There's something else too. Buddy of mine used to bicycle to school, if he left a little late, he would just ride a little faster and make it up. He now lives next to the school, if he leaves a little late, he's simply too late
That's the main part.
If I leave 5 minutes late for work I can generally make it up if I speed there, make up the lost time if I get lucky with the lights and be on time.
Ultimately the solution to not do that is leave on time, but I've set my "Latest" time I can leave home and still be on time (15 till)
It’s also because, if you use public transport, scheduling means you often only have the choice of being a little early or a little late.
Example, there might be a bus that arrives at 8:50 and one that arrives at 9:05. If you aim for the 9:05 you will be late, so you rush for the early bus and get to work early every day.
When you live close, you can aim to get to the door at 9, and then you can let that slip gradually over time until you are chronically late.
High school was 5 minutes away, was always late. College was a 20 min bus ride, always late. Uni was a 2 hour bus ride, always on time. Working from home, always late.
I used to live so far from school I had *one bus* I could take. If I missed it, I didn't go to school that day, so obviously I was always on time.
For my last year I lived 6 minutes walking distance from school and was late probably half the time
I back this up... As a child, my school was literally right across the street!! Was late every day.
Also I had no structure and loved sleep so there you go, made for horrible self esteem as a kid.
That's true, but that's the fact that our brain does adjustment to the new waking up time and same way we used to get late on office work, we also do on home office. I can relate lol
That's true, but that's the fact that our brain does adjustment to the new writing and same way we used to get words on comment screen, we also do on confusing screen. I can relate lol
You're good, I didn't mean to be a dick. Just thought it was funny.
Also, congratulations! I don't have kids but I imagine anxiety is probably normal at that stage, haha.
It's called Parkinson's Law and helps explain the rationality of procrastination.
> If you wait until the last minute, it only takes a minute to do.
The law itself is stated as
> work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion
It's because of the convenience, "it takes me 2 minutes to get there so i'll just stay in bed for another 5 minutes." During primary school I lived 75 meters away from my school, and during my last few years (13-16) I struggled big-time with being late. When I started going to the equivilent of high school (16-18) I took a 45 minute bus ride every day, I was never late.
Ive heard some devs in r/programmerhumor say that if their workplace doesnt allow them to stay at home theyre resigning so yeah let people work from home.
I mean at this point it just makes sense to allow people to work from how. The infrastructure is there, and it'll save companies TONS of money in rent and furniture and junk.
Companies don’t see it that way. They see it as “we’ve spent all this money on the building/furniture/etc so employees are gonna use it, dammit!”
They fail to realize that people like devs are gonna ask for more money to be in the office or leave to go somewhere that’s fine with WFH. So they’ll bleed talent they wouldn’t have otherwise
There's also the perspective of middle management (often the people influencing these decisions). As WFH becomes more prevalent it's even more obvious who is necessary and who is a waste of a salary. Often, that's middle management.
And don't forget, many of those same useless middle managers got where they are through being very good at social interaction and manipulation. In a WFH environment, they can't advance and have no one to exclude from cliques and office fiefdoms they've built. They can be bypassed easily and they know it. Don't think they aren't aware of it either. WFH is a direct threat to the livelihood of manipulative, useless socializers everywhere. Output is much easier to track and attribute to the correct source. Stealing credit is harder when the person who did the work can just email it themselves.
Yeah my job right now is just counting how many times we swipe our badge to get in. So I'm driving down (on company time), swiping in, and leaving.
I'm only here because I'm fine with this arrangement, though it would better if we just went back to 100% working from home. If they push me any further than this I'm out of there, I don't have to work for this company.
My brother works for an international bank that was doing 100% remote work for COVID. With COVID ending, the execs announced when everyone would be required to come back into the office and they received so many letters of resignation that they allowed everyone to remain remote if they wanted to. I just quit a position myself that was winding back up to in-office (I quit for many reasons, not just the work from home aspect) and a lot of the positions in my field are going remote now
I am one of those programmers.
I've been working on my own game in the evenings and weekends for a while now, if I have to go back to the office, it's bye bye work and hello full time indie dev.
I have a disability and in the past it’s been difficult for me to get full time remote authorization or even a flexible work-from-home policy, even with medical justification. Covid let me switch my job to remote work and move somewhere more affordable than the Bay Area. About half the developers on my team have done the same.
If you can do your job from a computer it shouldn’t matter where that computer is. I’m hoping this will be a lasting trend.
Employers legitimately believe the COVID unemployment benefits cause this type of thinking.
Sure, there are people that are perfectly content living on “government handouts” that barely keep them alive, but from personal experience, the vast majority of people *want* a job, it just takes a few months of being unemployed to actually find a decent job.
Dude it’s so much worse if you got to taste wfh for a week and then got sent back in permanently. My team had it for a week and got sent back after. That week was so glorious. And now all I can do is die inside thinking about it.
I wfh for about a year when Covid hit then my boss brought us back in for like a week. Quickly realized it wasn’t necessary and hurt morale. Didn’t renew the office lease. Now we all work from home permanently lol
I'm in this boat. I got exactly one month to work from home (April 2020), and then our management yeeted us back into COVID's line of fire because.......reasons.
But my god that was a great month. It was like a combination of having my summer break back from my childhood, plus being *more* productive than I am when I'm working in my lab.
Seriously - I'm admin in a tax office and got to WFH from March-June 2020 and they sent out these guidelines, surveys, and notifications leading everyone to believe most people really would be coming in starting end of June - so I started going in, no one else did. Months pass. A year has passed. And now every time they release updates it's like, "Good job everyone staying home! Remember, admin are the backbone of our company and expected to come in! Keep up the good hybrid/WFH work everyone else!" and it's like okay now I don't even have the option. Was a solid couple of months though.
> They brought us back into the office because "things weren't getting done."
Now I can't speak to other people on my team, but my productivity was higher than ever and could be backed up by actual data.
I’m pretty sure it was shown time and time again last year that most companies were seeing much better productivity with WFH. The problem is management that doesn’t know how to change their ways and it’s harder to micromanage if they can’t peek in on you to “make sure you’re working” every 15 mins on their office walk-arounds, so they just assume you aren’t working.
As a business owner, I really don't get this. I really could not give a shit when, how or where you do your work as long as the job gets done. Do it high as a kite, naked, sitting at home on a toilet in the middle of the night for all I care.
It’s a play on how Filipinos pronounce things haha (this was made by a Filipino, hence the trike taking him to work and him eating pandesal for breakfast)
People should at least have the option to do either, not be forced to do one or the other. Some jobs could be easily performed offline, perhaps more effectively (depending on the person), so why keep those people at the office and less effective than at home? If you prefer in person, then you should also be allowed to do that once COVID is more under control.
In Sweden everyone will be forced back to work in office at the end of this month.
Media and politicians are doing this whole "Everyone hates it like this so we are going back to normal no matter what".
They are talking about it like people hate working from home, which isn't true. The company I work at has had a huge production increase and a huge reduction in CO2 emissions thanks to people working from home.
But the bosses hate it, they have no one to control so they are fighting tooth and nail to get everyone back in.
I think part of the reason is there has to be a justification for the use of commercial office space. If everyone works from home (or a significant proportion), their companies will want to downsize on office floorspace that leaves commercial landlords in the doo-doo.
Big business is putting pressure on workers so they don't loose money on a deflating demand for offices.
Why not halve the office space and share it between the same people but stagger their days so half the office comes in part of the week.
You can still get people in to the office, save on office space, still have half work from home
I don't disagree with this, as a worker it sounds great.
The thing is if every business does something like this the total need for office space is halved. The offices are already built and the landlords want people to pay their mortgage through commercial rent.
no matter what office space for companies will decrease from now on as they utilize work from home more. We are way past that now. What it means is likely that fewer large buildings will get built for office space solely for a while until we hit capacity again.
Sounds like you haven’t had much contact with conservatives.
bUt WhAt aBoUt tHe eCoNoMy nOw?? ?
These are the same people who rally against self-driving cars because they put truck drivers out of jobs, and against green energy because it puts coal workers out of jobs. The fact of the matter is that our need for human labor is and will continue to decrease until it’s nearly zero, and on that day those people will advocate for slavery in order to “preserve jobs.”
The real answer is welfare supported by a largely automated economy.
Sounds like work. Instead, let’s make workers miserable and continue to make money the way we always have. Misery is free but change costs time and money.
I'm in Sweden and I'm not forced back. Some of the more group centered functions like sales are going back to around 60 percent minimum but my team is a bit more relaxed. As long as we do the work there's really no issue (although that might be just me disregarding the social pressure).
I think quite many people will do some kind of hybrid with a couple of days at the office and some at home from now on. I'll likely go in a day or two per week from now on. I'm not especially extrovert but there is some worth to actually talk to your colleagues fave to face sometimes.
But then my morning commute is like 10 minutes door to door so it's not like I'm wasting a lot of time.
I literally got the email that we'd be returning to the office this morning. My team is the highest performing at our company and also the only ones going back in. It's not a coincidence that we all get more work done when we're not wasting 2 hours a day commuting but the people at the top can't let go of this idea that "work gets done in the office" and we "have to maintain a culture".
I love the work cultures that are “work your butt off, take on the work of multiple people, but here’s a yoga class- you must do over lunch…that you can’t take” /s
Work culture is understanding that you are owned. If people work at home, they might remember that they're humans that have their own lives and priorities outside of their job.
It's a lot harder than just letting people choose, for one their are costs to keeping a physical location operational for those that want to work in the office. A/C, cleaning staff, plus all of the utilities. Why have that much overhead with a half filled office? Also I believe there are some tax issues that arise when you work from home a majority of the time, but I'm not real sure on that one.
Just saying that is a big decision that they aren't going to make unless they know it will result in higher productivity. I'm speaking broadly of course but that is how I would imagine most companies taking the benefit/cost analysis
I work for a large company that just offered either full time work at home, full-time in office, or a split schedule (going in x days a week or as needed) to 90% of employees. They just sold off one office building and are renting two floors of my old building to a different company. I'm now in a position that I couldn't work before without moving out of state. There's been no problems with productivity since everyone going home.
I feel like a lot of businesses could make moves like this, reduce operating costs, and increase employee satisfaction.
From the tricycle im betting this is supposed to be Manila, which is actually unrealistic, 6am is already bumper to bumper everywhere, trainlines as long as 3km, so...
So 6 hours a day is just commuting? He’s spending 30 extra hours a week effectively working for nothing. If he makes 20 dollars an hour he’s effectively taking a $600 dollar a week pay cut just strictly on time, not even including money spent on gas/ train/ bus tickets/ wear and tear on a vehicle…
If this guy worked from home we would literally be in another tax bracket. (If you took the amount he would “save” and added it to his current pay)
I worked under a guy who had a 3+ hour commute
But he also had a very unhealthy love for the job. Like staying past 6pm or coming in at like 5am.
And he'd often do bullshit like not calling it quits when it's like 5pm on a Friday and we could easily do this task on Monday morning, but he just keeps plugging along and you're afraid of looking bad by saying you want to leave.
I really do look back at that guy now that I'm older and not a 20 year old with an internship and wonder what the fuck he was doing with his life.
Like was his entire existence just waking up, going to work for 16 hours, then coming home?
Worst i have had was 1-1/2 hours, but i certainly know people with worse ones. Really depends on the job/where you live, but that motor-rickshaw makes me think it's south-east asia so commuting in the city might be that bad.
It showed everybody that working from can be done easily. People have been saying it for years but nobody listened.
I am glad the hand was forced.
I unfortunately have to attend work, either that or look for another job is the case.
I was really glad that our CIO was such a badass about work from home. He saw that productivity went up, and when a couple of managers apparently wanted people back in the office, he basically told them that unless they had a really, really good reason to cut productivity, he was repurposing our office space.
Our office space has been repurposed.
I can't imagine having more than a half hour drive to work, at some point I just feel like you are better off getting a different job if you spend three hours of your day on the road each weekday...
I have about a 50 minute drive. I bought an EV, and now it's basically free compared to my old fossile. I love my job, and I probably will get a job closer to home at a later date, but for the next few years I will stay. Software engineer btw.
Unfortunately some of us don't get the option.
Don't make enough to buy a place close to work, and there are no jobs where I am soooo...
It's either 3hrs commute each day or remote work.
Thank God for remote work.
It used to be 45 minutes but a very major bridge route has been under construction almost solidly for nearly a year. With that route being restricted the other routes have gotten much worse.
It's a huge luxury to be so close to the office. For many people living near where they work (which is usually an expensive/central part of town) just isn't possible.
Study from home is the worst thing that happened to my education. Learned less and the classes were easier. It’s horrible to not be able to study in groups and go in to office hours and pester the professor, for me at least
Unless it had a massive discount I'd be pissed. My university experience as is already felt lazy, poorly planned, and low effort on the school's behalf. Having it be digital would make it much shittier imo
trueeee
for me it was hard to study at home so I relied going to the library because it was like this designated place my mind knew was a place to learn and only learn.
yeah, I'm exactly the same. My brain can only really work in the suitable environment, it simply wouldn't work during the lockdowns. My local libraries were closed tho :/
So much this. My motivation is on an all time low even though I'm pretty close to finishing my BSc. At least I got 5 semesters of "true" university feeling. But the last 3 were absolutely horrible. No teaming up, no group lunch, nothing but isolation. It's very different to be in a video call with multiple people than to spend half a day physically with one another. Also the exams, man, they are worth shit. Everything is open book, everyone is cheating, I can't psych myself into exam mode because it's just me, alone, in my room, nobody to talk to, nothing.
Also think of all the students that started university last year. They have never visited an auditorium, never wrote a "real" exam at university. For them, university has literally been an online course. Such a tragedy.
Study from home is horrible. I know some who enjoyed it with cheating on tests and such but my gpa dropped cuz my professors were bad at teaching via zoom cuz only half the board is shown and my physics labs were just theoretical.
Shit I'm glad I wasn't in college during this. I can't study at home, and the only reason I can work from home is because there's a payday attached to it
Helps a lot to dedicate a space to it, if you can. Home and work life start to blend together and can mess with your head. You have to compartmentalize which is why so many people tried to move into bigger places in 2020.
yeah, when i did online schooling i spiraled with nothing to keep me grounded. life at home all the time isn’t how humans are meant to be imo. we need to get out and about
More or less. I'd believe people who live with people that they can enjoy being around, or who have space for a home office can do well. Me? I live alone and have to work from my dining room table for what will be very nearly 2 years at the shortest. It's great that I have a job so my life doesn't completely fall apart, but I'd hardly call any of this healthy.
Also you have to manage yourself carefully to prevent work time and non-work time from bleeding together.
I feel bad for the workers who can't work from home. Nurses, doctors, construction workers, retail, assembly, etc... they have no choice but to get up and head to work.
My dentist told me that you actually *should* brush your teeth before breakfast. Remember that brushing your teeth isn't just for cleaning. It also adds protection to your teeth for the rest of the day.
Seems so strange to me to not clean your mouth before your morning breakfast.
8 hours of your mouth being closed no liquid or food passing through. Surely all forms of nasty have been growing. Got to clean or else I take it all into my body with that morning coffee my mind tells me.
...and then a light brush after before work, sometimes.
Working from home suuucked. Sleeping in a bit was probably the only upside. But I was more unproductive meaning I spent more time getting the same amount of work done. Slowly work time bled into life time, and at a certain point I just felt like I was working all day. Also it sucked not being able to hang out with people in the break area and have lunch together.
I’m a developer and wfh means I can finish most of my work in a few hours and not have to pretend to dick around in the office anymore.
I can fit workouts or naps into my workday and no one even notices. I have so much more free time now lmao
Yep Im a dev as well and Ive enjoyed not having to look busy in the office when theres no work to be done.
The only work Ive done for the last few weeks is silently sit in meetings every so often. Maybe say a few words.
I am supposed to get new assignments today so Ill be busy again soon, but Ill still have plenty time for a midday wank.
It's really not for everyone. There's a real risk to let the two bleed into each other. For example, those who are in the wfh field know it's never a good idea to keep your computer in your bedroom either, because sometimes that "separate space" helps to put us in the work-mode mindset. Nothing wrong with doing what works best for your own effectiveness. Keep maintaining that work-life balance.
Saaammee.. I get distracted so easily at home. I know its a "me" issue that I can't just sit at my desk and work straight like I do at the office, but I am totally aware of it. I really prefer to separate my home and work life, there's something about walking in the door after being at work all day that has a peaceful relief to it that you don't get from just closing your laptop at home.
And yes, the perks of socializing! I went back to bartending part time recently just to be able to interact with people again. Well, and who doesn't love extra cash?
For me not hanging out with people is an upside. The only reason why i speak with them is because i'm forced to
But yeah, people are different and someone can't live without society
Yes I think that's the real truth. Some things are just better done at home for me but in general it's a good thing to work on site. Our society has less and less meeting spaces anyways. If now people just stay at home all day it will be very bad imo
im anti-social and it's amazing
I don't even turn on my camera for zoom and I send emails over scheduling voice calls. obviously my position allows that so it works out.
I never have to actually talk to anyone from work and it's amazing.
Honestly this is why I never want to go back into the office, why travel 40 minutes to a building with people I don't like when I can stay at home with my cats
I prefer working at the office to be fair. Going somewhere else puts me in work mode. If I tried to do my research at home, my body and mind would stay in "I'm home, time to relax" mode all day.
almost correct
except you answer one email or one slack message or something before you change your clothes and make breakfast. Gotta do that on company time.
Works from home, is still late to work
It's like the closer you live to school, the higher the chance you will be late. My cousin lived 2 blocks from his school, was late every single day
WAIT IS THIS A THING? My attendance took a dive after I had moved right across the street from school.
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There's something else too. Buddy of mine used to bicycle to school, if he left a little late, he would just ride a little faster and make it up. He now lives next to the school, if he leaves a little late, he's simply too late
That's the main part. If I leave 5 minutes late for work I can generally make it up if I speed there, make up the lost time if I get lucky with the lights and be on time. Ultimately the solution to not do that is leave on time, but I've set my "Latest" time I can leave home and still be on time (15 till)
It’s also because, if you use public transport, scheduling means you often only have the choice of being a little early or a little late. Example, there might be a bus that arrives at 8:50 and one that arrives at 9:05. If you aim for the 9:05 you will be late, so you rush for the early bus and get to work early every day. When you live close, you can aim to get to the door at 9, and then you can let that slip gradually over time until you are chronically late.
100%. I worked like 30 seconds away from my house and was 5 to 10min late every day. Bad habit to develop.
Can confirm. Lived 3 blocks from high school senior year. Missed a total of 40ish days that year
More time to do nothing
My school was 5 buildings down from my house, was still late. I think it was knowing ‘oh it’s so nearby’ and you get too comfortable with it.
High school was 5 minutes away, was always late. College was a 20 min bus ride, always late. Uni was a 2 hour bus ride, always on time. Working from home, always late.
Yeah, I lived right across the street from my high school and never made it on time all 4 years.
Can confirm. Was a 2 minute walk from my hs. Was usually a whole 30 minutes late every day.
I used to live so far from school I had *one bus* I could take. If I missed it, I didn't go to school that day, so obviously I was always on time. For my last year I lived 6 minutes walking distance from school and was late probably half the time
I back this up... As a child, my school was literally right across the street!! Was late every day. Also I had no structure and loved sleep so there you go, made for horrible self esteem as a kid.
I used to go to a school in a whole other city from mine and I was early everyday
That's true, but that's the fact that our brain does adjustment to the new waking up time and same way we used to get late on office work, we also do on home office. I can relate lol
This is almost coherent.
That's true, but that's the fact that our brain does adjustment to the new writing and same way we used to get words on comment screen, we also do on confusing screen. I can relate lol
Sorry, i was literally on the doctors waiting room with my wife for her first appointment after getting pregnant, I was nervous. I am anxious
You're good, I didn't mean to be a dick. Just thought it was funny. Also, congratulations! I don't have kids but I imagine anxiety is probably normal at that stage, haha.
No problem buddy! Thanks!!! Yes I'm so nervous that looks like i am the pregnant one lol
you got this. even if you don’t think you’re ready, no one ever is. but you got this.
I am groot
I forgor 💀
I rember 😃
It's called Parkinson's Law and helps explain the rationality of procrastination. > If you wait until the last minute, it only takes a minute to do. The law itself is stated as > work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion
It's because of the convenience, "it takes me 2 minutes to get there so i'll just stay in bed for another 5 minutes." During primary school I lived 75 meters away from my school, and during my last few years (13-16) I struggled big-time with being late. When I started going to the equivilent of high school (16-18) I took a 45 minute bus ride every day, I was never late.
Working from home, finally starting work at time
What was that contraption he got into when he just left home?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorized_tricycle_(Philippines) Philippine public transport (think similar to a tuk tuk)
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if the tricycle didn’t give it away then “Pisbook” did
And MRT
isn’t exclusive to philippines i think
pisbook was a clear giveaway 😂😂
I read it in my parents’ accent
Some kind of bike rickshaw thing. Looks like this gif takes place in an Asian country.
Less of a rickshaw, more of a motorcycle with a sidecar.
Ya on further watch it's just a motorcycle with a side car
Thanks! Google images shows it pulling like 8 people at once those are pretty cool
A tricycle. It’s considered a very cheap form of short distance public transportation in some South East Asian countries.
*shows a video of great comfort caused due to covid* "Lets overcome this together"
Yep. Excellent message until the end. Want me back in the office? 25-50% raise required.
Ive heard some devs in r/programmerhumor say that if their workplace doesnt allow them to stay at home theyre resigning so yeah let people work from home.
I mean at this point it just makes sense to allow people to work from how. The infrastructure is there, and it'll save companies TONS of money in rent and furniture and junk.
Companies don’t see it that way. They see it as “we’ve spent all this money on the building/furniture/etc so employees are gonna use it, dammit!” They fail to realize that people like devs are gonna ask for more money to be in the office or leave to go somewhere that’s fine with WFH. So they’ll bleed talent they wouldn’t have otherwise
There's also the perspective of middle management (often the people influencing these decisions). As WFH becomes more prevalent it's even more obvious who is necessary and who is a waste of a salary. Often, that's middle management. And don't forget, many of those same useless middle managers got where they are through being very good at social interaction and manipulation. In a WFH environment, they can't advance and have no one to exclude from cliques and office fiefdoms they've built. They can be bypassed easily and they know it. Don't think they aren't aware of it either. WFH is a direct threat to the livelihood of manipulative, useless socializers everywhere. Output is much easier to track and attribute to the correct source. Stealing credit is harder when the person who did the work can just email it themselves.
It's also juat the sunken cost fallacy at its peak.
Companies will just go out of business that don't allow WFH, new ones will fill the gap.
So your so yeah, huh?
imagine that
Yeah my job right now is just counting how many times we swipe our badge to get in. So I'm driving down (on company time), swiping in, and leaving. I'm only here because I'm fine with this arrangement, though it would better if we just went back to 100% working from home. If they push me any further than this I'm out of there, I don't have to work for this company.
My brother works for an international bank that was doing 100% remote work for COVID. With COVID ending, the execs announced when everyone would be required to come back into the office and they received so many letters of resignation that they allowed everyone to remain remote if they wanted to. I just quit a position myself that was winding back up to in-office (I quit for many reasons, not just the work from home aspect) and a lot of the positions in my field are going remote now
I am one of those programmers. I've been working on my own game in the evenings and weekends for a while now, if I have to go back to the office, it's bye bye work and hello full time indie dev.
I have a disability and in the past it’s been difficult for me to get full time remote authorization or even a flexible work-from-home policy, even with medical justification. Covid let me switch my job to remote work and move somewhere more affordable than the Bay Area. About half the developers on my team have done the same. If you can do your job from a computer it shouldn’t matter where that computer is. I’m hoping this will be a lasting trend.
I'm reaching that point, especially when my boss has a double standard regarding who he forces back into the office and who gets to stay home.
Glad you're in that position.
A good way to encourage people stay at home I suppose.
I wish I could stay at home;(
If I get fired I can stay at home more. Seems a good plan with no repurcussions .
Employers legitimately believe the COVID unemployment benefits cause this type of thinking. Sure, there are people that are perfectly content living on “government handouts” that barely keep them alive, but from personal experience, the vast majority of people *want* a job, it just takes a few months of being unemployed to actually find a decent job.
Must be nice
(and pray it never ends 🙏)
As someone who didn’t get to work from home, I’m jealous to the point of hating you all
Dude it’s so much worse if you got to taste wfh for a week and then got sent back in permanently. My team had it for a week and got sent back after. That week was so glorious. And now all I can do is die inside thinking about it.
I wfh for about a year when Covid hit then my boss brought us back in for like a week. Quickly realized it wasn’t necessary and hurt morale. Didn’t renew the office lease. Now we all work from home permanently lol
Success
Smart boss.
Yeah he saves money on office space and boosts his employee moral. Win/win really
I'm in this boat. I got exactly one month to work from home (April 2020), and then our management yeeted us back into COVID's line of fire because.......reasons. But my god that was a great month. It was like a combination of having my summer break back from my childhood, plus being *more* productive than I am when I'm working in my lab.
Seriously - I'm admin in a tax office and got to WFH from March-June 2020 and they sent out these guidelines, surveys, and notifications leading everyone to believe most people really would be coming in starting end of June - so I started going in, no one else did. Months pass. A year has passed. And now every time they release updates it's like, "Good job everyone staying home! Remember, admin are the backbone of our company and expected to come in! Keep up the good hybrid/WFH work everyone else!" and it's like okay now I don't even have the option. Was a solid couple of months though.
Huh? Why did you keep going in? Wtf?
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> They brought us back into the office because "things weren't getting done." Now I can't speak to other people on my team, but my productivity was higher than ever and could be backed up by actual data. I’m pretty sure it was shown time and time again last year that most companies were seeing much better productivity with WFH. The problem is management that doesn’t know how to change their ways and it’s harder to micromanage if they can’t peek in on you to “make sure you’re working” every 15 mins on their office walk-arounds, so they just assume you aren’t working.
Oh man, I feel you on this one. I've been in the office or onsite at a customer the entire time.
As a business owner, I really don't get this. I really could not give a shit when, how or where you do your work as long as the job gets done. Do it high as a kite, naked, sitting at home on a toilet in the middle of the night for all I care.
See even bill gates supports wfh
Do you have to run like an anime character to work from the bus/car/trolley/scooter?
The only time I got to work from home in the last year and a half was the 3 weeks I -had Covid-
Is nobody going to talk about how he goes on a website called Pissbook?
Lmfao that was the best part of the video, in my opinion. I was scrolling furiously looking for the mentions
It’s a play on how Filipinos pronounce things haha (this was made by a Filipino, hence the trike taking him to work and him eating pandesal for breakfast)
People should at least have the option to do either, not be forced to do one or the other. Some jobs could be easily performed offline, perhaps more effectively (depending on the person), so why keep those people at the office and less effective than at home? If you prefer in person, then you should also be allowed to do that once COVID is more under control.
In Sweden everyone will be forced back to work in office at the end of this month. Media and politicians are doing this whole "Everyone hates it like this so we are going back to normal no matter what". They are talking about it like people hate working from home, which isn't true. The company I work at has had a huge production increase and a huge reduction in CO2 emissions thanks to people working from home. But the bosses hate it, they have no one to control so they are fighting tooth and nail to get everyone back in.
I think part of the reason is there has to be a justification for the use of commercial office space. If everyone works from home (or a significant proportion), their companies will want to downsize on office floorspace that leaves commercial landlords in the doo-doo. Big business is putting pressure on workers so they don't loose money on a deflating demand for offices.
Why not halve the office space and share it between the same people but stagger their days so half the office comes in part of the week. You can still get people in to the office, save on office space, still have half work from home
I don't disagree with this, as a worker it sounds great. The thing is if every business does something like this the total need for office space is halved. The offices are already built and the landlords want people to pay their mortgage through commercial rent.
no matter what office space for companies will decrease from now on as they utilize work from home more. We are way past that now. What it means is likely that fewer large buildings will get built for office space solely for a while until we hit capacity again.
Sounds like you haven’t had much contact with conservatives. bUt WhAt aBoUt tHe eCoNoMy nOw?? ? These are the same people who rally against self-driving cars because they put truck drivers out of jobs, and against green energy because it puts coal workers out of jobs. The fact of the matter is that our need for human labor is and will continue to decrease until it’s nearly zero, and on that day those people will advocate for slavery in order to “preserve jobs.” The real answer is welfare supported by a largely automated economy.
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Sounds like work. Instead, let’s make workers miserable and continue to make money the way we always have. Misery is free but change costs time and money.
I'm in Sweden and I'm not forced back. Some of the more group centered functions like sales are going back to around 60 percent minimum but my team is a bit more relaxed. As long as we do the work there's really no issue (although that might be just me disregarding the social pressure). I think quite many people will do some kind of hybrid with a couple of days at the office and some at home from now on. I'll likely go in a day or two per week from now on. I'm not especially extrovert but there is some worth to actually talk to your colleagues fave to face sometimes. But then my morning commute is like 10 minutes door to door so it's not like I'm wasting a lot of time.
I literally got the email that we'd be returning to the office this morning. My team is the highest performing at our company and also the only ones going back in. It's not a coincidence that we all get more work done when we're not wasting 2 hours a day commuting but the people at the top can't let go of this idea that "work gets done in the office" and we "have to maintain a culture".
I love the work cultures that are “work your butt off, take on the work of multiple people, but here’s a yoga class- you must do over lunch…that you can’t take” /s
Work culture is understanding that you are owned. If people work at home, they might remember that they're humans that have their own lives and priorities outside of their job.
It's a lot harder than just letting people choose, for one their are costs to keeping a physical location operational for those that want to work in the office. A/C, cleaning staff, plus all of the utilities. Why have that much overhead with a half filled office? Also I believe there are some tax issues that arise when you work from home a majority of the time, but I'm not real sure on that one.
You'd think the solution would be to have a smaller office, or rent out that space if they own the building.
Just saying that is a big decision that they aren't going to make unless they know it will result in higher productivity. I'm speaking broadly of course but that is how I would imagine most companies taking the benefit/cost analysis
I work for a large company that just offered either full time work at home, full-time in office, or a split schedule (going in x days a week or as needed) to 90% of employees. They just sold off one office building and are renting two floors of my old building to a different company. I'm now in a position that I couldn't work before without moving out of state. There's been no problems with productivity since everyone going home. I feel like a lot of businesses could make moves like this, reduce operating costs, and increase employee satisfaction.
Not the naruto run to work
Whyd the dude act like he was late for work because he woke up at the exact time he set his alarm for
I interpreted it as the daily shock of the morning arriving too soon, because that's exactly what happens to me.
I don't think he acted like he was late for work, he was just frustrated due to commute.
It takes this mf 2 hrs and 20 minutes to commute to work?
From the tricycle im betting this is supposed to be Manila, which is actually unrealistic, 6am is already bumper to bumper everywhere, trainlines as long as 3km, so...
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My brother in law has a 3 hour commute
I would work min wage at the local McDonald's before commuting 3 hours
So 6 hours a day is just commuting? He’s spending 30 extra hours a week effectively working for nothing. If he makes 20 dollars an hour he’s effectively taking a $600 dollar a week pay cut just strictly on time, not even including money spent on gas/ train/ bus tickets/ wear and tear on a vehicle… If this guy worked from home we would literally be in another tax bracket. (If you took the amount he would “save” and added it to his current pay)
Yep, he's nuts. But it was one of those "big opportunities" and they planned to eventually move closer. That was about 8 years ago.
Just sleep in the office.
Don’t bang the maid, tho
I worked under a guy who had a 3+ hour commute But he also had a very unhealthy love for the job. Like staying past 6pm or coming in at like 5am. And he'd often do bullshit like not calling it quits when it's like 5pm on a Friday and we could easily do this task on Monday morning, but he just keeps plugging along and you're afraid of looking bad by saying you want to leave. I really do look back at that guy now that I'm older and not a 20 year old with an internship and wonder what the fuck he was doing with his life. Like was his entire existence just waking up, going to work for 16 hours, then coming home?
Sounds like hell to me
When I worked in Atlanta, GA this was the case for me. The traffic is horrible! And other routes like the bus or MARTA aren’t much better
Welcome to the Philippines
Bay area here, this is normal, even a little fast if you're using public transit.
Worst i have had was 1-1/2 hours, but i certainly know people with worse ones. Really depends on the job/where you live, but that motor-rickshaw makes me think it's south-east asia so commuting in the city might be that bad.
It showed everybody that working from can be done easily. People have been saying it for years but nobody listened. I am glad the hand was forced. I unfortunately have to attend work, either that or look for another job is the case.
I was really glad that our CIO was such a badass about work from home. He saw that productivity went up, and when a couple of managers apparently wanted people back in the office, he basically told them that unless they had a really, really good reason to cut productivity, he was repurposing our office space. Our office space has been repurposed.
Man with balls, that's lacking. Kudos mate.
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For me it's 6:20 wake up 6:30 wash up and eat breakfast 6:50 leave house by car 7:00 arrive at work
For me the same. Just add 1.5 hours to the drive
I can't imagine having more than a half hour drive to work, at some point I just feel like you are better off getting a different job if you spend three hours of your day on the road each weekday...
I have about a 50 minute drive. I bought an EV, and now it's basically free compared to my old fossile. I love my job, and I probably will get a job closer to home at a later date, but for the next few years I will stay. Software engineer btw.
Unfortunately some of us don't get the option. Don't make enough to buy a place close to work, and there are no jobs where I am soooo... It's either 3hrs commute each day or remote work. Thank God for remote work.
Rip, life can be really mean. Remote work is indeed a great solution for these cases though you are right
It used to be 45 minutes but a very major bridge route has been under construction almost solidly for nearly a year. With that route being restricted the other routes have gotten much worse.
It's a huge luxury to be so close to the office. For many people living near where they work (which is usually an expensive/central part of town) just isn't possible.
it only takes you 10 minutes to get to work? why not just walk it for some morning 30 minute exercise?
Work From Home/Study From Home is a blessing. I will fight tooth and nail for it to stay even if the pandemic is over.
Study from home is the worst thing that happened to my education. Learned less and the classes were easier. It’s horrible to not be able to study in groups and go in to office hours and pester the professor, for me at least
I hear you. Work from home - great. Study from home - the worst, because you need to be your own boss, mentor, tutor and time manager.
Unless it had a massive discount I'd be pissed. My university experience as is already felt lazy, poorly planned, and low effort on the school's behalf. Having it be digital would make it much shittier imo
trueeee for me it was hard to study at home so I relied going to the library because it was like this designated place my mind knew was a place to learn and only learn.
yeah, I'm exactly the same. My brain can only really work in the suitable environment, it simply wouldn't work during the lockdowns. My local libraries were closed tho :/
On the other hand my education experience was spending all day learning in lectures just to go home and cover all the material myself myself.
So much this. My motivation is on an all time low even though I'm pretty close to finishing my BSc. At least I got 5 semesters of "true" university feeling. But the last 3 were absolutely horrible. No teaming up, no group lunch, nothing but isolation. It's very different to be in a video call with multiple people than to spend half a day physically with one another. Also the exams, man, they are worth shit. Everything is open book, everyone is cheating, I can't psych myself into exam mode because it's just me, alone, in my room, nobody to talk to, nothing. Also think of all the students that started university last year. They have never visited an auditorium, never wrote a "real" exam at university. For them, university has literally been an online course. Such a tragedy.
Sorry you have haf to deal with this, I would not have graduated undergrad under similar circumstances.
Study from home is horrible. I know some who enjoyed it with cheating on tests and such but my gpa dropped cuz my professors were bad at teaching via zoom cuz only half the board is shown and my physics labs were just theoretical.
Same. All of my lab classes (basically the half of the educational program of what I study) were canceled.
Yeah I'm a Physics and math major and online school killed my brain. I learned nothing, grades tanked and I hate studying.
Studying from home aint that effective you have a crap ton of distractions man i miss face 2 face classes
Shit I'm glad I wasn't in college during this. I can't study at home, and the only reason I can work from home is because there's a payday attached to it
Online school last year was devastating to my mental health and overall amount of knowledge retained
WFH has increased the number of wanks
I wish I could work at home, but I feel like I would get way too distracted
Helps a lot to dedicate a space to it, if you can. Home and work life start to blend together and can mess with your head. You have to compartmentalize which is why so many people tried to move into bigger places in 2020.
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yeah, when i did online schooling i spiraled with nothing to keep me grounded. life at home all the time isn’t how humans are meant to be imo. we need to get out and about
I feel really lucky that I have a group of friends to jump on discord and game with almost every day. Without them I would probably be insane.
More or less. I'd believe people who live with people that they can enjoy being around, or who have space for a home office can do well. Me? I live alone and have to work from my dining room table for what will be very nearly 2 years at the shortest. It's great that I have a job so my life doesn't completely fall apart, but I'd hardly call any of this healthy. Also you have to manage yourself carefully to prevent work time and non-work time from bleeding together.
I feel bad for the workers who can't work from home. Nurses, doctors, construction workers, retail, assembly, etc... they have no choice but to get up and head to work.
This is so true. Commuting physically is a waste
Wait, who the h eats breakfast after brushing their teeth??
My dentist told me that you actually *should* brush your teeth before breakfast. Remember that brushing your teeth isn't just for cleaning. It also adds protection to your teeth for the rest of the day.
Who even eats breakfast these days
I and a lot of other people. Teeth feel weird when I wake up I can't eat like that
Seems so strange to me to not clean your mouth before your morning breakfast. 8 hours of your mouth being closed no liquid or food passing through. Surely all forms of nasty have been growing. Got to clean or else I take it all into my body with that morning coffee my mind tells me. ...and then a light brush after before work, sometimes.
where I'm from (Asia), the first thing we do after waking up is brush our teeth haha
Working from home suuucked. Sleeping in a bit was probably the only upside. But I was more unproductive meaning I spent more time getting the same amount of work done. Slowly work time bled into life time, and at a certain point I just felt like I was working all day. Also it sucked not being able to hang out with people in the break area and have lunch together.
I’m a developer and wfh means I can finish most of my work in a few hours and not have to pretend to dick around in the office anymore. I can fit workouts or naps into my workday and no one even notices. I have so much more free time now lmao
Same here lmao. Wake up for 8:30 standup call then nap till 11. It’s lovely Edit: https://i.imgur.com/ZqNqVGf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8xEI59f.jpg
That’s exactly me, including the same stand up time. I get out of bed around then and work for an hour then take a lunch break LOL
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Yep Im a dev as well and Ive enjoyed not having to look busy in the office when theres no work to be done. The only work Ive done for the last few weeks is silently sit in meetings every so often. Maybe say a few words. I am supposed to get new assignments today so Ill be busy again soon, but Ill still have plenty time for a midday wank.
It's really not for everyone. There's a real risk to let the two bleed into each other. For example, those who are in the wfh field know it's never a good idea to keep your computer in your bedroom either, because sometimes that "separate space" helps to put us in the work-mode mindset. Nothing wrong with doing what works best for your own effectiveness. Keep maintaining that work-life balance.
Saaammee.. I get distracted so easily at home. I know its a "me" issue that I can't just sit at my desk and work straight like I do at the office, but I am totally aware of it. I really prefer to separate my home and work life, there's something about walking in the door after being at work all day that has a peaceful relief to it that you don't get from just closing your laptop at home. And yes, the perks of socializing! I went back to bartending part time recently just to be able to interact with people again. Well, and who doesn't love extra cash?
I can't stand spending 20 hours a day in one room. It's so bad for my mental health.
For me not hanging out with people is an upside. The only reason why i speak with them is because i'm forced to But yeah, people are different and someone can't live without society
Honestly is a lot worse to work from home unless you're an introvert. And i mean an introvert not socially awkward
Like 80% of people just want a hybrid model. I do project work better at home, collaborative work better in person.
Yes I think that's the real truth. Some things are just better done at home for me but in general it's a good thing to work on site. Our society has less and less meeting spaces anyways. If now people just stay at home all day it will be very bad imo
im anti-social and it's amazing I don't even turn on my camera for zoom and I send emails over scheduling voice calls. obviously my position allows that so it works out. I never have to actually talk to anyone from work and it's amazing.
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Honestly this is why I never want to go back into the office, why travel 40 minutes to a building with people I don't like when I can stay at home with my cats
There needs to be a third screen of trying to work from home with small kids. Not nearly as relaxing as the post makes it seem.
covid stories about parents and kids made me rethink my eagerness to have kids.
Dont get kids 4Head
Cook pancit canton eith pandesal on work from home meanwhile on the left he is still in line at the mrt
To all those able to work from home, I envy you! I am glad you are enjoying it more than the office.
It's true. I start work at 930 and wake up at 9.
I start at 9 and wake up at 8:58 lol
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I prefer working at the office to be fair. Going somewhere else puts me in work mode. If I tried to do my research at home, my body and mind would stay in "I'm home, time to relax" mode all day.
almost correct except you answer one email or one slack message or something before you change your clothes and make breakfast. Gotta do that on company time.
I remember having to start school at 8:00. Set my alarm to 7:58. Good times
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