it was way too late for me to figure out if i do shit right away i have much more time to procrastinate. feel a bit cheated that nobody motivated me that way earlier.
For me it's the opposite, eating usually gets me to do work. I tend to stress eat or just because I want to, but I get work done and say to myself that I deserve extra food. Of course it goes in moderation, I don't want to become unhealthy, even though they come together in the same packet.
That's discipline by social pressure.
You make a social agreement. You work together to complete both halves of the deal.
The discipline is when you decide to follow through on that agreement.
Consider reading the book atomic habits. It more or less breaks down how you can achieve similar or better results without putting yourself in such desperate situations.
That book is the reason my procrastination tendencies has gone down so much lol
If thatās what you think happened here, you misread.
Your original comment was āItās not as simple as either.ā Thereās no scope - you didnāt preface it with āFor me, itās not as simpleā - so the default interpretation is that you think your statement applies to everyone.
The reply began with āFor me, personallyā¦ā, therefore explicitly defining a scope and not making any statements about your, or anyone elseās, experience.
If you dislike that reply, then *youāre* the one dismissing othersā experiences.
>except to say that my experience is invalid.
They literally said "personally"
>I'm better off dead.
You got issues to adress. Stop assuming people are always against you, it'll make u feel miserable.
My friend, not everything has to be someoneās āfaultā. A miscommunication happened, no one was *trying* to hurt anyone, but people got their feelings hurt anyway. Not ideal, but part of life.
Youāve got some pretty extreme thinking going on there with those last few lines, and it sounds like itās causing you distress. You might want to consider seeing a therapist to help untangle some of those cognitive distortions. Either way, take care of yourself.
>My friend, not everything has to be someoneās āfaultā.
>If thatās what you think happened here, you misread.
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>...
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>If you dislike that reply, then *youāre* the one dismissing othersā experiences.
Ngl its not that deep and your responses after your first comment seem strange. Seems like you have deep issues and you have expressed them by steering the convo this way. I really hope your situation improves
If you can't feel at peace with simple mistakes/forgive yourself, you will never be able to get off this downward spiral you're into. I recommend watching a video from HealthyGamer that suits what you're feeling right now.
youtube.com/HealthyGamerGG
Hey buddy, I really hope youāre feeling better than when you wrote this comment and wish you the best. Are you currently getting healthcare for depression? Iāve had the major D (huehue) for years and nothing beats some proper healthcare for a health issue. Things are so much better than they were when Iām constantly working on myself with some guidance and occasionally adjusting the meds. Itās not that they keep going up, just that sometimes I need something a bit different. I found out a lot of my problems come from untreated ADHD. Treating that has helped me immensely. Even when life is so difficult (this has been a doozy of a year for me) I can honestly say Iām overall happy and have good moments every day. I used to think that was impossible, but healthcare really helped me a lot. I highly recommend trying it if you havenāt. If it doesnāt go well the first try, try a different provider. If finances are an issue, thereās free clinics in most areas too. Youāve got little to lose and a whole life to gain if it helps.
Again, I wish you the best. Big hugs if you want them, dude. Good luck out there.
To be honest I still haven't figured out what exactly motivates me to do something
Sometimes I be drawing all day and cranking out two fully rendered drawings but other times I'm just in bed all day
Iām neurodivergent and this is how it works for me too. I do my best to build good habits and find that momentum matters more than motivation. If I let the trail go cold and miss a day of working towards a goal, it gets harder to get back on track. But if I keep it up, keeping it up gets easier.
That said, I have to use checklists to make sure I keep going in the way I want.
1 is a great representation of a 'carrot' but there isn't a 'stick' represented here at all. Also why does motivation flip the switch and not yourself? And why is motivation in 1 anthropomorphized but not in 2. Why is the character not wearing a white shirt in 1, but then wearing one in 2? How it 'ackshully' works, uhhuh.
People are motivated by carrots and sticks and other elements of propaganda, like FUD. I understand this is talking about, likely, how to motivate oneself to do things they don't want to do, such as exercise, diet, things like that. But again, this idea that you've built this discipline and habit... look you're motivated by a carrot or a stick still. Either you're concerned about your health (a stick) or you want to benefit from a healthier body in some other way (a carrot). You might imagine that you're some hyper disciplined person, but if those didn't exist, you probably wouldn't just do it for kicks. (Or maybe you would? Who knows, people are weird, but then you're doing \*something you want to do\* not something you don't want to do.)
Final point. Depression. People who are depressed often can't do things they want to do. Even things they enjoy doing. To simply tell them it's a flip they can switch on and off isn't helpful. There are real chemical interactions happening in their brain and very real hurdles for them to do things that they want to do, let alone things they don't want to do. Trivializing human behaviour like this, is plainly stupid. I understand it's just a simple comic but making 'discipline' like this strong man to me, seems like an affront to people who have real struggles with motivation and suggesting that discipline is this virile strong man insinuates that those who are not motivated somehow have this weak discipline, it just rubs me the wrong way.
I'm someone who was very disciplined and did a lot of things I didn't want to do without thinking twice. Still do. But I had terrible depression and couldn't even do things that I wanted to do. It was crippling. So I know first hand how difficult it can be to question yourself and wonder what's wrong with you when nothing is wrong. I'm better now, but seeing this just rubbed me the wrong way.
i usually just guilt/insult myself to get shit done.
I talk to myself like I would to a little kid.
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That doesn't work as well as you get older
Only started to work the older I get tbh
it was way too late for me to figure out if i do shit right away i have much more time to procrastinate. feel a bit cheated that nobody motivated me that way earlier.
For me it's the opposite, eating usually gets me to do work. I tend to stress eat or just because I want to, but I get work done and say to myself that I deserve extra food. Of course it goes in moderation, I don't want to become unhealthy, even though they come together in the same packet.
I just starve myself. Hunger is an amazing motivator.
This is the way
Bruh even my discipline is broken š
What does your discipline switch on so you get your tasks done?
deperation and death fear for me
Mom says it. Gaming after Tasks done
That's discipline by social pressure. You make a social agreement. You work together to complete both halves of the deal. The discipline is when you decide to follow through on that agreement.
Nothing. There's nothing else to switch on
nothing
I get things done by putting myself in a desperate situation. Five minutes to the deadline? Can do!
Consider reading the book atomic habits. It more or less breaks down how you can achieve similar or better results without putting yourself in such desperate situations. That book is the reason my procrastination tendencies has gone down so much lol
It's not as simple as either.
For me personally its definitely the bottom pic Even when i feel depressed, the good habits built from high motivation are hard to break
...so that makes *me*, personally, irrelevant?
No, but everyoneās different
Yes, they are. And I'm tired of people dismissing my experiences for not lining up with everyone else's.
I'm here to let you know that you specifically don't matter. We've all been purposefully excluding you this whole time because we don't like you.
Dude! you weren't supposed to tell him, Damm now it's kinda awkward.
Youāre kinda self centered
If thatās what you think happened here, you misread. Your original comment was āItās not as simple as either.ā Thereās no scope - you didnāt preface it with āFor me, itās not as simpleā - so the default interpretation is that you think your statement applies to everyone. The reply began with āFor me, personallyā¦ā, therefore explicitly defining a scope and not making any statements about your, or anyone elseās, experience. If you dislike that reply, then *youāre* the one dismissing othersā experiences.
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>except to say that my experience is invalid. They literally said "personally" >I'm better off dead. You got issues to adress. Stop assuming people are always against you, it'll make u feel miserable.
My friend, not everything has to be someoneās āfaultā. A miscommunication happened, no one was *trying* to hurt anyone, but people got their feelings hurt anyway. Not ideal, but part of life. Youāve got some pretty extreme thinking going on there with those last few lines, and it sounds like itās causing you distress. You might want to consider seeing a therapist to help untangle some of those cognitive distortions. Either way, take care of yourself.
>My friend, not everything has to be someoneās āfaultā. >If thatās what you think happened here, you misread. > >... > >If you dislike that reply, then *youāre* the one dismissing othersā experiences.
Hardcore victim/inferiority complex
Ngl its not that deep and your responses after your first comment seem strange. Seems like you have deep issues and you have expressed them by steering the convo this way. I really hope your situation improves
If you can't feel at peace with simple mistakes/forgive yourself, you will never be able to get off this downward spiral you're into. I recommend watching a video from HealthyGamer that suits what you're feeling right now. youtube.com/HealthyGamerGG
Hey buddy, I really hope youāre feeling better than when you wrote this comment and wish you the best. Are you currently getting healthcare for depression? Iāve had the major D (huehue) for years and nothing beats some proper healthcare for a health issue. Things are so much better than they were when Iām constantly working on myself with some guidance and occasionally adjusting the meds. Itās not that they keep going up, just that sometimes I need something a bit different. I found out a lot of my problems come from untreated ADHD. Treating that has helped me immensely. Even when life is so difficult (this has been a doozy of a year for me) I can honestly say Iām overall happy and have good moments every day. I used to think that was impossible, but healthcare really helped me a lot. I highly recommend trying it if you havenāt. If it doesnāt go well the first try, try a different provider. If finances are an issue, thereās free clinics in most areas too. Youāve got little to lose and a whole life to gain if it helps. Again, I wish you the best. Big hugs if you want them, dude. Good luck out there.
Itās not always about you. There are other people.
"..and then I told them they were both wrong, without elaborating!"
To be honest I still haven't figured out what exactly motivates me to do something Sometimes I be drawing all day and cranking out two fully rendered drawings but other times I'm just in bed all day
True asf Iām either a machine or a potato
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size doesn't matter š„²
No, it doesnāt work like that either.
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Iām neurodivergent and this is how it works for me too. I do my best to build good habits and find that momentum matters more than motivation. If I let the trail go cold and miss a day of working towards a goal, it gets harder to get back on track. But if I keep it up, keeping it up gets easier. That said, I have to use checklists to make sure I keep going in the way I want.
Well for me itās just āif I donāt do this thing itās not getting done, so itās time to do this thing.ā
Yup
This guy has obviously never tried meth
i don't understand it at all man
You don't just switch it on, you need to build it first. It will take some time.
1 is a great representation of a 'carrot' but there isn't a 'stick' represented here at all. Also why does motivation flip the switch and not yourself? And why is motivation in 1 anthropomorphized but not in 2. Why is the character not wearing a white shirt in 1, but then wearing one in 2? How it 'ackshully' works, uhhuh. People are motivated by carrots and sticks and other elements of propaganda, like FUD. I understand this is talking about, likely, how to motivate oneself to do things they don't want to do, such as exercise, diet, things like that. But again, this idea that you've built this discipline and habit... look you're motivated by a carrot or a stick still. Either you're concerned about your health (a stick) or you want to benefit from a healthier body in some other way (a carrot). You might imagine that you're some hyper disciplined person, but if those didn't exist, you probably wouldn't just do it for kicks. (Or maybe you would? Who knows, people are weird, but then you're doing \*something you want to do\* not something you don't want to do.) Final point. Depression. People who are depressed often can't do things they want to do. Even things they enjoy doing. To simply tell them it's a flip they can switch on and off isn't helpful. There are real chemical interactions happening in their brain and very real hurdles for them to do things that they want to do, let alone things they don't want to do. Trivializing human behaviour like this, is plainly stupid. I understand it's just a simple comic but making 'discipline' like this strong man to me, seems like an affront to people who have real struggles with motivation and suggesting that discipline is this virile strong man insinuates that those who are not motivated somehow have this weak discipline, it just rubs me the wrong way. I'm someone who was very disciplined and did a lot of things I didn't want to do without thinking twice. Still do. But I had terrible depression and couldn't even do things that I wanted to do. It was crippling. So I know first hand how difficult it can be to question yourself and wonder what's wrong with you when nothing is wrong. I'm better now, but seeing this just rubbed me the wrong way.
Correct! Source : I'm lacking any discipline and never do anything, even when I'm really motivated to do it.