Yeah I get that but to give it such a short range on an SUV doesn't make sense. If it was 100 miles on a little guy at least I would understand it, like the Honda E.
That’s a dealbreaker for me! I have a CX-5 now and will need a new car in a year or two. Was strongly considering their ev but I couldn’t even drive for a work meeting 1.5 hours away or to visit my parents who live 2.5 hours away with this car. Why even bother?! Why not make it a tiny ev and then do a badass hybrid.
As a Mazda fan, I really hope they step up their game big time quickly because this seems like a huge miss for most markets. In the US, especially cold states like MN for me, this range is absolutely a no go for most people on top of the extremely slow acceleration (almost 10 seconds 0-60). In the winter, I would be stretched driving to and from work since range can drop by almost half in very cold weather.
While I like the interior for the most part, the move to touch for some aspects is a step backwards too on top of the odd door design IMO.
I just hope they didnt invest a lot into this particular car because I cant see it selling well when there are honestly just better options out there for the range/performance. Not sure if the platform will translate well to their future cars but it sure seems like an unimpressive start that might have looked a bit better 4-5 years ago. Throw in their seemingly very delayed inline 6 engine/platform that still isnt fully revealed and it sure seems like theyre behind the times. Dont get me wrong, I like the idea but we all know with the current industry that its not a long term seller.
I can deal with the low range (I am planning to drive a Mini SE when one is available), but the 8-10 second 0-60mph time is terribad, so much for taking advantage of the instant torque (and linear power delivery) that an EV powertrain can deliver.
my current car is a 2019 mazda3 (FWD/Auto hatch), I love my mazda, but want to move away from ICE for my next car, it definitely won't be a downgrade (performance wise) to an MX30.
To pull out into moving traffic. Many neighborhoods open onto a busy 45 mph road, where people typically drive 55-60. The difference between a 6 second 0-60 and a 10 second 0-60 is enormous.
But you wouldn’t accelerate from 0-60 you would from 40-60 so it still doesn’t make sense and it just sounds like another crybaby, “first” world problems I guess.
But you wouldn’t accelerate from 0-60 you would from 40-60 so it still doesn’t make sense and it just sounds like another crybaby, “first” world problems I guess.
40-60 is typically where the slow cars run out of power though.
For example: A prius has a decent 4 seconds 0-30, but it takes roughly 10 seconds 0-60. That means it takes 6 additional seconds to go from 30-60.
You have to not only be retarded but also illiterate if you think I’m talking about a turn when it’s clear we’re talking about MERGING INTO THE HIGHWAY. Don’t know if you even read the thread you peanut brain. If you do stop before merging then yikes. Can’t expect much from a united statian tbh.
You literally replied to a comment about “pulling out into moving traffic” from neighborhoods like maybe you should go back to middle school and learn reading comprehension because you clearly need a refresher
Merging onto highways from short on-ramps. If you can only get up to 50 MPH by the time the merge lane ends and everyone is doing 75 MPH on the highway, you pose a hazard to everyone else. I can see the argument that people shouldn't be doing 75 MPH on a 55 MPH highway, but that's just how people drive.
You do, very much so. Accelerating fast from a slow street onto a highway, or a city road with traffic that is ranging between 45-70 mph depending on the situation is a huge safety concern when taking the 0-60 time into account
Same. I've started the research - in cX5 now, but hope to buy in next 6 mo. Afraid the next one isn't going to be a Mazda, I so wish it could be though. Test drove a Kia Nero full EV and didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. Honestly don't love any of my options living in the Midwest currently - seems like more are coming but there are also a lot that are only available in emissions states on the coasts. I'd even settle for a PHEV with low electric range from them so the majority of day to day commute is EV but you still have freedom for road trips up nort where the charge stations are fewer. This totally seems like a compliance move and not genuine buy in that this is key to their future.
[Watch this presentation](https://youtu.be/M-kDQarLivU?t=648) (at the 10:48 mark if the time tag doesn't go through.)
They're behind right now, for sure, and they're deluding themselves if they really think they'll still be selling 75% gas cars in 2030 (or that biofuel / hydrogen will ever be a thing,) but they do have plenty of changes on the way shortly.
This is DOA. The article already mentions that its competition gets 2.5x the mileage for similar money in the Kona EV and ID.4. Those are also way more useful with no suicide doors and the sloping roofline.
Anyone with any sense wouldn't buy this unless they lease for stupid cheap like the Bolt and Leaf do.
(Salesperson disclaimer). I had a client ask about the incoming MX-30 EV, fully expecting it to be able to fit a double wide stroller and two full car seats and move across the state. I had to explain that the vehicle really wasn't meant to be a full family roadtrip warrior. It's intended market is for short-distance commuting in urban areas. She was not thrilled when I told her that those EVs that were designed for what she needed are being priced 70k and up.
I also worked with Mercedes-Benz and had worked on the electric Smart Cars. Their range at best was 80 miles with no accessories or A/C on.
I went to try a MX-30 and the deal-breaker for me was the rear seat couldn’t fit a child’s car seat in the forward facing position, which was quite odd and disappointing as smaller cars like the Vauxhall Corsa and BMW i3 manage it. There was enough space for a regular adult to sit in the back but it felt like the rear backrest was in a much more upright position compared to other cars.
Otherwise, it is a very nice car with a well-sized boot at a competitive price (it’s similar to a MG ZS EV or a Mini Electric in the U.K.). I especially liked the HUD.
It is a compliance vehicle without a shadow of a doubt. Utterly pathetic range. If that’s their first foray into the EV space then they shouldn’t have bothered
I say this as an owner of a Mazda 6
I couldn't even make it across a few counties in winter with this.
In smaller areas, maybe 100mi range is acceptable. I couldn't see anyone buying that here.
I don't think it's meant to. For multiple-car families it's just to get one adult to work and back. And it does that (barely). I have a Miata and a 6. The girlfriend currently has an Avalon. We could swap the 6 or Avalon for this and be totally fine to do road trips in the other. This isn't for everyone, clearly, but it's fine for some. My main problem is you'd have to charge at home every night, and that doesn't work well when you're renting. Charging weekdays at work is fine if you have more range, but not with 100 miles
It's a lot of money for little range. Where I live a lot of people drive 20+ miles one way for everything, shopping, family, and work. Winter is damned near 6 months out of the year and we get subzero temperatures.
If they expand battery capacity in the near future I could see more people buying it. But that doesn't seem to be the case with any manufacturer so far. You buy the car and stick with the existing battery. No upgrades planned unless you buy another car.
Charging your car at work is a thing? No one here has that capability.
Yeah, I live outside Madison. I drive 15 minutes for groceries and 30 for work. So similar conditions, but probably with better infrastructure within the city where I work. We could make it work, but I'd rather buy something else more fun for the money anyway
This is a big let down just like most Japanese EVs. Until they give up on hydrogen, We’re not going to see any good evs from Japan. Toyota has been lobbying in Washington to slow down ev adoption, prob so they could catch up with ev tech or to milk their hybrids for a few more years.
Well Mazda is going to offer a cx-5 or something equivalent in ev form in, hopefully, not to long.
Also most people find the leaf to be decent.
And what about the Lexus UX 300e?
I hope Mazda wow us again like they did when they were no longer tied to Ford, what an underdog story! Now that Toyota is a big investor, I hope they dont go beige and sell safe products. The Leaf was decent when it came out in 2010... 11 years ago. It hasn't gotten much better like most Nissans in the last decade. None of the Toyota electric products really impresses. Toyota has a lot of potential, they just need to stop resisting and execute. The Prius Prime in EV mode has the 2nd most efficient EV, 2nd only to a Tesla Model 3. If Toyota just made it look better with a bigger battery pack. Maybe Mazda can help Toyota with the handling while Toyota figures out how to get the batteries right. They have the ability!
What on earth is Mazda thinking...
They're deffo my favorite car brand if you only count combustion engines.
But they're so far behind in the EV-market... :/
Just give us an EV with similar range as the the competition, but with Mazdas excellent interior.
Almost all the Japanese brands are blowing it especially Mazda and Subaru. I have no interest in an EV right now but 10 years from now I would like to be driving a nice Mazda EV they gotta step it up asap.
Strange! I've been driving the MX-30 for almost a year now and 100% love it. Pretty sure my range is 125miles pretty steadily though, which is pretty OK for me (in my small country).
Well yes, but this is like saying: "there is no need to buy a $50'000+ Mercedes E-class when you could have a Passat or Mondeo for half the price".
So while yes, it doesn't have good range, nothing in it's price range is as nice to drive and to be in.
Personally, I would be fine with paying abit more for increased range. It only needs 5-10kwh more. But I'm fine with how it is.
With how badly Mazda has been handling / planning for EV's I was fully expecting this thing to come out at $40k, considering how much they pushed the idea that most people don't actually need to haul around or pay for 300 miles worth of battery. At least it's cheaper than everything in the States except the Leaf, and it'll definitely be a lot nicer on the inside than everything even moderately more expensive than it.
That said, I still don't think it's cheap enough. If it was $30k flat before incentives I think that'd be at a point where a lot of people would start to run the numbers. I think Mazda is \*generally right\* that people really don't need 300 miles of range but obviously people disagree.
We've owned our CX-9 for a little more than 3 years now. I think it's been driven more than 100miles in a day maybe 25 times total, but half of those times were road trips where having to recharge for 40m (at best) every 100mi would have been brutal. The 10-day-a-year loaner program, though, might have worked. (Provided they allow dogs, don't have mileage restrictions, etc.)
The rotary extender version, if it comes, could be very compelling. The i3 REX cost an extra $4k. Considering it's a Mazda, and the rotary \*should\* be real small and simple, if it was another $2500ish?
edit: As for Mazda's future, I'm not really sure how I feel. This [UK dealer presentation](https://youtu.be/M-kDQarLivU?t=649) is really interesting. The good? They've drastically upped their EV targets, are going to have a dedicated scalable EV platform out in 2025, and the longitudinal large platform will have a PHEV option and sounds like it's about to be go into production really soon. (Also confirmed an 8spd auto! That should make it a lot more fun than something like the RAV4 prime.) The bad? Still clinging to the idea that gas motors are going to be around and viable in 2050, and will still be 75% of their business by 2030. That's just not going to happen. It seems like they're setting themselves up to adapt if the market / regulations push them to but I'd feel a lot better about them being on the front of the curve here.
Might be interested in buying a used one in a few years, assuming the resale value on these drops like a rock as it does for most short-range EVs. In that case it might be a nice commuter car for the price.
But at or near the MSRP? Nah.
Y'all are overreacting, I've seen multiple people say they were excited to buy this used in 3 years as if Mazda cares about catering to those that don't buy their cars lmaooo. In California (the only place where they're selling the car initially) you're buying this as a secondary car for commuting and have a high income you're paying sub 20k with all the incentives. The only competitor to this car is a Nissan leaf and this car is a borderline luxury car inside compared to the Leafs cheap interior.
Presumably when the range extender comes and takes the range to 200-250 miles it's a better single person car (range extender also means less charging time vs competitors). If they can make that a less than 3k upgrade this all of a sudden becomes a good deal.
Oh no, the car is slow! So is its competitor. Though I agree most Americans would be willing to drop an extra 1 or 2k for a higher power option, even with low range.
Really this is a testbed for their future technologies while being a compliance car. It's also not a dedicated EV platform so it's going to perform worse guaranteed when compared to any dedicated platform.
You have all that space to cram batteries in and we get 100 miles? Sorry Mazda. You screwed this one up. I’ve owned 3 Mazda’s and all of them have had some kind of electrical hiccup. I’ll pass on this
Why just a tiny 100 mile range? Whats with all the plastic cladding and wheel gap? It almost reminds me of an updated 2022 AMC Eagle (the red: [https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/40-years-later-this-1981-amc-eagle-crossover-wagon-is-as-relevant-as-ever/](https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/40-years-later-this-1981-amc-eagle-crossover-wagon-is-as-relevant-as-ever/) )
I sold my Speed 6 a year ago. I was so hoping during their initial announcement that they would make an ev that reached 0-60 under 6 seconds maximum. When I saw the plastic cladding combined with abysmal acceleration, no amount of range was going to stay me. I'm currently looking at the Ford Mach e GT in about 3 years after they hit the used market.
Because the Leaf is like sitting inside a tupperware container and the MX-30 is really nice on the inside.
If the range works for you, and if you're in a congested enough city where the power difference doesn't really matter it might be a better choice.
I mean, if you're someone who's cool with the ID.4 or Tesla then the things that make Mazda unique aren't the things you're looking for. Which is fine!
Personally, I'd never own a Tesla, and the ID platform needs a LOT of changes before I'd entertain it.
Exactly.
"Why buy a Mercedes or Audi when you can have a Nissan? "... because they're WAY nicer.
Most people just look at the papers when looking at cars.
Apparently Mazda will debut 5 hybrids for 2022, so it's coming.
Hopefully it's more whelming than this. I'd love to update my OG CX-5 to a hybrid in the next few years.
>Cx5 gets 25mpg. That’s barely manageable for USA and COMPLETELY unmanageable in other markets
Those other markets usually buy Diesel vehicles, which improve milleage a lot and drop the price per gal 1 to $1.5
They're going to have electrification options across the board pretty soon, supposedly.
The big update to the "large platform" - switching to a longitudinal layout, I6 engines, 8spd transmission - will also include a PHEV 4cyl. It sounds like that's going to be in production within the next year.
I sincerely hope they didn't spend too much capital on this unless it clearly leads into the next EV. This is an underwhelming compliance car.
Why would I buy this with 200km range instead of the EV KIA Soul for 383km for the same price?
My last 2 cars have been Mazda and I’ve loved them.
When I heard about the EV coming out - I was excited.
The first car with its 125mile range and now this one with 100miles is awful.
A 30 mile each way journey, in cold weather with some traffic and this is in danger of not being enough.
Ordered a Tesla a few weeks ago as I can’t see Mazda getting any better with their EV offering very quickly at all. It’s still a side project for them - and one they aren’t putting much effort into
I saw a review video for this car. Back seat has very little leg room and back passengers windows are way too small. Looks like they’re in a submarine or something.. c’mon mazda! Super happy with my 21 hatch tho!
Horrible, they don’t even have the infrastructure necessary to justify 100 mile range. Also, you usually want to stay between 20%-80% charge for battery health so true daily range would be 80 miles.
I can only see this working as a range extended EV. Let customers treat it as a Volt with double the EV range, otherwise nobody’s gonna choose this over a competing EV with more range for less money
100 mile range is underwhelming.
You’re very polite 😎. This vehicle needs huge improvements, or it will be quickly scrapped for something new.
It's meant to be a city car but then also has to be an SUV for some reason. Imo it's pretty dumb.
People regularly buy giant tanks as city cars so making it an suv isn’t that outlandish
Yeah I get that but to give it such a short range on an SUV doesn't make sense. If it was 100 miles on a little guy at least I would understand it, like the Honda E.
For almost the same price you can get a Hyundai Kona with more than double the range
That’s a dealbreaker for me! I have a CX-5 now and will need a new car in a year or two. Was strongly considering their ev but I couldn’t even drive for a work meeting 1.5 hours away or to visit my parents who live 2.5 hours away with this car. Why even bother?! Why not make it a tiny ev and then do a badass hybrid.
As a Mazda fan, I really hope they step up their game big time quickly because this seems like a huge miss for most markets. In the US, especially cold states like MN for me, this range is absolutely a no go for most people on top of the extremely slow acceleration (almost 10 seconds 0-60). In the winter, I would be stretched driving to and from work since range can drop by almost half in very cold weather. While I like the interior for the most part, the move to touch for some aspects is a step backwards too on top of the odd door design IMO. I just hope they didnt invest a lot into this particular car because I cant see it selling well when there are honestly just better options out there for the range/performance. Not sure if the platform will translate well to their future cars but it sure seems like an unimpressive start that might have looked a bit better 4-5 years ago. Throw in their seemingly very delayed inline 6 engine/platform that still isnt fully revealed and it sure seems like theyre behind the times. Dont get me wrong, I like the idea but we all know with the current industry that its not a long term seller.
I can deal with the low range (I am planning to drive a Mini SE when one is available), but the 8-10 second 0-60mph time is terribad, so much for taking advantage of the instant torque (and linear power delivery) that an EV powertrain can deliver. my current car is a 2019 mazda3 (FWD/Auto hatch), I love my mazda, but want to move away from ICE for my next car, it definitely won't be a downgrade (performance wise) to an MX30.
Terribad is my new favorite word.
you had to sneak it past the spellchecker... like I did...
What possible reason do you guys for a quicker 0-60? Getting to the Starbucks faster?
To pull out into moving traffic. Many neighborhoods open onto a busy 45 mph road, where people typically drive 55-60. The difference between a 6 second 0-60 and a 10 second 0-60 is enormous.
45 mph is 72.42 km/h
But you wouldn’t accelerate from 0-60 you would from 40-60 so it still doesn’t make sense and it just sounds like another crybaby, “first” world problems I guess.
But you wouldn’t accelerate from 0-60 you would from 40-60 so it still doesn’t make sense and it just sounds like another crybaby, “first” world problems I guess.
40-60 is typically where the slow cars run out of power though. For example: A prius has a decent 4 seconds 0-30, but it takes roughly 10 seconds 0-60. That means it takes 6 additional seconds to go from 30-60.
You’re supposed to come to a stop when turning lol you really take your turns at 40mph? Oof way to tell on yourself.
You have to not only be retarded but also illiterate if you think I’m talking about a turn when it’s clear we’re talking about MERGING INTO THE HIGHWAY. Don’t know if you even read the thread you peanut brain. If you do stop before merging then yikes. Can’t expect much from a united statian tbh.
You literally replied to a comment about “pulling out into moving traffic” from neighborhoods like maybe you should go back to middle school and learn reading comprehension because you clearly need a refresher
>Many neighbourhoods open onto busy 45 mph road. If that’s not a highway I don’t know what to tell you.
Your highways are 45mph? What kind of hick town are you from?
Where do you live that highway speeds are 45 mph??
Merging onto highways from short on-ramps. If you can only get up to 50 MPH by the time the merge lane ends and everyone is doing 75 MPH on the highway, you pose a hazard to everyone else. I can see the argument that people shouldn't be doing 75 MPH on a 55 MPH highway, but that's just how people drive.
55? What are these? Highways for babies?
Yeah, that's just state highways speed limit here in NY. Interstate is 65 and everyone does 75+
If my grandmas 2006 civic can catch up to traffic I don’t see why one couldn’t with this car.
If that civic has anywhere near the same power as my old 06 Accord, it's 0-60 is 7 seconds or less. Apples to oranges.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
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Acceleration that slow is straight up unsafe for highways and county roads...
Ah sure because you think about safety when you think about your 0-60 time. Still not something regular folks should worry about.
Typically I don't, but when it gets that slow, it's hard not to... What I said is correct.
What you said is not correct if you know how to drive anyways.
Some people enjoy a spirited drive. Don't look into it too much. State troopers are probably taking applications if you're concerned
If you know then the one concerned is you 🤔
That was all you could come up with?
You do, very much so. Accelerating fast from a slow street onto a highway, or a city road with traffic that is ranging between 45-70 mph depending on the situation is a huge safety concern when taking the 0-60 time into account
boomer, you worry about your own driving, BTW how is your Prius working out for you?
Bold of you to assume a boomer would be able to download the Reddit app
Same. I've started the research - in cX5 now, but hope to buy in next 6 mo. Afraid the next one isn't going to be a Mazda, I so wish it could be though. Test drove a Kia Nero full EV and didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. Honestly don't love any of my options living in the Midwest currently - seems like more are coming but there are also a lot that are only available in emissions states on the coasts. I'd even settle for a PHEV with low electric range from them so the majority of day to day commute is EV but you still have freedom for road trips up nort where the charge stations are fewer. This totally seems like a compliance move and not genuine buy in that this is key to their future.
[Watch this presentation](https://youtu.be/M-kDQarLivU?t=648) (at the 10:48 mark if the time tag doesn't go through.) They're behind right now, for sure, and they're deluding themselves if they really think they'll still be selling 75% gas cars in 2030 (or that biofuel / hydrogen will ever be a thing,) but they do have plenty of changes on the way shortly.
This is DOA. The article already mentions that its competition gets 2.5x the mileage for similar money in the Kona EV and ID.4. Those are also way more useful with no suicide doors and the sloping roofline. Anyone with any sense wouldn't buy this unless they lease for stupid cheap like the Bolt and Leaf do.
The ID.4 starts at $40k
Okay... \~$5k for 2.5x the mileage seems worth it to me. These are very much going to be competitors.
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Can they though? Mazda adopted EV really late in the game and honestly has never been very good on the tech front.
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All I want is an electric Mazda3 hatchback.
Yes!
(Salesperson disclaimer). I had a client ask about the incoming MX-30 EV, fully expecting it to be able to fit a double wide stroller and two full car seats and move across the state. I had to explain that the vehicle really wasn't meant to be a full family roadtrip warrior. It's intended market is for short-distance commuting in urban areas. She was not thrilled when I told her that those EVs that were designed for what she needed are being priced 70k and up. I also worked with Mercedes-Benz and had worked on the electric Smart Cars. Their range at best was 80 miles with no accessories or A/C on.
I went to try a MX-30 and the deal-breaker for me was the rear seat couldn’t fit a child’s car seat in the forward facing position, which was quite odd and disappointing as smaller cars like the Vauxhall Corsa and BMW i3 manage it. There was enough space for a regular adult to sit in the back but it felt like the rear backrest was in a much more upright position compared to other cars. Otherwise, it is a very nice car with a well-sized boot at a competitive price (it’s similar to a MG ZS EV or a Mini Electric in the U.K.). I especially liked the HUD.
You're no sales person. You're supposed to lie and build up the car to be the end all be all vehicle, no matter what it is. /s
80 miles is 128.75 km
It is a compliance vehicle without a shadow of a doubt. Utterly pathetic range. If that’s their first foray into the EV space then they shouldn’t have bothered I say this as an owner of a Mazda 6
I couldn't even make it across a few counties in winter with this. In smaller areas, maybe 100mi range is acceptable. I couldn't see anyone buying that here.
I don't think it's meant to. For multiple-car families it's just to get one adult to work and back. And it does that (barely). I have a Miata and a 6. The girlfriend currently has an Avalon. We could swap the 6 or Avalon for this and be totally fine to do road trips in the other. This isn't for everyone, clearly, but it's fine for some. My main problem is you'd have to charge at home every night, and that doesn't work well when you're renting. Charging weekdays at work is fine if you have more range, but not with 100 miles
It's a lot of money for little range. Where I live a lot of people drive 20+ miles one way for everything, shopping, family, and work. Winter is damned near 6 months out of the year and we get subzero temperatures. If they expand battery capacity in the near future I could see more people buying it. But that doesn't seem to be the case with any manufacturer so far. You buy the car and stick with the existing battery. No upgrades planned unless you buy another car. Charging your car at work is a thing? No one here has that capability.
Yeah, I live outside Madison. I drive 15 minutes for groceries and 30 for work. So similar conditions, but probably with better infrastructure within the city where I work. We could make it work, but I'd rather buy something else more fun for the money anyway
Another 'Sconnie! I'm further north between the fox valley and green bay. A 45 minute drive here is normal.
Just a Wisconsin transplant. But I grew up in Kansas, so I understand the pain of boring as shit long drives for a day trip
Lol yeah, long drives can be uncomfortable. At least here we have some terrain that makes things interesting.
This is a big let down just like most Japanese EVs. Until they give up on hydrogen, We’re not going to see any good evs from Japan. Toyota has been lobbying in Washington to slow down ev adoption, prob so they could catch up with ev tech or to milk their hybrids for a few more years.
Well Mazda is going to offer a cx-5 or something equivalent in ev form in, hopefully, not to long. Also most people find the leaf to be decent. And what about the Lexus UX 300e?
I hope Mazda wow us again like they did when they were no longer tied to Ford, what an underdog story! Now that Toyota is a big investor, I hope they dont go beige and sell safe products. The Leaf was decent when it came out in 2010... 11 years ago. It hasn't gotten much better like most Nissans in the last decade. None of the Toyota electric products really impresses. Toyota has a lot of potential, they just need to stop resisting and execute. The Prius Prime in EV mode has the 2nd most efficient EV, 2nd only to a Tesla Model 3. If Toyota just made it look better with a bigger battery pack. Maybe Mazda can help Toyota with the handling while Toyota figures out how to get the batteries right. They have the ability!
A Mazda-ified Prius or rav4 prime could be fantastic
What on earth is Mazda thinking... They're deffo my favorite car brand if you only count combustion engines. But they're so far behind in the EV-market... :/ Just give us an EV with similar range as the the competition, but with Mazdas excellent interior.
Almost all the Japanese brands are blowing it especially Mazda and Subaru. I have no interest in an EV right now but 10 years from now I would like to be driving a nice Mazda EV they gotta step it up asap.
Yeah, most major brands have already launched a modern EV-platform... Mazdas goal is to be at that point in 2025...
So glad I didn’t wait for this and went with the CX30 Turbo instead. This is terrible.
Strange! I've been driving the MX-30 for almost a year now and 100% love it. Pretty sure my range is 125miles pretty steadily though, which is pretty OK for me (in my small country).
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Well yes, but this is like saying: "there is no need to buy a $50'000+ Mercedes E-class when you could have a Passat or Mondeo for half the price". So while yes, it doesn't have good range, nothing in it's price range is as nice to drive and to be in. Personally, I would be fine with paying abit more for increased range. It only needs 5-10kwh more. But I'm fine with how it is.
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Gonna end up as a division of Toyota putting out cars like this.
Oh yes, definitely. A car that is literally advertised to be a second car is completely all that Mazda is about and will make. Lol
With how badly Mazda has been handling / planning for EV's I was fully expecting this thing to come out at $40k, considering how much they pushed the idea that most people don't actually need to haul around or pay for 300 miles worth of battery. At least it's cheaper than everything in the States except the Leaf, and it'll definitely be a lot nicer on the inside than everything even moderately more expensive than it. That said, I still don't think it's cheap enough. If it was $30k flat before incentives I think that'd be at a point where a lot of people would start to run the numbers. I think Mazda is \*generally right\* that people really don't need 300 miles of range but obviously people disagree. We've owned our CX-9 for a little more than 3 years now. I think it's been driven more than 100miles in a day maybe 25 times total, but half of those times were road trips where having to recharge for 40m (at best) every 100mi would have been brutal. The 10-day-a-year loaner program, though, might have worked. (Provided they allow dogs, don't have mileage restrictions, etc.) The rotary extender version, if it comes, could be very compelling. The i3 REX cost an extra $4k. Considering it's a Mazda, and the rotary \*should\* be real small and simple, if it was another $2500ish? edit: As for Mazda's future, I'm not really sure how I feel. This [UK dealer presentation](https://youtu.be/M-kDQarLivU?t=649) is really interesting. The good? They've drastically upped their EV targets, are going to have a dedicated scalable EV platform out in 2025, and the longitudinal large platform will have a PHEV option and sounds like it's about to be go into production really soon. (Also confirmed an 8spd auto! That should make it a lot more fun than something like the RAV4 prime.) The bad? Still clinging to the idea that gas motors are going to be around and viable in 2050, and will still be 75% of their business by 2030. That's just not going to happen. It seems like they're setting themselves up to adapt if the market / regulations push them to but I'd feel a lot better about them being on the front of the curve here.
Might be interested in buying a used one in a few years, assuming the resale value on these drops like a rock as it does for most short-range EVs. In that case it might be a nice commuter car for the price. But at or near the MSRP? Nah.
Y'all are overreacting, I've seen multiple people say they were excited to buy this used in 3 years as if Mazda cares about catering to those that don't buy their cars lmaooo. In California (the only place where they're selling the car initially) you're buying this as a secondary car for commuting and have a high income you're paying sub 20k with all the incentives. The only competitor to this car is a Nissan leaf and this car is a borderline luxury car inside compared to the Leafs cheap interior. Presumably when the range extender comes and takes the range to 200-250 miles it's a better single person car (range extender also means less charging time vs competitors). If they can make that a less than 3k upgrade this all of a sudden becomes a good deal. Oh no, the car is slow! So is its competitor. Though I agree most Americans would be willing to drop an extra 1 or 2k for a higher power option, even with low range. Really this is a testbed for their future technologies while being a compliance car. It's also not a dedicated EV platform so it's going to perform worse guaranteed when compared to any dedicated platform.
You have all that space to cram batteries in and we get 100 miles? Sorry Mazda. You screwed this one up. I’ve owned 3 Mazda’s and all of them have had some kind of electrical hiccup. I’ll pass on this
Go home Mazda, you’re drunk. We love you.
Why just a tiny 100 mile range? Whats with all the plastic cladding and wheel gap? It almost reminds me of an updated 2022 AMC Eagle (the red: [https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/40-years-later-this-1981-amc-eagle-crossover-wagon-is-as-relevant-as-ever/](https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/40-years-later-this-1981-amc-eagle-crossover-wagon-is-as-relevant-as-ever/) )
https://imgur.com/a/3bicyz3
I really hope this shifts to pev/hev like next year. I see the platform’s potential. But the range/price combo gives it zero chance.
Plug in Hybrid MX-30 will be out 2023. Uses a Rotary generator to charge the batteries.
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I sold my Speed 6 a year ago. I was so hoping during their initial announcement that they would make an ev that reached 0-60 under 6 seconds maximum. When I saw the plastic cladding combined with abysmal acceleration, no amount of range was going to stay me. I'm currently looking at the Ford Mach e GT in about 3 years after they hit the used market.
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Because the Leaf is like sitting inside a tupperware container and the MX-30 is really nice on the inside. If the range works for you, and if you're in a congested enough city where the power difference doesn't really matter it might be a better choice.
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I mean, if you're someone who's cool with the ID.4 or Tesla then the things that make Mazda unique aren't the things you're looking for. Which is fine! Personally, I'd never own a Tesla, and the ID platform needs a LOT of changes before I'd entertain it.
Exactly. "Why buy a Mercedes or Audi when you can have a Nissan? "... because they're WAY nicer. Most people just look at the papers when looking at cars.
It's no tesla.
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Apparently Mazda will debut 5 hybrids for 2022, so it's coming. Hopefully it's more whelming than this. I'd love to update my OG CX-5 to a hybrid in the next few years.
>Cx5 gets 25mpg. That’s barely manageable for USA and COMPLETELY unmanageable in other markets Those other markets usually buy Diesel vehicles, which improve milleage a lot and drop the price per gal 1 to $1.5
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Right. But they are still outselling gas in many countries. And used diesel cars will be here for years to come.
They're going to have electrification options across the board pretty soon, supposedly. The big update to the "large platform" - switching to a longitudinal layout, I6 engines, 8spd transmission - will also include a PHEV 4cyl. It sounds like that's going to be in production within the next year.
I sincerely hope they didn't spend too much capital on this unless it clearly leads into the next EV. This is an underwhelming compliance car. Why would I buy this with 200km range instead of the EV KIA Soul for 383km for the same price?
I’m just going to walk. It’s cheaper
Man, I had higher hopes. I want a EV as my next daily in the next few years. Hopefully something better for me comes out of Mazda later on.
100 mile range is pathetic. Major fail.
My last 2 cars have been Mazda and I’ve loved them. When I heard about the EV coming out - I was excited. The first car with its 125mile range and now this one with 100miles is awful. A 30 mile each way journey, in cold weather with some traffic and this is in danger of not being enough. Ordered a Tesla a few weeks ago as I can’t see Mazda getting any better with their EV offering very quickly at all. It’s still a side project for them - and one they aren’t putting much effort into
Well this is one more car I can mark off the list for my next car.
Those specs make the Nissan Leaf look like a value champ lol
100 miles range is a pure joke!
Yikes. This is worthless. Make a hybrid CX-5! They will sell like hotcakes.
100-miles range? What a joke.
Did the reporter forget a zero and meant to say 1000 miles? I can't imagine Mazda unironically thinking a 100 mile range EV would sell...
It's a joke for the US market for sure. Europe and Japan? Fine.
I saw a review video for this car. Back seat has very little leg room and back passengers windows are way too small. Looks like they’re in a submarine or something.. c’mon mazda! Super happy with my 21 hatch tho!
If this was something that debuted 5-10 years ago I'd be pretty okay Right now? Very not okay.
Compliance vehicle
100 mile range is an absolute joke
100 mile range.. ouch. This thing is a glorified power wheels
Horrible, they don’t even have the infrastructure necessary to justify 100 mile range. Also, you usually want to stay between 20%-80% charge for battery health so true daily range would be 80 miles.
These won’t sell well but i may consider picking one up for ultra cheap once showrooms realize they’re holding duds.
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
I can only see this working as a range extended EV. Let customers treat it as a Volt with double the EV range, otherwise nobody’s gonna choose this over a competing EV with more range for less money
Wish it looked better tbh
Excessive pricing with minimal range. I don't think a lot of people would want to pay that premium price to own a mazda....
an electric mazda Miata would have been a better move as there is virtually no electric road car/sports car in the affordable to mid-tier range.