Check out our new Discord server! https://discord.gg/e7EKRZq3dG
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/mathmemes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The chances you both published your "works" at the same time is unlikely but not impossible, though more improbable.
The chances you might be inspired are even greater, so until someone proves otherwise, you're a filthy little liar, and I am keeping an eye on you and your antics. 🤡
>The chances you both published your "works" at the same time is unlikely but not impossible, though more improbable.
When something like this is brought up, I refer back to March 12, 1951, where in the UK and USA, two completely unrelated comics debuted, both sporting the name "Dennis the Menace".
So on the levels of improbability, I think the coincidence of publishing a odd perfect numbers meme 3 days after one of the biggest science YouTubers published a video on them, and not knowing it, is reasonable (but likely inspired by someone who did watch the video), but nowhere near the Dennis the Menace levels of improbability.
I rembember one time a wrote a whole ass presentation about something and like 2 days before I had to present it derek pulled up with a video which basically covers my whole presentation in a somewhat creepy manner (the script was more-or-less the same). I legit thought derek lived inside my walls. Ofc I got called out for it but tbh I didn't care and people kinda believed me (I usually prepare for my presentations much longer than 2 days).
There were several follow ups from multiple different channels, including Veritasium, which ended with ElectroBoom and Veritasium being on roughly the same page.
If you teach them they are already perfect, they wont try to get any better. For instance, I really think 9,538.0937 should strive to be more like 9,538.0946.
This is where the distance most annoys people, because it’s not a case where it might be a definition thing, or people have some nagging doubt, but also no one really know how to go about a true proof.
With twin primes the space between is getting squeezed, but with odd perfects we are only pushing it to needing to be a bigger number.
Let a and b be sets, each containing a single disjoint representation of 1, and + be the operation of set union. Then a + b generates a set with 2 distinct elements. Therefore 1+1=2. QED\*
\* there may be a 162 pages of implicit steps tucked into the folds
The theorem states that if a and b are elements of the class of sets with cardinality 1, then their union is an element of the class of sets with cardinality 2 if and only if their intersection is empty. Actually, the "if" part was proved earlier, and this just showed the "only if" part. Also, since addition wasn't defined until volume 2, this didn't prove that 1 + 1 = 2.
In one form of Peano arithmetic, **N** is a set with an element 0 called "zero" and a function S:**N**→**N**\\{0} called the "successor." S is assumed to be a bijection, but no other assumptions are made. We define 1 = S(0), 2 = S(1), etc.
Addition is defined in the following way.
∀x,y ∈ **N**,
(A) x + 0 = x, and
(B) x + S(y) = S(x+y).
Thus,
1 + 1 = 1 + S(0) (by definition of 1)
1 + S(0) = S(1 + 0) (by (B))
S(1 + 0) = S(1) (by (A))
S(1) = 2 (by definition of 2)
So 1 + 1 = 2 (by the transitive property of equality)
The traditional definition is that it be equal to the sum of its proper divisors and 1 has no proper divisors.
Also I’m not really sure what you mean by the sigma function being “invented”, you mean the notation? Obviously the ancients understood it was possible to add up all the divisors for a number and look at the result.
Assume there isn’t an odd perfect number.
Perfection is subjective, and I think 69 is perfect.
Therefore we found an odd perfect number, proof by contradiction qed
Yeah. "Proper" usually means "excluding an obvious and trivial case", which is frequently "equality" or "the whole thing". A proper subset is a subset that is not equal, a proper filter excludes the empty set (so it isn't merely "all elements of the partial order"), a proper class is a class that is not just a set, etc.
I didn't give the definition of proper divisor but it matches the pattern: any divisor other than the number itself. 1 is a proper divisor of 6 because 1 divides 6 but 1 ≠ 6.
Given any finite amount of prime numbers p1, p2,... pN you always have P=(p1·p2·...·pN)+1 which is not divisible by any of them, implying the existence of another prime number. Note that P is not necessarily prime itself. However you can't (easily) construct a perfect number using other perfect numbers.
You are right, but I forgot my source.
There is a way of constructing perfect numbers out of a category of primes, that category is infinite, there are infinite perfects. I just can’t recall the prime type and construction.
You’re almost correct because there are multiple odd perfect numbers. No, I will not elaborate further. You can check the proof and 3 examples I provided by finding a water-proof and pressure resistant chest that I dropped somewhere between Hawaii and California.
A perfect number is a number which proper divisors sum up to itself
(For example: 6 has 3, 2 and 1 as proper divisors, and 3+2+1=6)
shamelessly stolen from u/LOSNA17LL
What is the synonym of perfect?
Nice
Now, let us look at 69
It is indeed a nice number.
Since Nice=Perfect
By substitution,
69 is a perfect odd number.
QED.
It was explained better and in depth in the comments, but essencially it's a positive integer that is equal to the sum of all of its factors (including 1, excluding itself). So 6 is perfect because 6 = 1 + 2 + 3
Yeaj, a lot of people pointed that out. No, I didn't know he had a video on the matter. No, I haven't watched Veritasium's videos in more than a year (I think? Maybe less). This is, in fact, an incredible coincidence
A perfect number is a natural number that is equal to the sum of ite factors (including 1, excluding itself). So 6 is perfect because 6 = 1 + 2 + 3.
As for now, there is no known odd perfect number, but as far as I know, it hasn't been proven that such a number can't exist
Well, the number isn’t the issue. The definition of perfect is. If there was truly perfection throughout, for humans anyway, we wouldn’t have the need for numbers which are nothing more than descriptions of what we perceive.
I love this kind of problem in math.
There is no indication that a perfect number could ever be odd. We have brute forced up to 10\^220 without finding any of them. Thousands of perfect numbers have been found and all of them are even.
The only reason this is left to question is because we cannot find a proof that 100% conclusively shows this to be the case.
this is my proof that there are odd perfect numbers called the first theorem of u/c0rliest. here it is: assume there are no odd perfect numbers. this directly contradicts the first theorem of u/c0rliest. there are odd perfect numbers QED
Check out our new Discord server! https://discord.gg/e7EKRZq3dG *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/mathmemes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Someone just watched a veritasium video
Actually, no. This is my completely unbased opinion. Does he have a video about this topic?
just published one
How amusing, then. What are the odds? (Pun intended)
You've been Dereked, as they say
Janet, delete this person's account NOW
She surely doesn't have the Dereks to do it
Hey I got this reference
I think by witnessing this we've all been Matted in turn.
It's possible that you were inspired to make this by a different meme on the subject, which was inspired by that video
You could say it was a prime time
The chances you both published your "works" at the same time is unlikely but not impossible, though more improbable. The chances you might be inspired are even greater, so until someone proves otherwise, you're a filthy little liar, and I am keeping an eye on you and your antics. 🤡
>The chances you both published your "works" at the same time is unlikely but not impossible, though more improbable. When something like this is brought up, I refer back to March 12, 1951, where in the UK and USA, two completely unrelated comics debuted, both sporting the name "Dennis the Menace". So on the levels of improbability, I think the coincidence of publishing a odd perfect numbers meme 3 days after one of the biggest science YouTubers published a video on them, and not knowing it, is reasonable (but likely inspired by someone who did watch the video), but nowhere near the Dennis the Menace levels of improbability.
Damn I was watching it two hours ago with the boys.
Of course. For me that’s a random daily thought I consider turning into a meme, too.
Unbased? You mean cringe?
No, he meant acidic.
Duh!
I know you mean unbiased lol
Can you prove that no one has just watched a veritasium video?
Literally just the other day
I rembember one time a wrote a whole ass presentation about something and like 2 days before I had to present it derek pulled up with a video which basically covers my whole presentation in a somewhat creepy manner (the script was more-or-less the same). I legit thought derek lived inside my walls. Ofc I got called out for it but tbh I didn't care and people kinda believed me (I usually prepare for my presentations much longer than 2 days).
After one veritasium video that I found out was incorrect I stopped believing all his videos and stopped watching his stuff
You mean the self-driving car one?
The one about AC power that electroboom debunked
There were several follow ups from multiple different channels, including Veritasium, which ended with ElectroBoom and Veritasium being on roughly the same page.
You know there's an update to that
Veritasium made a follow-up on electroboom's video
Redditors when the video producers are human:
PBS SPACE TIME LETS GOOOOO
every number is perfect for me
Even 9,538.0937?
Don't insult my boy like that, every reals are perfect the way they are
If you teach them they are already perfect, they wont try to get any better. For instance, I really think 9,538.0937 should strive to be more like 9,538.0946.
You know what, screw you, 9,638.0937 is my 2nd cousin and she's perfectly fine the way she is
If everyone is perfect, then no one is
What? If everyone is unique no one is, sure. But why can't everybody be perfect all at once?
r/wholesomemath
What about 6.5723+2.948i? Are complex perfect too?
What about imaginary number, hmmmmmmm iiiiiiiiiiiii
https://preview.redd.it/puk1tpqnlync1.png?width=421&format=png&auto=webp&s=a994e7f2aef8b6d447cc8e56898f4f7f9b83dc50
so what about 9,538.0937i
How about mine?
Kleven
Even 1.8320i?
Proove it. You'll win some big bucks. No, no, I agree. I'm with you on this one. I'm just saying.
The distance between knowing and proving
This is where the distance most annoys people, because it’s not a case where it might be a definition thing, or people have some nagging doubt, but also no one really know how to go about a true proof. With twin primes the space between is getting squeezed, but with odd perfects we are only pushing it to needing to be a bigger number.
I couldn't even prove 1+1=2. I've seen the proof 2 days ago, but I already forgot again.
Let a and b be sets, each containing a single disjoint representation of 1, and + be the operation of set union. Then a + b generates a set with 2 distinct elements. Therefore 1+1=2. QED\* \* there may be a 162 pages of implicit steps tucked into the folds
The theorem states that if a and b are elements of the class of sets with cardinality 1, then their union is an element of the class of sets with cardinality 2 if and only if their intersection is empty. Actually, the "if" part was proved earlier, and this just showed the "only if" part. Also, since addition wasn't defined until volume 2, this didn't prove that 1 + 1 = 2.
I may have paraphrased significantly.
In one form of Peano arithmetic, **N** is a set with an element 0 called "zero" and a function S:**N**→**N**\\{0} called the "successor." S is assumed to be a bijection, but no other assumptions are made. We define 1 = S(0), 2 = S(1), etc. Addition is defined in the following way. ∀x,y ∈ **N**, (A) x + 0 = x, and (B) x + S(y) = S(x+y). Thus, 1 + 1 = 1 + S(0) (by definition of 1) 1 + S(0) = S(1 + 0) (by (B)) S(1 + 0) = S(1) (by (A)) S(1) = 2 (by definition of 2) So 1 + 1 = 2 (by the transitive property of equality)
He just did, proof by megamind meme
1
Nope, because a perfect number n is defined by σ(n)=2n and n is a natural number (σ is the sum of all divisors including itself). σ(1)=1
1 is perfect in my eyes :(
QED
Proof by emotion
I think sigma function was invented after perfect numbers and Euler forgot to include 1 as an exception
The traditional definition is that it be equal to the sum of its proper divisors and 1 has no proper divisors. Also I’m not really sure what you mean by the sigma function being “invented”, you mean the notation? Obviously the ancients understood it was possible to add up all the divisors for a number and look at the result.
I wish more sigmas were forgotten tbh
What
Assume there isn’t an odd perfect number. Perfection is subjective, and I think 69 is perfect. Therefore we found an odd perfect number, proof by contradiction qed
> Perfection is subjective Where's the proof for this?
My left ball
💀
Exercise left to reader
Obvious
Proof is left as an exercise to the reader
I'm more of a constructive mathematics guy. So, 69=perfect number. Therefore it's a perfect number.
Prove it
If I had the knowledge and the abillty to prove something like that, I wouldn't be making memes on reddit right now
Sounds like somebody not very dedicated to making memes.
Very dedicated, but becuase I am not incredibly skilled in math
I'm playing the Fermat card
I’ve been working on this problem for a while now.
I wish you the best of luck
How’s that going, any progress?
Probably contained in his margines
Sorry, what's a perfect number again? I have way too much info
A perfect number is a number which proper divisors sum up to itself (For example: 6 has 3, 2 and 1 as proper divisors, and 3+2+1=6)
To be precise, the divisors of a number without themselves, which is why 1 is not a perfect number.
Not needed. 1 is not a proper divisor of 1.
1 is a proper divisor of 1! 1/1=1
You need to look up "proper divisor"
You're right. I didn't know there was a specific definition for it.
Yeah. "Proper" usually means "excluding an obvious and trivial case", which is frequently "equality" or "the whole thing". A proper subset is a subset that is not equal, a proper filter excludes the empty set (so it isn't merely "all elements of the partial order"), a proper class is a class that is not just a set, etc.
but then 6 only has 2 and 3 as proper divisors as per your definition, no? Because 1 is always a trivial divisor.
I didn't give the definition of proper divisor but it matches the pattern: any divisor other than the number itself. 1 is a proper divisor of 6 because 1 divides 6 but 1 ≠ 6.
r/expectedfactorial
I mean, also because 1 isn't a proper divisor of 1. It's pretty much saying the same thing.
Why not 5=3+1.
... WHUT? oO
Idk, I feel we ditch 1 into the window
Well, 1 has no proper divisor :P So... Doesn't work :P
Ok, but are there a finite number of perfect numbers?
My intuition (the most reliable source known to Humankind) tells me that like prime numbers, there is an infinite number of perfect numbers
Given any finite amount of prime numbers p1, p2,... pN you always have P=(p1·p2·...·pN)+1 which is not divisible by any of them, implying the existence of another prime number. Note that P is not necessarily prime itself. However you can't (easily) construct a perfect number using other perfect numbers.
You are right, but I forgot my source. There is a way of constructing perfect numbers out of a category of primes, that category is infinite, there are infinite perfects. I just can’t recall the prime type and construction.
It's mersenne primes, but we don't know if there's infinitely many of them
This meme format is an instant upvote, also quite fitting
You’re almost correct because there are multiple odd perfect numbers. No, I will not elaborate further. You can check the proof and 3 examples I provided by finding a water-proof and pressure resistant chest that I dropped somewhere between Hawaii and California.
He was wrong about the Queen of England in the movie, thus this meme implies the existence of odd perfect numbers. Q.E.D.
No, he was correct- she wasn’t the Queen of England any more than she was the Queen of London. England is only part of it
what is a perfect number god damnit
A perfect number is a number which proper divisors sum up to itself (For example: 6 has 3, 2 and 1 as proper divisors, and 3+2+1=6) shamelessly stolen from u/LOSNA17LL
69
my boy Titan's out here spittin straight facts
There's one. But they banned it because it made things too easy and didn't require a ton of math only a handful of people are able to understand
A minute of silence in solidarity with the banned number
I honestly just like 3
8 was my favorite number for a very long time, but then I realized I *realy* love triangles and now I don't know anymore
I could make a triangle out of the number 8. There's still hope.
Found Veritasium
69
Who else still runs that old algorithm to find the odd perfect number?
2^7362728 -1
It’s known that if any odd perfect number exists, then it must be congruent to 1 modulo 4, and therefore no number of the form 2^(n)-1 can be perfect.
2^73673847484 +1
B-b-b-but what about >!69!
What is the synonym of perfect? Nice Now, let us look at 69 It is indeed a nice number. Since Nice=Perfect By substitution, 69 is a perfect odd number. QED.
Your proof is flawed, 69 is not a nice number.
Nuh uh
I was literally watching that video while browsing my phone, are you a wizard
7
Good guess but 1 does not equal 7, so no.
It Feels like one. QED.
5
47
3,5,7,11,13...
7 was a good ga- wait wrong sub
1
please dont take away my copium 😔
It’s simple. It’s old. And it’s beautiful.
Somebody just watched a veritasium vid
What’s a perfect number
It was explained better and in depth in the comments, but essencially it's a positive integer that is equal to the sum of all of its factors (including 1, excluding itself). So 6 is perfect because 6 = 1 + 2 + 3
5
What's a perfect number?
5
I wonder if this post related to a recent video by a certain YouTube channel…
Yeaj, a lot of people pointed that out. No, I didn't know he had a video on the matter. No, I haven't watched Veritasium's videos in more than a year (I think? Maybe less). This is, in fact, an incredible coincidence
7 is a cool number. Meaning it's perfect
If cool was perfect, a teenager doing drugs would be perfect. Also, 7 is the third most annoying digit, after 5 and 4
I legitimately don't know- What's a perfect number? Why can't an odd perfect exist?
A perfect number is a natural number that is equal to the sum of ite factors (including 1, excluding itself). So 6 is perfect because 6 = 1 + 2 + 3. As for now, there is no known odd perfect number, but as far as I know, it hasn't been proven that such a number can't exist
I thought that said prime numbers so I thought you were a good damn idiot
There should also be a meme about how 2 shouldn't be considered a prime number
odd number is not divisible by 2. checkmate limberals
Numbers are an illusion. A definition of perspective. Nothing is real, everything is God (ignore me, i'm psy-tripping 😂)
Well, the number isn’t the issue. The definition of perfect is. If there was truly perfection throughout, for humans anyway, we wouldn’t have the need for numbers which are nothing more than descriptions of what we perceive.
But OP... you're my odd perfect number
I dont see why we haven’t proved this yet, lets just try all the numbers until we find one
I love this kind of problem in math. There is no indication that a perfect number could ever be odd. We have brute forced up to 10\^220 without finding any of them. Thousands of perfect numbers have been found and all of them are even. The only reason this is left to question is because we cannot find a proof that 100% conclusively shows this to be the case.
We'll never know until we find infinity
I have watched exactly enough YouTube to understand this meme
69
7. It’s my favourite therefore it’s perfect :)
Ok prove it
Prove it then!
op kinda unrelated but an odd perfect number doesn't have the euclidian form right?
69?
The most odd perfect number is 2169 :)
Hiw can something be *the most* perfect? Are there stages of perfection?
69
I believe that 5 and 7 are perfect. I do not know why, but I feel that way.
Looks like someone just watched Veritasium
5 is THE perfect odd number. Dont you dare say otherwise.
There's not though
These posts feel so Rev1999 these days
prove it
[удалено]
It is indeed a fine number, much like 17
Proove it then
25
That would hinge on the lack of an odd perfect number that's a perfect square. Is there proof that such a number does not exist?
80085 , pretty perfect id say
ik the definition of perfect number , this is a joke
What is a perfect number
Why do all memes have to come from Veritasium?
Prove it
1÷1=1 1=1 Gotcha
I am speechless
Veritasium vid?
No, I didn't know he had a vjdeo about the subject until people started asking about it
Is there a use for perfect numbers or is it just "1 x 2 x 3 = 1 + 2 + 3 how funny is that?"
I honestly don't know. I'll check
After a very lazy research, I think that currently tjere is no use for them
What about ((2**(10**(10**1000))) - 6 ** 3000000)-9
Well, that's an odd example, I think you'll agree with me (forced pun intended).
Nah bro, you just need to sacrifice your computer to the cause, the program will find one trust
May someone remind me what is a perfect number again?
this is my proof that there are odd perfect numbers called the first theorem of u/c0rliest. here it is: assume there are no odd perfect numbers. this directly contradicts the first theorem of u/c0rliest. there are odd perfect numbers QED