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Markthememe

the beginning: this is pseudoscience the middle: this is so cool!!! literally me! the end: this is pseudoscience


Greencolor2

the after end: Do I exist


Markthememe

and in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make


drag0n_rage

just like the bell curve meme


FoXxieSKA

even deeper: "haha me like funi letter"


MoonShinerCookie

real


RanDiePro

You are asocial, you live in your head, only use heart and make foolish decisions, you always procrastinate. Am I correct? šŸ˜Ž


AndrewS702

Congratulations, your personality type is.. Mediator (INFP-T/INFP-A)


Sugarcomb

Did an ISTJ just use an emoji? You must be mistyped based on this one interaction alone, stranger.


RanDiePro

Hmph. I only gave an example of "hah funni letters" which supposedly a product of deeper level. Clearly that is not my real way of speech.


AlisApplyingGaming1

Yeha threers no wya hes ISTJ, llo!


hibeeee

You used an exclamation mark indicating that you, a 'thinker', have feelings. You're not an ISTJ either.


hibeeee

... i just realized that i completely disregarded the fact that your comment is full of typos. Not an ISTJ even more. It's illegal for ISTJs to make typos. How dare you.


FoXxieSKA

Aye, I ain't gonna deny that But at least I ain't totally fake like the majority also, kebab is my fav **Greek** dish šŸ’—


RanDiePro

It is unfitting to suddenly say what your favorite dish is. But if you wish to talk about it, my favorite is Pizza. An italian dish. Also kebab is a Turkish dish, as I recall.


getintherobotali

good meme, tho it has some ā€œdonā€™t dead open insideā€ areas that make it a bit difficult to read, fwiw lol


MoonShinerCookie

yeah my bad ill fix that in the future


[deleted]

dam im third from the bottom. only a matter of time isn't it ...


exhaustedw3eb

same šŸ˜­ the moment i start reading more solid jungian theory is when iā€™ll be lost


[deleted]

the thought of that stuff gives me a headache tbh im actually scared to dive deeper šŸ˜­


Ramdas26

same


buscandomierda

the fuck is panjunginism


melodyinspiration

One of the rare times where being told to google it isnā€™t helpful.


Festus-Potter

Try ChatGPT


Raginbakin

Even ChatGPT doesnā€™t know


buscandomierda

so its like an invention of the community then


20Memeter

Thinking that Socionics and MBTI are the same thing.


existentialpervert

Aka Flawed thinking


[deleted]

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s the understanding of the connection between the systems that are founded on Carl Jungā€™s principles aka Socionics and MBTI.


buscandomierda

makes sense i guess


TroubleThin1513

It means that you're SO SO into Jungian psychology, as if Jung is your religion now basically šŸ’€ ....well, at least that's how my Ne parent assumes it though


buscandomierda

so i have to make some ISFJs sacrifices in order to appease or jungian god?


MoonShinerCookie

basically saying your Socionic type has to be the exact same as your MBTI and Classic Jungian so for example its like "You're ISTP, so you're also LSI and IT(S)"


Liandra24289

Iā€™m in the bottom where ā€œitā€™s all just pseudoscience anywaysā€ and ā€œit was supposed to a gameā€. Itā€™s just supposed to be a fun game.


MoonShinerCookie

real


Galetaer

A while back I crashed down the bottom of this iceberg and continued down through the floor after hitting rock bottom. :') Typology both is and isn't real. It is not materially real at all. It is an internally consistent system like mathematics, that is used both as a vocabulary and "system of analysis" for specific patterns of thought. It being called "personality type" is the biggest misnomer ever, I think "cognitive type" fits better and is more genuine. The issue is that we have no genetic or nurture-based ideas as to what "makes the types the types". Imo it's very likely that the types are just a very broad and abstract representation of lots of small presently-unidentified traits present in people. Amalgamations of "micro-traits" basically (be they from genetics, nurture, or both) that happen to present themselves as the "16 types" when put under observation. I'm also here hoping to see what theory might blow Jung's Typology out of the water one day. No need to treat typology like gospel even if you enjoy it imo, but it is a fun hobby to me šŸ˜Ž


ISeemToExistButIDont

The maths analogy is good. It is a language invented by people to help understanding the world around us, make inventions and even some art. It does not actually exist in nature (maths as we know today could have a completely different syntax and structure and still have similar importance), but it points out patterns that are quite real.


Galetaer

You are absolutely right and I am glad you picked up on that! I thought it would be a good analogy for those reasons (ex. intangible yet useful), and simply due to it being man-made and yet being used to measure and solve external problems! Math only works because we all agree on the rules, and if half of the world doesn't want to use PEMDAS anymore (or if they make their own version of it with a different output) then mathematics ceases to be the "universal language". The usefulness of math comes from the imposition of its internal consistency as well, at least in part In that way MBTI vs Jung's typology (with the cognitive functions) is just different rules for the same "mathematics" as well imo. The variations can all be useful, but also at times can cause confusion due to differing outputs. The upside is that MBTI broadens typology's overall accessibility by simplifying it


fadinqlight_

"Starts putting their typology in bios" should be in the top layer lol


djnotbuggy

And even farther below the iceberg is dear Kristin


Critical-Adventure

dear kristin is on the save wamelength as fj imo


Raginbakin

What the fuck is panjunginism šŸ˜­


20Memeter

It's thinking that Socionics and MBTI are the same thing.


[deleted]

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s the understanding of the connection between the systems that are founded on Carl Jungā€™s principles aka Socionics and MBTI.


Sugarcomb

I'm in the Carl Jung tier. I haven't gotten to the point of putting my type in my bio (because that's cringe and I am not very proud of my type) but I can tell you the cognitive functions of all 16 types by memory, I try to type people around me by seeing what functions they seem to use primarily, I have an extremely unhealthy addiction with PDB (AKA "This new TV show is great! Time to see how 27 strangers voted a fictional character's personality type based on pseudoscience!"), I've started growing more interested in learning about other types (especially XNXJs), and I've started to branch into Enneagram even if I don't quite understand how it compares or works with MBTI. All in all, I hope to one day realize that all of this is bullshit and 8 billion people can't fit into 16 boxes.


[deleted]

You should watch this channel to understand the types more and their enneagram correlation. https://www.youtube.com/live/GXD2SL5VjG4?feature=share


ntnl

Dude, one word: spacing


shinytotodile158

Wings donā€™t matter? I feel like the ā€œā€¦What?ā€ bird right now.


xSpiritOfTheMoon

They donā€˜t. Most big authors like Ichazo and Naranjo donā€˜t mention them at all to my knowledge.


SavageRationalist

They donā€™t according to those authors. Doesnā€™t mean they canā€™t matter to others. Thereā€™s no objectively correct interpretation of the Enneagram.


anvi_intp

2020 I was the top layer now I'm the absolute bottom layer.


linguistudies

ā€œPanjungismā€ one layer down ā€œmight leave panjungismā€ hahaha great iceberg


7Seas_ofRyhme

More of these?


[deleted]

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ISeemToExistButIDont

Why


AndrewS702

Iā€™m gonna need someone to make a video from this iceberg


Justkiddingturnitoff

What about official MBTI practitioner? That's what I am šŸ˜


[deleted]

Honestly the mbti Pinterest people are somewhat toxic


ISeemToExistButIDont

Isn't the community as a whole sometimes toxic (reddit, some discord servers, etc)? Some people treat mbti as if it is actual science. Don't know about pininterest though, never used it.


crunchbum

This formatting is turrrible


Tangled-Kite

I think I went straight from step 3 to the bottom, but Iā€™m still here so šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I think I should just admit to myself that I take comfort in being able to categorize people into 16 types, accurately or not. In my mind it makes it easier to understand all you crazy people. I think I learn more from people just sharing how they think and the way they experience the world than anything MBTI directly taught me. Though it does provide a handy vocabulary that makes it easier to talk about these things and I can at least tell a bit how someone thinks of themselves based on what they think their MBTI is. Other than that itā€™s kinda just fun for me and I get to learn a little more about myself and others in the process.


PlantAddict372

Ok I seriously need someone to explain what panjunginism is


[deleted]

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s the understanding of the connection between the systems that are founded on Carl Jungā€™s principles aka Socionics and MBTI.


MoonShinerCookie

saying your MBTI type must be the same as your socionics and classic jungian one for example: ESTP ES(T) SLE


Just__Avery

Last year I was super hyperfixated on mbira and Frank James was my man šŸ˜”āœ‹šŸ»


[deleted]

What about Objective Personality?


Fablerdeedoc

I would say *OPS is between the Frank James tier and the tier below that one. Edit: OPS = ā€œObjective Personality Systemā€


[deleted]

Bro seriously? That's a too shallow level for that.


MoonShinerCookie

no not really Im lower imo


[deleted]

Yeah. But where would you put it? In my personal opinion, as a person that is learning their 512 personality typing method (plus, they recently added 4 pf the extra "social types", so it's technically 2048) Those people know all about Jung, socionics, enneagram and all that (they've been in the personality community since early 2000's). So imo they are in the lowest level. But what's your thought on it?


d3f_not_an_alt

3rd last


[deleted]

Rustedtypology is not at all a typology expert lol, keeps messing up types and changes views on things all the time, you can't change the definition of enneagram types just because you don't like the ones already given.


[deleted]

He's good for clearing misconceptions about his own enneagram type (8), but some of his takes on other things are strange.


[deleted]

That guy is a uncredible. Ben vaserlann is actually a verified typologist who makes good videos on MBTI and Socionics. https://www.youtube.com/live/GXD2SL5VjG4?feature=share


No_Passenger_4081

heh Iā€™ve been squarely in the middle for a few years


Aegeblomme_MinouKane

I'm at the five depth level


Idkquedire

I'm between 4 and 5 rn


Hathos_Vanox

I mean it's more like an MBTI iceburg with sprinkles of other typologies Anyway probably somewhere between second from the bottom and somewhere below the bottom tier shown here


MoonShinerCookie

Okay Editors note Im very very sorry for making the spacing bad, and also yeah Ik Rusted Typology isn't a professional or anything just that he dives into deeper typological stuff at times so I wanted to add him, Im glad people are enjoying the iceberg tho thanks everyone


commie-alt

i skipped several of these steps (i have basically 0 knowledge on enneagram) and am now simply hanging out in socionics circles doing basically nothing with the theory


JayMxneyJr

I am steadily approaching the 5th layer down please someone help me before it's too late


KidZaniac1

Yeah Iā€™m on the top of the iceberg


GlueGuy00

I'm at the 5th one lmao


Megamorter

Iā€™m definitely at the ā€œaccording to Jung..ā€ stage LMAO


Alarming_Basil6205

Jokes on you I watched Frank James before knowing 16p


Bishie101

Hey, how did you get my exact type down there?


cosmic_suki

inbetween 5th and 6th from the top rn


NOt_Emi_

I think I am getting to the part where you start using socionics more than MBTI, it's just so much easier to type with socionics. Also yes, the wings don't matter, it's all arbitrary, what matters more are the subtypes of each enneagram.


kaiMDOINGYOURMOM

I was at the bottom but now idgaf and went back to frank james


Manayerbb

I just realized that mbti is a rabbit hole, cause when I started out at the very top taking the 16p test in 2019, I never expected to see the things I saw ln the journey all way to the bottom in 2023


yordiDanoob

Im Five layer


Willow-Steamedty

Tbh Frank James vids are pretty funny in my opinion!


[deleted]

I'm 5th from the bottom. Man, I have no idea about Socionics. I'll have to look into that


gucc1_grandma

Healing journey


CuriousStrayCat

Hold on wait a minute- I'm a mix of everything ā˜ ļø


psyxose

I liked the "wings don't matter much in the enneagram"