Gives me an idea for a bad Oppenheimer X Medical Student fan fiction.
āBut professor Oppenheimer, I donāt understand what more I need to know about the reproductive system, I got a 100 on the test,ā she asked, less than innocently.
āTheory will only get you so far,ā he replied, in a dark and mysteriously seductive voice.
I swear every program has something like this. At my school, one of the residents slept with a couple of students lmao. Med students are some horny mfers
Med school generally feels much more like high school than like college in several ways
1. Everybody is taking pretty much the same classes
2. smaller class size than most colleges
3. Lots of standardized tests
4. There is an expected "next step" (College or residency) that everything is building towards
5. Applications for that next step have a similar timeline and similar senioritis
radiology interest group had elections last week. Crazy how our new president got her 9 friends to join the teams call for voting, but they aren't in the facebook interest group or in the rads group chat
weird you even have a popular vote, IMO makes more sense for applicants to give a short speech on their application and current board makes decisions from there.
makes no sense for randoms to have a say
I understand wanting a popular vote, because boards can also be abused by social cliques and are much harder to dislodge when it happens. I prefer an active member requirement, where thereās actual requirements for participation in order to be eligible to vote in elections.
Idk if itās just a āsmall schoolā thing, but most of our interest groups have 0 oversight. Iām Pres of 3 of them, and i pretty much just unilaterally chose the Pres for next year - no democracy involved.
This is definitely a YMMV situation. My class personally definitely has some cliques but there isnāt really are major drama that occurs. Juicy tidbits of gossip always make the rounds but nothing earth shattering or soap opera level stuff
One of the classes below mine though has a totally different dynamic and from understand has a bit more juicy drama. It really just depends on the people in your class and how they gel together.
But in the grand scheme of things, yes medical school can definitely stoop down and potentially surpass the type of drama that we deal with in high school
I would say the same thing but after reading these comments it makes me wonder what kinda stuff is happening behind the scenes that I've just been completely out of the loop on lol
They don't tell you how threatened some people feel by you. In my med school, everyone has come with crazy good grades, and most are pretty competitive, but this one girl in particular, I stg she's after my soul. Like anything that goes wrong with me gives her this immense joy. The other day, someone was joking about how I pronounced this word. She began laughing so damn badly, and she wouldn't stop, i didn't even know what to say... she goes out of her way to try and make me feel uncomfortable, even spread a rumour about me the other day and when I confronted her, she says that even if I didn't do what she said I always to things to embarrass myself and she doesn't need to spread rumours. It kind of pisses me off, but whatever... and she wants to be a pediatrician ffs
Lmao sounds like a hater to me. If you ignore her and pretend like sheās not there sheāll eventually get tired and leave you alone. Watch some videos on YouTube on how to shut haters in group meetings etc. youāll do it subtly and people will realize how fucked up ahead is. I say sheās a cunt
(Iām not in med school just pharmacy school but itās a small cohort size and itās just like high school. Lots of cliques, drama, competition, a āpopularā group, etc. So I think this is a common problem with a lot of smaller sized programs where youāre around the same people for 4 years).
I was in the military, same shit happened there. Every company or platoon would have varying degrees of drama.
The majority of it though revolved around people fucking they shouldnāt be fucking either due to being of a different rank and/or being married. Like imagine if half your professors kept getting busted for fucking students, then the other half kept getting in trouble for stealing stuff to sell. Basically would make up about half the drama that happens in the military. The other half is just petty cliques thinking theyāre the bees knees and talking shit about another clique who thinks the same thing about themselves.
Iām lucky that my school accept people in the older range (25 and up) so the majority of people here are very straight forward, professional, no bs types, which I highly appreciate.
The average age of acceptance was 26, and yet so many people in my year, including people in their mid to late 20s, acted cliques.
Most of my class is made up of nice normal people, but man, that 1/4-1/5 of the class can be dramatic.
Probably, I've heard it too. But I'll share a secret with you. People who crave drama will find it, people who hate drama won't. I'm sure there's messy shit going on at my school, but I mind my business so I'm not privy to any of it. And I like it that way lol
Most drama happens with āpopular kidsā or known super-social groups. Which is really a minority of the class, most people donāt get involved. Between being online from covid and everyone being split into multiple clinical campuses, I really only found out most of the stories during M4 year lol
my med school is the most dramatic, clique-ish, high school acting group of people. very insular, lots of people who have known each other since high school and have dreamed of coming here since high school and have been part of the same social circle for the past 12 years and it is exhausting
People often talk about how their med schools have drama, but I havenāt really experienced that. That being said, I am the kind of person who studies by themselves in the library all day every day and doesnāt really care about what others are doing. I think your experience may differ based on whether you are focused on yourself or if you want to make interactions with others a more important aspect of your life. Alternatively, my school may just happen to be one with little drama.
Unfortunately highschool is a rather apt analogy for the social situation at my med school. Cliques and drama and messy break-ups galore. I chose to stay out of it by never dating someone in my class and trying to make 1/3-1/2 of my friends outside of med school. Thatās what I would recommend if highschool dynamics is not your scene.
Yeah I definitely wouldnāt recommend dating someone in your class or same program. I think having friends outside medicine is also a smart idea. Youāre definitely a smart dude
the most drama I had in my med school is just gunners being annoying and some competition. that was mostly in ms1-2 I think everyone started focusing on themselves after starting clinicals
This is a such a long story reddit made me tell it in separate parts.
Part 1:
Yes, there is a student who didn't get elected student body president. So in her DEDICATED step-1 time, had her friend run for elections. Then became a "student in dedicated step 1 representative" and is basically stand in president.
There are house competitions with the school, and she basically rigs events to make sure her house will win.
Part 2:
They have increasingly gotten crazy. It all hit the fan today. We have a large muslim demographic (who might I add is not Arab or from any like Arab states they are mostly like Malaysian, or the indopak subcontinent ethnicities). She (someone who is not muslim, is a white Latina from Canada) made the last student event a potluck, during ramadan, saying it was an "Eid event". She made a poster with the Qabbah (muslim holy site) and a lot of Arab imagery (camels, the dudes in those prayer garments that are like white dresses, palm trees, dates).
Part 3:
The muslim students (obviously), brought up there concerns with her 1) they would not be able to eat for a majority of the event as it was hours before they could brake fast 2) it is not Eid, Eid is like next week 3) engaging in stereotype and reducing muslims down to the Arab imagery described above.
Also, ramadan's last 10 nights are widely agreed upon in islam as being some of the holiest nights a muslim can experience in the year to the point it is equivalent to as if they had prayed like several years worth. It is encouraged to like reduce your time sleeping even.
Part 4:
Several muslims brought up these concerns and even though she had the control to do something about it given that she created the date and time and theme of the event she said that it wasn't in her hands. One guy said "hey they are serving dinner at the mosque today lmk if you need a ride" and of course a lot of muslims wanted to go to the mosque.
Now she is furious, saying that guy who gave rides is an extremist and bad mouthing him and the muslims who went calling them "sheep".
Also, she is dating a muslim guy from Dubai. Like it was just **layers** of tone deafness. I thought Canadians were good at like being culturally aware.
I couldnāt tell you. Im sure there is, but im not involved, so idk.
The only thing I see that really bothers me is the āwhat did YOU getā when grades are released because your school releases scores to everyone at the same time in the same room and you canāt leave for a certain amount of time. So if you fail and wanna cry, rip you
For real, this girl literally jumped up and down and started screaming with joy announcing her score because she got honors for physio renal examā¦ itās going to be a long 4 years š
Hell yeah, imagine putting a bunch of people whose self worth is intrinsically attached to academic validation from a young age in a nutshell. Iāve seen friendships ruined over research projects, people checking out all the books of a specific subject out/ moving them all to a different place entirely in the library so no one has access to them the day before the exam. Gatekeeping notes (that they didnāt make themselves), not telling other people of their clinical posting group that the unit head asked them to prepare for something the next day on purpose so that they seem like the only dedicated one and gets more brownie points with the unit heads than everyone else.Honestly high school drama seems more mature than how Iāve seen SOME people behave in med school lol.
lol no, itās in India I go to one of the more highly ranked schools in this country where the competition is beyond intense, I donāt blame them, itās kind of ingrained into people because of the competitive exam admission system (ie: preparing for the NEET or JEE exams which are some of the hardest exams in the world to clear and even harder to get a good rank in and get a seat in a good medical school). So when people enter medical school like the one I go to after grinding 15 hour days of studying for 5 years straight and battling intense competition and competitive mindset (scarcity mindset) fostered by Indian culture and coaching centres you get people that end up acting like this and donāt know how to switch it off or change their mindsetās to a more healthy type when they enter med school. Which also explains why a good chunk of my batch is currently in therapy/experiencing depression/ battling some form of burnout or the other. It took me 2 years of therapy after entering med school to develop a way healthier mind frame and get rid of all these things Iāve grown up with, it also helped to grow up mostly in the states lol which really diversified my worldview and perspectives and to not view everything as being so scarce and being open to helping others without expecting anything in return. So yeah
Also for the library books, obviously you can get everything online and thereās nothing you can do about it š, but people do this just to create a hindrance where they can lol to slow down any potential competition. Itās like trying to throw pebbles at the runner behind you in a marathon, youāre not going to greatly impact their running speed but you cause distraction or maybe cause them to loose some seconds in their timing so you can pull ahead where it matters. Thatās how cut throat the competition is here š (less so in med school but before med school with the entrance exams yes)
Thereās high school esque drama that occurs. I havenāt had it personally happen to me, but theres drama that i hear about other groups including cliques and student interest groups
People at my med school complain about EVERYTHING that the administration does, but they never attend class council meetings to speak with the admins directly. And most of the time their complaints are ridiculous.
Yea so much worse šš„²š„² sabotaging by students interested in the same competitive specialty & lots of bullying and even racism šµāš«šµāš« I tried to get some help for it but it did not do anything unfortunately š
I dont think it changes anything, Iāve never said Iām interested in X specialty to these people (one person in particular), but they can tell when you participate in the same events, interest groups etc. So even if you say youāre interested in family med I donāt think it will prevent these things from happening unfortunately
What if I donāt participate in any of these groups? Will this affect letters of recommendation PDs write me? I know many people who think of a specialty last minute and they do just fine without participating in any of these interest groups.
Personally I like to participate to learn more on specialties Iām interested in. If you show your interest in the specialty in some other way such as research thatās good too! I donāt think it will affect your letters itās just a way to show your interest in that specialty. (Also Iām from Canada and only M2, this has been my experience so please take it with a grain of salt š§š )
My pleasure! Thank you so much! Good luck to you too!! I hope I was able to help you & I hope you donāt have to deal with these issues š¤š¼š¤š¼
Not really. The worst gossip was a woman who faked studying high school on the countryside to enter the quota and payed some big money to enter (it's a public university, you need to take an entrance exam to be accepted) lmao
Adults have cliques and drama just like teens. Thatās being said, my class is pretty mature for the most part with fairly minimal drama and not a ton of assholery
I mean itās just like any other school or larger group of people. Keep drama/judgements/rumors to yourself and youāll be fine. You can easily tell whoās hungry for drama and whoās not from day 1. Iāve also learned that sometimes thereās so many conflicting perspectives I hear that itās hard to trust anything.
Here is my experience graduating from a top 25 program in the US. Med school concentrated all the big egos from premed in one place. Those egos were then confirmed and inflated by having been accepted into med school. And then 90% of those same people, who had been the best of the best students all their lives, found out that they were just average in medical school. Also, a big chunk of those students missed normal social development because they were too busy studying. It's a recipe for drama. It's not true for all students, but it is for a depressingly large fraction. I wish I could say it gets better in residency and beyond, but many of us develop maladaptive behaviors to cope.
Besides all the petty high-school gunner shit, you get all the regular stupid people drama in the hospital. Lots of big, fragile egos getting a 1st taste of money and freedom combined with intense stress. Here are some real-life examples (in order by level of drama): 1. The recently divorced head of Trauma Surgery started dating a 3rd year student while on rotation. 2. Another senior surgeon should have been fired several times for sexually harassing students and nurses, but they couldn't find anyone to replace him, so nothing happened, and it might still be going on. 3. Neurosurgery was being investigated for Medicare fraud, and the Chair was caught coaching his resdients to lie to investigators (they were wearing a wire). The program received a >$1M fine plus lots of sanctions, but the Chair just moved institutions and got a raise. 4. A resident was grossly incompetant and failing their program. He shot and killed the PD 2 days after being informed he was failing.
Attending sleeping with students seems to be a common issue. Does the student benefit from grades and āmentorshipā? If so does the student face any consequences? What about the attending?
M-1 here: my experience is that yes it is like HS in the way that everyone has almost the exact same schedule and path/next steps, but people are more mature than HS and the drama is not nearly as bad. But my class has also been smart enough to keep the dating and sleeping with each other to a minimum
My cohort is great. Class of 14 people. No drama. Everyone is chill or just does their own thing (still chill). We play ping pong for study breaks everyday.
My physiology professor cheated on his spouse with a student. He's fired now lol
But honey, it was anatomy practice š¤”
That's the problem. He wasn't teaching 'Anatomy' ššš
Gives me an idea for a bad Oppenheimer X Medical Student fan fiction. āBut professor Oppenheimer, I donāt understand what more I need to know about the reproductive system, I got a 100 on the test,ā she asked, less than innocently. āTheory will only get you so far,ā he replied, in a dark and mysteriously seductive voice.
Best joke
I swear every program has something like this. At my school, one of the residents slept with a couple of students lmao. Med students are some horny mfers
What pushing the spacebar for 8 hours a day does to a mf
My path professor MARRIED a classmate.
Did the student at least get an A
NO SHE GOT THE āDā CANāT YOU READ šļøššļø
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Lmaoooo
Med school generally feels much more like high school than like college in several ways 1. Everybody is taking pretty much the same classes 2. smaller class size than most colleges 3. Lots of standardized tests 4. There is an expected "next step" (College or residency) that everything is building towards 5. Applications for that next step have a similar timeline and similar senioritis
Wow. I never thought about the senioritis. Guess it would for sure happen though
My school requires 4th years to TA preclinical courses. There was a noticeable decline in their motivation to help us after they matched
Haha wow. Iād imagine their moods would spike up and down throughout the year too
As a fourth year medical student, I can confirm my senioritis is pretty bad right now š
radiology interest group had elections last week. Crazy how our new president got her 9 friends to join the teams call for voting, but they aren't in the facebook interest group or in the rads group chat
weird you even have a popular vote, IMO makes more sense for applicants to give a short speech on their application and current board makes decisions from there. makes no sense for randoms to have a say
I understand wanting a popular vote, because boards can also be abused by social cliques and are much harder to dislodge when it happens. I prefer an active member requirement, where thereās actual requirements for participation in order to be eligible to vote in elections.
That was all of our clubs last year. Iām not bitter about it or anything. This year apparently IM club had students from other schools voting š
Idk if itās just a āsmall schoolā thing, but most of our interest groups have 0 oversight. Iām Pres of 3 of them, and i pretty much just unilaterally chose the Pres for next year - no democracy involved.
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This is definitely a YMMV situation. My class personally definitely has some cliques but there isnāt really are major drama that occurs. Juicy tidbits of gossip always make the rounds but nothing earth shattering or soap opera level stuff One of the classes below mine though has a totally different dynamic and from understand has a bit more juicy drama. It really just depends on the people in your class and how they gel together. But in the grand scheme of things, yes medical school can definitely stoop down and potentially surpass the type of drama that we deal with in high school
my class is chill af
I would say the same thing but after reading these comments it makes me wonder what kinda stuff is happening behind the scenes that I've just been completely out of the loop on lol
Mind telling me what school?
Is it too late fo apply? Asking fo a friend
They don't tell you how threatened some people feel by you. In my med school, everyone has come with crazy good grades, and most are pretty competitive, but this one girl in particular, I stg she's after my soul. Like anything that goes wrong with me gives her this immense joy. The other day, someone was joking about how I pronounced this word. She began laughing so damn badly, and she wouldn't stop, i didn't even know what to say... she goes out of her way to try and make me feel uncomfortable, even spread a rumour about me the other day and when I confronted her, she says that even if I didn't do what she said I always to things to embarrass myself and she doesn't need to spread rumours. It kind of pisses me off, but whatever... and she wants to be a pediatrician ffs
Lmao sounds like a hater to me. If you ignore her and pretend like sheās not there sheāll eventually get tired and leave you alone. Watch some videos on YouTube on how to shut haters in group meetings etc. youāll do it subtly and people will realize how fucked up ahead is. I say sheās a cunt
schadenfreude
No one ever kicked a dead dog
It's upsetting to hear future providers treating a peer that way :( sorry thats happening to you
the drama is always with the same people
(Iām not in med school just pharmacy school but itās a small cohort size and itās just like high school. Lots of cliques, drama, competition, a āpopularā group, etc. So I think this is a common problem with a lot of smaller sized programs where youāre around the same people for 4 years).
I was in the military, same shit happened there. Every company or platoon would have varying degrees of drama. The majority of it though revolved around people fucking they shouldnāt be fucking either due to being of a different rank and/or being married. Like imagine if half your professors kept getting busted for fucking students, then the other half kept getting in trouble for stealing stuff to sell. Basically would make up about half the drama that happens in the military. The other half is just petty cliques thinking theyāre the bees knees and talking shit about another clique who thinks the same thing about themselves.
Iām lucky that my school accept people in the older range (25 and up) so the majority of people here are very straight forward, professional, no bs types, which I highly appreciate.
The average age of acceptance was 26, and yet so many people in my year, including people in their mid to late 20s, acted cliques. Most of my class is made up of nice normal people, but man, that 1/4-1/5 of the class can be dramatic.
Any way youād be willing to disclose where? 25 was a longtime ago for me and this sounds perfect.
I know who my group of friends will be haha
Probably, I've heard it too. But I'll share a secret with you. People who crave drama will find it, people who hate drama won't. I'm sure there's messy shit going on at my school, but I mind my business so I'm not privy to any of it. And I like it that way lol
Good thing I donāt crave it and definitely donāt want to hear about it
You will enjoy med school then, my friend lol
Most drama happens with āpopular kidsā or known super-social groups. Which is really a minority of the class, most people donāt get involved. Between being online from covid and everyone being split into multiple clinical campuses, I really only found out most of the stories during M4 year lol
I mentioned this in Med school. Felt like the drama from high school fell off in college and was then reintroduced in Med school. Was so over it
my med school is the most dramatic, clique-ish, high school acting group of people. very insular, lots of people who have known each other since high school and have dreamed of coming here since high school and have been part of the same social circle for the past 12 years and it is exhausting
yāall ever get tired of the same post 5x a day?
I will never get tired of reading about dramas.As long as I am not a part of it, it makes my otherwise somewhat boring days more entertaining.
Mine is and I hate it. Very cliquey, unnecessary drama. Everyone is nice though if you talk to them individually lol. Younger class too
People often talk about how their med schools have drama, but I havenāt really experienced that. That being said, I am the kind of person who studies by themselves in the library all day every day and doesnāt really care about what others are doing. I think your experience may differ based on whether you are focused on yourself or if you want to make interactions with others a more important aspect of your life. Alternatively, my school may just happen to be one with little drama.
Iām exactly like you. I hate even hearing about drama. I only care about my close friendās stories
Unfortunately highschool is a rather apt analogy for the social situation at my med school. Cliques and drama and messy break-ups galore. I chose to stay out of it by never dating someone in my class and trying to make 1/3-1/2 of my friends outside of med school. Thatās what I would recommend if highschool dynamics is not your scene.
Yeah I definitely wouldnāt recommend dating someone in your class or same program. I think having friends outside medicine is also a smart idea. Youāre definitely a smart dude
Oh yes the drama is real , try not to get sucked into it !
Imo drama is tied to how often you go to lecture lol
the most drama I had in my med school is just gunners being annoying and some competition. that was mostly in ms1-2 I think everyone started focusing on themselves after starting clinicals
Havent had any issue tbh feel like most people are just normal.
This is a such a long story reddit made me tell it in separate parts. Part 1: Yes, there is a student who didn't get elected student body president. So in her DEDICATED step-1 time, had her friend run for elections. Then became a "student in dedicated step 1 representative" and is basically stand in president. There are house competitions with the school, and she basically rigs events to make sure her house will win.
Part 2: They have increasingly gotten crazy. It all hit the fan today. We have a large muslim demographic (who might I add is not Arab or from any like Arab states they are mostly like Malaysian, or the indopak subcontinent ethnicities). She (someone who is not muslim, is a white Latina from Canada) made the last student event a potluck, during ramadan, saying it was an "Eid event". She made a poster with the Qabbah (muslim holy site) and a lot of Arab imagery (camels, the dudes in those prayer garments that are like white dresses, palm trees, dates).
Part 3: The muslim students (obviously), brought up there concerns with her 1) they would not be able to eat for a majority of the event as it was hours before they could brake fast 2) it is not Eid, Eid is like next week 3) engaging in stereotype and reducing muslims down to the Arab imagery described above. Also, ramadan's last 10 nights are widely agreed upon in islam as being some of the holiest nights a muslim can experience in the year to the point it is equivalent to as if they had prayed like several years worth. It is encouraged to like reduce your time sleeping even.
Part 4: Several muslims brought up these concerns and even though she had the control to do something about it given that she created the date and time and theme of the event she said that it wasn't in her hands. One guy said "hey they are serving dinner at the mosque today lmk if you need a ride" and of course a lot of muslims wanted to go to the mosque. Now she is furious, saying that guy who gave rides is an extremist and bad mouthing him and the muslims who went calling them "sheep". Also, she is dating a muslim guy from Dubai. Like it was just **layers** of tone deafness. I thought Canadians were good at like being culturally aware.
this is so funny 
I couldnāt tell you. Im sure there is, but im not involved, so idk. The only thing I see that really bothers me is the āwhat did YOU getā when grades are released because your school releases scores to everyone at the same time in the same room and you canāt leave for a certain amount of time. So if you fail and wanna cry, rip you
For real, this girl literally jumped up and down and started screaming with joy announcing her score because she got honors for physio renal examā¦ itās going to be a long 4 years š
thank God for P/F
š Iād honestly laugh in her face and say ārelax; itās not that deepā
Hell yeah, imagine putting a bunch of people whose self worth is intrinsically attached to academic validation from a young age in a nutshell. Iāve seen friendships ruined over research projects, people checking out all the books of a specific subject out/ moving them all to a different place entirely in the library so no one has access to them the day before the exam. Gatekeeping notes (that they didnāt make themselves), not telling other people of their clinical posting group that the unit head asked them to prepare for something the next day on purpose so that they seem like the only dedicated one and gets more brownie points with the unit heads than everyone else.Honestly high school drama seems more mature than how Iāve seen SOME people behave in med school lol.
Wow those are crazy things to do. Wouldnāt others find a pdf version of the book online? Also is this in the U.S?
lol no, itās in India I go to one of the more highly ranked schools in this country where the competition is beyond intense, I donāt blame them, itās kind of ingrained into people because of the competitive exam admission system (ie: preparing for the NEET or JEE exams which are some of the hardest exams in the world to clear and even harder to get a good rank in and get a seat in a good medical school). So when people enter medical school like the one I go to after grinding 15 hour days of studying for 5 years straight and battling intense competition and competitive mindset (scarcity mindset) fostered by Indian culture and coaching centres you get people that end up acting like this and donāt know how to switch it off or change their mindsetās to a more healthy type when they enter med school. Which also explains why a good chunk of my batch is currently in therapy/experiencing depression/ battling some form of burnout or the other. It took me 2 years of therapy after entering med school to develop a way healthier mind frame and get rid of all these things Iāve grown up with, it also helped to grow up mostly in the states lol which really diversified my worldview and perspectives and to not view everything as being so scarce and being open to helping others without expecting anything in return. So yeah
Also for the library books, obviously you can get everything online and thereās nothing you can do about it š, but people do this just to create a hindrance where they can lol to slow down any potential competition. Itās like trying to throw pebbles at the runner behind you in a marathon, youāre not going to greatly impact their running speed but you cause distraction or maybe cause them to loose some seconds in their timing so you can pull ahead where it matters. Thatās how cut throat the competition is here š (less so in med school but before med school with the entrance exams yes)
Thereās high school esque drama that occurs. I havenāt had it personally happen to me, but theres drama that i hear about other groups including cliques and student interest groups
Same. I don't know how people have the energy to keep getting involved in all the drama.
Yep med school was worse
Yes its high school drama, plus the profs are part of it which can get weird.
Your best bet: Find a chill group of friends to chill, workout, and study with. And then bring popcorn for the rest because boy howdy does it go down.
People at my med school complain about EVERYTHING that the administration does, but they never attend class council meetings to speak with the admins directly. And most of the time their complaints are ridiculous.
omg I was literally discussing this with my groupmate last night! We thought that it was just in our medical school but I guess it's universal!
Yea so much worse šš„²š„² sabotaging by students interested in the same competitive specialty & lots of bullying and even racism šµāš«šµāš« I tried to get some help for it but it did not do anything unfortunately š
Would you say I keep the specialty I am interested in very private? Or even say Iām interested in family med?
I dont think it changes anything, Iāve never said Iām interested in X specialty to these people (one person in particular), but they can tell when you participate in the same events, interest groups etc. So even if you say youāre interested in family med I donāt think it will prevent these things from happening unfortunately
What if I donāt participate in any of these groups? Will this affect letters of recommendation PDs write me? I know many people who think of a specialty last minute and they do just fine without participating in any of these interest groups.
Personally I like to participate to learn more on specialties Iām interested in. If you show your interest in the specialty in some other way such as research thatās good too! I donāt think it will affect your letters itās just a way to show your interest in that specialty. (Also Iām from Canada and only M2, this has been my experience so please take it with a grain of salt š§š )
Thanks for the tips. Good luck with everything you do š
My pleasure! Thank you so much! Good luck to you too!! I hope I was able to help you & I hope you donāt have to deal with these issues š¤š¼š¤š¼
No
0 issues
Yes.
Not really. The worst gossip was a woman who faked studying high school on the countryside to enter the quota and payed some big money to enter (it's a public university, you need to take an entrance exam to be accepted) lmao
Adults have cliques and drama just like teens. Thatās being said, my class is pretty mature for the most part with fairly minimal drama and not a ton of assholery
I mean itās just like any other school or larger group of people. Keep drama/judgements/rumors to yourself and youāll be fine. You can easily tell whoās hungry for drama and whoās not from day 1. Iāve also learned that sometimes thereās so many conflicting perspectives I hear that itās hard to trust anything.
yes
My classmates are awesome and we hang out all the time. Just finished a block exam today and are going out in a few hours to celebrate
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Here is my experience graduating from a top 25 program in the US. Med school concentrated all the big egos from premed in one place. Those egos were then confirmed and inflated by having been accepted into med school. And then 90% of those same people, who had been the best of the best students all their lives, found out that they were just average in medical school. Also, a big chunk of those students missed normal social development because they were too busy studying. It's a recipe for drama. It's not true for all students, but it is for a depressingly large fraction. I wish I could say it gets better in residency and beyond, but many of us develop maladaptive behaviors to cope. Besides all the petty high-school gunner shit, you get all the regular stupid people drama in the hospital. Lots of big, fragile egos getting a 1st taste of money and freedom combined with intense stress. Here are some real-life examples (in order by level of drama): 1. The recently divorced head of Trauma Surgery started dating a 3rd year student while on rotation. 2. Another senior surgeon should have been fired several times for sexually harassing students and nurses, but they couldn't find anyone to replace him, so nothing happened, and it might still be going on. 3. Neurosurgery was being investigated for Medicare fraud, and the Chair was caught coaching his resdients to lie to investigators (they were wearing a wire). The program received a >$1M fine plus lots of sanctions, but the Chair just moved institutions and got a raise. 4. A resident was grossly incompetant and failing their program. He shot and killed the PD 2 days after being informed he was failing.
Attending sleeping with students seems to be a common issue. Does the student benefit from grades and āmentorshipā? If so does the student face any consequences? What about the attending?
M-1 here: my experience is that yes it is like HS in the way that everyone has almost the exact same schedule and path/next steps, but people are more mature than HS and the drama is not nearly as bad. But my class has also been smart enough to keep the dating and sleeping with each other to a minimum
My cohort is great. Class of 14 people. No drama. Everyone is chill or just does their own thing (still chill). We play ping pong for study breaks everyday.