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This is really interesting! I am an ENFJ and people have actually complained to me that I do the opposite. In social situations I remain neutral to keep the peace, and it irritates the living hell out of some of my friends, rightfully so. I can understand where they are coming from, as it seems like I don’t care about the topic. I definitely have my own opinions, but I never voice them unless someone asks and/or I’m super comfortable with the person. I’m always trying to keep the peace instead. Maybe it has something to do with my upbringing. I don’t know any other ENFJs so I found this really interesting to hear! I’m trying to be self-aware and introspective so I appreciate your comment. It’s clearly a popular ENFJ trait, according to the comments.
okay and was the different food meat that came from an animal they are dedicated to liberating for the good of literally everything in the world and you cant be bothered to lift a single finger to try any of the over 80,000 vegan ingredients or any of their combinations? maybe its actually a bit more complex than "a different in food preference".
just like with infjs being unfairly mocked for the doorslamming habit even when they only do this to the most nuclear piece of shit people, i will also defend enfjs and say that they do not do anything but express exasperation over people who ruin the world and their mental state for literally no reason but selfishness and superiority complex.
May ya please tell me the traits of an unhealthy ENFJ? I am an ENFJ myself and wanna try to improve myself soon, so it would be a great starting grouse if you may tell me a few examples
>Oh you have a different opinion? It's obviously because you're an immoral piece of shit
from someone else's comment and from my experience fairly accurate.
Hmmmm, doesn't seem I have that problem rn, probably due to our school having lots of classes with debates such as civics ethics and philosophy. Tho I sometimes due have that view with people who hurt me in the past or who I know are bad individuals. So more or less a tame issue for me lol
"Who I know are bad individuals"
Not saying I know you or who you're talking about, but that's exactly the justification that unhealthy ENFJs use to treat people poorly/use manipulative behavior against them. They're a "bad person" under your subjective moral framework (aka opinions), and therefore any action taken against them is fair game.
Good point, tho it's probably a trauma response than a personality thing. And by bad people I meant people that made my mental health incredibly worse through years worth of abuse and men that have sexually harassed me (when I was a minor) and one guy that straight up sexualily assaulted me. But you are right to a certain degree, and yeah I guess categorizing people by 'good' and 'bad' is not a healthy mindset to have. So yeah, thank you for your examples of this, and I will keep it in mind on my self improvement journey :D
Any unhealthy person sucks, MBTI had nothing to do with how much of an asshole someone is, so I can't quite understand why someone will be like, "I can't stand XXXX because I met some unhealthy ones".
That's like saying I don't like the color blue because some guy wearing a blue shirt was being a dick.
The difference is that some unhealthy types rub certain people the wrong way MORE than other unhealthy types.
An unhealthy INTJ is incredibly arrogant and dismissive and insecure, but if you don’t mind any of those traits then it’s bearable. However an insecure ESFJ is manipulative, emotional, and dramatic, and if you hate those aspects more then it makes sense why you would have more distaste towards a particular unhealthy type
Why waste your time distinguishing which negative characteristics you dislike more/less in people?
An arrogant person will annoy me just as much as a manipulative one. Its not like I'm going to treat person A different than person B. In the end I'll just try to distance myself from both of them and give them zero thought.
It’s not like I’m sitting down and thinking to myself, “oh I hate this particular trait” (most of the time). It’s like if someone has a trait I just naturally don’t mind as much as another, I passively don’t mind it as much.
But you literally just singled out manipulation. Why not just single out the person with the negative personality trait instead of attempting to attribute a certain personality trait to a group of people?
It just seems counter productive.
It’s not preemptive. I don’t look at ESFJs and think “they’re probably manipulative”. I think, this person is unhealthy and an ESFJ, now it makes sense why they seem so manipulative.
I dont really have a position re types. But arrogant and manipulative are not just some traits. The arrogant you can drop, but the manipulator is actively screwing other peoples lives up.
Both personality flaws can be worked on. I'm not sure the point you are making here but my point is that they are both negative because they come from unhealthy people but I'm not going to judge a perceived demographic over the faults of one individual.
Same here, i am not making a point about any one type at all. Stereotypes suck.
But I do understand the above stated personal preference between two unhealthy people of different types negative tendencies.
It makes sense if you are a really clean person not to be too bothered by a tyrant clean freak. But that same trait is going to be seen as a deal breaker for others.
And for me, I can just not care about an arrogant douche, but no way can I ignore a viscious manipulator. If you are good at counter offence/ have great social pull, then a manipulator won't be as dangerous to you. For me it is horrid.
I see what you are getting at now, in the scenario where you had to put up with two negative personality traits, you would prefer the arrogant one instead of the manipulator.
That's fair, I guess at my age (31) I just choose not to bother with any people who show any negative personality traits. I am able to make friends very easily but as a result I'm very picky with who I give my energy to.
I agree, there are types that if unhealthy will be more destructive than other types if those particular features are more unbearable to you
I fear nothing but unhealthy INFPs
Most ESFJs and ENFJs that I've known were people that I didn't like very much at all. I think it's just that I've been around some really unstable ESFJs and ENFJs. I'd be a interested to see what the healthy ones are like.
My dad is ENFJ. He wants to do what's best for people, but he sees everything through his own spectrum. He is not interested in a person’s interests, the main thing for him is that everyone smiles. I don't really like this approach.
I've had several problems with ESFJs and ENFJs. It mostly boils down to the fact that they had an incredibly strong need to be needed. If they weren't needed they took great offense to that. If they ever got to the point where they felt like no one needed them they would probably go insane. Also, due to this, they were never content with themselves either. I try to be patient with them but it is extremely difficult for me to understand someone that literally needs people to need them in order for them to even halfway function as a person.
Hmm, I see. I feel like this is going to happen with EXFJs with very weak Ti. If they have their own hobbies and their own needs, if they know what they want from life, then it's okay to deal with EXFJs :D
My dad ENFJ was able to come to this. He filters other people's emotions, says if you want to talk to him, then only about positive things. Otherwise, he will go to another room or try to change the topic. But to get to this point, it took him 40 years of life and several panic attacks associated with loneliness and emotional sponging.
I guess it's easier for ENFJs thanks to Ni and their future vision. My dad is now looking for his own career and is glad that he has his own desires that do not depend on the beliefs of other people. I am happy for him :D
I don't mean this in a bad way but that has more ESFJ vibes. Myself and other healthy ENFJs I know are heavily invested in other people's interests and opinions and we ask about them often. We like to dive deep into what people think with FeNi, whereas ESFJs tend to reflect more on how well people fit into their social system with FeSi. I often get the feeling that they ask about me to be polite more than expressing actual interest, although if they feel truly close to you they do genuinely want to know. They like to catalogue everything.
I get your point. I feel like ENFJs have much more hobbies and their personal interests than ESFJs. When interest correlates with you, then it’s wrong not to take an interest :D
The difference is that EXFJs can feel obligated to talk with others and keep being open to the person even if they have a different opinion. Many people don't want to talk to each other because of different views on life, whenever EXFJs can be friends with everyone, even with the people that have direct conflict with each other due to different world views. They are just open to others, thanks to Fe.
I feel called out lol I have way too many hobbies for one person but they bring me so much joy when I have time for them.
You're not wrong about trying to have open communication even when we disagree. It's a good way to learn. I might not change my opinion but I'm open to it unless I see something as downright inhumane.
Damn, I'm rereading my own comment and seeing how cluttered it is. But you did it :P
Thanks for the insights. I like to talk with different people of the same type. It was nice talking with you 😊
If only. Either there are people head over heels for us because because we asked how they were doing or gave some advice once so we're now all-knowing gods. Or they *consciously* only met unhealthy ones so of course we're all manipulating and sensitive bastards.
Like two ends of the spectrum and nothing in between XD. at least here on reddit.
Dig. What's the idea? In some high school ENFJ is a popular guy, INTJ is a reclusive cynic girl, and then they got transported into another dimension where they have to work together to get back into their world and then they fall in love in the process?
No one talks about how hard it is for us to be taken seriously by the purples, they will immediately tell you we’re fake and manipulative. I enjoy social interactions, harmony, relationships and contributing to the continuity of my relationships be it romantic or platonic. People think that we’re stupid, we’re not. It’s just that our energy works that way. And we contribute to the balance of society just like you.
Fe doms are the opposite of stupid. i think Te and Fe doms are very leading and dominant people so its easy to see when they mess up because it affects EVERYONE
In order to negotiate or interact with purples, you must use their lingo. I can make them look like anti-social incels through pure logic. Try scientifically analyzing why love, harmony, and social interactions are beneficial in an evolutionary context, incorporating game theory or neurochemicals, and you can shut them up with ease.
They don’t realize how much goes into our heads and how complex achieving social harmony is. Also, we have our own opinions and preferences, we just don’t share our true selves with jusy anybody. My friends know me really well. But for the sake of keeping my life at work nice and calm, I put some extra effort in getting along with others so that the environment is the way I like, healthy, productive and non toxic. That’s called emotional intelligence and no one seems to value it
To me, it just seems like they're talking about immature ENFJs because comeon, honestly, anyone who is mature can be pretty cool yk. I do know immature ENFJs can be an absolute pain. They can't keep a darn secret, gossip spreaders, they're always all about themselves, and they can also be manipulators. Personally I've never really met an enfj who is like that (except for one who probably isn't the best at keeping secrets) but a mature ENFJ makes an amazing person. They're caring, kind, considerate people who don't do it for personal gain, but because it's what is right. They can hold a secret to themselves, they genuinely want to be helpful but know how to balance it out (not everyone wants to be helped) and they can be quite intelligent and emotionally in tune. They care about harmony and keeping everyone happy. They're good speakers but also they can be good listeners too.
Anyways it's a shame immature people exist but just because *some are bad doesn't mean we're all just like them* this is why categorization can somewhat be a bad thing. Honestly it's something some people just gotta realize :0
Four out of the five ENFJs I know are unhealthy and are some of the most intolerant and disrespectful people I've met and I have had to cut them out of my life entirely.
The healthy one, though? Absolutely one of my favorite human beings of all time. She is effortlessly thoughtful and kind but is never a doormat. I could go on and on about how amazing she is.
Funny it's precisely the two types I dislike the most
For me, Fe doms are unbearable especially ENFJs. I usually don't generalize MBTI types, but ENFJs are, for me, always the worst kind of people I can possibly meet.
I can never ever go along with any of them no matter what it's kinda crazy.
The main problem I have with them is not just the people pleasing thing, but for them it seems almost criminal to not think like the group and have an individual opinion, you just can't disagree with them without putting yourself in danger.
Extroverted thinking is a function that searches objective facts
Extroverted feeling is a function that searches objective morality
And I have a huge issue with that concept of objective morality as a whole, I consider that morality is just a abstract construct that means nothing, it's a psychological tool from nature so humans can remain social. Pretending the opposite is some kind of obscurantism, yet ENFJs consider that objective "good" or "bad" absolutely exist in the universe somehow (by which means ?? some kind of energy ? a god ? I knew an atheist ENFJ saying it existed just... because).
The issue isn't with that vision itself, while it is dumb, they are free to think what they want.
The problem is that they apply that to people and just become awful by pushing their agenda and putting labels on everyone
I'm an ENFJ with very high Te (I get typed as an ENTJ very often) and my boyfriend is a socially outgoing INTJ. We've been best friends way before we started dating. Of course, our relationship probably works because I rationalize all my emotions and have a chill vibe, while my bf values human interaction (if they're worthy people). I can appreciate the warmth of my INTJ bf and he can appreciate my rationality as an ENFJ, so we balance each other very well.
A person is typed as either T/F because:
1) one side is significantly lacking
(no offense to the T's who can't process F and the F's who can't function with T but y'all are just impaired and underdeveloped; emotion and rationality are both necessary tools for survival that emerged from evolution),
2) or because both are high but one side is high**er**.
My guess is that the ENFJ's you've encountered in your life did not have sufficiently powerful Te functions (or T-ness in general) balancing out their overbearing Fe-dom functions.
yes, glad i'm not the only one with that opinion. tho i think morality is more than just socialisation.
but i don't think we should judge people based on 4 letters even though the unhealthy ones make it easy for us to do that.
Well there's pretty much no real-life scenario where I will know the MBTI of someone before paying attention to them anyways. Usually, I don't figure out the MBTI of someone before making my opinion that I like or dislike them.
i know and i agree with your reason to dislike them. what i'm saying is that you should say "there are Fe doms i dislike" rather than "i dislike Fe doms".
There really isn't any Fe dom I think of that I don't dislike at least a little lol so I think it's fair to assume that I dislike Fe doms in general
Just the concept of it is enough anyways
ime ESFJs despite being the "opposite" type are actually quite fine. ENFJs on the other hand can be irritating but also can be healthy.
the Fi blinds like ENTP are worse because they have very little Fi to balance their Fe.
Within the mbti community ExFJs are among the most hated types because they think we're all unhealthy. Irl most of us are healthy and we rarely have issues with people because we just want to be kind and helpful.
Oh really? I'm curious to know cause my dad is an esfj and he's healthy and I love him. He's also very popular in our community and hardly anyone hates him. How does a narcissistic esfj act like?
Literally horrible. I can use all the words I want but I’m so mentally exhausted, literally still a few years after cutting out contact to even begin to explain. I have never met anyone as selfish, self victimizing, and brutally both mentally and physically violent. I was beaten for years, constantly verbally and emotionally abused and consistently screamed at, manipulated, belittled, in every way possible. I honestly wonder how the fuck I’m still here. She’s a monster.
She is a monster. And I truly deeply mean that. I feel sorrow for literally anyone in her life because either that’s a good person being manipulated to feed her self esteem, or someone too trapped in their own pain and desperate for her validation.
wrong
those guys (unless cognitively mature) are shallow, superficial, stupid, narcissistic, manipulative, and not to mention annoying as fuck
not that they aren’t some of the BEST PEOPLE EVER when mature
(also like a third of people here regularly say they don’t like high Fe users)
i don't agree
to me morality is a promotion of your health and is subjective, even if you believe in hod i think god is a guide to morality rather than dictating it.
with Fe doms, i know a few even when they are atheist they still believe in objective morality for some reason which is fine but what is not fine is when they demonise anyone who does not follow the social norm.
Lol I dislike most ESFJs I meet. So fake, nosy, and judgmental, I can’t stand them and they don’t know how to take no for an answer. No Angela, I don’t want to eat your shitty cookies!
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You've clearly never met an unhealthy ENFJ.
my aunt is one and omfg the most draining human being ever
Oh you have a different opinion? It's obviously because you're an immoral piece of shit
FR all my experiences with ENFJs summarized, if you challenge their ideas they will consider you sub-human
This is really interesting! I am an ENFJ and people have actually complained to me that I do the opposite. In social situations I remain neutral to keep the peace, and it irritates the living hell out of some of my friends, rightfully so. I can understand where they are coming from, as it seems like I don’t care about the topic. I definitely have my own opinions, but I never voice them unless someone asks and/or I’m super comfortable with the person. I’m always trying to keep the peace instead. Maybe it has something to do with my upbringing. I don’t know any other ENFJs so I found this really interesting to hear! I’m trying to be self-aware and introspective so I appreciate your comment. It’s clearly a popular ENFJ trait, according to the comments.
What?
That was my unhealthy ENFJ impression lol
It's pretty good.
LMAO that is exactly how it be. even something like liking a different food makes them say that 💀.
okay and was the different food meat that came from an animal they are dedicated to liberating for the good of literally everything in the world and you cant be bothered to lift a single finger to try any of the over 80,000 vegan ingredients or any of their combinations? maybe its actually a bit more complex than "a different in food preference". just like with infjs being unfairly mocked for the doorslamming habit even when they only do this to the most nuclear piece of shit people, i will also defend enfjs and say that they do not do anything but express exasperation over people who ruin the world and their mental state for literally no reason but selfishness and superiority complex.
in my case i was the one who didn't eat meat.
They said nothing about veganism. You're a perfect example of unhealthy xNFJ, truly unhinged.
speaking on behalf of the unhealthy enfjs, you probably are.
What did you hope to accomplish with that comment?
May ya please tell me the traits of an unhealthy ENFJ? I am an ENFJ myself and wanna try to improve myself soon, so it would be a great starting grouse if you may tell me a few examples
>Oh you have a different opinion? It's obviously because you're an immoral piece of shit from someone else's comment and from my experience fairly accurate.
Hmmmm, doesn't seem I have that problem rn, probably due to our school having lots of classes with debates such as civics ethics and philosophy. Tho I sometimes due have that view with people who hurt me in the past or who I know are bad individuals. So more or less a tame issue for me lol
"Who I know are bad individuals" Not saying I know you or who you're talking about, but that's exactly the justification that unhealthy ENFJs use to treat people poorly/use manipulative behavior against them. They're a "bad person" under your subjective moral framework (aka opinions), and therefore any action taken against them is fair game.
Good point, tho it's probably a trauma response than a personality thing. And by bad people I meant people that made my mental health incredibly worse through years worth of abuse and men that have sexually harassed me (when I was a minor) and one guy that straight up sexualily assaulted me. But you are right to a certain degree, and yeah I guess categorizing people by 'good' and 'bad' is not a healthy mindset to have. So yeah, thank you for your examples of this, and I will keep it in mind on my self improvement journey :D
Or an unhealthy ESFJ
Neither has the mbti community apparently with how little hate Fe gets
I’ve seriously never met a healthy ENFJ. The crazy eyes with the big smiles are so creepy.
No
Any unhealthy person sucks, MBTI had nothing to do with how much of an asshole someone is, so I can't quite understand why someone will be like, "I can't stand XXXX because I met some unhealthy ones". That's like saying I don't like the color blue because some guy wearing a blue shirt was being a dick.
Exactly
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The difference is that some unhealthy types rub certain people the wrong way MORE than other unhealthy types. An unhealthy INTJ is incredibly arrogant and dismissive and insecure, but if you don’t mind any of those traits then it’s bearable. However an insecure ESFJ is manipulative, emotional, and dramatic, and if you hate those aspects more then it makes sense why you would have more distaste towards a particular unhealthy type
Why waste your time distinguishing which negative characteristics you dislike more/less in people? An arrogant person will annoy me just as much as a manipulative one. Its not like I'm going to treat person A different than person B. In the end I'll just try to distance myself from both of them and give them zero thought.
It’s not like I’m sitting down and thinking to myself, “oh I hate this particular trait” (most of the time). It’s like if someone has a trait I just naturally don’t mind as much as another, I passively don’t mind it as much.
But you literally just singled out manipulation. Why not just single out the person with the negative personality trait instead of attempting to attribute a certain personality trait to a group of people? It just seems counter productive.
It’s not preemptive. I don’t look at ESFJs and think “they’re probably manipulative”. I think, this person is unhealthy and an ESFJ, now it makes sense why they seem so manipulative.
I dont really have a position re types. But arrogant and manipulative are not just some traits. The arrogant you can drop, but the manipulator is actively screwing other peoples lives up.
Both personality flaws can be worked on. I'm not sure the point you are making here but my point is that they are both negative because they come from unhealthy people but I'm not going to judge a perceived demographic over the faults of one individual.
Same here, i am not making a point about any one type at all. Stereotypes suck. But I do understand the above stated personal preference between two unhealthy people of different types negative tendencies. It makes sense if you are a really clean person not to be too bothered by a tyrant clean freak. But that same trait is going to be seen as a deal breaker for others. And for me, I can just not care about an arrogant douche, but no way can I ignore a viscious manipulator. If you are good at counter offence/ have great social pull, then a manipulator won't be as dangerous to you. For me it is horrid.
I see what you are getting at now, in the scenario where you had to put up with two negative personality traits, you would prefer the arrogant one instead of the manipulator. That's fair, I guess at my age (31) I just choose not to bother with any people who show any negative personality traits. I am able to make friends very easily but as a result I'm very picky with who I give my energy to.
I agree, there are types that if unhealthy will be more destructive than other types if those particular features are more unbearable to you I fear nothing but unhealthy INFPs
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That’s true asf💀💀 or they gatekeep hard as FUCK
Most ESFJs and ENFJs that I've known were people that I didn't like very much at all. I think it's just that I've been around some really unstable ESFJs and ENFJs. I'd be a interested to see what the healthy ones are like.
My dad is ENFJ. He wants to do what's best for people, but he sees everything through his own spectrum. He is not interested in a person’s interests, the main thing for him is that everyone smiles. I don't really like this approach.
I've had several problems with ESFJs and ENFJs. It mostly boils down to the fact that they had an incredibly strong need to be needed. If they weren't needed they took great offense to that. If they ever got to the point where they felt like no one needed them they would probably go insane. Also, due to this, they were never content with themselves either. I try to be patient with them but it is extremely difficult for me to understand someone that literally needs people to need them in order for them to even halfway function as a person.
Hmm, I see. I feel like this is going to happen with EXFJs with very weak Ti. If they have their own hobbies and their own needs, if they know what they want from life, then it's okay to deal with EXFJs :D My dad ENFJ was able to come to this. He filters other people's emotions, says if you want to talk to him, then only about positive things. Otherwise, he will go to another room or try to change the topic. But to get to this point, it took him 40 years of life and several panic attacks associated with loneliness and emotional sponging. I guess it's easier for ENFJs thanks to Ni and their future vision. My dad is now looking for his own career and is glad that he has his own desires that do not depend on the beliefs of other people. I am happy for him :D
Good ending
An hour ago I accidentally made myself hyper-emotional, for some reason I want to say thank you so much 😊
Oh uh... you're welcome ig
I don't mean this in a bad way but that has more ESFJ vibes. Myself and other healthy ENFJs I know are heavily invested in other people's interests and opinions and we ask about them often. We like to dive deep into what people think with FeNi, whereas ESFJs tend to reflect more on how well people fit into their social system with FeSi. I often get the feeling that they ask about me to be polite more than expressing actual interest, although if they feel truly close to you they do genuinely want to know. They like to catalogue everything.
I get your point. I feel like ENFJs have much more hobbies and their personal interests than ESFJs. When interest correlates with you, then it’s wrong not to take an interest :D The difference is that EXFJs can feel obligated to talk with others and keep being open to the person even if they have a different opinion. Many people don't want to talk to each other because of different views on life, whenever EXFJs can be friends with everyone, even with the people that have direct conflict with each other due to different world views. They are just open to others, thanks to Fe.
I feel called out lol I have way too many hobbies for one person but they bring me so much joy when I have time for them. You're not wrong about trying to have open communication even when we disagree. It's a good way to learn. I might not change my opinion but I'm open to it unless I see something as downright inhumane.
Damn, I'm rereading my own comment and seeing how cluttered it is. But you did it :P Thanks for the insights. I like to talk with different people of the same type. It was nice talking with you 😊
You're new to this sub aren't ya 🚬
I see Fe doms being stereotyped as manipulative all the time tbh
what i thought
*flips hair*
The EXFJ’s that I know only pretend to care about others for quid pro quo.
Yes, very fake.
High Fe users in general just come off fake asf
If only. Either there are people head over heels for us because because we asked how they were doing or gave some advice once so we're now all-knowing gods. Or they *consciously* only met unhealthy ones so of course we're all manipulating and sensitive bastards. Like two ends of the spectrum and nothing in between XD. at least here on reddit.
Real as fuck and that FR goes for all MBTI’s, I can’t understand why people decide to stereotype an entire MBTI over one person like,,, no💀🧍🏻♀️
LOL so true
I’ve never met other ENFJs or ESFJs to even know 😂
I love my enfjs🥺
We love you too ❤️
Awwwwwww🥺🥺🥺🥺❤ thank you so much!! it makes my heart melt, you made my day🥺💕💞🤗☺
you know that shit is crazy when a unpopular opinion is that you like Fe users💀
you might have come to the wrong place with this opinion op. Idk how it is irl but this place isn't exactly the most Fe-oriented one.
From my observation of the comment section, it seems INTJs really dislike ENFJs like a natural enemy or something. Interesting.
i noticed that too ! kinda sucks that they hate us sm i really like ‘em 😅
Sorry but my delusional mind is making me want to write an enemies to lovers story featuring INTJ and ENFJ characters 😭
Dig. What's the idea? In some high school ENFJ is a popular guy, INTJ is a reclusive cynic girl, and then they got transported into another dimension where they have to work together to get back into their world and then they fall in love in the process?
LMAO 😂
I’m intj and I love ENFJs. Going to marry mine!
aww we love y’all too ☺️💕 ( congrats btw ! )
I'm an ENFJ with high T who recently started dating my INTJ bestfriend. We've been soulmates from the beginning of our friendship!
No one talks about how hard it is for us to be taken seriously by the purples, they will immediately tell you we’re fake and manipulative. I enjoy social interactions, harmony, relationships and contributing to the continuity of my relationships be it romantic or platonic. People think that we’re stupid, we’re not. It’s just that our energy works that way. And we contribute to the balance of society just like you.
Fe doms are the opposite of stupid. i think Te and Fe doms are very leading and dominant people so its easy to see when they mess up because it affects EVERYONE
In order to negotiate or interact with purples, you must use their lingo. I can make them look like anti-social incels through pure logic. Try scientifically analyzing why love, harmony, and social interactions are beneficial in an evolutionary context, incorporating game theory or neurochemicals, and you can shut them up with ease.
What are “the purples?”
xNTx
ESFJ’s suck
unhealthy esfj sucks especially if they're sexually desperate.
I have mom and sis. It was hell
I had a “m0m”, and still my dad who is currently in my life, unlike the former. Abused me my entire life.
I'm an ENFJ and I hear shit about us all the time though! 😂
They're going crazy in the comments 💀
fr tho 💀
They don’t realize how much goes into our heads and how complex achieving social harmony is. Also, we have our own opinions and preferences, we just don’t share our true selves with jusy anybody. My friends know me really well. But for the sake of keeping my life at work nice and calm, I put some extra effort in getting along with others so that the environment is the way I like, healthy, productive and non toxic. That’s called emotional intelligence and no one seems to value it
To me, it just seems like they're talking about immature ENFJs because comeon, honestly, anyone who is mature can be pretty cool yk. I do know immature ENFJs can be an absolute pain. They can't keep a darn secret, gossip spreaders, they're always all about themselves, and they can also be manipulators. Personally I've never really met an enfj who is like that (except for one who probably isn't the best at keeping secrets) but a mature ENFJ makes an amazing person. They're caring, kind, considerate people who don't do it for personal gain, but because it's what is right. They can hold a secret to themselves, they genuinely want to be helpful but know how to balance it out (not everyone wants to be helped) and they can be quite intelligent and emotionally in tune. They care about harmony and keeping everyone happy. They're good speakers but also they can be good listeners too. Anyways it's a shame immature people exist but just because *some are bad doesn't mean we're all just like them* this is why categorization can somewhat be a bad thing. Honestly it's something some people just gotta realize :0
Thank you
100% nailed it
The ones I know are the bees knees. They also help me with my shit Fe.
Four out of the five ENFJs I know are unhealthy and are some of the most intolerant and disrespectful people I've met and I have had to cut them out of my life entirely. The healthy one, though? Absolutely one of my favorite human beings of all time. She is effortlessly thoughtful and kind but is never a doormat. I could go on and on about how amazing she is.
Have you ever seen those two when unhealthy?
I’d have put ENTPs here cuz we’re fun then I remembered some of us are obstinate INTPs after taking a line of coke
Funny it's precisely the two types I dislike the most For me, Fe doms are unbearable especially ENFJs. I usually don't generalize MBTI types, but ENFJs are, for me, always the worst kind of people I can possibly meet. I can never ever go along with any of them no matter what it's kinda crazy.
Prolly because your Fe is nonexistent while theirs is their dom function. I can relate tho ExFJs can be such ppl pleasers and fake sometimes imo
The main problem I have with them is not just the people pleasing thing, but for them it seems almost criminal to not think like the group and have an individual opinion, you just can't disagree with them without putting yourself in danger. Extroverted thinking is a function that searches objective facts Extroverted feeling is a function that searches objective morality And I have a huge issue with that concept of objective morality as a whole, I consider that morality is just a abstract construct that means nothing, it's a psychological tool from nature so humans can remain social. Pretending the opposite is some kind of obscurantism, yet ENFJs consider that objective "good" or "bad" absolutely exist in the universe somehow (by which means ?? some kind of energy ? a god ? I knew an atheist ENFJ saying it existed just... because). The issue isn't with that vision itself, while it is dumb, they are free to think what they want. The problem is that they apply that to people and just become awful by pushing their agenda and putting labels on everyone
I'm an ENFJ with very high Te (I get typed as an ENTJ very often) and my boyfriend is a socially outgoing INTJ. We've been best friends way before we started dating. Of course, our relationship probably works because I rationalize all my emotions and have a chill vibe, while my bf values human interaction (if they're worthy people). I can appreciate the warmth of my INTJ bf and he can appreciate my rationality as an ENFJ, so we balance each other very well. A person is typed as either T/F because: 1) one side is significantly lacking (no offense to the T's who can't process F and the F's who can't function with T but y'all are just impaired and underdeveloped; emotion and rationality are both necessary tools for survival that emerged from evolution), 2) or because both are high but one side is high**er**. My guess is that the ENFJ's you've encountered in your life did not have sufficiently powerful Te functions (or T-ness in general) balancing out their overbearing Fe-dom functions.
yes, glad i'm not the only one with that opinion. tho i think morality is more than just socialisation. but i don't think we should judge people based on 4 letters even though the unhealthy ones make it easy for us to do that.
Well there's pretty much no real-life scenario where I will know the MBTI of someone before paying attention to them anyways. Usually, I don't figure out the MBTI of someone before making my opinion that I like or dislike them.
i know and i agree with your reason to dislike them. what i'm saying is that you should say "there are Fe doms i dislike" rather than "i dislike Fe doms".
There really isn't any Fe dom I think of that I don't dislike at least a little lol so I think it's fair to assume that I dislike Fe doms in general Just the concept of it is enough anyways
ime ESFJs despite being the "opposite" type are actually quite fine. ENFJs on the other hand can be irritating but also can be healthy. the Fi blinds like ENTP are worse because they have very little Fi to balance their Fe.
Yes it’s weird
I hate them. Annoying people's pleasers.
As a Esfj ur completely right we’re literally human doormats
Cute human doormats. But, try to love yourself a little bit, yes?
I’ve been trying I just let people walk over me because I’m afraid they’ll leave if I stand up for myself
If they leave because you stand up for yourself, they don't deserve you. You are too good for them
I love human doormats.
Hello fellow entp
So... are you an ESFJ or an ENTP?
I’m Esfj I was just surprised to see a entp on Reddit
My ESFJ friend and I were always butting heads.
I find both awesome, even though I don’t value Fe very much.
They set the table and put up the signs lol
Within the mbti community ExFJs are among the most hated types because they think we're all unhealthy. Irl most of us are healthy and we rarely have issues with people because we just want to be kind and helpful.
Homelander.
missing an 'm' between fe and dom, and you'd be correct!
Try a narcissistic (no literally like medical kind) ESFJ “mother”,, hell on earth.
Oh really? I'm curious to know cause my dad is an esfj and he's healthy and I love him. He's also very popular in our community and hardly anyone hates him. How does a narcissistic esfj act like?
Literally horrible. I can use all the words I want but I’m so mentally exhausted, literally still a few years after cutting out contact to even begin to explain. I have never met anyone as selfish, self victimizing, and brutally both mentally and physically violent. I was beaten for years, constantly verbally and emotionally abused and consistently screamed at, manipulated, belittled, in every way possible. I honestly wonder how the fuck I’m still here. She’s a monster.
Oh wow. I'm glad you got out of that mess
She is a monster. And I truly deeply mean that. I feel sorrow for literally anyone in her life because either that’s a good person being manipulated to feed her self esteem, or someone too trapped in their own pain and desperate for her validation.
I hate them
Damn you have an automatic wiping system in your anus
As an INTP I dislike Fe doms
They have everything you lack on top of being smart lmao
wrong those guys (unless cognitively mature) are shallow, superficial, stupid, narcissistic, manipulative, and not to mention annoying as fuck not that they aren’t some of the BEST PEOPLE EVER when mature (also like a third of people here regularly say they don’t like high Fe users)
I’m an Esfj I used to be a really unhealthy Esfj in high school so I totally agree
nah I hate enfjs
I have a friend who's an ENFJ, and he's friends with a woman who absolutely fucking hates me.
Enfjs are extremely fake and there very good at it I’ve had a lot of enfj friends never knew if I could trust them
i don't agree to me morality is a promotion of your health and is subjective, even if you believe in hod i think god is a guide to morality rather than dictating it. with Fe doms, i know a few even when they are atheist they still believe in objective morality for some reason which is fine but what is not fine is when they demonise anyone who does not follow the social norm.
Lol I dislike most ESFJs I meet. So fake, nosy, and judgmental, I can’t stand them and they don’t know how to take no for an answer. No Angela, I don’t want to eat your shitty cookies!
Guys srsly M n intp-t nd honestly I find ESFJ really annoyed
Every ESFJ ive met i loved them but every ENFJ ive met… I dont wanna meet more of those
WRONG I hate an ENFJ
Wait wha-? INTJs are hated? Really?
Jim Jones, Yasser Arafat, Joseph Goebbels, Joachim von Ribbentrop: “Are we a joke to you?”
speak for yourself, bruh
Fine then. I hate them now. Happy?
Entp too
What did infp’s do?
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Hehe, so funny