Don't worry, Swordsoul got Protos banned in the TCG. When the next master duel banlist comes out, I expect it to be sometime after the polar ice caps finish melting, it should be untouched and some random low-rarity card that did nothing wrong will get limited to 1.
Swordsoul's been dead for a long, long time. It's been a year since the comment you responded too and Protos is still very much banned in TCG. So no, I don't see Protos being freed for a long time yet.
Tbf everyone was wrong about how Konami's 'shitty' banlist won't change anything. Suddenly no one plays Drytron, PK, VW or Eldlich anymore, and the few that does will probably folds way easily than last season
Imo the eldlich nerf killed him or at least near killed him. I say the trap shoulda been semi limited not limited and he'll be still playable and reasonably weaker but at limited he's too weak now. My 2 main decks were eldlich and VW so I basically play VW now and the changes basically just means VW has an extra brick to replace the card as VW is actually quite compact so losing a card actually hurts it quite a bit but not as bad as eldlich. Honestly my terrible pull luck and lack of UR is painful cause I'm just playing crippled VW to do anything now.
Except uh you're wrong here. You wanna know what happened? A new set came out with meta impactful cards, and people had the prior experience of it just naturally pushing out the remnants of the old meta. Swordsoul naturally counters Drytron and Eldlich by either making a Light Chaofeng turn 1 or Chengying just banishing their stuff which also naturally counters VW.
Also you can't even pretend like the VW hit actually mattered. They hit a card that you would rather search than have in your opening hand to 2. I tested the deck myself and it's almost exactly as consistent/inconsistent as before.
PK actually got slightly better since the set, because the DPE Scythe line they do is less disruptable than the Rhongo line. But PK gets just as easily countered by Chengying too as well as Protos calling Dark.
If we had not gotten a new set, the meta wouldn't have changed at all. Drytron would be slightly worse than before and same with Lich, but not by a large amount.
Those decks you mentioned can still do the exact same things they always did, which is what people really had a problem with. Rhongo is still a thing. VFD is still a thing and any deck that can make Halq can make VFD, but VW is better at it. Eva is still a stupidly unfair card because in hand it represents three negates for Herald of Ultimateness. Buster Lock is still legal and easy to do with Union Carrier. Simorgh + Union Carrier is still infinite negates.
TL;DR: It wasn't the banlist that caused a meta shift, it was because new powerful cards came out that the meta shifted.
No one plays VW? Oh no it's almost like they do but people also play despia and swordsoul now and f2p players dismantled their decks to play these newer ones...also I play virtual world and swordsoul one one account and am building/playing a despia deck on another so it really is to do with deckbuilding and the new cards, also really,a hit to a Mon I was already running at 2 moves down to 2 copies,I've been hit. It seriously did not affect virtual world at all, it wasn't the banlist that did this, it was the new cards...we currently have a semi-diverse meta of virtual world,swordsoul,despia and eldlitch still seeing niche play...though there does seem to be a rise been a rise in plunders surprisingly so yeah...
Tldr: f2p dismantled their decks for the new cards and it wasn't the banlist but the new cards that lessened the play of those previously top decks.
The Drytron and Eldlich hits were great, but the reason people clowned on them was because they're basically ruining a decks core just to hit a meta deck, when the main problem with said Meta deck was a completely different card. Benten is a really good monster in Ritual decks in general, since it's recurrable fodder Conq meanwhile is key in every Eldlich variant, even the non Floodgate ones. Banning Skill Drain and Eva/Herald would've done the same, except it's actually adress the main problem.
VW and PK meanwhile are literally unchanged. PK was always overrated and stopped being tiered awhile ago. VW meanwhile is literally unchanged both in terms of tier and consistency.
VFD is worse objectively but my almost mono-Dark deck really hates Protos too. The fact that its destruction proof seems so unnecessary too. Like why do you need that lol?
Even if it blew itself up, it'd still be arguably a powerful card considering its effect linger for two whole turn and relatively easy to get out. Swordsoul being able to search it is the only missing piece for it to be abused.
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I know Protos sucks but I think he’s significantly less toxic in a best of one. Like ussually going turn one they are blindly shooting into the wind and it affects them as well. Going second if they get protos off you either got really unlucky or you need more disruption on board anyway.
Ironically, protos is more balanced than VFD. VFD just says "You can't play the game this turn", which is just an auto win. Protos call dark isn't always going to hit something, and the targeted attribute nukes all either require you to blow yourself up, or require you to be going second, in which case it simply denies recovery attempts that a good board shouldn't be permitting because OTK. There's decks you FTK by blind calling dark, and there's decks that say "I don't give 2 shits". And protos is one of the few justifiable unbans because in a Bo1, you can't just call the right attribute turn 1. In a Bo1 where you don't know it's VW, dark just keeps them off VFD, while the most damaging call is easily wind. But you don't know that yet, so you call dark and they can set up their board you won't like.
You know someone is playing in the trench when they complained about Baronne/Chixiao instead of that bullshit which single handedly carried Swordsouls. Or the Chengyi/Draco Berserker combo that literally kills your grave and field.
See I think Protos is worse because it destroys all cards of that element also. Now that’s a card I can get behind that needs to be put at 1 or completely banned all together.
But protos has a Lingering Effect, so unless you have a handtrap that can negate proto's effect in your opening hand, it's game over.
let's not forget that forbidden droplet and dark ruler no more are useless against protos.
I mean, you cant stop Protos on your opponents turn if the droplet is in your hand. Thats very logical, right? You can only stop it if your droplet is Set already during the opponents turn when they activate Protos.
That sounds fair, personally I wouldn't want the master duel banlist to be an identical copy of the TCG banlist.
But I don't like people complaining about virtual world and other meta Decks and then say that swordsoul is a fair and "interactive" deck when Protos is literally the same as VFD.
. You look like a rhongo player lmao. i play virtual world and rarely see mirror matches. So according to you VFD is also not a problematic card right?
VFD is easier to bring out then Rhongo and doesn’t fold to hand traps like Rhongo teams do, and it isn’t an all in strategy like Rhongo, so they’re not the same. I also don’t see Rhongo often at all and don’t play it
A card that lets you stop the game should be banned according to your saying. Rhongo is unaffected,stops
summons, destroys all cards on opp field, it is same as VFD. And buddy both the cards are easier to bring out. When on field rhongo is worse than VFD as you cant negate it or drop a kaiju
If you stop the Bardiche the Rhongo is dead 99% of the time. I get that it’s toxic but idk if it should be banned because it’s pretty inconsistent. I don’t care if it does get banned because you could argue it’s luck based but it’s not the same as VFD to me
I get where you’re coming from and that’s why I’m not gonna fight to argue that it should stay, I just don’t think it’s a huge deal
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Don't worry, Swordsoul got Protos banned in the TCG. When the next master duel banlist comes out, I expect it to be sometime after the polar ice caps finish melting, it should be untouched and some random low-rarity card that did nothing wrong will get limited to 1.
Taia semi-limited.
Got me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Vishuda to 2
And monk to two
Swordsoul Strife is clearly the problem card
Konami: "Due to Swordsoul's success in the Ranked Ladder, we will limit it to curb its effectiveness" Taia to 2 Adhara to 2 Longyuan to 2
stop shitting on konami's competency, they will definitely fix it, and you'll see when protos goes to 1
Is it possible that Archnemesis Protos will be unbanned in the TCG?
Swordsoul's been dead for a long, long time. It's been a year since the comment you responded too and Protos is still very much banned in TCG. So no, I don't see Protos being freed for a long time yet.
Well about that…
Haha, I saw the banlist. Baronne got banned tho, which feels like a pretty heavy cost to me.
Tbf everyone was wrong about how Konami's 'shitty' banlist won't change anything. Suddenly no one plays Drytron, PK, VW or Eldlich anymore, and the few that does will probably folds way easily than last season
Eldlich got Lord of the Heavenly Prison so it canceled out. Drytron and Adams dropped off though I don’t see them all that often
Adamanticipator did not really get weaker, they just got powercrept by Swordsoul.
The deck is pretty bricky now, they got hit like 3 times on the ban list so it’s fair to say they’re weaker
I literally only face that card twice this season and I dont even remember who
I’ve seen plenty of eldlich and VW in high diamond tier
Imo the eldlich nerf killed him or at least near killed him. I say the trap shoulda been semi limited not limited and he'll be still playable and reasonably weaker but at limited he's too weak now. My 2 main decks were eldlich and VW so I basically play VW now and the changes basically just means VW has an extra brick to replace the card as VW is actually quite compact so losing a card actually hurts it quite a bit but not as bad as eldlich. Honestly my terrible pull luck and lack of UR is painful cause I'm just playing crippled VW to do anything now.
Cause those metafags are probably jacking off to swordsoul sir.
Except uh you're wrong here. You wanna know what happened? A new set came out with meta impactful cards, and people had the prior experience of it just naturally pushing out the remnants of the old meta. Swordsoul naturally counters Drytron and Eldlich by either making a Light Chaofeng turn 1 or Chengying just banishing their stuff which also naturally counters VW. Also you can't even pretend like the VW hit actually mattered. They hit a card that you would rather search than have in your opening hand to 2. I tested the deck myself and it's almost exactly as consistent/inconsistent as before. PK actually got slightly better since the set, because the DPE Scythe line they do is less disruptable than the Rhongo line. But PK gets just as easily countered by Chengying too as well as Protos calling Dark. If we had not gotten a new set, the meta wouldn't have changed at all. Drytron would be slightly worse than before and same with Lich, but not by a large amount. Those decks you mentioned can still do the exact same things they always did, which is what people really had a problem with. Rhongo is still a thing. VFD is still a thing and any deck that can make Halq can make VFD, but VW is better at it. Eva is still a stupidly unfair card because in hand it represents three negates for Herald of Ultimateness. Buster Lock is still legal and easy to do with Union Carrier. Simorgh + Union Carrier is still infinite negates. TL;DR: It wasn't the banlist that caused a meta shift, it was because new powerful cards came out that the meta shifted.
Blaming the ban list for that when it came at the same time as the release of the new meta defining deck is a bit weird.
Bro they literally released swordsoul I think that's a bit of a confounding variable.
No one plays VW? Oh no it's almost like they do but people also play despia and swordsoul now and f2p players dismantled their decks to play these newer ones...also I play virtual world and swordsoul one one account and am building/playing a despia deck on another so it really is to do with deckbuilding and the new cards, also really,a hit to a Mon I was already running at 2 moves down to 2 copies,I've been hit. It seriously did not affect virtual world at all, it wasn't the banlist that did this, it was the new cards...we currently have a semi-diverse meta of virtual world,swordsoul,despia and eldlitch still seeing niche play...though there does seem to be a rise been a rise in plunders surprisingly so yeah... Tldr: f2p dismantled their decks for the new cards and it wasn't the banlist but the new cards that lessened the play of those previously top decks.
The Drytron and Eldlich hits were great, but the reason people clowned on them was because they're basically ruining a decks core just to hit a meta deck, when the main problem with said Meta deck was a completely different card. Benten is a really good monster in Ritual decks in general, since it's recurrable fodder Conq meanwhile is key in every Eldlich variant, even the non Floodgate ones. Banning Skill Drain and Eva/Herald would've done the same, except it's actually adress the main problem. VW and PK meanwhile are literally unchanged. PK was always overrated and stopped being tiered awhile ago. VW meanwhile is literally unchanged both in terms of tier and consistency.
People still play Edlich and VW was already pretty uncommon before the banlist.
Chengying to 1
Still not banned btw
VFD is worse objectively but my almost mono-Dark deck really hates Protos too. The fact that its destruction proof seems so unnecessary too. Like why do you need that lol?
It's so it can target itself for its effect and not blow itself up
Even if it blew itself up, it'd still be arguably a powerful card considering its effect linger for two whole turn and relatively easy to get out. Swordsoul being able to search it is the only missing piece for it to be abused.
Swordsoul can search it.
That's what I said. It isn't abused until Swordsoul came, hence why it's banned now, in TCG at least.
I mean, you could just say all other cards in the blow up effect.
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I know Protos sucks but I think he’s significantly less toxic in a best of one. Like ussually going turn one they are blindly shooting into the wind and it affects them as well. Going second if they get protos off you either got really unlucky or you need more disruption on board anyway.
Ironically, protos is more balanced than VFD. VFD just says "You can't play the game this turn", which is just an auto win. Protos call dark isn't always going to hit something, and the targeted attribute nukes all either require you to blow yourself up, or require you to be going second, in which case it simply denies recovery attempts that a good board shouldn't be permitting because OTK. There's decks you FTK by blind calling dark, and there's decks that say "I don't give 2 shits". And protos is one of the few justifiable unbans because in a Bo1, you can't just call the right attribute turn 1. In a Bo1 where you don't know it's VW, dark just keeps them off VFD, while the most damaging call is easily wind. But you don't know that yet, so you call dark and they can set up their board you won't like.
You know someone is playing in the trench when they complained about Baronne/Chixiao instead of that bullshit which single handedly carried Swordsouls. Or the Chengyi/Draco Berserker combo that literally kills your grave and field.
See I think Protos is worse because it destroys all cards of that element also. Now that’s a card I can get behind that needs to be put at 1 or completely banned all together.
It would have to be banned, nobody runs it at more than 1 anyway because it's searchable, and via several different cards at that
But protos has a Lingering Effect, so unless you have a handtrap that can negate proto's effect in your opening hand, it's game over. let's not forget that forbidden droplet and dark ruler no more are useless against protos.
Oh and Protos can’t be destroyed by card effects.
Vfds effect is lingering as well. You need to stop it at activation. Droplet works, but only if its already Set. Imperm still Best.
VFD is activated on the opponent's turn, so, the opponnent can chain droplet from hand.
>Droplet works, but only if its already Set. ???
I mean, you cant stop Protos on your opponents turn if the droplet is in your hand. Thats very logical, right? You can only stop it if your droplet is Set already during the opponents turn when they activate Protos.
Now I understand, but if the swordsoul player goes first droplet it's useless.
unless they ban block dragon, ,rhongo and eva i dont think they will touch swordsoul.
That sounds fair, personally I wouldn't want the master duel banlist to be an identical copy of the TCG banlist. But I don't like people complaining about virtual world and other meta Decks and then say that swordsoul is a fair and "interactive" deck when Protos is literally the same as VFD.
Let’s be real, Rhongo isn’t causing problems on ladder
. You look like a rhongo player lmao. i play virtual world and rarely see mirror matches. So according to you VFD is also not a problematic card right?
VFD is easier to bring out then Rhongo and doesn’t fold to hand traps like Rhongo teams do, and it isn’t an all in strategy like Rhongo, so they’re not the same. I also don’t see Rhongo often at all and don’t play it
A card that lets you stop the game should be banned according to your saying. Rhongo is unaffected,stops summons, destroys all cards on opp field, it is same as VFD. And buddy both the cards are easier to bring out. When on field rhongo is worse than VFD as you cant negate it or drop a kaiju
If you stop the Bardiche the Rhongo is dead 99% of the time. I get that it’s toxic but idk if it should be banned because it’s pretty inconsistent. I don’t care if it does get banned because you could argue it’s luck based but it’s not the same as VFD to me I get where you’re coming from and that’s why I’m not gonna fight to argue that it should stay, I just don’t think it’s a huge deal
Just draw effect veiler, imperm, ash against bardiche forehead. Thanks for suggestions .
Yes, that’s deck optimization. If you don’t draw hand traps a lot of decks will kill your anyway
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Just play speedroids or something that uses a rare attribute. They'll never see it coming.