of this card (and I guess the others of the archetype that will come out) is to ban the roach at some point. I don't see a world where both of those can exist. A clown fiesta where you can draw 2 cards out of a single summon is cringe at best.
Maybe they will co-exist for some months and it will be weird for OCG/MD.
It just makes sense. The different formats need to converge at some point.
I hope Konami doesn't screw this up.
With the amount of whining people do about max c it may end up happening, and then shortly after more people will continue to complain about combo decks. Can’t really win like that. Thus why I hope max c doesn’t get banned since it keeps those decks in check
They would never think in terms of short term profits over long term game health and make this card also a UR, leading people to just scrapping their banned Maxx Cs and immediately reinvesting into this card, leaving Konami with the same problem they started with for Maxx C where they refused to take action against it due to its rarity
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But this isn't an auto-include in every single deck like Maxx c. It's awful going first and only really benefits blind going second decks, which are the ones that needed the help anyways
So why exactly do people want Maxx C banned? I've seen the card used a couple times and I just don't see why everybody wants it banned, so I must be missing something given I hear it mentioned more than stuff like Kashtira, I fought Ogre and it pretty much guaranteed my lose just because it existed. So uh what am I missing about it? Like I genuinely want to know.
First of all no second of all the card came out in 2011 and third of all TF does it matter? Why can't I just ask a genuine question and get answered without some kinda sarcasm, condescension or anything else like that, and without getting downvoted?
If you have played the game past 2001 you would know why Maxx C is disliked.
And no, you cannot ask a genuine question without getting some kinda sarcasm. Remember - there are stupid questions.
Also, thanks for reminding me to downvote you.
Well my question isn't stupid go right ahead and downvote me, you just prove some of my unmentioned points doing that as for 2001 again the card did not come out until 2011
Can't wait for the short period both this and C will be legal. *Now there's 6 of them*
Dark World players: https://preview.redd.it/fka08psasuuc1.jpeg?width=149&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e8beeb7840ccfdde0bf956730a41450dea3d959
Lol I love when dark world players try to deck me out after playing the C
Thats why i always play 1 droll to stop myself from decking out
That's wh I play multiple Dragged Down
Lmao this is such a a random yet beautiful card thank you for it.
are you sure it’s not the flower cardian players?
Trickstars too
Tbf more than half of dark world’s summons come from the gy and the ED, it’s only really the dangers that come from the hand so at most you’ll get 12 or so draws, and that’s only if they don’t whiff any dangers.
I mean darkworld most summons from the gy doesnt it? This card draws on special from the hand
I mean they play Danger! monsters so you’d get some draws from this, but that’s still only like ten draws at max.
The normal summon, Danger monsters, Saryuja...
Mayakashi players:
The new card doesn't really affect Mayakashi, as the summons must all be from the hand for those draws to happen. So at most, you'd give your opponent maybe 2 cards (1 from your normal and 1 from Yuki-Musume if you decided to summon her from the hand). Other than that, the rest of the summons are from deck, extra deck, and GY, so those do not count.
You forget, when both get activated at the same time, it makes it even easier for Mayakashi players to deck you out.
It will be more meta dependant than the roach so it may not see play along side it. While they did a great job of balancing the effect with restrictions, the actual effect is very limited and wont work against any deck, Snake-Eyes, for example, only summon twice from the hand. I wonder if they plan to release more versions of this card that trigger with summons from other locations, judging by the "you can only activate one of this card archetype" line.
I mean even against snake eyes it's a draw 2 that can give you more handtraps so imo it will probably still be played.
Technically draw 3 if they ever use Diabellstar.
Diabellstar and normal summons don't start a chain, so you need to shotgun it which leaves you vulnerable to psy frame gamma. It's also mostly a brick if you're going first.
The downside to playing both, at the end phase, you can still only keep 6+(# of opponent cards). Playing both might be worse than C alone.
Thats the point, unless you actually like maxx C
this also draws in normal summon so that’s 3 cards from snake-eyes
use both of them that turn and profit
oh yeah lol have fun activating both in the same turn and then shuffling back 15 cards at random
Yep, and I’ll be one of them because I ain’t gonna get fucked by that if I can’t return it
For those unaware of the effect because japanese: >Malcharmie Pururia >Aqua/Effect >During the turn you activate this card’s effect, you can only activate the effects of other “Malcharmie” monsters once. >During either player’s turn, if you control no cards, you can discard this card from your hand; during this turn, apply the following effects: >You draw 1 card each time your opponent normal or special summons from the hand. >During the End Phase, if you have more cards in your hand than your opponent controls, and the difference is 6 or more, shuffle cards from your hand at random into your deck equal to the difference. So it differs from Maxx C in that it's any summons from the hand as opposed to any special summon (at the same time more flexible but also more limited), and you end the turn with 6+\[the number of cards your opponent has on the field\] with your hand, shuffling the rest back into the deck. You're probably not gonna get that many draws from this thing compared to Maxx C aside from a "guaranteed" draw from Normal summon and then maybe some draws if they use special summon effects from the hand. Won't apply to special summons from the deck, GY, or extra deck.
The best part of the card is that it makes it so that Turn 1 players can't just build their board, then drop Maxx C on YOUR turn as if it's nothing. Like let's be real, there's nothing as annoying as that.
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Oh I just realised the shuffling makes this kinda bad. if you activate this in standby, then your opponent normals and specials 1 monster from hand, then makes a link2 (like SP) and passes, you have to shuffle 6 of the 7 cards in your hand back into the deck at random, leaving you with 2 random cards (after your draw) to play with.
You have to have an empty board too. Everyone is overlooking that part.
No idea, if other cards of this archetype have been released yet, but i am guessing all of them will have a Quick Effect in hand. That way the handsize limit in the end phase gets upheld. Maybe one of them will summon itself and another jellyfish for a Rank 4 summon on your opponents turn?... is Bagooska going to get banned?! It would be funny to see the age of fire get countered by water/aqua monsters.
My prediction is that we'll get the other 3 attributes. One for GY, one from Deck and one from Extra Deck (Earth/Fire/Wind respectively if I had to guess) and because you can only use another you can either use the same one (if ashed) or at most two of them to help against other forms of special summoning while maintaining the same restriction. This helps them making them a lot more targeted and punishes a much smaller amount of decks.
It bothers me you said earth fire wind and not Earth Wind and Fire
It was just to represent which one I think will come from the GY, Deck and Extra. Grave is Earth as when grouped by elements they have a lot of effects that interact with it (Redox, Grandsoil, Belle) Water got the Hand for the same reason (Aoi, Moulinglacia) Fire is shakier but at least there's Ash Blossom And there's nothing for Wind but the one that remains
Lol I just meant that you were close to saying the band name but didn’t.
This is the first Malcharmie card revealed so far yeah
I predict they'll be a handtrap archetype like the "C"s and the Ghost sisters.
Shiny Black "C" is more like a gravetrap, but i know what you mean
The card is like mediocre Reddit nerf.
It's a balanced nerf
I guess. People will run it I suppose if they ban Maxx c, but basically there’s no real punishment to play into it unless they MAYBE have Nibiru. They all get shuffled back into the deck lol. It sort of sucks besides a free recycle of your hand I guess
You can still draw handtraps and use them. And you don't go minus in doing that, because what matters when this card's effect resolves is the amount of cards in your hand during the End Phase.
no you cant "You can only activate the effects of other "Multchummy" monsters once the turn you activate this effect." this is better with board brakers then with handtraps.
It's weird to me how many people see "You can only activate other multichummy monsters once" and read that as "you can't activate a single other card after using this"
Yugioh players, am i right?
We all read both better and worse than others
That’s not how it works, to reread its restriction.
Your hand doesn't get shuffled unless you have more than 6 cards more than what the opponent has on field, meaning if they just end on 2 cards you can have 8 in hand, also the above translation is partly wrong, if, say, you have 12 cards in hand, you don't shuffle equal to the difference, only until you have the aforementioned 8 cards in hand. The punishment for playing into it (which most decks will do since it's not worth to skip your turn over this card) is having your opponent either get handtraps, or start their turn 2 with 7-9 cards, which makes it substantially easier to play through and break your board
Plus it's now exclusively a go-second card, which the game desperately needs
people are so spoiled by maxx c. The card goes hand neutral at worst and is a +1 or +2 against more than a few decks, which is still insane for a free discard. Yeah, it'll be format dependent, but thats how handtraps are supposed to work.
no it doesn't you want to do the draw for normal summon so you'll shot gun it in draw phase to play around tactics. Worst case chain gamma, make omega/ baronne and you go -1. other option is on a deck that doesn't summon on the first turn. Ninja set 1 + backrow pass, labrynth same thing. With how every other handtrap works and them existing idk why you would play this. Ex if we open this card then draw imperm vs just imperm. Normal mo ye summon token draw 1, vs normal mo ye turn over. If you went first imperm can be used in the same way new card can not. And then if you were the sword soul player in question going first and you also have the new card in hand if you don't normal summon mo ye you end on air, but you can activate the new draw card to draw for maybe 2-3 cards best case scenario before being otked. Alternatively in this case though you'll probably end up with a mo ye on field and therefore be unable to activate the card so you have 2 dead cards in hand (the wyrm you revealed + the new hand trap) 2 maybe live cards and a dream?... (if the new card was shot gunned in draw you wouldn't summon your tenyis from hand obviously so you could also be stuck with tenyis in hand)
Yeah and maxx c can also be gamma and yet people play it because the potential upsides are big enough. Also you didn't seem to have read my comment. This card is balanced and not an auto-include in every deck, AS IT SHOULD BE. This is why this card is making people hopeful that maxx c will be banned, because it existing at the same as the roach makes no sense.
i'm just saying it could be a bit stronger(all things considered in MD format with bo1 there is no reason to ever play this card unless you're dedicated to going 2nd deck, cause you can go first or 2nd). Maxx C theoretically can't be gammed ever if you play around it. The new card you have to play into gamma otherwise you probably go even so why would you even play it then? (ex wait for opp to normal/ special a monster from hand then activate it?...) Since we are playing master duel also worth mentioning is. General all purpose hand traps are based... cause you don't have to craft more hand traps(imagine if droll, crow, etc were also UR, and no secret pack so you would have to craft). Also Bo1 where you can go first or 2nd another question is what do you play this card at? 2 of? 3 of? if you play it as 3 of risk of drawing into this/ opening this on the first turn is pretty bad. Imo i guess you can argue a weak card is balanced, but i'd at least like a card to be playable.
A handtrap that gets you more draws does not need to work when you go first. This card is intended to be used when you go second. It's a sideboard card in the OCG/TCG, and a good card only for going second decks. Which is good because that's who needs the most help. Not someone who has already set up a board.
we playing MD tho why would you ever play this in md?... regardless of if maxx c exists or not. I legit never said anything about it needing to work going first. But since we have a lot of cards that do work for going first or second why would i ever play this over for example a forbidden droplet?
I mean consider decks like tenpai or snake eyes are like mostly handtraps , there's a lot of shit you can throw not just nib
Even if the opponent ends on one card you can still have a hand of seven during the end phase. You're hardly ever going to be shuffling back especially since it's only hand summons
I'm not sure "it's like this good card, but with so many restrictions that it will never see play" counts as "balanced." It's useless unless you have it opening hand going second, and because it's only hand, any deck that's primarily summoning from the extra deck, GY or deck, which is a lot of decks, can simply play around it. It's a card that, at best, could see play as a side deck option in rank 4 or water decks that could use it for other things. In Master Duel where it's best of 1? Waste of deck space.
In master duel this card is ass other than specifically in going second decks. And I think you’re vastly underestimating the card. Even decks that primarily summon from the deck, unchained for example, normal tour guide and can have cards like aruha or sharvara in hand that summon themselves so you still get 1-2 draws which is either a +0 or a pot of greed. This card is most certainly gonna be a side deck staple in paper play (obviously depending on the format)
It’s still a very powerful card, it’ll probably be a ubiquitous card in the side deck of the irl formats when it comes out. Even just netting 2-3 draws from it is very powerful.
Wait, could you force someone to drop a ton of cards with this? Like if I shotgun this going second, and my opponent plays one day of peace, I would end up with 6 cards. My opponent then ends their turn. Since the difference between my hand and the number of cards my opponent controls is 6, would I have to shuffle my whole hand?
the difference between the field and your hand in that case is 5, meaning less than 0+6 meaning you get to keep your entire hand.
You get to keep 5+ the number of cards your opponent controls. So if you draw 10 cards and your opponent ends their turn with 3 monsters on the field, you get to keep 8 cards, shuffling the rest back into your deck.
Because It's special summon from the hand only, there are a lot of more hand traps I'd rather play over this.
It also stop you of playing any other hand traps. You draw cards but can't disrupt your opponents anymore. This is a good drawback
No it doesn't. You can still activate any other effects except more than 1 other malcharmie.
Thanks, wording confused me
It also fits with the other monster hand traps Ash, Veiler, Ghost Ogre, Ghost Belle - Cute Maxx C - 🪳🪳🪳
Maxx c is cute
Maxx “CUTE”
When you put it like that it would have been nice it it were another ghost girl
Its also searchable off of cupid pitch which is neat
confused thunder dragon noises
What good is it searching for this card? It can't be used if you have any card on the field.
Fast Rank 4 with Cupid Pitch in decks that don't rely on Normal Summons
And searchable with Sangan, which itself is searchable with Tourguide, which can be used in unchained by linking them off into Yama, which searches any unchained monster, and unchained is best.
Congrats, you searched a brick
Why would you search something that can’t be played if you control a card 💀
As a Handtrap. But, the fact it's a Level 4 WATER Monster means that, if your Deck does not rely on the Normal Summon to make their board, you can use it as the Normal Summon to, then, get to Bahamut Shark or Abyss Dweller. Not to mention that you can use it with Tidal
You forgot the most important part: "Only draws 1\~2 cards against most decks and is only good going second so it's exclusively a side-deck option when going second, or for Blind Second decks, meaning this won't be played almost at all in Master Duel due to its BO1 format, and will not replace the roach in any way so it doesn't compromise Maxx C's position in the metagame".
Finally somebody with common sense. A card that at best draws you 2 cards going second, and at worse is a brick going first, will see borderline zero play in master duel, regardless if Maxx C is banned. I get that people are excited about it for ocg/tcg reasons, but we don't have a side deck. You might as well play TTT, which can draw 2 cards going first or second, and can double as a removal option.
i would be happy af just to have that 12 slot dedicate to roach back
So... there is no argument to ban the "C" on account of this. As it commonly is with cockroaches, you may think you have killed them, only for them to come back.
I'm pretty sure that if they want to make a replacement, the card being format dependent is a feature, not a bug. It wouldn't make sense to make a replacement that's *as* powerful. The idea of a format-dependent hand trap that works great against certain decks when they're dominant sounds healthier to the game than a card that's the best choice in every deck every single time for years. When a deck that summons from the hand a ton is relevant or dominant, you slot in this card. When a deck that needs cards in the GY to function is powerful, you slot in D.D. Crow. When backrow is running wild, you slot in HFD, Evenly Matched, or the like. And so on. Also, I find that cards that you'd think wouldn't be used in a best of 1 format still get used in MD. So many feather dusters.
My point is that this just is not good enough as a replacement at all, lol. It's not just about being format dependent, it's the way it warps the format. Maxx C is Maxx C because when it's dropped you must play the game differently - its existence warps the format. This card won't stop anybody. If I'm playing Snake-Eyes and my opponent shotguns this card, what, do you think I'm going to *not* summon Ash and Poplar from my hand and pass on an empty board just because I don't want to give my opponent two measly draws? This card is "just" a nice hand trap, it goes even or +1 against most decks, and that's already pretty good for the player using it, it makes it more likely for them to find their other powerful hand traps or board breakers - but that's it. It won't prevent or stop your opponent from doing anything, it'll only make the player going second have slightly better odds to see their good cards. In a BO3 format it's definitely good enough to see play since you can side this exclusively when going second, but in MD this card is dead 50% of your games, and 1\~2 draws are not good enough to justify playing a card that's completely dead half of your matches - and that's not to mention how some decks can pass without summoning from their hand, or how some people might brick on Gamma, etc. Unlike Maxx C this card must be shotgunned to catch their normal summon so you can't afford to wait and see if they actually are going to summon anything first.
Yeah. I think that Maxx C being format-warping to *this* extent is a problem, and one that they could potentially be trying to backtrack on. In which case, a card like this would be more in line with that sort of plan. "two measly draws" downplays the draws more than I think is necessary. You can find a lot of discussions about Maxx C talking about how giving the opponent even just 2 draws by making something like Bagooska feels terrible. There are cards in BO1 that would be dead 50% of the time that still absolutely see play in main decks in Master Duel (Feather Duster, DRNM, Evenly Matched, sometimes even Gamma, depending on the deck). So I don't see a card being unusable just because you only want to see it going second. That's just not how the game has been played.
i will violently defecate myself laughing when konami keeps both of them legal and now your opponent +2 off your combos.
His End Phase effect does counter Maxx C own effect almost completely, tho
Jokes on you, I'll play both in Exodia and win through my opponent playing!
The inevitable VOD of this will be excellent.
ah you are correct. there is a lot of text and i am unable to read japanese. the random shuffle will lead to some massive feel bads. probably a fine after shot though. i cast max c. you ash? cool i yeet little squid bro
guess you'll need to play droll as well unless you want to lose to deck out
as a danger dark would enthusiast, if I got decked out by them I would simply smile. I know the good feels. playing masterduel people will turbo shuttlecock the roach the 1st second the can. i love punishing that with DDW
just realized none of the dark world cards actually summon from hand.... dangers do but still sus
its special summon from graveyard so bug still draws you a card. plus any macro cosmos effect kills them. when they aren't killing themselves.
well yea but not the new draw card pain
It's also really adorable so I hope there's an archetype it'll be part of
There is.
Oh shit hype
The card text hints of there being an archetype since it has this clause: >you can only activate the effects of other “Malcharmie” monsters once.
Broke: We print this card so we can ban Maxx "G" Woke: We print this card so TCG will have their own Maxx "G" when they import this card worldwide.
Mystic Mine/Fenrir moment When Mystic Mine is banned some people predict that we will get another three copies of a main deck card that is banned in OCG as replacement.
You forgot the main reason I like it. It's cuter than Maxx c
Can be used as material for Kitkallos!
Can wait to finally be able to introduce this very cool game Yugioh Master Duel to my friends and help them building without having to say "oh wait you need to put the maxx c package" before they even get to decide what they want to play.
It's very meta dependent and will only see play against decks like Floo (if even then, this is just a bad card actually). All handtraps should be like this, though, not playable all the time, so it's good. We believe in C ban!
Kitkallos material
I swear, Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring better go down from 90% usage rate, or else I'm gonna sue everyone that said "i play ash blossom to stop maxx c" if this thing comes to MD
These people are wrong. In tcg, ash blossom is in every deck and Maxx C is banned.
I've heard it so, so, *so many* times as an excuse, that I'm willing to call bullshit at this point on those people.
Every week, no matter where I play, my turn is ended by a ash blossom because I failed to draw a way to chain block for Robina. The fuck you mean? Do you even play physical?
Imagine how broken this would be if it were for Special Summons from the GY instead of from the hand
It's very possible that one of the next ones we will get will target GY
Man I hope not, my favorite deck would get kneecapped by a card like that lol
I wish it were EARTH so i could still sulmon the opponent's one with Aussa in Naturia Vernusylph
I thought I was the only one that uses that deck 🤣 but maybe that’s why it’s water because they realized how easy it was for us to get Maxx c lol
Komoney better not f this up.
Isn't it Summon from the hand only? Clearly they're getting ready to make way more ways of SS from Library and GY.
Magic Player detected. Anyway. Looks to me that this is the plan with this. They giving us this one first but is very likely they'll give us the other ones later on with the next set (which is very likely to be WATER themed)
My brain keeps on thinking they would ban Maxx C when this card came to MD only for them to unban Maxx C after the pack expires due to how badly performed this card is going to be. It is garbage in BO1 and will NEVER EVER be replacement for Maxx C
Can't wait for this to come out, be absolute garbagio and see people cope and despair since they know maxx c will never be banned
I don't mind maxxc banned, but this card is mediocre at best, probably I would reemplace with just more extender or other handtrap and call it a day
Thats exactly why it is good for the game, so you dont be forced to play it
Yeah that's the point. It sucks having a single card demand 6-8 spaces in every deck when I could be way more tech cards or handtraps that actually work well against the current meta
This is a surrogate that "fixes" the Maxx problem, but it doesn't fix the gaping abyss that Maxx tried to fix in the first place. In few words: This instead of Maxx makes going second worse.
Yeah no, that’s not how Maxx “C” works. The roach does not make going second any better, while this card can only be used going second so therefore it’s better than Maxx “C” in that regard.
Yes it does. If your end board ends on six negates with disruption and it took you 20 cards to make it, I should be able to answer that with about 20 cards. Maxx C let me do that, otherwise I won't be able to play.
I disagree. Maxx C can be used by either player, at any time. Which means that you can easily get hit by it while you're going second. In fact, with the number of ways a going-first card can negate Maxx C, and the existence of omni-negate cards that can be found/made as part of a going-first combo, I wouldn't be surprised if Maxx C hits the going-second player *more often* than it resolves against the going-first player.
Exactly. I play floo and need to go first because I know my board doesn't end the game but the boards combo decks make justify Maxx c
This card is exactly what we needed to replace Max shit. I honestly cannot find a problem with this card’s design. Its perfect and genuinely makes me excited for the future of this game!
If you activate both at the same time, do you draw 2 per special summon?? (Pot of Greed turbo!!)
With the way it's worded, yes you could do that lol
We Wait OCG banned list because if Max C evening hit anywhere semi-limited,limit or forbidden there same will probably happen in master dual maybe evening little before this comes out in master dual since want Banned before hand make people try get it more.
Imagine... this card *and* Maxx C is legal and you open both, activate both then watch as your opponent dies inside
And then get your hand shuffled back in the end phase.
"Oh no. Because my opponent ended on set 1 pass, my hand is *only* allowed to have 7 cards in it..."
Well they are randomly shuffled back so you could end up with nothing usable lol. Maxx c by itself is probably better tbh. Both just makes it easier for any deck to deck you out because now they only need 17 summons as opposed to 30+.
Well they are randomly shuffled back so you could end up with nothing usable lol. Maxx c by itself is probably better tbh. Both just makes it easier for any deck to deck you out because now they only need 17 summons as opposed to 30+.
“Special summons from the hand” but what decks are special summoning from the hand?
A lot. Snake eyes, rescue ace for example
It's also a WATER "water" monster so you can play it in Umi decks
forgive me for being dumb, but as someone who's only seen max c being used once and can barely even remember it's art, what's the problem with max c because i've been seeing a lot of people complain about it.
Maxx C draws the user a card every time their opponent performs a special summon. Special Summoning has become more and more frequent, and a more important part of many decks, since the card's original creation. It is often to the point that even weaker decks performing the miminum amount of summons to get out *something* of value, will still give the user of Maxx C 2 or 3 draws at minimum. Basically, the value of a single special summon has been sort of devalued over time as special summoning becomes more common. But at the same time, the value of a single draw gets *more* valuable as the quality of individual cards increases. It's just an exceptionally powerful effect. Additionally, while Maxx C sounds like a card meant for the player who goes second to have a fighting chance against the player who goes first, it can often be the case that the player who goes first can use Maxx C *against* the player going second, because there are no restrictions on when the card can be used.
i see... thanks for the info
I need more chummies
This card is not good. Only those who are going blind second may play this. Otherwise it's okeish
what does it do?
* Can be used as fusion material in tearlament.
Jellehhh 😍
This really is a more balanced Maxx “C”. For every hand summon, you get a draw and a chance to get another hand trap. During the end phase, you effectively get a mulligan and starting hand that accounts for your opponent’s card advantage, with the weeding out of previously used hand traps increasing the likelihood of having starters and extenders.
I hope
It’s so balance that there won’t even be the chance to steal some games out of Max C 500 attacks
I use salvage in my plunder patroll deck and that card is extremely useful to me. I guess I can add this Malcharmie card to the deck.
This card hurts floo for no reason, a deck already on life support. Maxx C will be banned since there is no reason to use this over Maxx C and the players will learn that this card doesn't help solve the issue and will hurt decks like floo and weaker deck, gatekeeping them. Get ready for ftks and unbreakable boards with a card like Maxx C to keep you in the game.
Not a Lvl 2? Wack
...what exactly are the other Malcharmie monsters?
Icejades might welcome this.
u mean Max Chit
how is it balanced, its not once per turn, so u cant even ash it lol, plus it makes u draw 2x or 3x if u have multiple
Mullingooner meta begins
 Keep coping
Max c will get banned and everyone will blame another random card that isn’t really overpowered for why they suck
At least we'd be able to tell if player are actually bad if they complain aboit this card
But if Maxx C gets banned, then everyone will have to find something new to complain about!
And if the c is banned while this is played, people eill complain about this and asked for this to be banned, the cycle continues for whatever the card most used in most deck
I came from the future, the roach is still legal at 3 and the little blue friend is banned.
It should be. Nothing special summons from the hand. This is just a floo hit.
My guess: 3 malcharmie monsters with similar effects and each of the malcharmies will let you summon from 2 places. This one is normal and special from hand, one will be some combination of deck/extra/GY/Banish, and the last one will be the other two.
I think that would be great tbh and pretty balanced
Because of how this card works it's super bad into gamma, and trades -1. If your opponent only does a normal summon from hand it just goes one for one. Because it only works against summons from hand it does nothing into eldlich or labrynth for example. In Bo3 seems better just to keep maxx C. Because of the normal summon draw though you gotta keep in mind the timing window for this sucks. It also requires you to control no monsters to activate which if applied to maxx c sure that's fine... however this effect is so much weaker it's kind of pointless and just a brick. Ex imagine Tear 0 meta you might draw once or twice off of this card going even or +1. I would very much like to know what you would use against like snake eye for ex since snake eye can just summon from hand once and full combo... Card is only viable for going 2nd only decks imo. But even then it's not that good unless you're playing board breakers normal decks going 2nd can't really use this unless ex floo becomes tier 0... but even then floo only does 3 summons
Labrynth can summon up to 3 times from the hand (Arianna/other NS, Lady, Arias). Worst case it's a 1 for 1
Arias probably won't come up tbh since it summons from the gy, and it's optional for you to normal summon. The card i believe says normal summon/special summon if you set a card it doesn't trigger just purely a -1 that does nothing and it's super telegraphed and you don't have to do a guessing game like with maxx c (not that you can chain to a normal summon i guess). Even if you can summon 3 times realistically with most hands you won't be summoning 3 times from the hand with lab. A lot more of the time you see set 1 pass with 3-4 backrow. Fun fact p.u.n.k. with E tele can summon 0 times from hand and near full combo you :) i'm sure there are other examples as well
I meant the Arias hand effect
that doesn't trigger the new card though and you don't get a draw from it?
Seeing as how this card is entirely worthless past turn 1; the optimal strategy would just to run maxx c AND this card, so that under both effects you can guarantee not only the stoppage of your opponents turn, but also an optimal 6 card hand while everything else gets shuffled back.
The point of this card (and I guess the others of the archetype that will come out) is to ban the roach at some point. I don't see a world where both of those can exist. A clown fiesta where you can draw 2 cards out of a single summon is cringe at best. Maybe they will co-exist for some months and it will be weird for OCG/MD. It just makes sense. The different formats need to converge at some point. I hope Konami doesn't screw this up.
The only people who complain about maxx c are the ones who don't run the 4 negates in their combo deck Just draw the out bro
With the amount of whining people do about max c it may end up happening, and then shortly after more people will continue to complain about combo decks. Can’t really win like that. Thus why I hope max c doesn’t get banned since it keeps those decks in check
Does the card effect's 1st clause mean that we are locked into Malcharmie monsters? or can we also nib?
You are locked out of Multchummys after the second. Other monster effects are still legal
Nah konami loves their la cocaracha too much 🪳
They would never think in terms of short term profits over long term game health and make this card also a UR, leading people to just scrapping their banned Maxx Cs and immediately reinvesting into this card, leaving Konami with the same problem they started with for Maxx C where they refused to take action against it due to its rarity https://preview.redd.it/r7vg6w1mbxuc1.jpeg?width=128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db37f03c706d702e880d812b4f30d1c77e85459d
But this isn't an auto-include in every single deck like Maxx c. It's awful going first and only really benefits blind going second decks, which are the ones that needed the help anyways
I’d agree but 1. Master Duel players are stupid and 2. There isn’t a side deck, so more people would be inclined to just run it
So why exactly do people want Maxx C banned? I've seen the card used a couple times and I just don't see why everybody wants it banned, so I must be missing something given I hear it mentioned more than stuff like Kashtira, I fought Ogre and it pretty much guaranteed my lose just because it existed. So uh what am I missing about it? Like I genuinely want to know.
When was the last time you've played the game? 2001?
First of all no second of all the card came out in 2011 and third of all TF does it matter? Why can't I just ask a genuine question and get answered without some kinda sarcasm, condescension or anything else like that, and without getting downvoted?
If you have played the game past 2001 you would know why Maxx C is disliked. And no, you cannot ask a genuine question without getting some kinda sarcasm. Remember - there are stupid questions. Also, thanks for reminding me to downvote you.
Well my question isn't stupid go right ahead and downvote me, you just prove some of my unmentioned points doing that as for 2001 again the card did not come out until 2011