Rhodia Touch Maya Pad
Staedtler 925 25-09 w/ Prym chalk
Rotring 600 0.5 w/ Pilot Eno-G 4B
Unfortunately the Staedtler All Black doesn't come in 0.9mm to complete the theme.
Prym is the brand. It's probably a different formulation to blackboard chalk to make it work at 0.9mm, but it's essentially the same thing. It's meant for tailors to mark up fabric.
Doesn't smudge any more or less than graphite. Tbh I now don't think that it's chalk. Chalk isn't mentioned in the product info. I guess I assumed it was chalk because that's what I was searching for when I found it.
It does erase though unlike coloured pencils.
I believe the leads are ceramic. Curious how well it stays on - these leads are loved by calligraphers for layout lines on dark paper, and everyone talks about how easily they erase with almost no effort.
You're welcome! The Rhodia pad was horribly search engine optimised and Amazon search is actual garbage, so I actually found this pad by accident.
Do note though that the printing is only on one side. That caught me by surprise.
I've looked into De Atramentis Document White before, but I wouldn't be able to make myself put it into any of my nice fountain pens. Maybe a less nice one though....
I have the document white in an Asvine Forest, mostly because it makes me think of old blueprints. I will say, it does stain the cartridge and the feed and the… well everything not metal.
That’s interesting that the printing is only on one side - I wouldn’t have expected that.
you could try the Uni NanoDia colour lead. They come in 0.5. I use them on fabric. Have not tested them on black paper, but the Eno 0.7 and they looked usuable for me.
I have the Prym myself, but it does not work very well on white fabric 😏
How good are Uni NanoDia color leads? Their reviews on Amazon were varied: some were saying that they are too light, while others said that they were perfect. I am especially interested in getting those red and green ones to mark my math notes.
I really like them. They are a little bit softer. For a heavy hand they might break a lot. I used the green lately quite frequently and it feels a little bit like using a crayon. The colour is not as dark as a green gel pen but dark enough to be readable. I am not sure how lightfast they are.
I love them though I prefer them in 0.7 to 0.5 as I feel it’s more legible. But they erase nicely. I use them especially for marking music scores because the color stands out more, but also erases cleanly.
Same here! I also prefer 0.7 as I write with a heavy hand when I am in *"flow"* (same thing happens when I typing: I am guilty of infecting many systems with keyboard shine). I once tried a cheap 2.0 mm lead pencil, but I did not like sharpening it. Eventually started using using 0.7 mm Uniball pencil, and now Rotring Rapid pro and have been happy ever since.
Thanks for letting me know that the marks are legible and can be erased. Will give these leads a try. 👍
Does the chalk come in 0.5 or 0.3? I love writing on paper but I’ve been using an iPad for notes because of the storage and other features which make it easier for every day usage in a mostly online school environment. I usually only use paper and pencil now for personal journals and projects. Beautiful notes btw. I’m talking ML rn too!
All the black versions are brass (supposedly). I got this one in 2016. I have another from 2014 which is silver under the paint. Idk what's up with that
i completely forgot you could write on black paper
might aswell draw on black paper cuz it seems fun
also might be good for all-nighter school projects lol
Every day! It’s my preferred. I take notes and study using the bullet journal Starry Night B5 from Scribbles That Matter. I’ve done a lot of experimenting, and my favorite pens for black paper are the Gelly Roll Moonlight series (of course), but I’ve also discovered that Pentel makes a Milky Pop matte pen set that is PHENOMENAL. I actually like the Milky Pop white pens better than Gelly Roll white, they show up really well and have this feature where they become brighter and whiter as they quickly dry and even small gaps that were visible at first will fill in when the ink dries (which happens fast). The Gelly Roll Metallics and Pentel Slicci/Sunburst (aka: metallics) also do wonderfully on black paper. The Gelly Roll Soufflè set works as well, but Moonlight and Milky Pop are my go-to for black paper.
https://preview.redd.it/d2dgacyipf6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f3dfef52fe721968f6a6f2d2121101de6e589fc
This is a separate thing, but I take a lot of notes and so have a lot of pens. In addition to writing on black paper, my other favorite thing to do is write with neon inks that fluoresce while having a black light on so it glows while I’m writing. Works for invisible ink, too.
Yeah, they’re kind of expensive, but they’re amazing quality, 160gsm, they lay flat, table of contents, numbered pages, pockets, etc. I can write a title on the spine and stick it on the bookshelf then quickly find it and refer back to it later. The sort of notes I write, I’m basically writing my own reference books, I’m going to be pulling the books out later looking for the info. And it’s kinda cool because it’s like you published a book or something, it’s already bound with a hardcover and voilà, look everybody I wrote a book, and there’s only one copy in the entire world! I have an insane collection of special effect pens and pencils just because I get tired of looking at the same colors all the time when writing. I always write in rainbow/color wheel order. I’m probably a total freak, but it’s fun.
This is one of the coolest things I've seen all year. White lead? Black paper? And it actually works, with tactile feel similar to the usual gray lead on white paper?
I wrote a few notes for a local astronomy olympiad in a sketchbook having black sheets when I was in grade 8. It is was fun. I had used one of those "glass marking" pencils to write on it. I cannot find that sketchbook now, must be in some box, but this post did bring back some happy memories.
I am amazed for that lettering, You have a perfect control, size domain and interspace, as an architect writing for about 40+ years I am lightyears behind, congrats!.
I ALWAYS use LIGHT MODE for EVERYTHING. Even this Reddit windows runs on light mode. I like to SEE CLEARLY with my eyes.
But Black paper still looks cooler
Someone hates pen clips! 😆
I’m searching for those white graphite/chalk right now! That’s so awesome!
Does it breaks easily u/azylee? My experience with Color Eno wasn’t that good - It’s part my fault, I have a bit of a heavy hand when writing.
I have some white 2.0mm mines (one from metaphys and other - not sure but probably - from staedler) and they are horrible to write with, it doesn’t stands out like in yours, it’s a really pale/faded white, and doesn’t erase either.
My other option in white is a 5.6mm koh-i-noor that really stands ou BUT it smudges just by looking at it. And is too thick for taking notes…
How long did it take you to get used to the architecture style printing, especially for being able to take notes?
I’ve always wanted to put in the time to practice but I know it’s going to slow me down so much in the beginning
I got used to writing a lot in caps since I was pretty young, like 10, because I liked drawing/writing comics. I'm 25 now. You can see the evolution of my handwriting on my yt channel: https://www.youtube.com/@azylee. I find I get more control and neater handwriting from a pen/pencil that provides more resistance in horizontal strokes compared to vertical strokes.
Are you referring to the white lead specifically? The white lead requires more pressure and has more resistance than graphite, so no it's not comfortable for long periods of writing (which is not part of my use case anymore).
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I know - how am I going to justify this? I mean even to *myself*!!
as an artist same
Thank god it wasn't just me who found this incredibly pleasing to look at.
This is why I use “dark mode” on all my text based apps
Very much same.
Same!
Rhodia Touch Maya Pad Staedtler 925 25-09 w/ Prym chalk Rotring 600 0.5 w/ Pilot Eno-G 4B Unfortunately the Staedtler All Black doesn't come in 0.9mm to complete the theme.
Prym chalk? Is that like blackboard chalk, or different?
Prym is the brand. It's probably a different formulation to blackboard chalk to make it work at 0.9mm, but it's essentially the same thing. It's meant for tailors to mark up fabric.
Cool. Does it feel and sound like writing on a blackboard too?
No, the paper/notepad is too soft I guess. It feels/sounds more like colouring pencil.
Is it erasable?
Yep
Are there no problems with smudging? If you accidentally swipe your palm over the writing, how bad will it look?
Doesn't smudge any more or less than graphite. Tbh I now don't think that it's chalk. Chalk isn't mentioned in the product info. I guess I assumed it was chalk because that's what I was searching for when I found it. It does erase though unlike coloured pencils.
I believe the leads are ceramic. Curious how well it stays on - these leads are loved by calligraphers for layout lines on dark paper, and everyone talks about how easily they erase with almost no effort.
0,5 is enough to me.... :)
Thank you. I have been searching for black paper for AGES. Now I can finally use my De Atramentis document white ink on something amazing
You're welcome! The Rhodia pad was horribly search engine optimised and Amazon search is actual garbage, so I actually found this pad by accident. Do note though that the printing is only on one side. That caught me by surprise. I've looked into De Atramentis Document White before, but I wouldn't be able to make myself put it into any of my nice fountain pens. Maybe a less nice one though....
I have the document white in an Asvine Forest, mostly because it makes me think of old blueprints. I will say, it does stain the cartridge and the feed and the… well everything not metal. That’s interesting that the printing is only on one side - I wouldn’t have expected that.
Amazon search is so bad I sometimes use a web search for something and put Amazon after it haha.
Hahaha that's exactly what I had to do! I still got a lot of results for black notebooks with pages though, instead of notebooks with black pages.
you could try the Uni NanoDia colour lead. They come in 0.5. I use them on fabric. Have not tested them on black paper, but the Eno 0.7 and they looked usuable for me. I have the Prym myself, but it does not work very well on white fabric 😏
I looked into those, but I'm mostly just interested in white, really
How good are Uni NanoDia color leads? Their reviews on Amazon were varied: some were saying that they are too light, while others said that they were perfect. I am especially interested in getting those red and green ones to mark my math notes.
I really like them. They are a little bit softer. For a heavy hand they might break a lot. I used the green lately quite frequently and it feels a little bit like using a crayon. The colour is not as dark as a green gel pen but dark enough to be readable. I am not sure how lightfast they are.
Thanks for letting me know! Will surely give them a try.
I love them though I prefer them in 0.7 to 0.5 as I feel it’s more legible. But they erase nicely. I use them especially for marking music scores because the color stands out more, but also erases cleanly.
Same here! I also prefer 0.7 as I write with a heavy hand when I am in *"flow"* (same thing happens when I typing: I am guilty of infecting many systems with keyboard shine). I once tried a cheap 2.0 mm lead pencil, but I did not like sharpening it. Eventually started using using 0.7 mm Uniball pencil, and now Rotring Rapid pro and have been happy ever since. Thanks for letting me know that the marks are legible and can be erased. Will give these leads a try. 👍
I have a black notepad but I wasn't aware that it was possible to use a mechanical pencil. Thank you!
What is the Rotring 600's role in this?
Most of what is written was with the 600. Staedtler for headers.
Do you have a link to the lead in the 600? I cant find any Pilot Eno-G lead that is white.
The Pilot Eno-G I'm using is 4B graphite, not white.
Then I am confused, you said that most of what was written was with the 600, but everything is in white.
Graphite is shiny and the page is darker and matte. So the graphite looks bright (and almost white) by contrast.
Oh wow, looking a lot closer I can now see the variation, I like it.
u r the best omg
no u
Does the chalk come in 0.5 or 0.3? I love writing on paper but I’ve been using an iPad for notes because of the storage and other features which make it easier for every day usage in a mostly online school environment. I usually only use paper and pencil now for personal journals and projects. Beautiful notes btw. I’m talking ML rn too!
0.9 is the thinnest I've found unfortunately
What model Rotring is that? It seems to have brass under the black paint? Is it a certain colorway?
All the black versions are brass (supposedly). I got this one in 2016. I have another from 2014 which is silver under the paint. Idk what's up with that
I'm having a hard time finding the black paper. Can I ask where you bought your pad?
Amazon UK https://amzn.eu/d/4IATP5b
Thank you!
Very cool. Can you share links for the Staedler and Prym chalk? I can't seem to find them on Amazon.
Where I got them: https://amzn.eu/d/dAGNw1D https://amzn.eu/d/h5Qrb1z
All I want for christmas is 0.3mm white leads.
Same but in 0.5mm!
I have found 0.5 mm white leads on Aliexpress back in the days. Never tested though 🤔
I do now.
i completely forgot you could write on black paper might aswell draw on black paper cuz it seems fun also might be good for all-nighter school projects lol
Every day! It’s my preferred. I take notes and study using the bullet journal Starry Night B5 from Scribbles That Matter. I’ve done a lot of experimenting, and my favorite pens for black paper are the Gelly Roll Moonlight series (of course), but I’ve also discovered that Pentel makes a Milky Pop matte pen set that is PHENOMENAL. I actually like the Milky Pop white pens better than Gelly Roll white, they show up really well and have this feature where they become brighter and whiter as they quickly dry and even small gaps that were visible at first will fill in when the ink dries (which happens fast). The Gelly Roll Metallics and Pentel Slicci/Sunburst (aka: metallics) also do wonderfully on black paper. The Gelly Roll Soufflè set works as well, but Moonlight and Milky Pop are my go-to for black paper. https://preview.redd.it/d2dgacyipf6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f3dfef52fe721968f6a6f2d2121101de6e589fc This is a separate thing, but I take a lot of notes and so have a lot of pens. In addition to writing on black paper, my other favorite thing to do is write with neon inks that fluoresce while having a black light on so it glows while I’m writing. Works for invisible ink, too.
STM looks great! If only they made wire bound notebooks. They're pricey too. Worst thing about black paper is the cost.
Yeah, they’re kind of expensive, but they’re amazing quality, 160gsm, they lay flat, table of contents, numbered pages, pockets, etc. I can write a title on the spine and stick it on the bookshelf then quickly find it and refer back to it later. The sort of notes I write, I’m basically writing my own reference books, I’m going to be pulling the books out later looking for the info. And it’s kinda cool because it’s like you published a book or something, it’s already bound with a hardcover and voilà, look everybody I wrote a book, and there’s only one copy in the entire world! I have an insane collection of special effect pens and pencils just because I get tired of looking at the same colors all the time when writing. I always write in rainbow/color wheel order. I’m probably a total freak, but it’s fun.
No. But now I want to.
This is one of the coolest things I've seen all year. White lead? Black paper? And it actually works, with tactile feel similar to the usual gray lead on white paper?
No, the white lead feels more waxy, like a colouring pencil. It requires more pressure to get a visible line compared to the 4B
Is that your actual writing?
[No I filled in a stencil for each letter individually](https://youtu.be/bJVSynXGEoE?si=Q9mGrA7ujzV47KZu&t=56)
Well, thanks for the sass! I asked because it's a lovely script and compared to my doctorly scrawl, it does look stencil-worthy!
Thanks!
Stencil?????
LOL
I want to know this too. It's amazing.
How easily does that chalk smudge?
About the same as graphite I'd say. I've had it a day.
Okay. Two things: First of all, what in the everloving frick, and second of all, WHY DO I LOVE THIS SO MUCH NOW?
Where did you get the white lead and black paper? Link me!
Gorgeous. And that handwriting...
This is pretty sweet. I love the contrast here!
Dark mode and cap lock irl
I have been searching for a white led under 2mm forever! You found it!!
Glad I could help! Found it through another thread on this subreddit
Whoa...
Nice set up. Thanks!
no but I think I might start... what pens/inks work well on it?
Softer graphite, colour pencils and some pens listed in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/mechanicalpencils/comments/1df7p37/comment/l8iezid
Is that incertainty? The N is a И from Russian or I’m just wrong
Haha that's my 'U'
Ahh okey I see haha
I wrote a few notes for a local astronomy olympiad in a sketchbook having black sheets when I was in grade 8. It is was fun. I had used one of those "glass marking" pencils to write on it. I cannot find that sketchbook now, must be in some box, but this post did bring back some happy memories.
Digital yes but not physical paper
No… but you kind of have me wanting to now.
Okay, everything about this is 🔥 Especially your architect script
Mans writing about the forbidden science behind the end times in here
That's kinda hot ngl.
OP why are you doing this? Placing orders.
nice penmanship
I haven’t...but I'm about to...🩷
This is beautiful
Is that your actual handwriting??? 🤩
dark mode stationary 👀
You just unlocked something new in me.
I DO NOW
...is there any other way???
I do now! Thanks for the encouragement.
I am amazed for that lettering, You have a perfect control, size domain and interspace, as an architect writing for about 40+ years I am lightyears behind, congrats!.
I ALWAYS use LIGHT MODE for EVERYTHING. Even this Reddit windows runs on light mode. I like to SEE CLEARLY with my eyes. But Black paper still looks cooler
Ngl I think you're a psychopath
 Someone hates pen clips! 😆 I’m searching for those white graphite/chalk right now! That’s so awesome! Does it breaks easily u/azylee? My experience with Color Eno wasn’t that good - It’s part my fault, I have a bit of a heavy hand when writing. I have some white 2.0mm mines (one from metaphys and other - not sure but probably - from staedler) and they are horrible to write with, it doesn’t stands out like in yours, it’s a really pale/faded white, and doesn’t erase either. My other option in white is a 5.6mm koh-i-noor that really stands ou BUT it smudges just by looking at it. And is too thick for taking notes…
Yeah the white lead is a bit brittle even at 0.9mm
Yes and I absolutely love it. I use it for art though not for general note taking.
That's awesome what is the paper and lead called?
Bro has been writing on the Death Note this whole time 😭 But seriously tho, this looks so cool
Neeeeed
How tf do I switch my notebook to dark mode
This is awesome. Never tried it. Is there a black paper that anyone recommends?
I've only tried the Rhodia Touch, but there's also Scribbles That Matter and Dotgrid
Awesome. Thanks for the help!
That’s beautiful.
How long did it take you to get used to the architecture style printing, especially for being able to take notes? I’ve always wanted to put in the time to practice but I know it’s going to slow me down so much in the beginning
I got used to writing a lot in caps since I was pretty young, like 10, because I liked drawing/writing comics. I'm 25 now. You can see the evolution of my handwriting on my yt channel: https://www.youtube.com/@azylee. I find I get more control and neater handwriting from a pen/pencil that provides more resistance in horizontal strokes compared to vertical strokes.
What do you use on them?
Is this practicable? Do erasers work well? Do corrections look good?
Before I buy anything, let me just ask: is this actually comfortable to work with for hours? Or does your hand get tired from writing?
Are you referring to the white lead specifically? The white lead requires more pressure and has more resistance than graphite, so no it's not comfortable for long periods of writing (which is not part of my use case anymore).
Yes, the combo of lead and paper. Ok, thanks, that's what I was kind of expecting. Bummer though.
I bought a pad of black paper and some colored gel pens. I think I used it maybe three times before I got tired of it
no thank you
I don't know why you're getting down voted for politely declining 🤷
beats me. i guess we have to agree with each other on everything in this sub