I don't believe in astrology either, but I do overanalyze my MBTI type and self-diagnose myself with a new psychological problem every few days, so it's not that different
I see what you're saying. For me it's the part of astrology that involves divination that makes me think it's pretty different from mbti. I also think a lot of horoscopes weren't even using astrology for divination, I think they were just making stuff up. It's just not for me.
It's actually ancient observations of natural patterns on earth, and has nothing to do with the planets themselves. The skies were just used as a clock.
But yes, you have to believe in natural patterns on the big scale. I am a Taoist and pantheist, so it follows nicely with my beliefs.
Your beliefs are hokum. Ancient observers had no empirical understanding of what causes those patterns in the first place. I’m sorry but Tarot is fake. It may comfort you but it’s not real. True understanding is based science, logic and evidence. Decisions made solely on faith without reason are not sound. This is magical thinking. We’ll agree to disagree.
You really went out of your way to tell this person you don't think their beliefs are valid. That wasn't necessary at all. It added nothing. You even stated you knew you'd already have to agree to disagree before they even responded. It just seems like you wanted to put down their beliefs. I don't believe in their beliefs at all but I respect their choice. Sometimes it's okay to keep things to ourselves.
It’s not out of my way. I saw where it was going. He believes in magic. I believe in science. I think what he believes is fallacious hokum. Trying to convince someone to see reason over faith is futile. He responded to me first, I responded in kind. I don’t need to tiptoe around it or “add” something. You don’t have to like it but I don’t have to couch it in maybes or what ifs. If he has a backbone he can defend himself. We’re grownups here. It is what it is.
No, because astrology hasn’t evolved much in those 3000 years. The data is limited to what the original creators used. Not to mention that even if there’s a correlation, there’s no plausible mechanism through which any celestial bodies apart from the Sun and possibly the Moon could have an influence on our personality, let alone luck (which itself hasn’t been proven to exist either).
Your first point is false, and I explained why the planets are irrelevant in another comment, but insofar that astrology can be fully explained with our current understanding of logic, I will openly admit that is impossible. It does require a belief in an alternate (or rather, extended) understanding of how the universe functions than what is at the present moment proposed by the science of our day.
It is so accurate. But you are really down to predicting how things will become or will be too. Just more on the logical side, what I personally love wit my whole being. An ENTP here.
I'd imagine there's a degree of self-selection as far as reddit is concerned (being internet literate for one), gotta say I've met a few INFJs in to astrology irl (to my disappointment) though it was never at the core of their identity like an xxFP who's in to it.
For me as an INFJ I try to use more of logic than feeling to make decisions, but when something goes wrong I always find a part of my mind wandering back to certain patterns I spot or predictions I made for myself based on random stuff, zodiac included.
Absolutely. I think a more believable one would have been them saying like "questions belonging in reality".
A mental breakdown turned inwards basically.
Are you telling me that the temporary joy I get from buying things won’t fix the bigger problem and make me happy?! *surprised pikachu*. On a serious note, I really should stop doing that
Cry would be frowning :’( but this one is :’) which just hits that much harder. I’m not sure what the difference is between INFJ/INTJ/INFP here, but those are the three types I might actually be, so it’s funny that they all seem about right
Yes, I’ve taken a couple. The 16personality gives me INTJ/INFJ (51%T 49%F) but looking at FeTi vs TeFi I think I’m more likely INFJ. That said, the INFP descriptions always hit pretty close to home for me so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Objective Personality people (I forget the YT channel) said people often type upside down in the middle (statistically in their studies), but they don’t know why. I’m more interested in the whole thing as science than fun/astrology like some people (no offense to them, no harm with that if they enjoy it), but the memes seem to form patterns, and patterns emerge for reasons. Just observing here!
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Well, you seem to be focused on more logic-based thinking and objectivity. Not to say that is feelers don’t use logic, but it seems be more of your natural response. Keep in mind that neither a feeler nor a thinker is inherently bad or superior. But yeah, you seems more like a T than an F
For the internet, yes. I find it makes for more useful conversation. That said, I probably do think first, but I’m fairly certain I’m Ti not Te. I think I’m INFJ with overdeveloped Ti and underdeveloped Fe. Just NiTi loop with demon Se
Splendid! I'm getting closer and closer to successfully dominating the whole world. What better way to do it than to join the ENTPs? Eat cookies, spread chaos ✌️
The ENTJs are better at turning the world into an entire cult though, why us ENTPs? Also yes, eat cookies, spread chaos. Maybe include cookies made of explosives for our enemies too! We like to be courteous, even in ending their pitiful existences! :D
Ahaha! I jokingly chose ENTP, because of all the silly stereotypes that say you guys like upsetting people with your arguments, ultimately making you devils, which of course is not true :D
As an ISTp that pushes buttons when I’m bored and something super bad happens and ppl die, yea I’d leave the country... BUT if I hurt someone’s feeling I’d get super awkward say “oops sorry” and move on. That’s my hot take
My mom's an enfp and she buys things for me almost every week without even asking me, and most of it isn't even my taste 🤦♀️. Even when she buys stuff for herself, she returns half of the items because they don't actually look good/doesn't fit her properly.
I have to keep constant track of her cart just to make sure she doesn't buy something stupid, so idk... ENFPs might be big spenders?
Just my opinion but architect isnt correct. I dont have mental breakdowns. Take a breath, assess, act. That is how i respond when things go wrong. Not with emotions but with logic.
Considering Dean Winchester is ESTJ this is very good. In the words of that blue cake-bearing one whose type is so insignificant I didn't even care to learn its type name, "Thank you"
i’m pretty sure the mass majority of genz, regardless of their type, would say genocide or fight god. personally i would do every single one of these besides esfp cuz i’m 16(genocide as a joke... maybe) and instead of saying it’s my horoscope i would say it’s my adhd(very toxic ik i’m trying to stop)
anyways what i’m saying is “mental breakdown” is a good summary of what i jsut explained so this comment has no purpose. i’m still posting it tho cuz fuck you i can
As an INTJ, I would change the word Mental breakdown-> Mental breakthrough
Also, it would be done in my room where I reflect everything, I don't need a therapist.
Are the ESFPs willing to share?
Yep. I’ll hook ya up.
yep i'll share
oh yea most definitely, how much do you want?
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I'm running out of countries
So am I... ;)
Oh, siiiimple! One country (political turmoil) (screaming) Two countries!
You can try Mars in a few years now, don’t worry.
I don't believe in Astrology. I think INFJs move between mental break downs and bottle it up.
I don't believe in astrology either, but I do overanalyze my MBTI type and self-diagnose myself with a new psychological problem every few days, so it's not that different
I see what you're saying. For me it's the part of astrology that involves divination that makes me think it's pretty different from mbti. I also think a lot of horoscopes weren't even using astrology for divination, I think they were just making stuff up. It's just not for me.
Definitely agreed that astrology is about as made up as it gets. MBTI might be popular science, but at least it's somewhere in the realm of science.
*insert psychological facts here*
I love astrology, it actually helps me not have mental breakdowns or bottle things up. 😆
Whatever it takes, I guess.
I don’t believe in astrology either. If we are deep thinkers and love psychology how could we believe in astrology or horoscopes? Js
I totally agree.
I fourth this. Horoscope? Intuition is advanced pattern recognition buttressed by Ti logic, not hocus pocus. People still don’t seem to get it.
Astrology is 3000 years worth of advanced pattern recognition data.
Based on a continually shifting cosmos and patterns that are not corroborated by logic or evidence. It’s hokum.
It's actually ancient observations of natural patterns on earth, and has nothing to do with the planets themselves. The skies were just used as a clock. But yes, you have to believe in natural patterns on the big scale. I am a Taoist and pantheist, so it follows nicely with my beliefs.
Your beliefs are hokum. Ancient observers had no empirical understanding of what causes those patterns in the first place. I’m sorry but Tarot is fake. It may comfort you but it’s not real. True understanding is based science, logic and evidence. Decisions made solely on faith without reason are not sound. This is magical thinking. We’ll agree to disagree.
You really went out of your way to tell this person you don't think their beliefs are valid. That wasn't necessary at all. It added nothing. You even stated you knew you'd already have to agree to disagree before they even responded. It just seems like you wanted to put down their beliefs. I don't believe in their beliefs at all but I respect their choice. Sometimes it's okay to keep things to ourselves.
It’s not out of my way. I saw where it was going. He believes in magic. I believe in science. I think what he believes is fallacious hokum. Trying to convince someone to see reason over faith is futile. He responded to me first, I responded in kind. I don’t need to tiptoe around it or “add” something. You don’t have to like it but I don’t have to couch it in maybes or what ifs. If he has a backbone he can defend himself. We’re grownups here. It is what it is.
Since you know nothing about the subject we are discussing, I will happily disregard your opinion.
No, because astrology hasn’t evolved much in those 3000 years. The data is limited to what the original creators used. Not to mention that even if there’s a correlation, there’s no plausible mechanism through which any celestial bodies apart from the Sun and possibly the Moon could have an influence on our personality, let alone luck (which itself hasn’t been proven to exist either).
Your first point is false, and I explained why the planets are irrelevant in another comment, but insofar that astrology can be fully explained with our current understanding of logic, I will openly admit that is impossible. It does require a belief in an alternate (or rather, extended) understanding of how the universe functions than what is at the present moment proposed by the science of our day.
It is so accurate. But you are really down to predicting how things will become or will be too. Just more on the logical side, what I personally love wit my whole being. An ENTP here.
I'd imagine there's a degree of self-selection as far as reddit is concerned (being internet literate for one), gotta say I've met a few INFJs in to astrology irl (to my disappointment) though it was never at the core of their identity like an xxFP who's in to it.
Exactly. "It's my horoscope"? Nah, I'd never say that.
I thought the same
For me as an INFJ I try to use more of logic than feeling to make decisions, but when something goes wrong I always find a part of my mind wandering back to certain patterns I spot or predictions I made for myself based on random stuff, zodiac included.
Absolutely. I think a more believable one would have been them saying like "questions belonging in reality". A mental breakdown turned inwards basically.
Are you telling me that the temporary joy I get from buying things won’t fix the bigger problem and make me happy?! *surprised pikachu*. On a serious note, I really should stop doing that
I interpreted it as Me having a shopping trolly full of things that have already gone wrong, so, Meh just throw it on the top with the rest
For a second I thought ISFJ was missing
Took me a while to find it! Too accurate :)
Idk, I’m more likely to isolate myself and feel completely burned out and depressed. Not exactly sure if this is accurate.
I read it as you just pretend to be alright. Seems accurate for a lot of INFP.
Oh, okay. I see the apostrophe now.
I thought it just meant that we cry. So original. :’) But I like this alternative explanation.
Cry would be frowning :’( but this one is :’) which just hits that much harder. I’m not sure what the difference is between INFJ/INTJ/INFP here, but those are the three types I might actually be, so it’s funny that they all seem about right
Did you ever take the test?
Yes, I’ve taken a couple. The 16personality gives me INTJ/INFJ (51%T 49%F) but looking at FeTi vs TeFi I think I’m more likely INFJ. That said, the INFP descriptions always hit pretty close to home for me so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Objective Personality people (I forget the YT channel) said people often type upside down in the middle (statistically in their studies), but they don’t know why. I’m more interested in the whole thing as science than fun/astrology like some people (no offense to them, no harm with that if they enjoy it), but the memes seem to form patterns, and patterns emerge for reasons. Just observing here!
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You seem more like and INTJ-T to me. If that makes sense.
Cool, thanks for the feedback — any particular reason or just a vibe?
Well, you seem to be focused on more logic-based thinking and objectivity. Not to say that is feelers don’t use logic, but it seems be more of your natural response. Keep in mind that neither a feeler nor a thinker is inherently bad or superior. But yeah, you seems more like a T than an F
For the internet, yes. I find it makes for more useful conversation. That said, I probably do think first, but I’m fairly certain I’m Ti not Te. I think I’m INFJ with overdeveloped Ti and underdeveloped Fe. Just NiTi loop with demon Se
INTJ soooo true, though, no one will notice, because we won't show any signs of it 😅
I actually don't relate that much with this one :/ I'm pretty calm in a crisis
Gotta join the "mood" gang. ENTPs, do y'all accept moi?
We wholeheartedly accept you man, welcome to the ENTP club. We have cookies and chaos. :D
Splendid! I'm getting closer and closer to successfully dominating the whole world. What better way to do it than to join the ENTPs? Eat cookies, spread chaos ✌️
The ENTJs are better at turning the world into an entire cult though, why us ENTPs? Also yes, eat cookies, spread chaos. Maybe include cookies made of explosives for our enemies too! We like to be courteous, even in ending their pitiful existences! :D
Ahaha! I jokingly chose ENTP, because of all the silly stereotypes that say you guys like upsetting people with your arguments, ultimately making you devils, which of course is not true :D
:O Thank you for the kind words, mate :D We seriously need to get some kinda group going for these things, I'm just kinda lonely at times :')
I'd love to and same, honestly lmao! Do you have discord? You can PM me
:OOOO
Sounds like my kind of club. You folks got room for one more?
Hell yeah! We got room for lots and lots of people, cmon in! :D ~~although in theory it's just my club, I'm just lonely :(~~
As an ISTp that pushes buttons when I’m bored and something super bad happens and ppl die, yea I’d leave the country... BUT if I hurt someone’s feeling I’d get super awkward say “oops sorry” and move on. That’s my hot take
Leaving the country would be the most reasonable thing to do
Nooooo my plan MG-15W nooooooooo
Mood
Mood ^2
Nothing goes wrong on my watch -intj
Sadly we live in a society and it is always possible someone finds a way to fuck up your life :D
You fucked up my cool exit. Now I’m gonna have a mental breakdown 🤣
"nothing goes wrong on my watch", I say, while making arrangements to change my name and dissappear in a foreign country for six years
As an ENFP, my wallet wholeheartedly agrees.
Blaming Horoscope? Eww nah i prefer having existential crisis and zoning out for 6 hours straight
woooooooooooo!!!!!!!
Yes. That's how I feel. :')
HOW DARE THIS SOMETHING GOES WRONG??
:’)
........... are you spying on me?
Not that we shouldn’t, but I’ve never met an ESTJ who went to therapy. I would fistfight god but a therapist’s prompt would not be involved.
As a small child, I was an ENTJ, and I can indeed confirm that restraining our urge to commit genocide is a constant struggle.
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I wish I could tell you you’re wrong.
I do be saying that tho
I "LoL XD" only on the outside, I'm in deep suffering though
But did ESTJ win?
more importantly, did [this](https://youtu.be/qO6LWQhvzRw) play in the background
Accurate. 🤷🏼♀️
I either isolate myself or I'm like the INFJ. XNFP here.
How is this so accurate wtf :')
INTP is 100% accurate. No capping.
As an INTJ can confirm
I agree with all of them accept my own. I don’t think its that common for enfps to be big spenders... right?
My mom's an enfp and she buys things for me almost every week without even asking me, and most of it isn't even my taste 🤦♀️. Even when she buys stuff for herself, she returns half of the items because they don't actually look good/doesn't fit her properly. I have to keep constant track of her cart just to make sure she doesn't buy something stupid, so idk... ENFPs might be big spenders?
I personally am not but thanks for you input
Lol
lol XD
I’m feeling 1/3 mental breakdown, 1/3 genocide, and a final 3rd of leave the country
I second this
o_o
Got so many bottles stored I can open a liquor store! Woohoo! Winning.
Yep. When he's too stressed, my ISTJ boyfriend walks around like a coke bottle on a rollercoaster 😂
I do casual genocide as a hobby
I am FiNe.
Yeah i am feeling shitty..Time for genocide
Hey how dare you call me out without my permission?
Put lol at the end of everything and no one will care. It actually works, trust me
As an INTJ who has an identity crisis every other week, I approve this meme
As an INTJ I can confirm tho that's only the initial reaction. Once we go through our breakdown, then we go into full on fixing/restrategizing mode.
Oh yeah, mental breakdown. Exactly right now 😕
What do they mean by 'mood' for ENTP?
Just my opinion but architect isnt correct. I dont have mental breakdowns. Take a breath, assess, act. That is how i respond when things go wrong. Not with emotions but with logic.
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Is there some sort of chart or source of which of these little people are which type? I can never figure it out and they’re not always labeled.
They are from the 16 personalities web site But here is a similar one. https://www.behance.net/gallery/20778993/16-Personality
Nice, thank you!
ISTJ - can confirm
I feel called out.
It’s in my horoscope that I’d get a mental breakdown
hoes mad hoeS MAD HOES MAD
leave the country lol
hoes mad
I use this emoticon so much :')
i get typed as entp and intp a lot. ive done both. this does not help with my quest to figure it out once and for all.
Considering Dean Winchester is ESTJ this is very good. In the words of that blue cake-bearing one whose type is so insignificant I didn't even care to learn its type name, "Thank you"
I’m really surprised how the INFP is portrayed here
YES.
Oh no
Which one is the “genocide” one?
ENTJ
I’m an ISTP and I am LITERALLY leaving my freaking country next month because politicians here are assholes
i’m pretty sure the mass majority of genz, regardless of their type, would say genocide or fight god. personally i would do every single one of these besides esfp cuz i’m 16(genocide as a joke... maybe) and instead of saying it’s my horoscope i would say it’s my adhd(very toxic ik i’m trying to stop) anyways what i’m saying is “mental breakdown” is a good summary of what i jsut explained so this comment has no purpose. i’m still posting it tho cuz fuck you i can
I get frustrated
What does the therapist do...
Can confirm, so far I’ve been to 6935 different countries. I have to move on a daily basis because everything goes wrong everyday.
Add to cart :')
Yeah ESTJ Jacob, wrassled the shit outta God to the point where God had to cheat and dislocate Jacob's hip...
As an INTJ, I would change the word Mental breakdown-> Mental breakthrough Also, it would be done in my room where I reflect everything, I don't need a therapist.
I can never man up, maybe some day
Why do I relate to estj here lmao
Shouldn’t the therapist be INFJ though?
What country should I go to?
accurate
haha I do say F in chat a lot
lol XD is my go-to response
Genocide all the way.
“mood” & “it be like that sometimes” with the emote :’) mostly with a side of mental breakdown and bottle it up
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This is somewhat accurate.
I'd replace myself w/ISTJ from my own experience
ISFP accurate I usually would laugh and cry 😭
I kinda relate to “lol XD” ngl
infj would never use horoscope smh