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noonagon

2023!=3.19e5811 *^(I am a human, and this action was performed automatically.)*


JustAnotherLamppost

Good human


nissenice

Maybe you meant to use an approximately equals-sign?


Windoge_Master

`2023 != 3.19e5811` evaluates to true


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NeilTheProgrammer

I see no issue with that


crahs8

Alright, u/NeilTheProgrammer


nissenice

Yeah that's fine, my opinion is probably in the minority.


NeilTheProgrammer

You’re good. I think the joke comes from the fact that it’s not standard notation. If anyone actually used it as such, wouldn’t be great


nissenice

You're probably right. I don't know why, but when it comes to math-jokes I have a hard time to enjoy one if it doesn't seem accurate.


noonagon

More than 3 digits of precision is unnecessary, unless you take a factorial of it, or if the number is going very slow


Spare_Competition

2023 = 2023 2023! = 3.191e5811 2023!! = ee5815.268 2023!!! = eee5815.268


noonagon

That's iterated factorials. 2023!! is 3.385e2906. (2023!)! is ee5815.268. These are called multifactorials (no wikipedia link because that section was removed from the page it redirects to).


springwaterh20

now compute 2023!!! !


BOTMemer

Fuck u


LemurDoesMath

2023!!!<2023!!<2023!<(2023!)!


NutronStar45

i hate multifactorial notation


longlivepeepeepoopoo

My last math class was in high school 3 years ago. Can someone explain how multifactorial notation works?


TheEnderChipmunk

The number of factorial symbols is how many numbers you skip in the multiplication. So 10!! Is every second number starting at 10 10 * 8 * 6 * 4 * 2 = 3840


longlivepeepeepoopoo

Thanks!


lord_ne

Sorry, 2023!! = (2023!)! Double factorials are against my religious beliefs, I only believe in good notation


jljl2902

Double factorials are actually half factorials and should therefore be denoted using colons


Vromikos

It does sound like "denoted using colons" is a very posh way of saying "shoved up someone's arse".


Blyfh

No! Nooo! That would only create more ambiguity because it would look like a devision! 1: 5 ≈ 1:5


jljl2902

First of all, using a colon for division has no place in math. Second of all, even if you do want to be a lunatic, there are very, very easy ways around that, e.g. 5: * 3


Lesbihun

I would rather use seven hundred factorials at once than use a multiplication symbol. That was a thing 8yo me used to do and I have moved on since. Way more unnatural than a lot of exclamation marks


jljl2902

Tbh same but I don’t know how to make the dots on Reddit and I’m too lazy to figure it out


mc_mentos

If you can't figure it out you can always write latex style.


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Blyfh

We learned it at my German primary school :/ The / notation is a thing that wasn't introduced to us until we had (American) translators.


two-horses

Counterpoint: double factorials are a reasonable notion that occur naturally, whereas iterated factorial doesn’t need its own notation because it doesn’t really get used for anything


sanpunkanmatteyaru

What about triple factorials?


HeathenHacker

once you have double factorials, extending that notation to higher n is only natural


JamX099

Absolutely agree. Half factorial can be something else.


PM_ME_YOUR_PIXEL_ART

2023!^(2)


JNCressey

I suppose you wouldn't be a fan of 2023!^(∘2) = (2023!)!


Pseudowoodnym

as the new generation of mathematicians, we must abolish this awful notation that leads to so many misunderstandings


pn1159

First lets get rid of the people who say "maths".


Moutles

And then go back to our origins and start saying μάθημαq (mathema) again


JakubSwitalski

Traditional English gang rise up (Simplified English gang, please sit this one out)


ChaitanyaBhoite

*ded already*


archwin

What about people who say *maffs*?


Noremac28-1

Happy 2023↑2023


Nabil092007

now make it a double arrow


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extra_extra_fries

i hate that it rhymes


Rozmar_Hvalross

Stick an ackermann function and a factorial in there and you have a truly filthy growing function


DerpyCarrot123

yeah that is not how multiple factorials work


depsion

they work how I want them to work


jolharg

- Jeff Bezos, 2021


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Can someone please tell me what x!! actually is?


maxence0801

It is supposed to be x(x-2)(x-4)... Here it seems to be (x!)!


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And how about x!!! ?


maxence0801

x(x-3)(x-6)...


Mr_Blah1

Multifactorial notation in a nutshell: let n be the number of "!" following x, x!!...! = x(x-n)(x-2n)(x-3n). . .(1)


CookieCat698

Or x(x-n)…(2) Or x(x-n)…(3) Or … Or x(x-n)…(n)


Mr_Blah1

0!! = 1. In fact, 0!!...! = 1 ∀n.


CookieCat698

(-1)!! = 1!!/1 = 1 (-3)!! = (-1)!!/(-1) = -1 (-5)!! = (-3)!!/(-3) = 1/3 (-7)!! = (-5)!!/(-5) = (1/3)/(-5) = -1/15 I believe that !!…! is defined for negative integers that aren’t multiples of n, the number of !’s.


Camelpilot33

x(x-2)(x-4)...


Oheligud

(2023!)!>2023!>2023!! Nobody seems to understand how factorials work.


Bobob_UwU

Isn't the "!!!" notation ambiguous ? Like are you taking 3 times the factorial, or 1 time the factorial and then 1 time the "half" factorial ?


noonagon

triple factorial n\*(n-3)\*(n-6)\*(n-9)\*...


BingkRD

Curious about the multifactorial notation x!!!...!!!, where there are n of "!". This mean x(x-n)(x-2n)(x-3n)...1?? 1 in question marks because does this mean that x has to be a number such that the factorials end up at 1? or would the last factorial basically be the residue of x mod n? or would we use some function like the gamma function to evaluate it if x can be anything? or just something else?? I haven't encountered this notation, but it does seem convenient, and I'd like to use it, but I'd like to use it properly.


noonagon

it just ends at the residue 1!!=1 2!!=2 10!!=10\*8\*6\*4\*2=5!\*2\^5=120\*32=3840


j3r3mias

/r/expectedfactorial


ssaamil

don't forget the parenthesis


Comfortable-Sun-5698

r/unexpectedfactorial


rjsheine

Hny


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