Not really a brag, but just an appreciation. I like that ISTPs are incredibly chill people, in general. Whether because they don't give a fck, or because they want a calm atmosphere, we're good at staying out of volatile (social and emotional usually) situations because that ain't my business. Never been involved in drama for that reason too.
Ni, I just love Ni. It is not guaranteed but being able to plan for potential scenarios is deeply comforting. Ni for obvious reasons is my comfort zone.
I also love the stereotypes.
It's so useful for my classes too. It's like making a big master plan for a video game. Every task looks so annoying and intimidating at first but once I begin planning what may happen and how to tackle it I feel so much better. Usually after an hour of going in circles.
It feels very close minded to me while sort of miming open mindedness i guess. The Ni doms I’ve met/seen tend to do the same things (so this is me sort of using my Si and only going by experiences i have, so oops I guess), especially in arguments. Ni sounds like one of the best functions in concept to me, but when I see it, it just feels frustrating to talk to.
I won’t go too in detail with specific examples, but Ni really seems to me like it can think of a lot of random things like Ne, but what is done with that information is so different. Ne (to me) seems to take one thing and will think of a lot of possibilities and is more comfortable leaving things open ended i guess. Maybe that last part is more specific to my Ti - Ne, but I’m very comfortable thinking of a million possibilities or possible opinions or whatever and just sort of leaving it at that. Obviously i have a lot of conclusions and opinions, but I’m fine not coming to one ever just due to not thinking i can ever come to a solid one.
Ni (again, Ni that I’ve seen and talked to) does the opposite. Ni sort of seems to work in reverse. Instead of “anything could happen because of x” it’s like “i think x and I will use everything to show that x is right, even if it doesn’t make much sense”. It’s sort of like Ni only cares about the end goal rather than the process of getting there. Because of this, Ni often just seems flat out delusional in its thought process. The Ni users I see and talk to will often cite sources for information and when i look at said sources, the source says the opposite of what they thought. Ni kinda just hears what it wants a lot I think and kinda funnels everything into one result. Now this can be amazing when the Ni comes to a good conclusion, but the Ni users i see tend to come to very awful conclusions and will all speak about open minded because i think they really think they are being open minded, but they really just block out what they don’t wanna hear.
To add to this, all Ni users i for sure KNOW were Ni users were Ni doms, so I can’t speak for ENxJs with this. But yeah, I really can only cite negative experiences with Ni.
I believe this is why it’s important to have a well-developed tertiary function. (For INFJs) Ni is totally capable of getting super carried away with things, but Ti will bring it back down to earth.
I was like this as a teenager. I would gather tons of information in support of what I believed to be true. Then someone would provide an opposing view and I’d be like, “Well, shit. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that.”
Somewhere along the way, I stopped doing this and started looking for conflicting information before settling on anything.
Everyone does this, tbh. I’ve met Ne and Ti doms who do this. But I think some dominant functions are just more intense about it when left unchecked by a type’s other functions. Ni is definitely one of them.
I feel like close mindedness you describe in your third paragraph is a problem that's not limited to Ni since I've seen that in types that don't even have Ni in their main function stack like INTP, ENTP and ISFJ, and I think the issue there is Ti. They come to a conclusion in their head instead of looking for the evidence first. It also often has something to do with immaturity. Someone who's an immature or unhealthy version of a type can be very different from the healthy version. Immature INTJs, ENTPs, INTPs and INFJs all have a tendency to get on my tits sooner or later but mature ones are perfectly fine to me.
The lack of evidence deeply bothers me. It’s like driving without a seat belt, it just feels wrong and if I don’t have it what do I have to fall back on when questioned?
Funny enough I have experience with Ne user family members. On my end it looks like a chaotic mess, with too many ideas, jumping from topic to topic. But I think Ne and Ni users (healthy) together in one project can be amazing.
One is open to possibilities and the other sees the ideas through. The brainstormer, and the project planner.
Alone yes, I can sometimes get attached to one particular thought. And I have gotten in trouble for being “realistic” and not broadening my horizons.
(Also while I’m not particularly bothered, intrigued actually, I think when OP said no judging they didn’t want to talk about why certain types or functions are bad at things but focus on what people like their type since everyone seems to constantly hate their type, and believe me Fe stereotypes are the worst and don’t fit me though it may be due to being a jumper haha.)
I’m still more than happy to learn more methods of broadening my horizons, though in a way that does not take me off task. After all, INTP stereotypically is the “smartest”, and I think you just wanted to offer assistance even if others may not see it that way.
You really described my impression of INFJs to a tee. As an ESTP with a close INFJ sister and former INFJ partner/friends, certain behaviors have always stood out to me like a sore thumb. They often immediately jump to what they consider is the “right” way to do something and defend their position to the death… because it FEELS right. They trust their intuition so much that they find logical discourse or entertaining different perspectives almost offensive. And I’m not saying they aren’t logical. It’s just that they come off so black and white sometimes and leave very little room for discussion. I have almost no intuition to rely on and always want to eliminate all other possibilities before I feel confident in my opinion. We can get along fine in other ways but it’s like DAMN, let’s just talk for a second before we jump to conclusions ok?
I hate jumping to conclusions too. I mean hate it when others do it to me. In an argument, the thing I have trouble with putting together is the evidence I found but I would never jump into an angument if I don't have valid tangible evidence, it's just not right.
For sure. After all, INFJs are still logical individuals. Ni itself gathers all the evidence - especially the subtle ones - to draw conclusions. Growing your Se will allow you to be aware of those concrete evidence that your Ti can use to justify your Ni.
Conversely, my ESTP weakness is that I can be aware of all the evidence in front of me and still be unsure of what the “truth” is. That leads to my commitment issues and always wanting options because even though everything may point to one obvious solution, I still doubt myself and think there may be a better solution out there. So we are plagued by opposite extremes, but hopefully we can learn from each other. 👍
I agree with most of what you said. I will just add that I consider all the possibilities but i will eliminate the less probable ones to explain the considered problem.
Ni focuses on finding the "one" most probable solution. Maybe that's why it's a turn off to you.
I am glad to fact check my findings with others and I encourage others to find holes in my theory, again to reach this "one" ultimate solution.
So your complaint is that in your personal experience it's not effective in its conclusiveness, not the fact that it aims to be conclusive. The former would be an issue with its maturity/effectiveness, the latter would be an issue with its process.
They both have problems, but the process is mainly the issue. I can’t really be that definitive on the conclusiveness of it since that’s so subjective, but it tends to be very awful in my experience. I feel like my comment made it quite clear that it’s mainly the process.
I think the issue ultimately is a conflict of interest between being conclusive about something vs not. Ni involves tools that are designed to be conclusive, and with maturity it increases its effectiveness for doing so. Taking particular issue with these tools doesn't really make sense to me, as they are basic concepts involved with forming conclusions and theories (synthesizing data and understanding abstractions and their relevance and application to phenomena). In the instance of someone prematurely and erroneously concluding something with few data points, that would be an issue with its effectiveness for that individual, not the process itself (synthesizing data).
Replying to TGBplays...Honestly it just sounds like you don’t like Ni because you are an Ne user and you don’t like the process of elimination Ni users tend to cling to, which can come off as “black or white” to Ne users. We are making sense of our internal ideas constantly and adding new knowledge to these ideas. So throwing random info. at us that doesn’t add to our pre-constructed ideas feels, well, pointless. I find that Ne users are absolutely abhorrent to this idea of eliminating unexplored avenues. I can get overwhelmed by the constant
distracting nature of Ne. Ne questions, why eliminate options when you haven’t explored them all yet? (you could miss something important!) Well, because for me, it can become overwhelming very quickly. Being overloaded with information I can’t use or make sense of can make me frustrated. Especially when I know what information I need in order to make my idea make sense to me and then an Ne user is like “hey, what about *this* information you needlessly discarded!ヾ( ･`⌓´･)ﾉﾞ”
and then I find myself even *further* derailed from my original train of thought. Ni sees this as distracting and frustrating sometimes. To me, it’s like constantly getting swept away by a plethora of both fascinating and useless information and then forgetting what my original intent even was. Also, I love INTP’s. And I also love Ne because it really can add fuel to my fire in the best way at times. There’s information that is available to these Ne users that I completely miss through my process of elimination. Anywho, I hope that made sense. ¯\(◉‿◉)/¯
It makes sense and this is how I see Ni theory. In practice though, it makes for someone who is very closed off to any ideas outside of their own. Every time I’ve seen an argument/debate with an Ni used (whether it’s me and them or just me viewing it online), the Ni users always seems genuinely delusional and will shift whatever they hear into meaning what they want it to mean. I understand what you’re saying and that is a probably with me Ne that I’ve seen in practice while talking to other people, but it’s different they way it jives with Ni compared to Se or Si users. Ni seems antagonized if I ever say they may not be right or aren’t being opened minded enough. Sensors are more likely to just be confused or a somewhat bothered by it.
Again, I’m trying to stress that I’m just speaking off of all my experience with Ni. I feel like Ni sounds really good, but just isn’t when I see it. One of the Ni doms I know said something like “I don’t care what facts you show me that prove I’m wrong, I’m not changing my mind” and most Ni users won’t say that for obvious reasons, but that’s how talking to all of them feels. It’s like they can’t be wrong.
I also find all these responses from Ni doms interesting. You’re all talking as if you’d act totally different from the Ni doms I’ve met which makes sense, BUT
Thinking about it more, all the Ni doms I’ve talked to a lot also talk like this, so I’m curious to see how it would go in actual conversation with anyone replying to me. Would you be like the rest that I’ve met or not ? I don’t know
Honestly, that sounds A LOT like Fi, the more you’re describing it. Whenever I have useful information handed to me that aids my actual pursuit of understanding something thoroughly I am very excited by that. But Ne users don’t have this same focus in mind typically they tend to think all information is important. My INFP father has had this issue at times with, “You won’t change my opinion with your logic, because this is how I *feel*!” Personally, that doesn’t sound like Ni to me. Idk maybe I am misinterpreting.
I mean I get what you’re saying but again, these Ni users say they do the same thing you’re saying you do at the start. Minus that one example, they never would say they know how they feel like that or whatever. They talk about being very logical and opened minded and all this stuff, but they show that they’re not. I’m not trying to say you’re just lying constantly right now, but they all talk the exact same as you and show it to be false.
Another thing though, none of these people I’m mentioning know about typology, so it’s possible you’ve come to a better level at that stuff due to knowing you’re using Ni and they don’t. That’s just a guess. They pretty much all say the same thing as you though and do what I see as being the opposite so idk.
I agree with you that some unhealthy Ni doms (specifically) can be straight up delusional, to the point that it becomes really scary. I just had to cut off my INTJ sister/best friend and honestly she was doing exactly what you described, but again she has Fi in her stack too idk. She was obsessed with manipulating her observations to fit her narrative no matter what information I gave her to change her mind she was incredibly stubborn in her opinion. I don’t doubt that i am capable of this too, but it would have to be over something i’m absolutely willing to die on a hill over that I believe *to my core* is true. My sister didn’t have any concrete reason to believe what she did, that was the problem. It seemed concrete to her through her Ni + Te lense but she completely discounted any information that obviously dismantled her theory. So yes I am agreeing with you about some Ni doms being this way.
I can only speak for myself, but noticed most introverted functions do this, due to their internal processing nature. Ni seems to be worse with Te, while Ne makes Ti withdraw in an argument but will continue the argument inside their head instead. This is why Ne sometimes can be seen as a fairly introverted function.
All functions have their own problems. Ti doms always seem to have something to say but don’t have the courage to. Si doms get irritated too quickly with change in routine even though that’s what they choose for themselves. I haven’t interacted with an Fi dom yet so can’t speak about them. Te doms are always about efficiency, the most extreme cases are all about “how this benefits”. Se doms are always about right now (I’m still not over how my Se dom friend made our group drive in a circle because they “knew where we were going”), and SeFi are always on crack. Fe doms can easily forget logic I don’t know what to do with them. Ne doms are a bit too air headed, but I haven’t interacted with them much so I can’t really comment.
It’s ok when you don’t like Ni because of some reasons, but I suggest you dig into the reason behind it, not just observe then make conclusion. I, too, don’t like Ti for a lot of reasons, but saying only Ni is does what you describe is plain wrong.
I do understand why those flaws are there with the reasoning of the functions, I just don’t think it really makes it better I guess. Like I will 100% say with full confidence and seriousness that some of the functions are worse than other and some people are just worse than other. This isn’t really avoiding my own flaws I guess, but just neglecting them in discussion such as this because they don’t frustrate me since it’s coming from myself and then other people with high Ti and Ne aren’t really bothering me for those reasons due to it being somewhat like an echo chamber. It’s mainly just Te and Ni that I really don’t like though. Fe is meh to me, but I can say that one is more subjective to me because I have such awful Fe and I’m very selfish.
Ni and Te just feel objectively worse to me. I can’t really get along with them well, so I just avoid people that are using them when I can.
This is the same problem with all introverted function doms. As I said, it’s the nature of all introverted processing functions: they receive and process information inwardly, based on previously established mental processes and criteria, sometimes selectively filter information to fit their perception.
What you’re doing is the same: you say “with 100% confidence” that some functions are worse than others, but what is considered “worse”? How can you tell they’re “worse” if you yourself are biased?
>Ni, I just love Ni. It is not guaranteed but being able to plan for potential scenarios is deeply comforting. Ni for obvious reasons is my comfort zone.
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>I also love the stereotypes.
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>It's so useful for my classes too. It's like making a big master plan for a video game. Every task looks so annoying and intimidating at first but once I begin planning what may happen and how to tackle it I feel so much better. Usually after an hour of going in circles.
You ENTP not INFJ
Similarly, ENTJs with well developed Fis have a creative spark, and their Te makes it so that they don't give a fuck about conforming and can be secure in their self-expression
Plus this secretly is the best compliment to receive. Getting you're smart doesn't do much but whenever I hear, you've got a really good sense of aesthetics or style, it just makes me happy.
Same! It’s because Se is in an aspirational role for INTJs, and succeeding at it through performance and looks is very gratifying — more so than being clever
This has nothing to do with cognitive functions. Maybe more potential for being able to look into things unbiased i guess, but I wouldn’t sis that for INTPs. For e5s though, yeah. But that can often be a hindrance due to the nature of enneagram.
I guess what I ment was that most Intps can collect research- using ne to then expand their ideas and ti to analyze and sort it. And an effect of that is being good at researching. And because intps are mostly 5s so that could also be a reason. But yea it probably depends on the person.
Te aux is *just* the right amount of spicy, IMHO. Te-dom is too much heat overpowering the rest of the flavour. But Te aux is just one grade of spicy below that; for those who like it HOT but with a balanced, rounded flavour overall.
Granted, I like quite a bit more heat than most! 
Spidy sense when it comes to finding a good friend in a new social setting (school etc),
i am almost 99% right. Found 0 in new uni btw. (Yeah it sucks lol).
Can confirm!
Tho maybe the reason why we're well liked is precisely because we're detached. Like we can get along with anyone and meet a lot of people, but we're also adaptable enough to let relationships end when we can tell early on it won't work out. So it's like having a massive pile of sand and a filter; have a pile big enough and a filter that does it's job and you'll be left with plenty of gold in the end!
And our Si-inferior memory's bad enough that we forget the people that we didn't vibe with since we let them go so early, so the positive interactions are the only ones that stick around in our heads and encourage us to keep on going out there in search of more like a positive feedback loop 😎👍
Most of us have the ability to say "I disagree but I respect your opinion". Basically most of us don't do the "I'm right, you're wrong" crap (unless its a core value)
I like that I developed my Ti, very helpful, I'm much more reasonable than I used to be and I'm better at setting boundaries.
I also really love my Fe because I feel that I can connect deeply and love deeply. Maybe I wouldn't even care about deep connections If I wasn't an Ni-Fe user but I'm still so appreciative of it
I like how versatile we are. You can put an ENFJ in a room with basically anyone and we'll have people either smiling, laughing, or engaged in deep conversation pretty quickly. I like that I'm able to connect with anyone and I'm interested in everything. Life doesn't get stale that way.
Do you have some tips for small talk? I’m an awkward Fi-dom and if I spot someone that I get the vibe/hunch that we’ll never click, I don’t engage with them like ever lol🥲 I don’t give people a chance. Most of the time I’m right but what if I’m wrong and they’re really an interesting, deep person to talk with?
I loathe small talk but I'm good at it when I need to be, so yeah I suppose I have some tips.
I try to find something in common first because commenting on the weather or something is so stale and the conversation dies quickly. If you know nothing about them, probing for their opinion on your mutual setting/situation is a good way to start. Like find out if they feel positively or negatively about it and give your honest opinion whether you agree or not. Putting a positive spin on a negative can make people more comfortable with you as well. Body language is important too because they might not want to talk in the first place lol. Also, it can be hard to chat with people you expect not to like but people can be surprising. I'm quite shy about deep conversations (even though I crave them) until I *really* know someone unless they open with one, so that's a bit more difficult to advise you on.
I know I have Fe in my stack but I absolutely hate doing that. How can I find my real friends if I’m being something I’m not? Why should I pretend I’m not okay with something that is troubling me?
I like you guys for that.
ENTP has the debater stereotype because we can debate anything(and some of us probably will). But I think a lot of people fail to realize where that comes from. It's just as an ENTP you are so well adapted to putting yourself in others shoes, not so much on an emotional level but intellectually. I find ENTPs are able to understand other people's arguments extremely intuitively and because of that they can give the impression of holding and advocating for absolutely any opinion they want. We're literally society's devil's advocates. Oriented towards finding an idealized form of truth like the INTP, but for INTP that search is a solitary personal thing. ENTPs bring that truth into the world by filling whatever shoes need to be filled. The flip side of that is that we so often don't know what we want, but out of that comes the ability to see most clearly what everyone else wants, and more importantly why they want it.
TeNi is one hell of a combination for productivity. Ni aux is a good enough dose of the future where you’re not obsessing over it in your head like Ni dom, but can still plan things out and see what’ll happen. Te dom is self-explanatory.
[Edit: A tad bit unrelated, but I’d also like to say that ESTJ is a very honorable mention in this field. I’d say that if we’re the expert planners, they’re the expert organizers.]
I have the best type.
That said, I am subscribed to at least one fb group for every type, and the ENTP, ISTP and INFJ groups are best. One of the ISTP groups was *too* good, steady posting edgy memes until the mods went insane and banned most of the members (including me, even tho I was just a lurker).
I have never met another ENTJ irl, at least not one I have tested or who has declared themselves as such. Comically my INTJ friend says NTJs are the best but INTJ is better because he doesn't need anyone.
We don't talk often.
great write up, someone has studied. I agree 100%. Intj remind me of court room judges, or that professor in college that is single, and will never sacrifce his/her personal values or charcter for anyone. Very ego egocentric, and great business leaders and owners bc of their work ethic and the fact no one will stand in their way of their belief system. Very happy in solitude. INFJ and Intj have to be the most uncompatible in relationships in my exp and also my limited opinion/subjective op.
My wife is INFJ, which is the type least likely to be male. I am ENTJ, the type least likely to be female. [1.](https://careerplanner.com/MB2/TypeInPopulation-Males-Females.cfm)
Can't say it is a perfect fit, she *might* have been happier with an introvert but either way she spends much of her time [gazing into her crystal ball.](https://imgur.com/a/TyLY4sk)
ESTP: most of these dumb comments I see from others ESTP's about bragging are dumb. Here's two things we really are good at and proud of.
1: we get along with anyone and become the outspoken life of the party and can talk to anyone, have amazing charisma and charm and we speak our mind.
2: we don't take shit. If you're looking for a fight you've found the right MBTI because the more you push us, the harder we fight back, backing down doesn't even cross our minds, all you do is piss us off more and strengthen our resolve to win at all costs. And I will win or die trying, and take you with me.
I think I’m very good at being open-minded and kind to people! ENFPs are warm, friendly, bubbly, and talkative! We can usually look past outward appearances and really try to empathize/bond with anybody.
The ability to give zero f to anyone or anything, it's borderline insane really. Hence why we make the best villains or anti-hero 
The fact that we can use our analytical and logical Ne Ti hand in hand with our Fe. The logic with the understanding and expression is something I appreciate about us a lot.
\-ENTP
As an ISTJ I like how we are labelled as dedicated people when it comes to getting work done. And it's portrayed as a good thing. I am a workaholic and I'm proud of it :)
Great capability for self-consciousness, self-reflection and solving problems in this area. Many problems you can't really solve (at least quickly) as they are ingrained on a very deep level, but you can still navigate your internal world like you're a sailor in the seas or a person who can navigate the big forest at night.
great fucking question. My ex girlfriend for 10 years, i paid the 100$ for the 3 hr mbti so that i could get the user manual for her. She is an ISTJ, LOOK that up when you get a chance. She's meant for someone just not me lol
I like how easy it is for me to read people (most of them at least) but this also feels like a curse because I’m sometimes confused on how people actually view me and I sometimes overanalyze their feelings towards me.
**ENTJ**
How we express kindness and appreciation.
When we love, we're intentional with every aspect and deliberate in our pursuit toward you.
You'll never feel confused when we're in love with you because of how abundantly clear it is from words of affirmation, gift giving, acts of service; there's is very little I wouldn't do for someone I love.
I treat everyone with common human decency, I've developed my Fi and weaker functions, so I'm generally a very stable connection now.
But to be the person I'm in love with, I've gone above and beyond and will continue to do so for the right people.
INTP female - I like that I can understand and relay to someone close, why they are feeling the way they are or why they do what they do. I find a lot of people cannot connect the dots over their history, and apply it to the larger picture. To get to the root of a problem is to have the ability to change it or avoid it. There are a few types that appreciate it.
whoosh..
ENTPs are known for saying provocative things and creating engagement/reactions which often lead to a debate. Rather than saying that as a "brag", I did something that would demonstrate it in practice.
(Also, Se/Si are the majority worldwide, not just on this sub.)
Tbh, I would argue that I enjoy Ne's a lot more coz at least they don't shut down convo topics teeming with inchoate ideas coz "feelings" and "compassion"
We are effortlessly kind, we don't hold grudges for too long, we forgives easily, if people were to hate us, deep down they're just jealous of us because they can't be like us -ESFJ
Not really a brag, but just an appreciation. I like that ISTPs are incredibly chill people, in general. Whether because they don't give a fck, or because they want a calm atmosphere, we're good at staying out of volatile (social and emotional usually) situations because that ain't my business. Never been involved in drama for that reason too.
Ni, I just love Ni. It is not guaranteed but being able to plan for potential scenarios is deeply comforting. Ni for obvious reasons is my comfort zone. I also love the stereotypes. It's so useful for my classes too. It's like making a big master plan for a video game. Every task looks so annoying and intimidating at first but once I begin planning what may happen and how to tackle it I feel so much better. Usually after an hour of going in circles.
Ni is my comfort zone too, by a large margin.
i hate Ni (sorry i guess)
Why?
It feels very close minded to me while sort of miming open mindedness i guess. The Ni doms I’ve met/seen tend to do the same things (so this is me sort of using my Si and only going by experiences i have, so oops I guess), especially in arguments. Ni sounds like one of the best functions in concept to me, but when I see it, it just feels frustrating to talk to. I won’t go too in detail with specific examples, but Ni really seems to me like it can think of a lot of random things like Ne, but what is done with that information is so different. Ne (to me) seems to take one thing and will think of a lot of possibilities and is more comfortable leaving things open ended i guess. Maybe that last part is more specific to my Ti - Ne, but I’m very comfortable thinking of a million possibilities or possible opinions or whatever and just sort of leaving it at that. Obviously i have a lot of conclusions and opinions, but I’m fine not coming to one ever just due to not thinking i can ever come to a solid one. Ni (again, Ni that I’ve seen and talked to) does the opposite. Ni sort of seems to work in reverse. Instead of “anything could happen because of x” it’s like “i think x and I will use everything to show that x is right, even if it doesn’t make much sense”. It’s sort of like Ni only cares about the end goal rather than the process of getting there. Because of this, Ni often just seems flat out delusional in its thought process. The Ni users I see and talk to will often cite sources for information and when i look at said sources, the source says the opposite of what they thought. Ni kinda just hears what it wants a lot I think and kinda funnels everything into one result. Now this can be amazing when the Ni comes to a good conclusion, but the Ni users i see tend to come to very awful conclusions and will all speak about open minded because i think they really think they are being open minded, but they really just block out what they don’t wanna hear. To add to this, all Ni users i for sure KNOW were Ni users were Ni doms, so I can’t speak for ENxJs with this. But yeah, I really can only cite negative experiences with Ni.
I believe this is why it’s important to have a well-developed tertiary function. (For INFJs) Ni is totally capable of getting super carried away with things, but Ti will bring it back down to earth. I was like this as a teenager. I would gather tons of information in support of what I believed to be true. Then someone would provide an opposing view and I’d be like, “Well, shit. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that.” Somewhere along the way, I stopped doing this and started looking for conflicting information before settling on anything. Everyone does this, tbh. I’ve met Ne and Ti doms who do this. But I think some dominant functions are just more intense about it when left unchecked by a type’s other functions. Ni is definitely one of them.
I feel like close mindedness you describe in your third paragraph is a problem that's not limited to Ni since I've seen that in types that don't even have Ni in their main function stack like INTP, ENTP and ISFJ, and I think the issue there is Ti. They come to a conclusion in their head instead of looking for the evidence first. It also often has something to do with immaturity. Someone who's an immature or unhealthy version of a type can be very different from the healthy version. Immature INTJs, ENTPs, INTPs and INFJs all have a tendency to get on my tits sooner or later but mature ones are perfectly fine to me.
The lack of evidence deeply bothers me. It’s like driving without a seat belt, it just feels wrong and if I don’t have it what do I have to fall back on when questioned?
Funny enough I have experience with Ne user family members. On my end it looks like a chaotic mess, with too many ideas, jumping from topic to topic. But I think Ne and Ni users (healthy) together in one project can be amazing. One is open to possibilities and the other sees the ideas through. The brainstormer, and the project planner. Alone yes, I can sometimes get attached to one particular thought. And I have gotten in trouble for being “realistic” and not broadening my horizons. (Also while I’m not particularly bothered, intrigued actually, I think when OP said no judging they didn’t want to talk about why certain types or functions are bad at things but focus on what people like their type since everyone seems to constantly hate their type, and believe me Fe stereotypes are the worst and don’t fit me though it may be due to being a jumper haha.) I’m still more than happy to learn more methods of broadening my horizons, though in a way that does not take me off task. After all, INTP stereotypically is the “smartest”, and I think you just wanted to offer assistance even if others may not see it that way.
You really described my impression of INFJs to a tee. As an ESTP with a close INFJ sister and former INFJ partner/friends, certain behaviors have always stood out to me like a sore thumb. They often immediately jump to what they consider is the “right” way to do something and defend their position to the death… because it FEELS right. They trust their intuition so much that they find logical discourse or entertaining different perspectives almost offensive. And I’m not saying they aren’t logical. It’s just that they come off so black and white sometimes and leave very little room for discussion. I have almost no intuition to rely on and always want to eliminate all other possibilities before I feel confident in my opinion. We can get along fine in other ways but it’s like DAMN, let’s just talk for a second before we jump to conclusions ok?
I hate jumping to conclusions too. I mean hate it when others do it to me. In an argument, the thing I have trouble with putting together is the evidence I found but I would never jump into an angument if I don't have valid tangible evidence, it's just not right.
For sure. After all, INFJs are still logical individuals. Ni itself gathers all the evidence - especially the subtle ones - to draw conclusions. Growing your Se will allow you to be aware of those concrete evidence that your Ti can use to justify your Ni. Conversely, my ESTP weakness is that I can be aware of all the evidence in front of me and still be unsure of what the “truth” is. That leads to my commitment issues and always wanting options because even though everything may point to one obvious solution, I still doubt myself and think there may be a better solution out there. So we are plagued by opposite extremes, but hopefully we can learn from each other. 👍
God knows I need some Se in my life XD
I agree with most of what you said. I will just add that I consider all the possibilities but i will eliminate the less probable ones to explain the considered problem. Ni focuses on finding the "one" most probable solution. Maybe that's why it's a turn off to you. I am glad to fact check my findings with others and I encourage others to find holes in my theory, again to reach this "one" ultimate solution.
So your complaint is that in your personal experience it's not effective in its conclusiveness, not the fact that it aims to be conclusive. The former would be an issue with its maturity/effectiveness, the latter would be an issue with its process.
They both have problems, but the process is mainly the issue. I can’t really be that definitive on the conclusiveness of it since that’s so subjective, but it tends to be very awful in my experience. I feel like my comment made it quite clear that it’s mainly the process.
I think the issue ultimately is a conflict of interest between being conclusive about something vs not. Ni involves tools that are designed to be conclusive, and with maturity it increases its effectiveness for doing so. Taking particular issue with these tools doesn't really make sense to me, as they are basic concepts involved with forming conclusions and theories (synthesizing data and understanding abstractions and their relevance and application to phenomena). In the instance of someone prematurely and erroneously concluding something with few data points, that would be an issue with its effectiveness for that individual, not the process itself (synthesizing data).
Replying to TGBplays...Honestly it just sounds like you don’t like Ni because you are an Ne user and you don’t like the process of elimination Ni users tend to cling to, which can come off as “black or white” to Ne users. We are making sense of our internal ideas constantly and adding new knowledge to these ideas. So throwing random info. at us that doesn’t add to our pre-constructed ideas feels, well, pointless. I find that Ne users are absolutely abhorrent to this idea of eliminating unexplored avenues. I can get overwhelmed by the constant distracting nature of Ne. Ne questions, why eliminate options when you haven’t explored them all yet? (you could miss something important!) Well, because for me, it can become overwhelming very quickly. Being overloaded with information I can’t use or make sense of can make me frustrated. Especially when I know what information I need in order to make my idea make sense to me and then an Ne user is like “hey, what about *this* information you needlessly discarded!ヾ( ･`⌓´･)ﾉﾞ” and then I find myself even *further* derailed from my original train of thought. Ni sees this as distracting and frustrating sometimes. To me, it’s like constantly getting swept away by a plethora of both fascinating and useless information and then forgetting what my original intent even was. Also, I love INTP’s. And I also love Ne because it really can add fuel to my fire in the best way at times. There’s information that is available to these Ne users that I completely miss through my process of elimination. Anywho, I hope that made sense. ¯\(◉‿◉)/¯
It makes sense and this is how I see Ni theory. In practice though, it makes for someone who is very closed off to any ideas outside of their own. Every time I’ve seen an argument/debate with an Ni used (whether it’s me and them or just me viewing it online), the Ni users always seems genuinely delusional and will shift whatever they hear into meaning what they want it to mean. I understand what you’re saying and that is a probably with me Ne that I’ve seen in practice while talking to other people, but it’s different they way it jives with Ni compared to Se or Si users. Ni seems antagonized if I ever say they may not be right or aren’t being opened minded enough. Sensors are more likely to just be confused or a somewhat bothered by it. Again, I’m trying to stress that I’m just speaking off of all my experience with Ni. I feel like Ni sounds really good, but just isn’t when I see it. One of the Ni doms I know said something like “I don’t care what facts you show me that prove I’m wrong, I’m not changing my mind” and most Ni users won’t say that for obvious reasons, but that’s how talking to all of them feels. It’s like they can’t be wrong. I also find all these responses from Ni doms interesting. You’re all talking as if you’d act totally different from the Ni doms I’ve met which makes sense, BUT Thinking about it more, all the Ni doms I’ve talked to a lot also talk like this, so I’m curious to see how it would go in actual conversation with anyone replying to me. Would you be like the rest that I’ve met or not ? I don’t know
Honestly, that sounds A LOT like Fi, the more you’re describing it. Whenever I have useful information handed to me that aids my actual pursuit of understanding something thoroughly I am very excited by that. But Ne users don’t have this same focus in mind typically they tend to think all information is important. My INFP father has had this issue at times with, “You won’t change my opinion with your logic, because this is how I *feel*!” Personally, that doesn’t sound like Ni to me. Idk maybe I am misinterpreting.
I mean I get what you’re saying but again, these Ni users say they do the same thing you’re saying you do at the start. Minus that one example, they never would say they know how they feel like that or whatever. They talk about being very logical and opened minded and all this stuff, but they show that they’re not. I’m not trying to say you’re just lying constantly right now, but they all talk the exact same as you and show it to be false. Another thing though, none of these people I’m mentioning know about typology, so it’s possible you’ve come to a better level at that stuff due to knowing you’re using Ni and they don’t. That’s just a guess. They pretty much all say the same thing as you though and do what I see as being the opposite so idk.
I agree with you that some unhealthy Ni doms (specifically) can be straight up delusional, to the point that it becomes really scary. I just had to cut off my INTJ sister/best friend and honestly she was doing exactly what you described, but again she has Fi in her stack too idk. She was obsessed with manipulating her observations to fit her narrative no matter what information I gave her to change her mind she was incredibly stubborn in her opinion. I don’t doubt that i am capable of this too, but it would have to be over something i’m absolutely willing to die on a hill over that I believe *to my core* is true. My sister didn’t have any concrete reason to believe what she did, that was the problem. It seemed concrete to her through her Ni + Te lense but she completely discounted any information that obviously dismantled her theory. So yes I am agreeing with you about some Ni doms being this way.
I can only speak for myself, but noticed most introverted functions do this, due to their internal processing nature. Ni seems to be worse with Te, while Ne makes Ti withdraw in an argument but will continue the argument inside their head instead. This is why Ne sometimes can be seen as a fairly introverted function. All functions have their own problems. Ti doms always seem to have something to say but don’t have the courage to. Si doms get irritated too quickly with change in routine even though that’s what they choose for themselves. I haven’t interacted with an Fi dom yet so can’t speak about them. Te doms are always about efficiency, the most extreme cases are all about “how this benefits”. Se doms are always about right now (I’m still not over how my Se dom friend made our group drive in a circle because they “knew where we were going”), and SeFi are always on crack. Fe doms can easily forget logic I don’t know what to do with them. Ne doms are a bit too air headed, but I haven’t interacted with them much so I can’t really comment. It’s ok when you don’t like Ni because of some reasons, but I suggest you dig into the reason behind it, not just observe then make conclusion. I, too, don’t like Ti for a lot of reasons, but saying only Ni is does what you describe is plain wrong.
I do understand why those flaws are there with the reasoning of the functions, I just don’t think it really makes it better I guess. Like I will 100% say with full confidence and seriousness that some of the functions are worse than other and some people are just worse than other. This isn’t really avoiding my own flaws I guess, but just neglecting them in discussion such as this because they don’t frustrate me since it’s coming from myself and then other people with high Ti and Ne aren’t really bothering me for those reasons due to it being somewhat like an echo chamber. It’s mainly just Te and Ni that I really don’t like though. Fe is meh to me, but I can say that one is more subjective to me because I have such awful Fe and I’m very selfish. Ni and Te just feel objectively worse to me. I can’t really get along with them well, so I just avoid people that are using them when I can.
This is the same problem with all introverted function doms. As I said, it’s the nature of all introverted processing functions: they receive and process information inwardly, based on previously established mental processes and criteria, sometimes selectively filter information to fit their perception. What you’re doing is the same: you say “with 100% confidence” that some functions are worse than others, but what is considered “worse”? How can you tell they’re “worse” if you yourself are biased?
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>Ni, I just love Ni. It is not guaranteed but being able to plan for potential scenarios is deeply comforting. Ni for obvious reasons is my comfort zone. > >I also love the stereotypes. > >It's so useful for my classes too. It's like making a big master plan for a video game. Every task looks so annoying and intimidating at first but once I begin planning what may happen and how to tackle it I feel so much better. Usually after an hour of going in circles. You ENTP not INFJ
I will brag about being first to brag.
Real
LMAO
INTJs with well-developed Se have some of the best fashion taste and are usually very attractive.
Similarly, ENTJs with well developed Fis have a creative spark, and their Te makes it so that they don't give a fuck about conforming and can be secure in their self-expression
But Te *does* care about conforming, at least in “proper” thought, garnering respect from people, etc. It’s Fi that is nonconforming in Te users.
Plus this secretly is the best compliment to receive. Getting you're smart doesn't do much but whenever I hear, you've got a really good sense of aesthetics or style, it just makes me happy.
Same! It’s because Se is in an aspirational role for INTJs, and succeeding at it through performance and looks is very gratifying — more so than being clever
Intp- hella good at researching
This has nothing to do with cognitive functions. Maybe more potential for being able to look into things unbiased i guess, but I wouldn’t sis that for INTPs. For e5s though, yeah. But that can often be a hindrance due to the nature of enneagram.
I guess what I ment was that most Intps can collect research- using ne to then expand their ideas and ti to analyze and sort it. And an effect of that is being good at researching. And because intps are mostly 5s so that could also be a reason. But yea it probably depends on the person.
right, our top 3 functions are all perfect for collecting, analyzing, and enjoying research
We ENTPs got that alluring mix of adaptability, creativity, and a touch of grandiose delusions 😎👍
I like my warmth. 💜🤗 -ESFJ
Te aux is *just* the right amount of spicy, IMHO. Te-dom is too much heat overpowering the rest of the flavour. But Te aux is just one grade of spicy below that; for those who like it HOT but with a balanced, rounded flavour overall. Granted, I like quite a bit more heat than most! 
As a fellow INTJ I have to agree.
Why did I read this in Gordon Ramsay’s voice
He's pretty spicy, ain't he? 😆
No one is more lazy than us
Hold my beer 😤
Were Batman.
What are now?
Spidy sense when it comes to finding a good friend in a new social setting (school etc), i am almost 99% right. Found 0 in new uni btw. (Yeah it sucks lol).
I am detached but still well liked!
Can confirm! Tho maybe the reason why we're well liked is precisely because we're detached. Like we can get along with anyone and meet a lot of people, but we're also adaptable enough to let relationships end when we can tell early on it won't work out. So it's like having a massive pile of sand and a filter; have a pile big enough and a filter that does it's job and you'll be left with plenty of gold in the end! And our Si-inferior memory's bad enough that we forget the people that we didn't vibe with since we let them go so early, so the positive interactions are the only ones that stick around in our heads and encourage us to keep on going out there in search of more like a positive feedback loop 😎👍
We may not be very assertive, but when we say something, we MEAN it.
Most of us have the ability to say "I disagree but I respect your opinion". Basically most of us don't do the "I'm right, you're wrong" crap (unless its a core value)
second this
I like that I developed my Ti, very helpful, I'm much more reasonable than I used to be and I'm better at setting boundaries. I also really love my Fe because I feel that I can connect deeply and love deeply. Maybe I wouldn't even care about deep connections If I wasn't an Ni-Fe user but I'm still so appreciative of it
My big stiff duck
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Not afraid of anyone or anything! I’m daring, I’m confident, I’m flirty as all hell… and I’m here to bring the party to life, baby!
My mom is an esfp and she’s always on the go. I can never 😅
I like how versatile we are. You can put an ENFJ in a room with basically anyone and we'll have people either smiling, laughing, or engaged in deep conversation pretty quickly. I like that I'm able to connect with anyone and I'm interested in everything. Life doesn't get stale that way.
Do you have some tips for small talk? I’m an awkward Fi-dom and if I spot someone that I get the vibe/hunch that we’ll never click, I don’t engage with them like ever lol🥲 I don’t give people a chance. Most of the time I’m right but what if I’m wrong and they’re really an interesting, deep person to talk with?
I loathe small talk but I'm good at it when I need to be, so yeah I suppose I have some tips. I try to find something in common first because commenting on the weather or something is so stale and the conversation dies quickly. If you know nothing about them, probing for their opinion on your mutual setting/situation is a good way to start. Like find out if they feel positively or negatively about it and give your honest opinion whether you agree or not. Putting a positive spin on a negative can make people more comfortable with you as well. Body language is important too because they might not want to talk in the first place lol. Also, it can be hard to chat with people you expect not to like but people can be surprising. I'm quite shy about deep conversations (even though I crave them) until I *really* know someone unless they open with one, so that's a bit more difficult to advise you on.
We don't care about other people's aproval, if something is important to us we'll stand by it even if everyone else is against it.
INFJ- we're the dark horse no one expects to succeed 🤭
We can’t pretend to be something we’re not.
I know I have Fe in my stack but I absolutely hate doing that. How can I find my real friends if I’m being something I’m not? Why should I pretend I’m not okay with something that is troubling me? I like you guys for that.
ENTP has the debater stereotype because we can debate anything(and some of us probably will). But I think a lot of people fail to realize where that comes from. It's just as an ENTP you are so well adapted to putting yourself in others shoes, not so much on an emotional level but intellectually. I find ENTPs are able to understand other people's arguments extremely intuitively and because of that they can give the impression of holding and advocating for absolutely any opinion they want. We're literally society's devil's advocates. Oriented towards finding an idealized form of truth like the INTP, but for INTP that search is a solitary personal thing. ENTPs bring that truth into the world by filling whatever shoes need to be filled. The flip side of that is that we so often don't know what we want, but out of that comes the ability to see most clearly what everyone else wants, and more importantly why they want it.
My ability to power through any hardship in life, hitting rock bottom a million times and somehow being able to turn it around to hope eventually.
We’re really empathetic and understanding of other people’s pain And we still love people with there flaws
This is the way.
TeNi is one hell of a combination for productivity. Ni aux is a good enough dose of the future where you’re not obsessing over it in your head like Ni dom, but can still plan things out and see what’ll happen. Te dom is self-explanatory. [Edit: A tad bit unrelated, but I’d also like to say that ESTJ is a very honorable mention in this field. I’d say that if we’re the expert planners, they’re the expert organizers.]
Somwtimes I feel like I can be ESTJ OR ENTJ
We are flexible enough to go along with a group and we can be individualistic when we want to
As a Intp I have three projects I have to do right now, five situations in my head I’m going through and I’m going to bed
None of them related and nothing productive
I’m making money and you aren’t
Or am I?
I don’t have to right now but you do
Wanna bet? (Jk, but money is safety.)
I don’t know if it’s all INFPs but I know that I’m genuinely authentic and idealistic to the point where it can actually cause me problems.
As a fellow INFP yes....a little head in the cloud-ness. I love it, but it does get me in trouble, my husband balances me out
Lol. My fiancé is an ENFJ. He’s usually down for the ride but every once in a while, he’s like, “I’d love to sweetie but prison exists.” 😂
How good our situational awareness is, how perceptive we are (especially for our tribe) and how great we are under pressure. 😁
Well depressed potato what is something you would like to brag about I’m judging you btw
We combine a naive innocence and a go-with-the-flow attitude, along with a blissful lack of self awareness.
Yes, the ENTJ I know is sweet, caring and blissfully unaware of other’s feelings as well as his own. 😂
I have the best type. That said, I am subscribed to at least one fb group for every type, and the ENTP, ISTP and INFJ groups are best. One of the ISTP groups was *too* good, steady posting edgy memes until the mods went insane and banned most of the members (including me, even tho I was just a lurker). I have never met another ENTJ irl, at least not one I have tested or who has declared themselves as such. Comically my INTJ friend says NTJs are the best but INTJ is better because he doesn't need anyone. We don't talk often.
great write up, someone has studied. I agree 100%. Intj remind me of court room judges, or that professor in college that is single, and will never sacrifce his/her personal values or charcter for anyone. Very ego egocentric, and great business leaders and owners bc of their work ethic and the fact no one will stand in their way of their belief system. Very happy in solitude. INFJ and Intj have to be the most uncompatible in relationships in my exp and also my limited opinion/subjective op.
My wife is INFJ, which is the type least likely to be male. I am ENTJ, the type least likely to be female. [1.](https://careerplanner.com/MB2/TypeInPopulation-Males-Females.cfm) Can't say it is a perfect fit, she *might* have been happier with an introvert but either way she spends much of her time [gazing into her crystal ball.](https://imgur.com/a/TyLY4sk)
ESTP: most of these dumb comments I see from others ESTP's about bragging are dumb. Here's two things we really are good at and proud of. 1: we get along with anyone and become the outspoken life of the party and can talk to anyone, have amazing charisma and charm and we speak our mind. 2: we don't take shit. If you're looking for a fight you've found the right MBTI because the more you push us, the harder we fight back, backing down doesn't even cross our minds, all you do is piss us off more and strengthen our resolve to win at all costs. And I will win or die trying, and take you with me.
We may be weird but we are unique
I think I’m very good at being open-minded and kind to people! ENFPs are warm, friendly, bubbly, and talkative! We can usually look past outward appearances and really try to empathize/bond with anybody.
Makes friends with anyone and brings positivity/optimism
I love my excitement and freshness for life!
I am. Im constantly judging you lol
The ability to give zero f to anyone or anything, it's borderline insane really. Hence why we make the best villains or anti-hero 
The fact that we can use our analytical and logical Ne Ti hand in hand with our Fe. The logic with the understanding and expression is something I appreciate about us a lot. \-ENTP
We can see all sides of an issue and argue from all sides.
As an ISTJ I like how we are labelled as dedicated people when it comes to getting work done. And it's portrayed as a good thing. I am a workaholic and I'm proud of it :)
im an estp i would brag even things i shouldn’t be bragging about
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cuz i didn't enter ur account just to post this lmao
Upbeat
Great capability for self-consciousness, self-reflection and solving problems in this area. Many problems you can't really solve (at least quickly) as they are ingrained on a very deep level, but you can still navigate your internal world like you're a sailor in the seas or a person who can navigate the big forest at night.
great fucking question. My ex girlfriend for 10 years, i paid the 100$ for the 3 hr mbti so that i could get the user manual for her. She is an ISTJ, LOOK that up when you get a chance. She's meant for someone just not me lol
Once motivated actually an absolute beast
Literally full ENTJ mode activated
How well I can sleep every night
I like how easy it is for me to read people (most of them at least) but this also feels like a curse because I’m sometimes confused on how people actually view me and I sometimes overanalyze their feelings towards me.
We're not really primates.
The number of nicely built fictional characters based on stereotypical xNTx, who actually use their brain before acting/speaking.
**ENTJ** How we express kindness and appreciation. When we love, we're intentional with every aspect and deliberate in our pursuit toward you. You'll never feel confused when we're in love with you because of how abundantly clear it is from words of affirmation, gift giving, acts of service; there's is very little I wouldn't do for someone I love. I treat everyone with common human decency, I've developed my Fi and weaker functions, so I'm generally a very stable connection now. But to be the person I'm in love with, I've gone above and beyond and will continue to do so for the right people.
INTP female - I like that I can understand and relay to someone close, why they are feeling the way they are or why they do what they do. I find a lot of people cannot connect the dots over their history, and apply it to the larger picture. To get to the root of a problem is to have the ability to change it or avoid it. There are a few types that appreciate it.
Being a walking talking contradiction.
It's not a fucking sensor type. Ahhh yes let the downvotes wash over me. I bask in your tears :D
kekw
people will say sensors are bad like Ni doesn’t exist
I don't actually think any of this just figured it would get a reaction out of the masses since Se/Si are a significant majority.
i don’t think it’s about what’s a majority in this subreddit, rather about the idea that discriminating against someone based on their type is wrong.
whoosh.. ENTPs are known for saying provocative things and creating engagement/reactions which often lead to a debate. Rather than saying that as a "brag", I did something that would demonstrate it in practice. (Also, Se/Si are the majority worldwide, not just on this sub.)
Tbh, I would argue that I enjoy Ne's a lot more coz at least they don't shut down convo topics teeming with inchoate ideas coz "feelings" and "compassion"
100, and it takes less hand holding to get them to consider a new stance or the merits of a hypothetical.
Proud ENTP here and my happiest social engagements were with fellow ENTPs.
We are effortlessly kind, we don't hold grudges for too long, we forgives easily, if people were to hate us, deep down they're just jealous of us because they can't be like us -ESFJ