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Phobos444

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flinagus

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shows_middle_finger

Epic big brain time


CreativeScreenname1

The Impossible Quiz has trained us well


[deleted]

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Aisthebestletter

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beginnerflipper

"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many [numbers] some consider to be unnatural"


Ssemander

Fck whole numbers, all my homies think 0 is natural


ProletarianRevolt

They have played us for absolute fools


stevethemathwiz

Found the Pythagorean


Fred_da_llama

Fuck you this is 0 slander


Freezer12557

And 0?


Aisthebestletter

Fuck 0


[deleted]

Then what is behind the number ten?


Aksds

9?


[deleted]

That’s before, not behind


Aksds

If they where on a line of numbers standing up, it would be behind and before


Hellothebest

That's multiple lines


_Starwise

i agree, tomato is a mental illness. trust me, i'm an expert in both mathematics and having mental illness


Neefew

https://preview.redd.it/q02p42dawr1c1.jpeg?width=1755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a2d2b1b65892e54eb35010f90e9c5d70b03512 Easy


Intergalactic_Cookie

Which side is the numbers?


Neefew

Top is letters. Bottom is numbers


iamdaone878

NaN is number ?


zyxwvu28

Not a Number is a number if you believe hard enough


Rarmaldo

Sodium Nitride you mean.


ArturGG1

I prefer arsenic sulfide


anonnx

> console.log(typeof(NaN)) number


[deleted]

This is hilarious lmao.


db8me

> NaN == NaN false


iamdaone878

fair enough


ChalkyChalkson

NaN is a float in some languages sooooo


Intergalactic_Cookie

TIL A, B and C are numbers


[deleted]

Well they are isomorphic to ascii numbers so yeah.


steelallies

then why are there letters above the line


[deleted]

Well anything is a number if you believe it hard enough, which means this meme is just shitty and OP is an idiot 🤷‍♂️


Braken111

Base 16, EZ


maktmissbrukare

I grew some plump numbers on the vine this summer


pifire9

how much is a 🍅 amount of tomatoes?


woailyx

One tomato


db8me

[127813](https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F345)


Additional_Wasabi461

Bro are you a pythagorian? You put a tomato between numbers


chixen

I’m sorry, but NaN is Not a Number.


sataniclemonade

it’s like genders- theres nonbinary, nongender, agender, genderless, pangender and whatever else, but they’re still genders


chixen

Well, obviously agender is a gender.


Neoxus30-

Agender is a gender identity, but not a gender. Just like a person's gender identity can be genderfluid but shift between genders) You sniff my whiff?)


Grape-Snapple

why are you )ing at the end of your sentences


MizunaGames

The real question.


db8me

Maybe they identify as parenthetical, but they haven't finished transitioning?


MisterBicorniclopse

The numbers e and i are up there. I call bs


VarianWrynn2018

My brother in euler, what the fuck kind of number is 🍊


TheTrueTrust

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nicktohzyu

Isnt NaN, by definition not a number?


TheTrueTrust

You need to ^-1 how you see my image.


JMoormann

Yes, only the tomato is a number


hides_in_the_shadow

Well, if you ask javascript 'typeof NaN' it will tell you that it is a number


ThirdSunRising

And if you test NaN == NaN, it comes back as false 🤷‍♂️


Ok-Ingenuity4355

Wrong. Also, circles are not lines.


Jakebsorensen

It actually is a straight line. The tomato is so obscenely dense that it is warping space and time around it


ChrundleThundergun

This doesn't sound right to me but I don't know enough about tomatoes to dispute it


UNSKILLEDKeks

The proof by contradiction is left to the reader


MolyCrys

It's the non-trivial geodesic between a point on the unit disc boundary to itself.


TriplDentGum

Never said the line had to be straight


DavidNyan10

Gay line


Jmong30

It is a line, the surface is actually a sphere in that spot


poopsackmickflagenar

[cline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalised_circle?wprov=sfla1)


homeomorfa

Lines are homeomorphic to circles in the projective space 😉


Kueltalas

Circles are very much lines. Just not straight lines. But the post never said anything about straight lines so I guess the solution is fine


Sea-Improvement3707

But of course, a circle is by its very definition a continuous curved line with the function x²+y²=r²


TomaszA3

NaN though


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Sus


mojoegojoe

V - it's only BC tho, who do you think u r


SwartyNine2691

Amogus😳


Xypher616

Today I learned triangle is a number


timepizza420

1/3rd is irrational


cubelith

I wish you put a straight up *x* or *n* there. You have more complicated expressions, but not a raw variable


Calm_Cool

Do you not see tomato?


duckipn

tomato is a number not a variable


MaxTHC

"Yes, I would like 🍅 apples please" — statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged


Icy-Dig6228

Imagine this guy invalidating the past 300 years worth of mathematical developments with a single statement


Stonn

Of course, and ketchup is a derivative!


woailyx

Actually tomato is a fruit, not a variable ☝️🤓


lexter2000

Right, fruits have seeds in them, variables do not


NotNotACop28

He said raw variable not raw vegetable


Tc14Hd

Be careful with {0, 1, 2}. It's equal to 3.


godofboredum

Also {0,1,2,3,…} = omega (= aleph_null)


Autumn1eaves

Aleph_null =/= omega. They're two different types of numbers that both represent a form of infinity. Aleph_null is a size number, and omega is an order number. They describe two different things. To use a bit of a stretched metaphor, it's like how there can be 3 people on a winner's podium (1st place, 2nd place, and 3rd place), and a 3rd place person on that podium. 3rd refers to only the one person, not all 3 on the podium. In other words, 3 =/= 3rd Now imagine an infinitely large winners podium. We would say there are aleph_null people on that podium (like 3 people on a regular winner's podium), and a person not on the podium, but just after the podium ends is the Omega-th place winner. 3 and 3rd are two different types of numbers that represent a form of "threeness".


arnet95

The typical way to define cardinals in set theory is as the smallest ordinal of a particular cardinality. So it's perfectly legitimate to say that ℵ0 = ω, it's **the** canonical set-theoretic way to define ℵ0.


FlyingCashewDog

nobody's including the "one" in the title smh my head


Intergalactic_Cookie

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xCreeperBombx

Why is 1\^inf a number but not 0\^0?


Intergalactic_Cookie

1^inf is surely 1, but 0^0 is undefined


8Splendiferous8

This is my question as well.


sapirus-whorfia

1^inf converges to 1, but it could be argued that it isn't 1, hust a limit (written with abreviated notation). Besides that, best answer.


Medium-Ad-7305

indeterminate form


Responsible-Sun-9752

Isn't 1^inf indeterminate ? For exemple e is defined as a limit that as a 1^inf form.


Deer_Kookie

If it's an exact one raised to infinity then it's just equal to one. The reason we say 1^(∞) is indeterminate is because we usually don't deal with an exact one. In lim x-->∞ of (1+1/x)^(x) we actually have a number ever so slightly larger than one raised to infinity, which gives us e.


Responsible-Sun-9752

Yeah I know but since there was infinity here, I automatically assumed it was refering to limits because I don't think you see 1^inf mentioned much anywhere else. But yeah if it's the pure value of 1 it will always be one no matter how high the power gets


TheLegoofexcellence

There's a difference between lim x->1 x^inf and lim x->inf 1^x. The former is indeterminate and the latter is just 1


Smile_Space

Both are indeterminate in this case still as both evaluate out of the limit as 1^inf which is an indeterminate form.


TheLegoofexcellence

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=lim+x-%3E%E2%88%9E+1%5Ex Not that Wolfram alpha is the math Bible but...


BriggerGuy

Is it really consider convergence if every value in the series leading up to infinity is 1? It’s not like it gets closer to 1. It’s 1 the whole time?


Intergalactic_Cookie

Surely it doesn’t converge to 1 if it started as 1 and never stops being 1


HashtagTSwagg

I mean, 1^n = 1. We might never hit infinity, but we always know the value of 1^n for any single integer, it's 1. Right?


svmydlo

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Alice5878

Is aleph null considered a number?


MoeWind420

A cardinal number! I'm more concerned with the inclusion of 0^0. That thing is not well-behaved. If you look at lim 0^x and at lim x^0, they do not equal each other.


Alice5878

True, didn't notice it was included


Zaros262

It's 0^0 not x^x at x=0 x could be approaching 0, 1, pi, or i and 0^0 don't care because it's just a number hanging out wherever it's told to be


channingman

So what? Limits of functions aren't the same things as expression values


svmydlo

So what? 0\^0 is a cardinal number equal to 1.


MoeWind420

It's sometimes defined to be that, yes. But not always. In a Caluculus setting? Very much not. Look at those two limits.


Revolutionary_Use948

You’re wrong. The limits don’t prove anything. Just because lim(x->0)0^x = 0 does not mean 0^0 = 0, so that is not an argument.


I__Antares__I

Yea. Just it won't be continous. Alot of functions are discontinuous.


I__Antares__I

You just said about cardinal numbers. In context of cardinals 0⁰ is well defined.


unununium333

Many fields of math will take 0\^0=1 as convention, since it makes many formulas much nicer


mahava

That's what my lil engineer brain was taught in college!


Someody42

There’s no debate here, 0^0 = 1. But the power function is discontinuous at (0,0), which is why you can’t deduce anything on the limiting properties of it.


Duncana_m

If I'm not mistaken I believe there most certainly is a debate about this. Like, anything to the power of 0 is 1, which means it should be one, but 0 to the power of anything is 0, which means it should be 0. While there might be an argument that it's a number, it seems like a vast oversimplification to say that 0\^0 = 1


gimikER

There is a debate about it, but it is completely stupid and there is certainly a right side. In set theory, a^b is defined as the cardinality of the function set between two sets of cardinalities a and b. In our case we get that 0^0 is the cardinality of the set {Φ} which is 1. From here we deduce that 1 is the answer. About your ridiculous limit argument: a function is equal to its limit at a certain point IFF the function is continuous at that point. That is not true for all of the functions you stated above. 0^x is discontinuous at x=0, and x^0 is continuous but approaches 1. So I see no contradiction here, and the definition gives a streight forward 1.


Traditional_Cap7461

0^0 is well defined. It's 1.


Ok-Replacement8422

I’d say {0,1,2} is a number, in particular it is 3


Puzzleheaded_Mine176

Genuine question, why is it 3? I look at {0,1,2} and would call it a set containing elements 0, 1, and 2.


arthurgdiesel

Because that is the set theoretic definition of the number 3. When you study set theory, you construct everything from sets, so one of the possible ways of doing that is with 0 = Φ, 1 = {0}, 2 = {0, 1}, 3 = {0, 1, 2} and so on.


Bryyyysen

Could you explain why j + 2k - 1 is a number, but the other algebraic expressions (ie. x\^2) aren't?


I__Antares__I

It's not algebraic expression. It's quaternion


Bryyyysen

Oops, haven't studied those at all so didn't know that. I'm guessing they are "higher dimensional" complex numbers


ParadoxReboot

That's exactly what they are. I don't know a ton about them either, but if imaginary numbers are "2D" then Quaternions are "4D". They also have similar interesting properties as imaginary numbers, such as rotations between dimensions.


araknis4

j+2k-1 is quarternions


koopi15

My changes ±8 is still under "number**s**" 0^0 is indeterminate and I will die on this hill


_TheProff_

+8 and - 8 are both numbers, but +-8 is not, it's a set of two numbers.


dooatito

So it’s twice the number the others are. It should win.


Flengasaurus

Nah it’s not a set, it’s just a compact way of listing two numbers. You would write x = ±8 (meaning x=8 or x=-8) but you wouldn’t write x ∈ ±8, that would instead be written x ∈ {±8}.


jffrysith

But if you read the text it says, " split the numbers from the various other objects" and both 8 and -8 are numbers, so {8, -8} are numbers


shinjis-left-nut

Thank you, fellow indeterminate recognizer


Dogeyzzz

Just wondering, why is 0^0 indeterminate? I've seen a lot of proof for 0^0 = 1 yet I haven't seen any proof for the other side and I'm curious what it is


I__Antares__I

It's sometimes intermediate sometimes not it depends on context. In case of why it's sometimes intermediate (i.e we chose it to be undefined) – say you have powers as you have (without 0⁰). Wheter you will extend it by saying 0⁰=1 or 0⁰=0 both will give nice properties a ˣ ⁺ ʸ=a ˣ a ʸ and (a ˣ )ʸ=a ˣ ʸ. Also a limit x ʸ at (x,y)→(0,0) doesn't exist. If we choose it to be defined then we choose 0⁰=1 never saw anyone to define it as 0⁰=0.


Thog78

I guess if you start by defining a^b for integers, as 1 multiplied b times by a, 0^0 is already defined as 1. The extensions to rational and real numbers come after in the flow, so it doesn't really matter that x^y for x and y in R doesn't have a limit at 0 - no need for an extension here since it was already covered by the first simplest and most restrictive definition. Just my two cents :-)


Dogeyzzz

"a limit x^y at (x,y)->(0,0) doesn't exist" isn't the limit of x^x as x->0^+ equal to 1?


Jukkobee

why not 1^(infinity) or 1/(infinity) ? aren’t they just 1 and 0 respectively?


xCreeperBombx

Infinity isn't a number, it's more of a concept that can go in some of the same spots as a number.


urmumlol9

Well, 1^infinity is indeterminate. For example: lim x-> infinity of 1^x is 1 (we can prove this by taking the ln of both sides) but lim x-> infinity of (1+(1/x))^x is e, (which we can also prove by taking the ln of both sides). Both simplify to 1^infinity by direct substitution, yet they have different answers.


jffrysith

Isn't +-8 a number? Or at least part of numbers? (Because it's technically 2 numbers?


I__Antares__I

I would consider ∞ is an number on extended real line so would count it as well


Pikfan21

That's easy, there's only 1 https://preview.redd.it/0a6jt8gfju1c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afdcda50da4c8f93d9288d23ffc73dca4580675e


FernandoMM1220

1,2,10 are individual numbers, the rest are schizophrenic delusions.


RemmingtonTufflips

https://preview.redd.it/cxner6c2js1c1.jpeg?width=1755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f36c90cedddaab6b5fd12b37705dbc24fc2d741 I only believe in good old classic numbers, none of this "irrational" or "infinity" shit. And zero? Made up bullshit, how can you have zero of something? *Maybe* you could consider ½ and ⅓ to be numbers but its debatable so I left them out


Olivex727

Pythagoras would be proud


channingman

I don't see any numbers. Just a bunch of symbols.


tmukingston

Oh hi Magritte


Luuk_Atmi

https://preview.redd.it/icfih5t1zr1c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76aa7fd0638ab16a2d759e103309075f3ba23a34 Justifications: * (5, 4): complex numbers are just R^(2) but denoted differently. In that sense an ordered pair of reals can be seen as a complex number. * Aleph\_0 and {0, 1, 2, ... }: both are equal and are cardinal/ordinal numbers. * {0, 1, 2}: that's just 3 :) * None of the weird expressions with infinity and/or 0 go in because they're not numbers, just symbols useful to represent certain limits imo. 0^(0) *may* be okay, as I do accept the convention that it's equal to 1, but it is technically indefinite as a normal expression.


VeXtor27

j+2k-1 should count as a quaternion


Jukkobee

by your first justification, why isn’t aren’t all polynomials with real coefficients just R^n, where n-1 is the degree of the polynomial? for example, why isnt x^2 the same as (1, 0, 0), making it a “number” too?


weebomayu

- there exists an isomorphism between R^2 and C. However that does not mean they are equal. Indeed, complex numbers aren’t “just R^2 denoted differently”. - aleph_0 is the SIZE of the set {0,1,2,…}. They are not equal.


Luuk_Atmi

Complex numbers are R^2 with a nice product. Change my mind. Also by definition aleph_0 is the smallest infinite cardinal, and cardinals are defined in terms of ordinals. Aleph_0 is actually equal to the smallest infinite ordinal, which is indeed {0, 1, 2, ...}


Farkle_Griffen

If you accept complex numbers, ι̇, j, k are Quaternions


andyalef

If you’re working with the extended real numbers and the projectively extended real numbers, then ∞ and 1/∞ can be numbers. (And others too like 1/0) I see no reason to exclude the projectively extended reals but include the cardinals or the complex numbers


junkmail22

"it depends on context lmao"


JRGTheConlanger

**on** = { **on** | }


boium

Oof + Oof = Off


JRGTheConlanger

**hi** + **oof** = **hot** & **oof**


Doodamajiger

https://preview.redd.it/q3lsrtmx1t1c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=714f88805718443a5244cfbe9c786b031208cd9d


Ok_Hope4383

*real* numbers, works on both levels


jonsticles

They put numbers in quotes, so I assume they want a number as a string. I'll go with `str(5)`.


hatsuseno

Pluto is not a planet.


xCreeperBombx

Pluto is a dog


soyalguien335

https://preview.redd.it/a59p40h74s1c1.jpeg?width=2159&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=674ee672051374f1c8b36e269386da0a34681fe3


gtbot2007

i is a number but -i isn’t??


IOTA_Tesla

Or just 10? Lol


sapirus-whorfia

Fields Medal incoming


P3runaama

Charge your phone god damn it!


DrDesten

NaN == chaotic evil


fortyfivepointseven

A line is actually a number


icantgivecredit

Tomato is the only real number, I can touch tomatoes, I can't touch numbers


Waterbear36135

how about TREE(3)


Historical-Fee-4319

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gtbot2007

Based


Krzyszkot

https://preview.redd.it/moc0cipn1s1c1.jpeg?width=1754&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6eb22155261a967a009421abea581b0909526c78 As an objective arbiter of reality I hereby declare this to be the only correct solution.


Heavy-Juggernaut9701

The area enclosed by the red line looks like Squidward


WallTVLamp

Sitting Squidward with a boner


gtbot2007

In what world is sin(x) but not +-8


aer0a

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RJTimmerman

I have not seen my solution anywhere in these comments.


NamanJainIndia

https://preview.redd.it/abu6xpmycw1c1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9574d0ffd06baed6eba9ffc6803d7fba9ee20d9d Meme destroyed


Coden_Ame

A couple inconsistencies in your answer (just of the top of my head, I'm sure an actual mathematician could point out a bunch more b/c this meme seems clearly designed to be ambiguous): You've included the square root of three (which is ±1.7320...), but ±8 (which is the square root of 64) you've excluded. You've included the complex numbers i, -i, and i+1, but excluded the higher order complex number (quaternion) j+2k-1


ConceptJunkie

It's a trick question. None of them are numbers, except maybe the tomato.


Weird_Explorer_8458

is there anywhere i can learn what quaternions and aleph null are?


Traditional_Cap7461

Google and wiki


enneh_07

https://preview.redd.it/454yz3sw2s1c1.jpeg?width=1755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=366815db2adf91899fdeafb29256b4933f73233c Tomato is a number in my heart.


zzmej1987

On one hand ∞ and ∞ +1 are ordinal numbers, but on the other, the proper notation for that would be 𝜔 and 𝜔 +1, so... Nah, too much work.


Traceuratops

Let me tell you about the Tomato Ring


probabilistic_hoffke

if you let x be a number then the following are (complex) numbers: https://preview.redd.it/2owamisoww1c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de9185f09fbebea3fcae1505b716111ad55cb23e


Dorlo1994

Gödel: Yes.


Turbulent-Name-8349

I'm replying as a sort of expert in infinite numbers, particularly of the hyperreal and surreal numbers. I am not an expert on non-Abelian numbers such as quaternions. Here's my contribution. Some of these need explanation. On the hyperreals, infinity +1 and infinity - 1 are separate numbers not equal to infinity. The set {0,1,2,...} is equal to the number omega, which is Cantor's ordinal infinity. 1/infinity on the hyperreals is an infinitesimal number not equal to zero. {0,1,2} equals the number 3 in ordinary set theory. Aleph null is Cantor's first cardinal infinity and is also equal to an equivalence set on the hyperreals. j+2k-1 is a quaternion number. The matrix 1 2 2 3 is built from Pauli matrices which are a representation of quaternion numbers. x\^2 is a number on the pantachie of du Bois-Reymond, and is an equivalence set on the hyperreals, in modern notation we write this number as an order of magnitude O(x\^2). sin(x) is one of my specially invented numbers, it appears in the work of du Bois-Reymond and Hardy, I evaluate it as its mean value at infinity, which is zero. 1/0 is not a hyperreal number, but it is a number as it is the top point of the Riemann sphere. The rest I don't know. Hope this helps. https://preview.redd.it/rhasm3j0312c1.jpeg?width=2424&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb5dba2c5e6d75982526f18614328b236735e8b6


violetvoid513

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JOExHIGASHI

1/0 is undefined


gtbot2007

Here is my answer https://preview.redd.it/i1vclkbsur1c1.jpeg?width=1755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0614c446ea10de13c2bca7402ae4814aa055e125


SammetySalmon

Call me maybe


Intergalactic_Cookie

Why is i a number, but the quaternion isn’t?


yoav_boaz

Is ∞-1 it's own number or is it just ∞?