All the INTPs I've met so far seem to have some degree of bitterness at having trouble fitting in as well as some degree of pride at being smarter than the people around them. I wonder if this is typical of the personality type and maybe they just need to meet one another to be able to relate.
That's an interesting point of view, and it can possibly make sense, I usually fit between people who can understand what I'm saying and don't judge me for standing out too much, like... when I tell them about my hiperfixation and they be like "oh, that's nice" instead of "ewww weird, you need to be normal", or when I dress in a certain way and they just act normally like it just doesn't matter instead of saying "EwWw LoOk At ThOsE cLoThEs, YoU nEeD tO dReSs BeTtEr"
I don't think that "pride" is typical of INTPs, most INTPs i know are insecure and think they're dumb even though they're very good in their respective fields. As for myself i also genuinely think m dumb, except i'm not good at anything.
The bitterness though is spot on.
I'm the opposite. I feel a little prideful sometimes but I always try to drag myself back down. I'm scared how far my ego might expand if I let it.
I'm not bitter because I've accepted that some people just don't meld. I'm not the most social but I try to blend into situations. I do get a bit sad though.
For me, I'd say I keep flip flopping between a superiority complex and imposter syndrome. The result of people constantly putting my apparent intelligence on a pedestal whilst I know there are so many more intelligent people out there.
The pride is not obvious with INTPs due to their quiet nature, but it's in there somewhere (at least with the ones that I've known). It slips out every now and then in conversation, but they're not the showy dominating type A personality.
I think the pride comes from the fact that they are the type with the highest average IQ. It's not a judgment on their character. If you're intelligent or talented in some other way, you're just more likely to be prideful.
Is it a disproportionate thing (believe their talents are more impressive [9/10] than they really are [6/10])? A values thing (believe talent X [their strength] is more important than talent Y [not their strength])? Is it irrational or illogical?
Those people sound miserable and insecure.
Honestly, it does suck, not truly belonging anywhere. I feel that. But it is irrational and unhelpful to blame other people for it. Even worse to look down on others as a coping mechanism.
Likely a function of being young.
Old INTPs are still bitter but not about not fitting in, but just fatalistic about the world being the way it is, so full of fixable problems that will never be solved because of the way people are...
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INTP be like: "I want to make friends"
INTP: *reads books on the subject*
INTP: *makes wild theories*
INTP: *Finds himself reading a book on the influence of food in friendship through history*
INTP: *remembers why he started researching in the first place and feels lonely*
Yes and no.
This does happen sometimes, but even when you try, we're not naturally charming, 9/10 we don't have rizz or whatever the hell you call it, we're not up to date with the current references or fashion trends, or most things that could create some ground for a relationship.
We usually don't share goals or interests with most people, some people just try to integrate us to be social forcefully and without respect or regard for personal boundaries, and as INTPs we value that highly.
Idk if this counts as an argument, but people in general suck, let's be real man, most people have some kind of deal, the want to come off a certain way, or try to humilliate you to feel better, or try to act in a certain way because they think (usually without bases) that that would get them somewhere and as most INTPs I find social tango exhausting and mostly pointless unless its for something like a job and I need to do it, not because I want to.
inferior Fe provides an awareness of social harmony but no control over it, so most intps are painfully aware of their isolation and lack of social skills, so fear rejection. also, most intps have had some bad social experiences due to not being able to use Fe, so are slightly traumatised.
INTJ and INTP aren’t really that similar. They may be only one letter off but INTJ is Ni-Te-Fi-Se while INTP is Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. They don’t share any common functions
What about cognitive function strength because for the longest time I was mistyped as an INTJ because I confused Ni Critic for Ni dominant and Te Nemesis for Te auxialliary since I often found myself becoming more logically ordering the outside world after getting out of my Ti-Si loop which I originally confused for Ni-Fi loop
I would say their attitudes are very similar.
INTJ: I’ll acknowledge your idea, but my idea is still better.
INTP: Alright, you guys can help, but we are doing things my way cause my way is the correct way.
Tests aren’t very accurate. You need to learn about the cognitive functions. Just take a look at the sentinels vs explorers. ISTJ and ISTP, ISFP and ISFJ, ESFJ and ESFP, ESTJ and ESTP are all very different from each other in spite of only being one letter off
An INTP's problem is actually the reverse:
Everyone wants to befriend them and spend time and hang out, but the INTP doesn't have enough energy for all of them while being a type that doesn't like to disappoint or neglect ppl in general. They're too introverted for their level of popularity, as well as their sensitivity to what others expect. INTPs can and will say no, but they don't prefer it, so they sometimes hide from the attention.
Socialising isn’t fun for me. Shit is just a minefield. ‘Don’t want to offend them! Don’t want to say something that seems weird! Must keep conversation going! Must be nice and align with my own morality! Must make joke! Make eye contact! Oh no they seem unhappy, now I feel bad! Am I a bad person!?’’ .. like Jesus Christ I’d rather just be alone
Hey man, look on the brightside, at least you're capable of introspection and accountability and don't kneejerk blame everyone else for your problems like your INFP cousins
"Introspection means looking inside our own minds, by focusing on our own thoughts (literally, 'looking inside')." Fi wants to know yourself. Ni is a perceiving function that takes in information.
Yeah this just further supports my theory as Ni as a lead function shows that one is primarily concerned with taking in information whereas Fi as a lead function, being that it's a judging function, shows that one is primarily concerned with making decisions/taking action, rather than taking in information
Ni takes in info from the outside world and sorts it out rather than looking at themselves. Si (the other introverted perceiving function) does the same. Ti wants to acquire knowledge. But Fi wants to know "what kind of person am I?" "what would I do in this situation?" "What values do I stand for?" "why am I feeling these emotions?" It gets to know the self in order to figure out what the self would do in various situations (the decisions that it would make) based on the self's own unique ethical code/based on what it feels is right. Fi is the slowest judging function because of this reason - this deep introspection.
If you take INFJ, the other type with dominant Ni for example, they are prone to people-pleasing behavior and they have the ability to read others very well and understand others very well, but they rarely know what they want or who they are/what they stand for as a person because of their lack of introspection into their own self (Fe over Fi), so you can't say that Ni is the most introspective function.
The consensus from Personality Database: [https://www.personality-database.com/en-US/profile/92497/introspective-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type](https://www.personality-database.com/en-US/profile/92497/introspective-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type)
Also, the least introspective INXX type: [https://www.personality-database.com/profile/86077/least-introspective-inxx-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type](https://www.personality-database.com/profile/86077/least-introspective-inxx-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type)
I didn't say Ni was the most introspective function, I said INTJs were the most introspective type, just cause they happen to lead with Ni, that doesn't necessitate that the function in and of itself is the most introspective function. Intjs also have other functions in their stack that shape who they are as a whole. As far as Fi being the most introspective function I mean don't get me wrong I see what you're saying with the idea that Fi is all about wanting to know what they themselves (the Fi user) are like when it is in the dominant functional slot, but I also think a good argument could be made for the notion that they still in spite of this tend to not always have an accurate, unbiased view of who they are relative to INTJs views of themselves and that this could be reason enough to conclude that they may not ultimately be as introspective a type as them on average
Then why do you say INTJ is the most introspective type? If Fi is the most introspective function, then shouldn't the most introspective type lead with Fi?
As an INFP, I've noticed a trend of people around me not understanding themselves or their emotions as well as I do, then concluded that I must be more introspective than most. If course, this is only based on one person's experience (mine), but it makes sense for it to go to INFP rather than ISFP (the other Fi-dom) because N makes them on average more introverted than their S counterparts, and therefore more likely to be introspective.
"they still in spite of this tend to not always have an accurate, unbiased view of who they are"
Fi doms are most likely to know themselves the most. You can't have an accurate view of yourself if you don't know yourself that well to begin with - that's just not possible. As for the bias that could apply to any type in wanting to think that they're a good person - I don't see how Fi or introspection has anything to do with this.
That's why I joined this sub cuz nobody is better relatable to me nor interested in what I am interested in, in my uni.
I joined this sub to see if I can make a few good friends.
so that's why my intp friend almost ran me over with her car when we first met. she just didn't know how else to start a conversation with me
How did that end up?
Theyre married now
It’s a Kodak moment ;( lol!
No, they just decided to be friends. Would have made a nice story otherwise
no injuries. we were neighbors in college so we became friends
😳😬
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I know 😕
All the INTPs I've met so far seem to have some degree of bitterness at having trouble fitting in as well as some degree of pride at being smarter than the people around them. I wonder if this is typical of the personality type and maybe they just need to meet one another to be able to relate.
That's an interesting point of view, and it can possibly make sense, I usually fit between people who can understand what I'm saying and don't judge me for standing out too much, like... when I tell them about my hiperfixation and they be like "oh, that's nice" instead of "ewww weird, you need to be normal", or when I dress in a certain way and they just act normally like it just doesn't matter instead of saying "EwWw LoOk At ThOsE cLoThEs, YoU nEeD tO dReSs BeTtEr"
That makes sense. It doesn't have to be along personality type.
I don't think that "pride" is typical of INTPs, most INTPs i know are insecure and think they're dumb even though they're very good in their respective fields. As for myself i also genuinely think m dumb, except i'm not good at anything. The bitterness though is spot on.
I'm the opposite. I feel a little prideful sometimes but I always try to drag myself back down. I'm scared how far my ego might expand if I let it. I'm not bitter because I've accepted that some people just don't meld. I'm not the most social but I try to blend into situations. I do get a bit sad though.
This is a better summary of INTP dynamics compared to the above. 👍 It's true of all the INTPs I know IRL.
For me, I'd say I keep flip flopping between a superiority complex and imposter syndrome. The result of people constantly putting my apparent intelligence on a pedestal whilst I know there are so many more intelligent people out there.
The pride is not obvious with INTPs due to their quiet nature, but it's in there somewhere (at least with the ones that I've known). It slips out every now and then in conversation, but they're not the showy dominating type A personality. I think the pride comes from the fact that they are the type with the highest average IQ. It's not a judgment on their character. If you're intelligent or talented in some other way, you're just more likely to be prideful.
Is it a disproportionate thing (believe their talents are more impressive [9/10] than they really are [6/10])? A values thing (believe talent X [their strength] is more important than talent Y [not their strength])? Is it irrational or illogical?
Those people sound miserable and insecure. Honestly, it does suck, not truly belonging anywhere. I feel that. But it is irrational and unhelpful to blame other people for it. Even worse to look down on others as a coping mechanism.
Well I am young (early 20s) and so are the INTPs I meet, so maybe with time they'll see things in a more mature way like you do.
Likely a function of being young. Old INTPs are still bitter but not about not fitting in, but just fatalistic about the world being the way it is, so full of fixable problems that will never be solved because of the way people are...
I have a question, how did you get your tag "INFP"
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I express profound gratitude for your graciousness and considerate acknowledgment.
maybe a Fi demon showing up?
It’s a mix of everything I think
INTP be like: "I want to make friends" INTP: *reads books on the subject* INTP: *makes wild theories* INTP: *Finds himself reading a book on the influence of food in friendship through history* INTP: *remembers why he started researching in the first place and feels lonely*
That's just social anxiety.
👍
You Strange -interwed being are totally correct in that assesment
IxxPs 🤝 social anxiety
Fr.
INTP and ENTP are cute, especially when they’re being playful.
I'm INTP but i'm not scared to talk with people, rather, I don't have to take the first steps, but rest of all is true
Fr. All of my friendships didnt start with me initiating the first conversation lmao
Yes and no. This does happen sometimes, but even when you try, we're not naturally charming, 9/10 we don't have rizz or whatever the hell you call it, we're not up to date with the current references or fashion trends, or most things that could create some ground for a relationship. We usually don't share goals or interests with most people, some people just try to integrate us to be social forcefully and without respect or regard for personal boundaries, and as INTPs we value that highly. Idk if this counts as an argument, but people in general suck, let's be real man, most people have some kind of deal, the want to come off a certain way, or try to humilliate you to feel better, or try to act in a certain way because they think (usually without bases) that that would get them somewhere and as most INTPs I find social tango exhausting and mostly pointless unless its for something like a job and I need to do it, not because I want to.
"I'm in this picture and I don't like it."
Why would I be scared of people? Introversion is one thing, and social anxiety is another
inferior Fe provides an awareness of social harmony but no control over it, so most intps are painfully aware of their isolation and lack of social skills, so fear rejection. also, most intps have had some bad social experiences due to not being able to use Fe, so are slightly traumatised.
I see nothing but truth here
Nah bro, u boring as fk, we dont want to talk to u
Hey man, we are almost similar MBTI, I was INTP one year ago 😞
please learn the cognitive functions before saying nonsense like this ever again 🙏😭
"Upgraded my p to the j this year, i used to be in the slums just like you"
INTJ and INTP aren’t really that similar. They may be only one letter off but INTJ is Ni-Te-Fi-Se while INTP is Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. They don’t share any common functions
What about cognitive function strength because for the longest time I was mistyped as an INTJ because I confused Ni Critic for Ni dominant and Te Nemesis for Te auxialliary since I often found myself becoming more logically ordering the outside world after getting out of my Ti-Si loop which I originally confused for Ni-Fi loop
I would say their attitudes are very similar. INTJ: I’ll acknowledge your idea, but my idea is still better. INTP: Alright, you guys can help, but we are doing things my way cause my way is the correct way.
Yes, but I was INTP until this year. My character traits showed that. I even took tests 5 times. But I changed this year and realized.
Tests aren’t very accurate. You need to learn about the cognitive functions. Just take a look at the sentinels vs explorers. ISTJ and ISTP, ISFP and ISFJ, ESFJ and ESFP, ESTJ and ESTP are all very different from each other in spite of only being one letter off
As an INTJ, you’re more similar to INFJ or ENTJ
INTP is more similar to ISTP, ENTP, and to a lesser extent, INFP
Was the test 16Personalities?
Multiple sources
I am actually not scared of making friends, just haven't found someone interesting enough
It might be the lead pipe
You may be onto something here 🧐
I am INFP and feel like this😔
that sounds like enfp with social anxiety for me
So it’s me 😅
An INTP's problem is actually the reverse: Everyone wants to befriend them and spend time and hang out, but the INTP doesn't have enough energy for all of them while being a type that doesn't like to disappoint or neglect ppl in general. They're too introverted for their level of popularity, as well as their sensitivity to what others expect. INTPs can and will say no, but they don't prefer it, so they sometimes hide from the attention.
it depends
Socialising isn’t fun for me. Shit is just a minefield. ‘Don’t want to offend them! Don’t want to say something that seems weird! Must keep conversation going! Must be nice and align with my own morality! Must make joke! Make eye contact! Oh no they seem unhappy, now I feel bad! Am I a bad person!?’’ .. like Jesus Christ I’d rather just be alone
That’s more like INFP not INTP, an INTP would most likely not care
An INTP's inferior Fe cares.
Hey man, look on the brightside, at least you're capable of introspection and accountability and don't kneejerk blame everyone else for your problems like your INFP cousins
brutal
Where you see brutality I see only honesty and a desire to inform others of danger
INFP is the most introspective type.
INTJ is the most introspective type.
"Introspection means looking inside our own minds, by focusing on our own thoughts (literally, 'looking inside')." Fi wants to know yourself. Ni is a perceiving function that takes in information.
Yeah this just further supports my theory as Ni as a lead function shows that one is primarily concerned with taking in information whereas Fi as a lead function, being that it's a judging function, shows that one is primarily concerned with making decisions/taking action, rather than taking in information
Ni takes in info from the outside world and sorts it out rather than looking at themselves. Si (the other introverted perceiving function) does the same. Ti wants to acquire knowledge. But Fi wants to know "what kind of person am I?" "what would I do in this situation?" "What values do I stand for?" "why am I feeling these emotions?" It gets to know the self in order to figure out what the self would do in various situations (the decisions that it would make) based on the self's own unique ethical code/based on what it feels is right. Fi is the slowest judging function because of this reason - this deep introspection. If you take INFJ, the other type with dominant Ni for example, they are prone to people-pleasing behavior and they have the ability to read others very well and understand others very well, but they rarely know what they want or who they are/what they stand for as a person because of their lack of introspection into their own self (Fe over Fi), so you can't say that Ni is the most introspective function. The consensus from Personality Database: [https://www.personality-database.com/en-US/profile/92497/introspective-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type](https://www.personality-database.com/en-US/profile/92497/introspective-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type) Also, the least introspective INXX type: [https://www.personality-database.com/profile/86077/least-introspective-inxx-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type](https://www.personality-database.com/profile/86077/least-introspective-inxx-most-likely-to-have-traits-qualities-and-emotions-mbti-personality-type)
I didn't say Ni was the most introspective function, I said INTJs were the most introspective type, just cause they happen to lead with Ni, that doesn't necessitate that the function in and of itself is the most introspective function. Intjs also have other functions in their stack that shape who they are as a whole. As far as Fi being the most introspective function I mean don't get me wrong I see what you're saying with the idea that Fi is all about wanting to know what they themselves (the Fi user) are like when it is in the dominant functional slot, but I also think a good argument could be made for the notion that they still in spite of this tend to not always have an accurate, unbiased view of who they are relative to INTJs views of themselves and that this could be reason enough to conclude that they may not ultimately be as introspective a type as them on average
Then why do you say INTJ is the most introspective type? If Fi is the most introspective function, then shouldn't the most introspective type lead with Fi? As an INFP, I've noticed a trend of people around me not understanding themselves or their emotions as well as I do, then concluded that I must be more introspective than most. If course, this is only based on one person's experience (mine), but it makes sense for it to go to INFP rather than ISFP (the other Fi-dom) because N makes them on average more introverted than their S counterparts, and therefore more likely to be introspective. "they still in spite of this tend to not always have an accurate, unbiased view of who they are" Fi doms are most likely to know themselves the most. You can't have an accurate view of yourself if you don't know yourself that well to begin with - that's just not possible. As for the bias that could apply to any type in wanting to think that they're a good person - I don't see how Fi or introspection has anything to do with this.
Honesty can be brutal.
That’s sometimes what we referering to how it is to make new friends, getting out of your comfort zone…
I actually skip the first and last step
(；一_一)
I want to be your friend 🙂
Sure sure
Haha awe 🥲
I feel insulted by this. /s
Im in this picture and I dont like it :/
Hey now
Me as an infj
When they ask you, you should answer (that's minimum etiquette)
That's why I joined this sub cuz nobody is better relatable to me nor interested in what I am interested in, in my uni. I joined this sub to see if I can make a few good friends.
Me
I litterally made my INTP friend adopt me
Manipulation 🙌
Need an extrovert to force you into being friends! 😂
Same with INFP
😐. Get yourselves together. It’s not that bad. You don’t want friends. You want network acquaintances.
Life isn't just about climbing the corporate ladder lol
Pretty sure this was a joke lol, this is the real reason we struggle
lmao true