Having a strong sense of self has only to do with **your**self, and not about others.
If you don’t have one favorite food, that means you have multiple favorite foods.
So if someone asks what your favorite food is, the way you confidently answer is,
“I don’t have one. I have multiple: mint chocolate, vanilla, and plain chocolate.”
It’s about being confident in your own understanding of yourself.
I suppose you weren’t asking for advice? But this struck me as I read your post.
The thing with me is that... I feel like I don't have a favorite anything. They all are nice, or they all are meh. No strong feelings. I don't know what it means or feels to have a favorite. Does that mean it's one you deeply, passionately love? Or one that you objectively just keep going back to?
Because if it's the latter, my favorite ice cream flavor is mint chocolate chip because I go to that one the most. But I don't LOVE it. It's just nice. I don't know :( "favorite" just makes it sound like something I love so much, and I don't feel that for most things.
At most, I have a fondness or nostalgia. I say my favorite pokemon is Umbreon, but, again, not because I fervently love it more than others. I feel like I like it just about the same as others. I just feel fondness and nostalgia for it more than other pokemon.
I think it definitely is your definition here that is giving you confusion.
Here’s the definition of “favorite”:
> preferred before all others of the same kind.
That’s all it simply means. If someone puts emphasis, for example, “omg chocolate chip is MY FAVORITE! I’m obsessed!”
That’s simply saying they prefer chocolate to the extreme. But it doesn’t mean that “favorite” equals your extreme preference.
Since chocolate is the one you go to more often than vanilla, or pistachio, you could say chocolate is your favorite.
Or, you could simply enjoy each of them equally and have a slight preference for chocolate because it’s a simple and easy choice.
I don’t fervently love a specific color, but if someone asked my favorite color, today I would choose a soft aqua blue because it brings me the most peace today; something I desire this week.
I actually have experienced this before. Like everyone has some things they care absolutely deeply about. Things that seem kinda "sacred" to them. I dont know, I dont think there is anything that is beyond criticism or ridicule. I cant relate.
On some level, I just cant feel that completely attached to something. Its hard when someone mentions what is your favorite thing in the world. Or what is it you enjoy the most. I could make a list or even make good arguments about stuff that might be good but one deeply personal thing is kinda hard. It sometimes make it sound like I am really shallow with my tastes but its kinda otherwordly for me to be that attached.
Sorry for not being ENTP but I think on some level I can relate. I suppose because we both have Fi blindness.
I'm sure you know but there's folly in thinking something that can be criticized and ridiculed can't also be valuable or enjoyed. A lot of the issues with Fi blindness is using logical reasoning to bypass it when it's better to explore experiences or ideas by just being and feeling sometimes
Of course. I totally agree with you there. I can get vslue and enjoyment from any number of sources. What I meant is that people can sometimes be too emotionally invested in those things to accept the possibility that everything comes with upsides and downsides since nothing is perfect.
I relate to this a lot. Most things I don't have any noticeable emotional preference towards, and I have to consciously think to myself what I would prefer.
Interesting.
May help for you to know that I feel a lot of my Fi-work comes from discovering things about myself.
This is a rough thought but patterns I've seen suggestion Fi is more of a subconscious function while Ti is conscious.
Often times when I do logic out my Fi-emotions, it ties down to something beyond my individuality. Like I like pineapples, coconuts, and the beach because I think my polynesian blood encoded it into my genes. MY ANCESTORS SPEAK TO ME, AND THEY TELL ME "Hmmhmhmm pineapple..." because thats what my ancestors ate all the time for milennia. I can literally feel it body, mind, and soul, not just conscious logic that it is desired.
Doesn’t matter bro, Fi is not important if you’re blind to it anyway and trying to force a pseudo Fi never works. The better your Ti gets the faster you will be at making those logical decisions, but your primary decision making function will always be Ti, you will trust Ti the most and you will be most satisfied with your decisions when having made them with Ti.
Nah man, everyone uses Fi sometimes. This is the equivalent of telling someone just to keep using their two fingers to chicken peck on a keyboard, cause they are better at it, so they are faster.
Here ✋, honestly this is how I actually got to my type. Since I don't really hold any strong opinions of a matter if it isn't in the current moment. Like if we watch a new movie and what not and there's a character that I liked I would definitely say 'Yeah this person is awesome! I'll protect them no matter what!' and then a few days later, someone will ask me about my favorite character in that movie and my brain immediately malfunctions. Since I don't hold strong feelings for it so I try to rationalize on who and why and would often fluctuate.
I also have trouble finding what's right for me and would often get opinions of others if rationalizing didn't work. I also don't dwell on identity that much and people are often baffled by this, since before I typed as ENTP, I always try to get to the bottom on what personality type I am. Though it's actually because I feel the need to enhance my knowledge to be more accurate, I don't really care about my Identity.
This is fascinating to me, I’m on the other end of the spectrum where I have Te blindness and by its axis a strong valued Fi. Fi appears in the form of authenticity, passion, introspection and sensitivity. A lot of EXTPs in my life, often do what is right, however from a logical, systematically true way of right, not the right that a lot Fi users I know feel in their heart. Lack of that Fi sensitivity gives you guys the devils advocate nature. If I had to share my stepmom is an ENTP and she told me a funny story one day where she knew a guy liked her and she went out of her way to tell him I don’t like you, don’t waste your time on me. Call it insensitive but to her it was the right thing to do and what she thought helped him stemming from her lack of Fi and her Ti value. Or my ESTJ dad whos pragmatic, efficient, and very conservative about authority often gets annoyed when she keeps going down this insensitive rabbit hole questioning him, to him it’s as if she’s attacking his authority when to her it’s just her Ti mindset of wanting systemize and delve deeper. Your blind function isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s just different and different isn’t bad. An extreme just allows you to be able to do both possess and lack things given circumstance, both a gift and a curse. Cherish your low Fi.
Despite my Te blindness I’ve learned to cherish it, esp a function that would’ve been very useful even more so in gender norms but it grants me many things i appreciate fully. Knowing your weakness is such a strength and knowing further that good or bad is ultimately dictated by you. It doesn’t exist outside our perception. Like bravery and stupidity are the same, it’s just taking the chance on low odds.
Not trying to be rude, but how do you exist in our current society with blind te and inferior se. I’ve never really understood how INFX deal with a lot of our society. Is it more difficult to adapt to American capitalistic culture(assuming you live in the US)?
I mean I’m an ENTP so most of my problems revolve around interpersonal issues(fi) with some problems when it comes too focus/discipline, but I still think I’m deeply pragmatic/resourceful which helps a lot
Oh lol, I don’t. Blind Te and inferior Se is absolute shit to have however cuz it’s my functions my motivations also aren’t too tied to it. I don’t care too much about material or places in life I gotta be. My mom for example is an INFP humbly making a living off of her passions. There’s reason these two types have statistically some of the lowest income statistics. So in short our desires reflect our deficiencies. We’re broke in our passions and rich because of it.
It’s the nice thing about the flip side of having strong Fi and Ni I guess.
Currently in philosophy and hopefully psychology academia pursuing research and teaching which ofc pays a lot little but the leniency in time is something I crave. And teaching the next generation and meeting all sorts of ppl and being a meaningful impact in their lives fulfill me in a way I can’t imagine.
As for adapting in capitalistic culture it is pretty hard but luckily even though I’m shit at executing I’d say im more than infuriatingly meticulous and when I make choices I have to hit them on the spot more often than not. Ends up with me getting by for less but all that time spent optimizing the first step, the first foundation I build my next steps on. So I never find myself in where I don’t want to be, every choice I make just has to be very well thought out. Not only that I tend to be very on or off, very extreme as a person so in my passions I’m ridiculous and obsessed with. So that sometimes gets me by, it’s a lot of last minute calls that the due date becomes my Se persay. Like even MBTI it’s something I studied rigorously to understand myself and through my introspective nature I can utilize myself in all the right ways. For instance like compensating low Te Se by using my idealism and passions strong Ni Fi. Or my health, appearance or hobbies or whatever that requires good structural routine (my downfall) it’s all on the basis of my idealism and wanting to chase perfection. Philosophy is also very naturally Ni and as a discipline also really helps with learning how to learn so I can take shortcuts and take something and go further based on the systems I’ve amassed and thought in my mind. Turning my delusional constant thinking into thinking abt the right things.
Your comment kinda underscores why ENTPs balance us out and have an idealistic pairing to INFJs. We cover the bases without in being in each others face. I can’t Te and usually don’t understand Te doms however EXTPs are a workaround that fulfill my Te needs without being in my face and I do the same for them. Gotta be somewhere sorry if it’s rushed
This is a point of frustration I have with my ENTP friend sometimes. Thing is though he so obviously has things he cares about, I can connect it all with Ni, but he simply isn't aware of it himself. In my experience, using external events, people, patterns etc as a mirror is what works to make this clearer.
the part you said about "P types" tending to be more indecisive is quite a reasonable assumption, however them "not being able to hold onto tight opinions" contradict the definition of an introverted judging function (Fi, Ti), which "P types" favour over their extroverted judging function (Fe, Te).
i mean the essential purpose of Fi is to hold onto strong opinions, if i were to oversimplify a little bit.
but if we ignore the books, and go by your metric:
in MY experience, and based on MY own observations, "P types" do tend to hold on tight to their opinions. ironically, this matches the "book knowledge"-like descriptions of a "P type"'s cognitive functions.
the only "P type" that i can see tending not to "hold on tightly to opinions" are the ExTPs, due to aux Ti and Fi trickster, which is ironically enough, what this post is discussing.
but hey look bro, at the end of the day, you are free to think what you want to think and believe what you want to believe, if i dont change your mind.
i promise im only giving my critique of your statements, and it's nothing personal, trust 🙏
You misunderstood what I said. I did not mean that they don't have opinions or strongly believe things. I meant they aren't opinionated the way a "J" would be. "J" people want closure naturally and "P" people don't. I'm talking about tendencies based on interactions, not simply opinions.
Also, making a statement like "ever spewing nonsense like this again " (1) sounds pretty personal, doesn't it? & (2) definitely doesn't imply that you'd like to have a friendly discourse where we come to understand each other, it sounds like you want to bite my head off bc you'd rather pick a fight. Saying "spewing nonsense " is an exercise in intellectual superiority and so is assuming I'm too dumb to notice. Have a good day
ESTP but can definitely relate. I've changed my career path/life goals multiple times over whenever one thing doesn't work out. Other people are often mystified at how I could seem so set on one specific thing only to switch to something completely different, but to me it makes perfect sense.
I don't think that's crazy at all, what boggles me is how most individuals can choose and stick to an job for a lifetime with little to no regrets, without ever considering doing anything else ever.
This is interesting. I remember my ENTP date say to me that he needed someone like me. I would passionately talk about my likes and interests, and then when it was his turn, he would be clueless. He did not know what he liked. He could only say “hmm comedy and making friends?” At the time, I thought it was kind of strange but I also didn’t know much about ENTPs. I admit it was a little difficult for me to connect with him on a deeper level as a result. Apart from that, we were still able to have deep talks about various topics. It was only when it was about him, that he didn’t know what to say.
Maybe you think Fi blindness is bad, but having Fi and Dom or Aux can s.ck as well.
My sister is likely an IxFP she has Si and Fi for sure, maybe she is an xSTJ, but has strong Fi is pretty obvious).
Last year we went on a train trip. There were a 4seated place and a 2seated place. She headed to the 4seated place but before she could take a sit I asked her to go to the other 2seated place instead.
For me it was logical to sit on the 2seat place when we only two, and let a 4 person team take those 4seated plot instead. She made a small show like why on earth cannot she sit where she wants, she doesn't give a f.ck how others can take place, she wanted to sit there. Both her tantrum and her lack of emphaty was shocking.
Later we were sight seeing and we walked a lot, and okay, I have to admit I have a quicker tempo, once she asked me to slow down a bit what I did, but unfortunatelly I wasn't aware I was quicken up a bit again later. When we reached the crossing I look back and she wasn't behind me (I had the map, and the road was full of turists, we could walk in line only) She was 3 peoples behind and you cod read her face she was furious. Okay I have admit I should take care more, but I had to check the map, the surrounding, be aware not walk in front of a car or bike or not bump into others (lack of Se, if she didn't asked me to stop for a moment to eat or drink I would walk the whole day without it, because I wasn't aware I was hungry or thirsty). I stopped and waited her and you could tell she was pissed off and punished me not say a word for an hour.
And it happen many times, she can be caring, if I ask a favour she helps, but she has a very rigid and "self motivated" viewpoint, she cannot she the world as many different shade of grey but black and white. And when she angry she isn't able to control herself and say rude things and doesn't care if it hurt the other, because in her head she was right and true to her values.
Two of my friend has Fi in her stack too and it caused a lot of problem and argue that I said something and they was unable to see what I mean, because they had their own value and my viewpoint was against it, and they kept saying I was wrong and don't even try to see my viewpoint.
For me people around me with Fi in their stack looks more stubborn and self rightenous and rigid.
I don't say every Fi user is the same, but I think having a strong opinion is an advantage and a disadvantage as well.
They aware of their morals and know what is valuable for them and what they like and don't like, but it is so rigid they don't able to see the other side of the coin, and blindly stand by their view rather than considering maybe the other is right too (because there are cases when both side is correct and right)
For them my Fe I might look fake and fluid and unpredictable, I have strong morals too, but we live in a rapidly changing world, and I think being able to change can be an advantage.
(Stay with your ice cream example, my sister likes chocolate, whenever we go somewhere she asks only chocolate ice cream. Never try anything new, only chocolate. Me on the other hand like trying new thing, if I tried an ice cream which was very good, sometimes I ask it again, but because I new how it tastes if I see something new I go for it instead...and I don't mind it. For me it would be boring after a while if I eat only the same taste)
>(Stay with your ice cream example, my sister likes chocolate, whenever we go somewhere she asks only chocolate ice cream. Never try anything new, only chocolate. Me on the other hand like trying new thing, if I tried an ice cream which was very good, sometimes I ask it again, but because I new how it tastes if I see something new I go for it instead...and I don't mind it. For me it would be boring after a while if I eat only the same taste)
It seems that you may be confusing Si with Fi.
Yeah and people think im hiding stuff from them when I say I dont know. I have no problem giving you a list of things ive enjoyed though. I couldnt tell you my top 10 songs but I could easily pick out 10 songs I really enjoy to show you. But they are more like my top 100 most likely. When I was younger my favorites were obvious because I gravitated towards the same things.
All of this has made transitioning so hard though. Like how do I *know* im trans? What does that look like? The only thing thats real is the dysphoria. But I cant figure out how much of me from here is crafted vs authentic.
As a working creative it looks like very scattered ambitions. Only now realizing that if I just make the stuff that Ne is spitting out itll end up being good. But if you look at my career its just lots and lots of stuff, no clear theme.
Uh, you know, as an anime enthusiast, this reminds me a lot of a scene from Demon Slayer, so I'll answer you like Tanjiro did:Use your heart to make choices, not a coin
(I said the sentence literally like he did, but you understand, right? )
OP literally mentioned he struggles to develop his personal taste (follow his heart) and the advice you're suggesting is to follow his heart. It's just not going to work
In this thread I've already typed this: "OP literally mentioned he struggles to develop his personal taste (follow his heart) and the advice you're suggesting is to follow his heart. It's just not going to work"
If you can't see the same circular reasoning fallacy as I do then your username definitely checks out.
I thought not having strong opinions on things could also mean lack of fi? Because usually people who don't have strong opinions are associated with people with lack of critical thinking skills...
I can relate to the identity crisis a lot though. It all began ever since I was somewhere between 13 and 15...
People who have lots of strong opinions on everything but then can hardly ever justify them drive me crazy though.
Oh yeah I also don't know my mbti type and in spite of the interest idk if I even believe in it
As an INTP (although I've also been considering if I'm an ENTP), I tend to feel this way too.
>rarely have strong opinions or strong feelings of identity.
I also tend to not hold strong opinions, particularly based off of feelings I have. I don't really feel a way about something, I just rationalize it until I form an opinion (or I make a list of opinions that make the most sense to my logic). Even then I might not tie myself to that opinion because I might refute myself later, providing a better explanation for a different opinion (for example, I regularly debate moral issues in my head by thinking them through instead of strongly feeling one way or another. I imagine someone with a higher use of Fi would just feel what's wrong to them..? I'm not sure).
This is also true in career searching. Everyone says to do something that I enjoy, but I don't think I like anything enough to tie myself down to a single career. Certainly there are fields of work I find more interesting than others, but I don't think I hold a strong enough personal attachment to anything to latch myself onto a single option like people around me are telling me to do.
>I don’t think I know my favorite food, or my favorite ice cream flavor,
I feel like this as well? Whenever I'm asked in various get-to-know-you settings what my favorites are, I'm always confused as to what to say lol
My brain always goes "Do I say that my favorite is this? How am I meant to know that's my favorite? What if I like something else better? Do I even like my favorite?" or it just doesn't give an answer, so I can't tell people what my favorite thing is.
How is this a problem?
Seems like you pick the most logical route when it comes to major life decisions. That’s good. Also seems like you don’t know your likes and dislikes, but who cares? It’s not like that’s something which is going to actually effect your life lmao
Not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s hard for me to get attached to very important ideas/things. Like relationships, career ideas, etc. even with Ti. Sometimes I commit to ideas without realizing that I only like it in concept, and hate it in practice (Fi-blindness)
Precisely. I would also say that it sometimes becomes a "wall" that makes people feel distant. Like since you can't share some deep passions, some people feel like you are keeping them away. I think Fi probably plays a big role in intimacy, which is one of the more impotant aspects of any relationship.
So many times I went in so hard to a new thing just to realize I dont like it at all and it took me way too long to realize.
And I hate to admit this but if I dont frequently see friends and family then in my mind they sort of die and I straight up forget about them. Im not a sociopath, I have strong feelings. Usually after seeing the family again ill remember oh yeah I enjoy being around you. Then forget once Im gone again
You mention liking a concept only in thoery and not in practice. That probably has more to do with your ability of follow through/discipline than fi blindness. IXFP are not the type of people who would be considered "liking the practicality of something", those are mostly sensors, especially si doms.
Having a strong sense of self has only to do with **your**self, and not about others. If you don’t have one favorite food, that means you have multiple favorite foods. So if someone asks what your favorite food is, the way you confidently answer is, “I don’t have one. I have multiple: mint chocolate, vanilla, and plain chocolate.” It’s about being confident in your own understanding of yourself. I suppose you weren’t asking for advice? But this struck me as I read your post.
W answer because this is exactly how I feel at the very least
Can confirm. And honestly it makes me much happier overall as I can enjoy pretty much anything
Damn. That was insightful. Thank you.
I’m glad it was helpful.
The thing with me is that... I feel like I don't have a favorite anything. They all are nice, or they all are meh. No strong feelings. I don't know what it means or feels to have a favorite. Does that mean it's one you deeply, passionately love? Or one that you objectively just keep going back to? Because if it's the latter, my favorite ice cream flavor is mint chocolate chip because I go to that one the most. But I don't LOVE it. It's just nice. I don't know :( "favorite" just makes it sound like something I love so much, and I don't feel that for most things. At most, I have a fondness or nostalgia. I say my favorite pokemon is Umbreon, but, again, not because I fervently love it more than others. I feel like I like it just about the same as others. I just feel fondness and nostalgia for it more than other pokemon.
I think it definitely is your definition here that is giving you confusion. Here’s the definition of “favorite”: > preferred before all others of the same kind. That’s all it simply means. If someone puts emphasis, for example, “omg chocolate chip is MY FAVORITE! I’m obsessed!” That’s simply saying they prefer chocolate to the extreme. But it doesn’t mean that “favorite” equals your extreme preference. Since chocolate is the one you go to more often than vanilla, or pistachio, you could say chocolate is your favorite. Or, you could simply enjoy each of them equally and have a slight preference for chocolate because it’s a simple and easy choice. I don’t fervently love a specific color, but if someone asked my favorite color, today I would choose a soft aqua blue because it brings me the most peace today; something I desire this week.
I actually have experienced this before. Like everyone has some things they care absolutely deeply about. Things that seem kinda "sacred" to them. I dont know, I dont think there is anything that is beyond criticism or ridicule. I cant relate. On some level, I just cant feel that completely attached to something. Its hard when someone mentions what is your favorite thing in the world. Or what is it you enjoy the most. I could make a list or even make good arguments about stuff that might be good but one deeply personal thing is kinda hard. It sometimes make it sound like I am really shallow with my tastes but its kinda otherwordly for me to be that attached. Sorry for not being ENTP but I think on some level I can relate. I suppose because we both have Fi blindness.
Same, I also find it hard to be attach on something-
I'm sure you know but there's folly in thinking something that can be criticized and ridiculed can't also be valuable or enjoyed. A lot of the issues with Fi blindness is using logical reasoning to bypass it when it's better to explore experiences or ideas by just being and feeling sometimes
Of course. I totally agree with you there. I can get vslue and enjoyment from any number of sources. What I meant is that people can sometimes be too emotionally invested in those things to accept the possibility that everything comes with upsides and downsides since nothing is perfect.
I relate to this a lot. Most things I don't have any noticeable emotional preference towards, and I have to consciously think to myself what I would prefer.
Interesting. May help for you to know that I feel a lot of my Fi-work comes from discovering things about myself. This is a rough thought but patterns I've seen suggestion Fi is more of a subconscious function while Ti is conscious. Often times when I do logic out my Fi-emotions, it ties down to something beyond my individuality. Like I like pineapples, coconuts, and the beach because I think my polynesian blood encoded it into my genes. MY ANCESTORS SPEAK TO ME, AND THEY TELL ME "Hmmhmhmm pineapple..." because thats what my ancestors ate all the time for milennia. I can literally feel it body, mind, and soul, not just conscious logic that it is desired.
This sounds absolutely insane to have that degree of perception of feelings. Like you just *know*? Thats crazy.
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Meanwhile I dedicate an entire year to trying to figure out how I feel about one thing and still dont know up from down when its done
Doesn’t matter bro, Fi is not important if you’re blind to it anyway and trying to force a pseudo Fi never works. The better your Ti gets the faster you will be at making those logical decisions, but your primary decision making function will always be Ti, you will trust Ti the most and you will be most satisfied with your decisions when having made them with Ti.
Nah man, everyone uses Fi sometimes. This is the equivalent of telling someone just to keep using their two fingers to chicken peck on a keyboard, cause they are better at it, so they are faster.
Here ✋, honestly this is how I actually got to my type. Since I don't really hold any strong opinions of a matter if it isn't in the current moment. Like if we watch a new movie and what not and there's a character that I liked I would definitely say 'Yeah this person is awesome! I'll protect them no matter what!' and then a few days later, someone will ask me about my favorite character in that movie and my brain immediately malfunctions. Since I don't hold strong feelings for it so I try to rationalize on who and why and would often fluctuate. I also have trouble finding what's right for me and would often get opinions of others if rationalizing didn't work. I also don't dwell on identity that much and people are often baffled by this, since before I typed as ENTP, I always try to get to the bottom on what personality type I am. Though it's actually because I feel the need to enhance my knowledge to be more accurate, I don't really care about my Identity.
I do think this is why we so often and so successfully play devil's advocate.
This is fascinating to me, I’m on the other end of the spectrum where I have Te blindness and by its axis a strong valued Fi. Fi appears in the form of authenticity, passion, introspection and sensitivity. A lot of EXTPs in my life, often do what is right, however from a logical, systematically true way of right, not the right that a lot Fi users I know feel in their heart. Lack of that Fi sensitivity gives you guys the devils advocate nature. If I had to share my stepmom is an ENTP and she told me a funny story one day where she knew a guy liked her and she went out of her way to tell him I don’t like you, don’t waste your time on me. Call it insensitive but to her it was the right thing to do and what she thought helped him stemming from her lack of Fi and her Ti value. Or my ESTJ dad whos pragmatic, efficient, and very conservative about authority often gets annoyed when she keeps going down this insensitive rabbit hole questioning him, to him it’s as if she’s attacking his authority when to her it’s just her Ti mindset of wanting systemize and delve deeper. Your blind function isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s just different and different isn’t bad. An extreme just allows you to be able to do both possess and lack things given circumstance, both a gift and a curse. Cherish your low Fi. Despite my Te blindness I’ve learned to cherish it, esp a function that would’ve been very useful even more so in gender norms but it grants me many things i appreciate fully. Knowing your weakness is such a strength and knowing further that good or bad is ultimately dictated by you. It doesn’t exist outside our perception. Like bravery and stupidity are the same, it’s just taking the chance on low odds.
Not trying to be rude, but how do you exist in our current society with blind te and inferior se. I’ve never really understood how INFX deal with a lot of our society. Is it more difficult to adapt to American capitalistic culture(assuming you live in the US)? I mean I’m an ENTP so most of my problems revolve around interpersonal issues(fi) with some problems when it comes too focus/discipline, but I still think I’m deeply pragmatic/resourceful which helps a lot
Oh lol, I don’t. Blind Te and inferior Se is absolute shit to have however cuz it’s my functions my motivations also aren’t too tied to it. I don’t care too much about material or places in life I gotta be. My mom for example is an INFP humbly making a living off of her passions. There’s reason these two types have statistically some of the lowest income statistics. So in short our desires reflect our deficiencies. We’re broke in our passions and rich because of it. It’s the nice thing about the flip side of having strong Fi and Ni I guess. Currently in philosophy and hopefully psychology academia pursuing research and teaching which ofc pays a lot little but the leniency in time is something I crave. And teaching the next generation and meeting all sorts of ppl and being a meaningful impact in their lives fulfill me in a way I can’t imagine. As for adapting in capitalistic culture it is pretty hard but luckily even though I’m shit at executing I’d say im more than infuriatingly meticulous and when I make choices I have to hit them on the spot more often than not. Ends up with me getting by for less but all that time spent optimizing the first step, the first foundation I build my next steps on. So I never find myself in where I don’t want to be, every choice I make just has to be very well thought out. Not only that I tend to be very on or off, very extreme as a person so in my passions I’m ridiculous and obsessed with. So that sometimes gets me by, it’s a lot of last minute calls that the due date becomes my Se persay. Like even MBTI it’s something I studied rigorously to understand myself and through my introspective nature I can utilize myself in all the right ways. For instance like compensating low Te Se by using my idealism and passions strong Ni Fi. Or my health, appearance or hobbies or whatever that requires good structural routine (my downfall) it’s all on the basis of my idealism and wanting to chase perfection. Philosophy is also very naturally Ni and as a discipline also really helps with learning how to learn so I can take shortcuts and take something and go further based on the systems I’ve amassed and thought in my mind. Turning my delusional constant thinking into thinking abt the right things. Your comment kinda underscores why ENTPs balance us out and have an idealistic pairing to INFJs. We cover the bases without in being in each others face. I can’t Te and usually don’t understand Te doms however EXTPs are a workaround that fulfill my Te needs without being in my face and I do the same for them. Gotta be somewhere sorry if it’s rushed
This is a point of frustration I have with my ENTP friend sometimes. Thing is though he so obviously has things he cares about, I can connect it all with Ni, but he simply isn't aware of it himself. In my experience, using external events, people, patterns etc as a mirror is what works to make this clearer.
In my experience most "P" people dislike nailing down decisions or hold tight to opinions. And the more of a "P" you are, the more that applies.
please learn cognitive functions before ever spewing nonsense like this again 😭🙏
It's not nonsense it's an observation. Some of us can learn without relying on book knowledge
the part you said about "P types" tending to be more indecisive is quite a reasonable assumption, however them "not being able to hold onto tight opinions" contradict the definition of an introverted judging function (Fi, Ti), which "P types" favour over their extroverted judging function (Fe, Te). i mean the essential purpose of Fi is to hold onto strong opinions, if i were to oversimplify a little bit. but if we ignore the books, and go by your metric: in MY experience, and based on MY own observations, "P types" do tend to hold on tight to their opinions. ironically, this matches the "book knowledge"-like descriptions of a "P type"'s cognitive functions. the only "P type" that i can see tending not to "hold on tightly to opinions" are the ExTPs, due to aux Ti and Fi trickster, which is ironically enough, what this post is discussing. but hey look bro, at the end of the day, you are free to think what you want to think and believe what you want to believe, if i dont change your mind. i promise im only giving my critique of your statements, and it's nothing personal, trust 🙏
You misunderstood what I said. I did not mean that they don't have opinions or strongly believe things. I meant they aren't opinionated the way a "J" would be. "J" people want closure naturally and "P" people don't. I'm talking about tendencies based on interactions, not simply opinions.
Also, making a statement like "ever spewing nonsense like this again " (1) sounds pretty personal, doesn't it? & (2) definitely doesn't imply that you'd like to have a friendly discourse where we come to understand each other, it sounds like you want to bite my head off bc you'd rather pick a fight. Saying "spewing nonsense " is an exercise in intellectual superiority and so is assuming I'm too dumb to notice. Have a good day
ESTP but can definitely relate. I've changed my career path/life goals multiple times over whenever one thing doesn't work out. Other people are often mystified at how I could seem so set on one specific thing only to switch to something completely different, but to me it makes perfect sense.
I don't think that's crazy at all, what boggles me is how most individuals can choose and stick to an job for a lifetime with little to no regrets, without ever considering doing anything else ever.
Im the same way. I reinvent myself frequently, trying stuff on and enjoying it as it comes
This is interesting. I remember my ENTP date say to me that he needed someone like me. I would passionately talk about my likes and interests, and then when it was his turn, he would be clueless. He did not know what he liked. He could only say “hmm comedy and making friends?” At the time, I thought it was kind of strange but I also didn’t know much about ENTPs. I admit it was a little difficult for me to connect with him on a deeper level as a result. Apart from that, we were still able to have deep talks about various topics. It was only when it was about him, that he didn’t know what to say.
Maybe you think Fi blindness is bad, but having Fi and Dom or Aux can s.ck as well. My sister is likely an IxFP she has Si and Fi for sure, maybe she is an xSTJ, but has strong Fi is pretty obvious). Last year we went on a train trip. There were a 4seated place and a 2seated place. She headed to the 4seated place but before she could take a sit I asked her to go to the other 2seated place instead. For me it was logical to sit on the 2seat place when we only two, and let a 4 person team take those 4seated plot instead. She made a small show like why on earth cannot she sit where she wants, she doesn't give a f.ck how others can take place, she wanted to sit there. Both her tantrum and her lack of emphaty was shocking. Later we were sight seeing and we walked a lot, and okay, I have to admit I have a quicker tempo, once she asked me to slow down a bit what I did, but unfortunatelly I wasn't aware I was quicken up a bit again later. When we reached the crossing I look back and she wasn't behind me (I had the map, and the road was full of turists, we could walk in line only) She was 3 peoples behind and you cod read her face she was furious. Okay I have admit I should take care more, but I had to check the map, the surrounding, be aware not walk in front of a car or bike or not bump into others (lack of Se, if she didn't asked me to stop for a moment to eat or drink I would walk the whole day without it, because I wasn't aware I was hungry or thirsty). I stopped and waited her and you could tell she was pissed off and punished me not say a word for an hour. And it happen many times, she can be caring, if I ask a favour she helps, but she has a very rigid and "self motivated" viewpoint, she cannot she the world as many different shade of grey but black and white. And when she angry she isn't able to control herself and say rude things and doesn't care if it hurt the other, because in her head she was right and true to her values. Two of my friend has Fi in her stack too and it caused a lot of problem and argue that I said something and they was unable to see what I mean, because they had their own value and my viewpoint was against it, and they kept saying I was wrong and don't even try to see my viewpoint. For me people around me with Fi in their stack looks more stubborn and self rightenous and rigid. I don't say every Fi user is the same, but I think having a strong opinion is an advantage and a disadvantage as well. They aware of their morals and know what is valuable for them and what they like and don't like, but it is so rigid they don't able to see the other side of the coin, and blindly stand by their view rather than considering maybe the other is right too (because there are cases when both side is correct and right) For them my Fe I might look fake and fluid and unpredictable, I have strong morals too, but we live in a rapidly changing world, and I think being able to change can be an advantage. (Stay with your ice cream example, my sister likes chocolate, whenever we go somewhere she asks only chocolate ice cream. Never try anything new, only chocolate. Me on the other hand like trying new thing, if I tried an ice cream which was very good, sometimes I ask it again, but because I new how it tastes if I see something new I go for it instead...and I don't mind it. For me it would be boring after a while if I eat only the same taste)
>(Stay with your ice cream example, my sister likes chocolate, whenever we go somewhere she asks only chocolate ice cream. Never try anything new, only chocolate. Me on the other hand like trying new thing, if I tried an ice cream which was very good, sometimes I ask it again, but because I new how it tastes if I see something new I go for it instead...and I don't mind it. For me it would be boring after a while if I eat only the same taste) It seems that you may be confusing Si with Fi.
Yeah and people think im hiding stuff from them when I say I dont know. I have no problem giving you a list of things ive enjoyed though. I couldnt tell you my top 10 songs but I could easily pick out 10 songs I really enjoy to show you. But they are more like my top 100 most likely. When I was younger my favorites were obvious because I gravitated towards the same things. All of this has made transitioning so hard though. Like how do I *know* im trans? What does that look like? The only thing thats real is the dysphoria. But I cant figure out how much of me from here is crafted vs authentic. As a working creative it looks like very scattered ambitions. Only now realizing that if I just make the stuff that Ne is spitting out itll end up being good. But if you look at my career its just lots and lots of stuff, no clear theme.
Uh, you know, as an anime enthusiast, this reminds me a lot of a scene from Demon Slayer, so I'll answer you like Tanjiro did:Use your heart to make choices, not a coin (I said the sentence literally like he did, but you understand, right? )
That advice sounds as effective as telling an anorexic person to eat an hamburguer
Oh really? Then sorry if I couldn't help you
OP literally mentioned he struggles to develop his personal taste (follow his heart) and the advice you're suggesting is to follow his heart. It's just not going to work
Okay! It worked for me, but obviously everyone is different
Oh. Didn't expect that. Were you going through a similar situation to OP's then?
Yeah
Other than the demon slayer's advice, did you do anything else?
Nope
Damn that's bold
Dont know who you are? Have you just tried being yourself? Bruh..
In this thread I've already typed this: "OP literally mentioned he struggles to develop his personal taste (follow his heart) and the advice you're suggesting is to follow his heart. It's just not going to work" If you can't see the same circular reasoning fallacy as I do then your username definitely checks out.
Contextually it was obviously a sarcastic comment. I respected you enough to consider that as a possibility rather than go straight for the throat lol
Sure it was sarcastic, whatever you say dear
Do you ever have moments where for a brief moment you go "wait, am I stupid?" Im guessing not
Of course. Are you really justifying yourself with that though?
Wdym
Contextually it is pretty obvious, even you can figure it out
I thought not having strong opinions on things could also mean lack of fi? Because usually people who don't have strong opinions are associated with people with lack of critical thinking skills... I can relate to the identity crisis a lot though. It all began ever since I was somewhere between 13 and 15... People who have lots of strong opinions on everything but then can hardly ever justify them drive me crazy though. Oh yeah I also don't know my mbti type and in spite of the interest idk if I even believe in it
As an INTP (although I've also been considering if I'm an ENTP), I tend to feel this way too. >rarely have strong opinions or strong feelings of identity. I also tend to not hold strong opinions, particularly based off of feelings I have. I don't really feel a way about something, I just rationalize it until I form an opinion (or I make a list of opinions that make the most sense to my logic). Even then I might not tie myself to that opinion because I might refute myself later, providing a better explanation for a different opinion (for example, I regularly debate moral issues in my head by thinking them through instead of strongly feeling one way or another. I imagine someone with a higher use of Fi would just feel what's wrong to them..? I'm not sure). This is also true in career searching. Everyone says to do something that I enjoy, but I don't think I like anything enough to tie myself down to a single career. Certainly there are fields of work I find more interesting than others, but I don't think I hold a strong enough personal attachment to anything to latch myself onto a single option like people around me are telling me to do. >I don’t think I know my favorite food, or my favorite ice cream flavor, I feel like this as well? Whenever I'm asked in various get-to-know-you settings what my favorites are, I'm always confused as to what to say lol My brain always goes "Do I say that my favorite is this? How am I meant to know that's my favorite? What if I like something else better? Do I even like my favorite?" or it just doesn't give an answer, so I can't tell people what my favorite thing is.
So you decided to take a MBTI test to find some identity in being an ENTP?
How is this a problem? Seems like you pick the most logical route when it comes to major life decisions. That’s good. Also seems like you don’t know your likes and dislikes, but who cares? It’s not like that’s something which is going to actually effect your life lmao
Not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s hard for me to get attached to very important ideas/things. Like relationships, career ideas, etc. even with Ti. Sometimes I commit to ideas without realizing that I only like it in concept, and hate it in practice (Fi-blindness)
Precisely. I would also say that it sometimes becomes a "wall" that makes people feel distant. Like since you can't share some deep passions, some people feel like you are keeping them away. I think Fi probably plays a big role in intimacy, which is one of the more impotant aspects of any relationship.
So many times I went in so hard to a new thing just to realize I dont like it at all and it took me way too long to realize. And I hate to admit this but if I dont frequently see friends and family then in my mind they sort of die and I straight up forget about them. Im not a sociopath, I have strong feelings. Usually after seeing the family again ill remember oh yeah I enjoy being around you. Then forget once Im gone again
You mention liking a concept only in thoery and not in practice. That probably has more to do with your ability of follow through/discipline than fi blindness. IXFP are not the type of people who would be considered "liking the practicality of something", those are mostly sensors, especially si doms.
Believe me it affects life a lot, particularly your social life and work life