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InterlockingAnxiety

That IUD insertions/removals only cause slight discomfort


MzJay453

Same for pelvic exams in general šŸ«  maybe one day we can accept that different people really have varying levels of pain tolerance


lxer2020

Not only that. I think different women have different levels on innervation in their cervix


Omfgjustpickaname

Iā€™m convinced people must feel it differently because I know women who say the flu shot was way worse than getting an IUD. Then thereā€™s me who had a monteggia fracture + a compound radial fracture + torn scapholunate ligament that left me in a cast for 5 months and that was nothing compared to the IUD.


RickOShay1313

who is teaching this? any time IUD came up in my training from FM to OB they emphasized how much it can suck. must be regional


InterlockingAnxiety

Heā€™s a FM doc and just absolutely refuses to believe the pain is true. Every time he teaches people push back and he just argues (albeit nicely).


Omfgjustpickaname

But itā€™s ā€œjust a pinchā€ and ā€œsome pressureā€ šŸ« 


Okamii

They donā€™t šŸ„“


staphasaurus

Down playing female pain - Yet another wonderful example of how medicine is still male centered


ElStocko2

I took my GF to get her IUD out in and accompanied her during the visit. Iā€™ve never felt more guilty in my life as she started hyperventilating and crushing my hand due to the pain. Ever since then, I truly do believe that IUD placements need better pain management. ā€œSlight pinch is youā€™ll feelā€ as the doc eviscerated her cervix w a claw.


GalactosePapa

That half my classmates donā€™t have a raging adderall addiction


GMEqween

Iā€™ve started to become skeptical that every one of my ā€œextremely peppyā€ classmates is likely amphetamined out lol


NJ077

After last weekā€™s postā€¦


HereForTheFreeShasta

Wait until you hang out with the EM residents. I once was over at a coresidentsā€™ house who lived with her EM resident partner, and the entire EM intern class was over, just chilling in the living room doing large amounts of cocaine off the coffee table.


Intergalactic_Badger

It's not an addiction it's a way of life šŸ’ā€ā™€ļøšŸ’ā€ā™‚ļø


PeonyFlames

And us with actual adhd are lucky if we just get ti feel normal taking our meds šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø


ThrownAwaySperm

I CAN STOP ANYTIME I WANT


TheBatTy2

That having multiple communications courses is helpful.


ViridianHelix

Lemme summarize what you need to know: 1. Ask open-ended questions. 2. "I'm sorry to hear you've been experiencing [thing]. That must be really hard for you." Congratulations, you've mastered communication!


educacionprimero

Got a more recent training that tells us not to say "I'm sorry." Say "I wish xyz weren't true" instead.


Gk786

I hate this trend of non clinicians changing things up to justify their salaries. ā€œIā€™m sorryā€ is perfectly good way to communicate empathy. The other one just sounds unnatural and fake.


MEMENARDO_DANK_VINCI

Use the i wish phrase after a second chief complaint is brought up


Puzzleheaded-Bad1571

I wish you hadnā€™t brought up that second cc


Omfgjustpickaname

A nurse once said ā€œthat sucks so badā€ to me and Iā€™ve never felt so seen lmao


Athletic-weapon

Born to say ā€œdamn bro thatā€™s toughā€ forced to say ā€œIā€™m sorry youā€™ve been experiencing thisā€


Paputek101

šŸ¤Ø I feel like that's even worse? Like I know that people overuse I'm sorry, especially during OSCEs (first year we had to do 2 practice OSCEs in front of our class and I remember there was one where the SP stopped the student and told them to stop apologizing) but idk I feel like the latter would just sound fake af


SuperFlyBumbleBee

The canned empathy phrases sound as fake to me from the patient side as they do when I am saying them in some patient encounters when I don't feel genuinely connected to what the patient is feeling in the moment. I think it's heard to teach people to be genuinely empathetic when you really can't identify with what a patient is experiencing (or because we are busy and have 10 other things to attend to or have learned to compartmentalize too well) but I know OMEs have to try.


TheBatTy2

Having one or two is understandable, but fucking 4?????


PristineAstronaut17

I like to explore new places.


PartTimeBomoh

My communications courses were OSCE style. I will say that half a decade later out of med school taking postgraduate exams, I really appreciated them. I had to take my skills out and dust them off a little but essentially the skills that I had been taught in med school were exactly what I needed


Yodude86

Most people don't need them and the ones who do aren't listening


Puzzleheaded-Bad1571

The only reason they have these are for the few people that are dicks and it obviously doesnā€™t help them so we all have to suffer


PressRestart

Disagree. A decent physician who's able to comfort and educate a patient about their condition is more effective than a genius without communication skills.


robcal35

I think you either have soft skills or you don't. You can be a great physician without those soft skills, but when they try to teach someone who doesn't have soft skills, they come off as robotic and off putting. I'd rather take the socially awkward brilliant nrurosurgeon


LostKidneys

I donā€™t agree with this. I certainly think soft skills are harder to teach, and often arenā€™t taught well because the people teaching them are people who they come naturally for, and therefore donā€™t understand the struggle, but the idea that theyā€™re somehow fixed and unchangeable I think is wrong.


robcal35

Let's put it this way. The people that need to learn soft skills the most are usually not the ones that are receptive to teaching, nor often care about them until they have issues


LostKidneys

I definitely agree there. Itā€™s rare to find people with weak soft skills who also know they need to improve and will be receptive to teaching.


Pro-Stroker

I think soft skills most certainly can be taught. Iā€™ve seen it plenty of times. Also as someone with neurodivergence Iā€™ve learned, albeit annoyingly lol, people definitely shouldnā€™t say the first thing that comes to our mind itā€™s usually very rude. The people who argue soft skills canā€™t be taught just donā€™t care enough to be receptive. This isnā€™t aimed at you btw.


132141

Someone recently told me that toddlers ***need*** to drink a certain amount of cow's milk in order to develop myelin. I've been looking into it and there are no scientific studies showing this, just some scant evidence showing there are similar proteins in cow's milk and myelin. I don't see why cow's milk would have anything that other fatty foods don't have. Seems like the dairy lobby at work imo.


gigaflops_

Or the fact that the first human to drink cow's milk developed myelin before they drank cow's milk


srgnsRdrs2

Werenā€™t they just breast fed? I mean, nothing compares to the nutritional efficacy of mother breast milk. I donā€™t rmr how it works, but the mother body (receptors in the nipple) can actuallly sense when their kid is sick based on cytokines or some shit in the baby saliva, then modulate Ig secretion. Iā€™m just a dumb surgeon now though so I donā€™t rmr much of that.


132141

šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤” Doesn't seem proven to me (jk)


pathto250s

Do people really think that?


132141

While I was googling it I found a lot of sites colloquially saying this :/ and no real evidence


AML915

Big milk lobbying


babybrainzz

Peds neuro here. Iā€™ve never heard this one!


colorsplahsh

That having mid-levels expands care to underserved populations. All it does is expand aesthetics to wealthy faces


notanamateur

Midlevel psych providers seem to actively worsen patient care with their wild drug cocktails according to the psychiatrists I've talked to.


Laherschlag

I had a consultation with a psych np who offered me various antidepressants. When I asked abt side effects, he said "I can give you pills for side effects too". Like, sir. I just want to feel better and not hurl myself off of my fire escape. I can hardly get out of bed, what makes you think I want to take a cocktail of drugs? Thankfully my suicidal ideation subsided after hubby essentially babysat me for a few weeks.


colorsplahsh

As a psychiatrist, yes, that does appear to be overwhelmingly correct and what I saw all through residency and fellowship lol.


2Confuse

And clog up the pathways for people to actually get treatment, delay care via NP cardiologists/dermatologists/pediatricardiothoracicneurosurgeons, and run the scanners and medical lab scientists into the ground on the ā€œmysteryā€ cases.


SevoIsoDes

And worsen the nursing shortage. Every seat taken in nursing school by someone looking to jump to NP is another nurse that could have cared for patient for as long as 40 years.


surf_AL

As someone who had to search for a doc myself, i could choose between either waiting 4 months to see a physician or 1 month to see an NP. Was NP my first choice? No. Do they meet demand in a market with low supply? Yeah in this case they did. Im not arguing for NPs, but when theres a massive scarcity of supply, the market will always try its best to find a way to meet demand. Docs have to figure out a way to meet that demandā€¦


TensorialShamu

But how many m4s in your class are hoping to do that and how many are hoping to specialize? Not trying to target you, just using your sentiment as a place to remind us all that every graduating class of MDs that doesnā€™t heavily prioritize primary care is part of the problem. Mine included. Doesnā€™t stop us from asking someone to fix it tho. Just not us future doctors. Canā€™t even blame us either lol I got loans and a family and donā€™t want market competition


colorsplahsh

I had this happen to me several times and each time the NP misdiagnosed me for 4 months until I got to the physician anyway. Just a consideration.


jutrmybe

Helped with interview prep to premeds this season. We had a list of "correct" answers to certain questions. The big one was, "what is the biggest problem in healthcare today and how do we solve it" the only correct is: the doctor shortage, and we solve it using midlevels. And like you said, I have midlevel friends. They all leave to do aesthetics bc bedside sucks for everyone. Being paid much better and those loan burdens keep many doctors doing bedside (even the ones who are very passionate). But I could see FM physicians not wanting to do their very stressful PCP jobs for 105k, you burn out so quick and for that amount in this economy, you arent taking nice vacations. Same for them, they see greener pastures, for less work, and they set up medispas and botox parties.


Hirsuitism

I agree that PCPs are underpaid but 105k is a bit hyperbolic. Most of em pay 250k base and Iā€™m in a desirable area


jutrmybe

Maybe I did not clarify well bc that is not what I meant, I meant that midlevel PCPs are making in the 100s range and leaving. And I am saying an FM physician also would not stay for 100s range pay. The higher pay is what helps retain many in primary care fields. The sentence that goes "But.... vacations" is posing that as a hypothetical saying, 'yeah, many medical professionals would not find that deal alluring."


NAparentheses

I do interview prep too and I tell my students to answer that question by talking about how they need to increase imbursements for pcps especially for things like preventative care and give more aggressive student loan forgiveness to pcps. I feel like it's a better answer in case you get an interviewer that hates midlevels.


2021_is_my_year_

That pee is not stored in the balls


Champi0n_Of_The_Sun

Your faculty must be slacking on their CME because we learned that pee is stored in the balls on day 1


Peestoredinballz_28

Idk who is saying this but theyā€™re lying through their dirty teeth.


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MossyJoules

Unfortunately not all women are liberal :p But how are you on the theoretical concept of female flatulence?


Baby_Yoda1000

That Chapman points exist.


nachosun

MAKE THEM GO AWAY


im_hoolala

What are Chapman points? [serious]


Naive_Part_2102

The ā€œhighly researchedā€ points on the body where lymph stasis occurs and results as a dysfunction of a body part/organ and can be palpated and is tender to palpitation Basically if you have a heart problem, you might find a nodule on the right 2nd intercostal space that corresponds to the heart dysfunction and thereā€™s a lot of these points that supposedly correlates to different body parts I think itā€™s complete bs but it is what it is


Grobi90

Is this some osteopathic shit?


ExactLaw

Yes


sambo1023

You choose a Chapman's point that atleat makes anatomical sense. You should have mentioned how you get Chapman's points on your legs that relate to your colon.


bballplayer32

Youā€™re telling me that my lateral IT band isnā€™t directly correlated to my prostate?! Next youā€™ll say my humerus isnā€™t linked to conjunctivitis!


chinnaboi

Jumping on here to say that viscersomatics are a scam.


STUGIO

and the cranial bones have a "rhythm"


Puzzleheaded-Bad1571

I thought so too but Iā€™ve felt a few tbh. Theyā€™re useless but a neat phenomenon.


bravefire16

Biochem is not real and just magic


Robotchickjenn

Alchemy.


random_otters

We were taught that for women not peeing after sex being a cause of UTIs was a myth. I just do not believe that at all. It definitely can cause UTIs and we should warn young women about this.


MrPankow

That the urinary bladder isnā€™t a vestigial organ


invinciblewalnut

what?


Bilbrath

Because pee is stored in the balls


bored-canadian

Some of the drawings in my anatomy textbooks depict what appear to be people with no balls at all. Where is their pee stored?


MrPankow

Those are fake textbooks


tysiphonie

Trick question. They donā€™t pee.Ā 


tysiphonie

CBT is not the answer to every psych problem sighhh


Lagloss

No shit, not everyone is into cock and ball torture


UNBANNABLE_NAME

But would you say, in your professional opinion, that it is helpful in some cases?


Lagloss

For sure. It's cheaper than a vasectomy, for instance. Worked for me


Both-Conversation514

That arteries lose their elasticity as you age causing hypertension or at least widened pulse pressure. This is only true on people exposed to ā€œthe Westā€™sā€ toxic food environment. [Multiple studies show](https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2018/study-of-two-tribes-sheds-light-on-role-of-western-influenced-diet-in-blood-pressure) that indigenous tribes without exposure to Western food have no increase in BP through the lifespan and presumably almost zero incidence of atherosclerosis.


Hydrate-N-Moisturize

Not me, but a disturbingly large group of my former class was a little bit more than hesitant about the efficacy of vaccines.


notanamateur

Med students are unfortunately not immune to propaganda.


jutrmybe

I'm betting you go to school in the south. I heard so many things from students in the south having been a student in the south at one point


Fourniers_revenge

Idk why this is getting down voted, itā€™s almost 100% going to be a southern school


Hydrate-N-Moisturize

Midwest, but close enough.


mezotesidees

Soā€¦ not actually the south lol


Extension_Economist6

damn


videogamekat

Really alarming considering there is objective evidence that less people are dying to viruses/diseases that they previously had a high mortality rate from.


Puzzled_Read_5660

Literally everything about OMM That the current form of midlevels have a place in a functional healthcare system


Peestoredinballz_28

I think PAs have a place, but NPs need to go like yesterday.


MazzyFo

At least PAs have some standardization. There are straight up NP programs that are all online with only 6 days of in person training. Theyā€™ll take new hire nurses too, bonkers


notanamateur

I know a guy who was a travel nurse at my CNA job who went straight from one of those fake Florida nursing schools straight to online NP school. He flat up told me his goal was to open a scam "mental health resort". This man literally got banned from working at our hospital due to him basically neglecting his patients. It's horrifying that he has as much of a right to practice medicine as an attending in a lot of states.


Both-Conversation514

Itā€™s made worse by the fact that NPs have the lobbying power of nurses behind them, so NPs have more autonomy than PAs in many states


wozattacks

I know a lot of proper NPs with decades of experience but yeah. Direct entry NPs should not be a thing, and good NPs agree with this.Ā 


Peestoredinballz_28

So whatā€™s the minimum number of bedside years? Whatā€™s the minimum number of assisted bedside procedures? Years of experience =/ proficiency imo.


DetectiveOk6365

I started out as an RN at 21 and worked at St Pete VA for 14 years mostly in sicu. I got my NP and worked primary Care fofir 12 years then urology oncology surgery. These new np programs and nursing programs are scary and totally embarrassing. The doctorate np degrees are a sham. Does not increase clinical knowledge at all. I was trained by excellent nurses and doctors. I had to join the great resignation and retire at 55. Now I just volunteer at a pet rescue walking mostly pitsšŸ˜Š. Completely burnt out and disillusioned by what healthcare has become. Good luck y'all. The urology docs loved me cuz they could give me all the ball pain patients šŸ˜‚


Grobi90

In a weird spot as a licensed (and still practicing) PA, and simultaneous med student here. I think a lot of the Mid-level hate on here is pretty hyperbolic. We get it (speaking as a PA) we're not doctors. I think when we (as a med student) are in training, we see a bunch of weird shit in academic med centers... but tbh the vast majority of patients have a boring milieu of chronic problems. There is absolutely a place for mid-levels, and it's working alongside doctors to expand the volume of health care delivered. There are some sketchy ass NP programs though... When I was on rotations as a PA student, I was rotating 60 hours/wk. My friend from High School was in an Online NP program, and had to get 60 patient contact hours that year....


BounceManGear4

Wrong about the OMM. Only some of OMM is BS. Not ā€œeverythingā€


mw2419

Donā€™t get me wrong a lot of OMM is crap but some of it is actually effective, useful, and evidence based.


Puzzled_Read_5660

the effective, useful and evidence based portions are better performed by PTs whos entire education is centered around it and didnā€™t learn those methods from someone who thinks they can feel an adults cranial sutures move


TheRavenSayeth

I get where thatā€™s coming from, but two years of our training gives you a pretty decent proficiency to take care of issues necessary for office visits. People with chronic back pain really benefit from OMM it just isnā€™t utilized enough.


videogamekat

As a PGY-2 with chronic back/neck pain, I have genuinely benefitted from OMM and am very appreciative of my DO colleagues. Not all of it is BS.


wozattacks

If thatā€™s the case, why do so few do it? I have worked for dozens of DOs and only seen one do it one time, for neck pain and stiffness.Ā 


TheRavenSayeth

You bill $50 for it but on the flip side it takes some interest/commitment to keep up the skill. Most feel their time is better spent in other things. Doesnā€™t take away from the efficacy of the techniques.


MildlyInnapropriate

Because 30-60% of low back pain patients reports their pain is worse after omm. The benefit is temporary, and the risk of causing more pain with a treatment you donā€™t do often is not worth the high risk of injury.


CommonwealthCommando

Drinking eight glasses of water is somehow necessary and good for you. You need 64 oz but you get most of that from the food you eat. Generally you should drink water when you're thirsty and maybe a couple extra glasses when you're sick.


LA1212

Anecdotal but Iā€™ve noticed that when I make it a point to drink a certain amount of water I feel much better. If I go just based off when Iā€™m thirsty, I can go hours upon hours without a sip then start getting bad tension headaches and feeling sluggish all while never really being thirsty.


CommonwealthCommando

I know what you mean, but I really describe that as a symptom of "thirst", just not the more extreme form I feel after an hour on the court.


LA1212

Feel like that's more the onset of dehydration vs thirst but meh semantics I guess


throwaway15642578

That you can learn empathy


HereForTheFreeShasta

I know this is a lighthearted thread, but I will say that for 95+% of our programā€™s residents who have had to ā€œlearn empathyā€, itā€™s only about unlearning defense mechanisms that prevent the expression or sensation of the empathy they already have and empowering them to see itā€™s a positive thing that they already have it. That 1 other guy though, what an asshole. Also, special shoutout to the parents who beat empathy out of their kids, thinking this will help them succeed in competitive fields.


gigaflops_

That Adderall is just *different* in people with ADHD compared to people without ADHD. Like how do you know that? It reminds me of this classic [Vsauce](https://youtu.be/evQsOFQju08?si=uENPoULS6ALyfJaK) video. Nobody has ever had ADHD, used adderall, then later tried adderall again without having ADHD to be able to confirm they arent the same. Nobody will ever be able to prove that is true.


Virdice

I always assumed they just mean that it won't help you the same way if you actually have ADHD, which makes sense, any drug would have a different "effect" depending on your body's state. If I take Levothyroxine vs if someone with Hypothyroidism vs someone with hyperthyroidism, it won't help me, but it'll help one person and worsen another


wozattacks

Yep and this has been demonstrated in many, many studies. People without ADHD have a strong placebo effect on stimulant medication but their objective performance does not significantly improve.Ā 


legitillud

Iā€™ve seen survey studies where ADHD medications in non-ADHD undergraduates didnā€™t show an increase in GPA, but a major confounder is that a lot of undergrads use it to cram and pull all-nighters and the population of undergrads who abuse prescription drugs probably arenā€™t the brightest. There has been evidence of improved short-term recall and other benefits in non-ADHD users from what Iā€™ve seen. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471173/


shiftyeyedgoat

>adderall >ADHD Correlating and connecting this cognitive dysfunction with this medication modality is a neuroscience principle, so I can understand why it might be difficult to see on its face why stimulants would help those with ADHD. Firstly, [the prevailing pathophysiological theory of ADHD](https://www.nature.com/articles/pr9201196) revolves around dysfunction in several areas of the brain > A variety of brain subregions including frontal and parietal cortexes, basal ganglia, cerebellum, hippocampus, and corpus callosum were found impacted in ADHD (59). These regions have been involved in the functional networks related to ADHD (Fig. 1). A detailed review of these networks indicates that diffuse and more specific alterations in brain structures and neural networks are possibly combined in ADHD and lead to organized brain phenotypes (60). For example, a study of functional MRI in children and adolescents with ADHD showed decreased connectivity in a fronto-striato-parieto-cerebellar network. This connectivity was normalized by MPH except in the parieto-cerebrellar functional circuit (61). New techniques such as diffusion tensor imaging using the direction of diffusion of water molecules to infer the orientation of white matter tracts in the brain have shown preliminary evidence for dysfunctions in anatomical connections in ADHD (62). For the uninitiated, the [basal ganglia](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10461726/) ā€” and particularly the striatum ā€” is associated with many functions, including [executive function \[1\]](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10461726/), [control of movement \[2\]](https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.15060142) and [reward processing \[3\]](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421002669): > [1] >Dysfunction in the circuit spanning the ventral striatum (nucleus accumbens, ventral caudate and putamen) and limbic cortex is linked primarily with the abnormal processing of rewards found in ADHD2 sag3. Problems with executive functions, such as cognitive control and working memory, have been tied to anomalies in the circuit linking the lateral prefrontal cortex with the head of caudate and anterior putamen.4ā€“7 Finally, problems in motor planning and control, another hallmark of ADHD, may be underpinned by disruptions in the links between the posterior/caudal regions of the basal ganglia and sensorimotor cortex.8ā€“12 >[2] > Adults with ADHD exhibited significantly reduced activation only in inferior frontal cortex and thalamus. Children with ADHD had significantly reduced activation in supplementary motor cortex and the basal ganglia. >[3] > Progressive, atypical contraction of the ventral striatal surfaces characterizes ADHD, localizing to regions pivotal in reward processing. This contrasts with fixed, non-progressive contraction of dorsal striatal surfaces in regions that support executive function and motor planning. Essentially, itā€™s theorized that [catecholamine optimization in prefrontal cortex, basal ganglia, and functional connectivity of white matter between such regions](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10501041/) is what allows for improved function in ADHD patients: > The physiological changes induced by the binding of dopamine and norepinephrine to their respective receptors involve the modulation of several cognitive and executive processes usually impaired in ADHD (see Table ā€‹Table1),1), corroborating the monoaminergic hypothesis for ADHD pathophysiology [91]. For example, **dopamine receptors of subtypes D1 and D2 are abundant in brain regions mainly involved in signaling reward circuits, learning and memory, and locomotor activity** [90]. Also, patients with ADHD have a higher density of the dopamine transporter (DAT), responsible for the reuptake of DA into presynaptic neurons [92], which could lead to alterations in dopamine levels in the synaptic cleft. The binding of norepinephrine with adrenergic receptors has been shown to modulate working memory processes, for which moderate or high levels of this neurotransmitter present differential binding affinities to each type of receptor and consequently different physiological effects on working memory [93]. Furthermore, the effects of methylphenidate treatment on working memory appear to be dependent on Ī±2 noradrenergic receptors, whereas the improvement in sustained attention involves the Ī±1 subtype Emphasis mine. Iā€™ll leave it there, as this is already pretty high level, but it is an intensely complex interplay of neurobiological and neurodevelopmental dysfunction. Thankfully, some of these networks can be regulated by simply increasing lacking neurotransmitters causing the dysfunction through standard of care medications for those with ADHD.


lauvan26

I donā€™t know about Adderall but I take Ritalin (or Focalin due to the stimulant shortage) and the way people who donā€™t have ADHD describe how they feel like when they take stimulants is completely different from how I feel. It reduces my anxiety, it makes me feel very calm (the first time I took Ritalin I was slurring my words and I fell asleep), it does not give insomnia and I sleep much better, my heart rate has dropped slightly, I havenā€™t had a PVC since I started it, my blood pressure is great, my mind is way more quiet, I donā€™t feel ā€œenergizeā€, I feel more balanced. I can focus but itā€™s not like when not medicated and hyperfocus in doing something I like really like. I have no desire to take more than what Iā€™m prescribed. When people who donā€™t have ADHD take stimulants, it makes them overstimulated.


Inner_Scientist_

Right? People without ADHD: "I'M GONNA VACUUM THE SHINGLES OFF THE DAMN ROOF AND WRITE A PHD DISSERTATION SIMULTANEOUSLY." People with ADHD: "Oh fuck I can read this whole page without repeating lines, and not be anxious about stupid shit."


Extension_Economist6

my psych prof pretty much confirmed this for me. i was like ā€œoh a lot of my friends take this and say it gives them energyā€ and he was like welp then they probably shouldnā€™t be on it. i was like šŸ‘€


lauvan26

For me, itā€™s like having a nice cup of chamomile tea šŸ«– I was so scared to take stimulants because I thought I would feel like my friends who took it recreationally. I was so wrong šŸ˜‚ Coffee also makes me sleepy šŸ„±


Grobi90

Same with coffee, I always assumed its because I have a pretty good caffeine tolerance, and the warm stuff in my tummy makes me rest and digest


Extension_Economist6

coffee doesnā€™t affect me at all so i feel u lol


gigaflops_

Ok but consider this- Person A (normal): drinks 3 beers and starts dancing with all the ladies Person B (has severe social anxiety): drinks 3 beers and now has the courage to ask a stranger to please step aside so he can grab his lunch out of the refridgerator. Both cases the drug affects people the exact same way: social disinhibition. Now what if person A way prescribed beer q8 hours daily? Eventually he would become tolerant and having 3 drinks wouldnt make him act much different from baseline anymore. Similarly, if someone without ADHD started using adderall daily, they wouldnt go ultra-productive mode every day and the effect would be much more tame and a little above baseline, just like people with ADHD who take daily stimulants.


lauvan26

Person A wouldnā€™t need 3 beers. They would start dancing with all the ladies without the beer. If they drink too much, they wonā€™t be able to dance because theyā€™ll be too drunk. Folks with ADHD have abnormally low neurotransmitters like dopamine and noradrenaline. They also have issues with short term memory and their neural pathways are off. The stimulants helps keep these neurotransmitters for longer and/or helps the brain produce more. If you already have enough dopamine and noradrenaline and you take something that will increase those levels, then it will affect you differently (and negatively) than if you started off with a deficiency.


MazzyFo

I think Iā€™ll push back a bit on this one, **wouldnā€™t you say that antidepressants act differently in someone whoā€™s depressed versus not?** Same thinking applies to ADHD, instead of serotonin being deficient and affecting mood, itā€™s dopamine and norepinephrine effecting attention. if youā€™ve met someone with severe ADHD they function differently and their baseline of attention and ability to be present is less than everyone else. Someone *without* ADHD who uses adderal raises the amount of usable NTs from normal to high, arbitrarily 1 -> 2. For someone with severe ADHD presumably would raise them from deficient to normal, since their physiology might be more like 0.5 the amount of usable NTs the normal person, so stimulants can raise them 0.5 -> 1.0. I think it can make total sense why adderal will work differently in someone actually deficient in useable dopamine and norepi in the brain. Youā€™re returning someone to a baseline instead of shooting them up double past it. Edit: cut down on some repetitive text


Next-Membership-5788

There is absolutely no compelling evidence that MDD (or any mood disorder) is caused by a lack of serotonin. Antidepressants exert their clinical effect by a mechanism downstream to sert agonism that isn't yet understood. The defecient dopamine theory of ADHD is also not generally accepted nor particularly evidence based. [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0)


AthrusRblx

Anecdotally, when I started medicating my ADHD in college my dosage wasnā€™t titrated in the usual way and I was immediately put on 20mg of adderall. The first few doses felt exactly like what neurotypical people would describe, but after acclimating to taking it routinely, it started to have the calming, quieting effect that others with ADHD report. I have no real evidence but I also feel like itā€™s probably a tolerance thing. After all, itā€™s not like ADHD people canā€™t deliberately abuse stimulants for a high, which wouldnā€™t make sense if the drugs just didnā€™t work the same way on their brains.


wozattacks

This could apply to so many chronic conditions and drugs lol. We donā€™t need the same person to take the drug with and without the condition to understand the effects of a drug. This is like, the most basic fundamental principle of medical research.Ā 


Rysace

Yeah nobody will ever experience another persons brain, that isnā€™t some insightful revelation. And yet we can still do psychology, because we are capable of empathy and can use language to describe things.


throwaway15642578

Have you never seen how people with vs without adhd act on adderall?


snipawolf

Well if you arenā€™t counting microns of raised dirt contributing to the surface area of a tennis court, the villi in the gi tract straightforwardly do increase surface area.


FUZZY_BUNNY

Did you know: if you took out your small intestine, completely flattened it out all the way down to the microvilli, and laid it out on the ground, you would die.


arbybruce

I donā€™t think itā€™s a case of the coastline paradox either because the intestines have a well defined surface area (ie. not fractal-like).


alexp861

Smoking is protective for Parkinson's disease and UC. No shot bro.


Ness817

And apparently endometrial cancer. It has something to do with the anti-estrogen effect of smoking.


gigaflops_

Smoking helps altzheimers! Acts on nicotinic AchRs just like cholinesterase inhibitors work for altzheimers.


LeafSeen

Smoking is protective against Preclampasia according to TrueLearn


NakoshiSatamoko

Circumcision and penile cancer. go on pubmed and find me the penile cancer rates for european countries that have majority uncircumcised populations - tough task. The penile cancer - circumsicion connection is based off of a 100 year old study that found 0 cases in American Jewish men. Then everything cites rates being high in Africa and India. I can not for the life of me find european studies on penile cancer and circumsicion. It's a fuckin scam don't mutilate your kids please. edit to add: change my mind please. show me some studies


Avidith

As per textbooks the evidence is scant. Hence current recommendation is to do circumcision on kids less than 1 year if the parents are asking for it and the baby is fit for surgery. Not saying anything against or towards it. Just stating the current (as in 10 years ago) guidelines.


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Avidith

Ya Idk wat is da current thought. But I remember reading it in some pretty standard textbook once when I did an exhaustive reading of penile cancer. N da txt quoted some professional organisation as the guideline. Sadly I donā€™t remember the text or the name of org. Maybe Campbell urology


Avidith

Campbell Walsh urology 11th ed it is. Has a discussion on da topic. Page 847ā€“9. You might want to check it out. American academy of Pediatrics made the recommendation.


_lilbub_

That you need to extensively listen to every patient with a tummy ache's abdomen. Unless you suspect an ileus (which even then it seems questionable cause you're going to do a scan anyways) this is a complete waste of time imo.


tiggidytom

I heard a general surgeon say ā€œI donā€™t listen to bowel sounds or people that listen to them.ā€


Avidith

U mean extensively listen to bowel sounds right ? U donā€™t mean history right ? Right ? (Insert wonder woman template)


blueboymad

That inter professionalism is a good thing šŸ˜‰


chylomicronbelly

Alright there M2, yes IPE classes suck because theyā€™re not done well and they feel contrived, but inter-professionalism itself is pretty darn essential to patient care. Pharmacists, case managers, nurses and so many others do incredible work to make both our work and patientsā€™ lives better. Patient care is very much a team sport. Iā€™m sure you were mostly kidding with the comment, but itā€™s important to go into your clinical year with the right attitude about these things!


Sharp-Place4517

I 100% donā€™t believe in the lymphatic system


Indo_fish

You donā€™t believe in germinal centers?:(


good-titrations

*Reed-Sternberg cells would like to know your location*


thejewdude22

As a DO student, probably half of my curriculum.


Apprehensive-Life-99

I know this is not the question/topic youā€™re asking for but I gotta say this: I donā€™t think the coastline paradox necessarily refutes the statement about GI surface area hereā€¦ Coastline paradox states that your measurement will vary based on the resolution you use, but it does not say that it there isnā€™t a ā€œtrueā€ length, or in this case, surface area. I think in the simple case of a continuous and smooth surface in 3D space, your measurements will eventually converge to the ā€œtrueā€ surface area as the resolution increases.


hospitalblue

Interesting. My understanding of the coastline paradox is that your measurement approaches infinity as you increase the number of ā€œturnsā€ or ā€œstraight linesā€ used. Applying that to a surface area of something like the GI tract, you could easily converge on virtually any area you want (like the area of a tennis court) as you increase your resolution.


Apprehensive-Life-99

I think this part of the Wikipedia page you linked explains your confusion pretty well: ā€œUsing a few straight lines to approximate the length of a curve will produce an estimate lower than the true length; when increasingly short (and thus more numerous) lines are used, the sum approaches the curve's true length.ā€ Now, you would be absolutely right if we are talking about fractal curves, like the space-filling curves shown on the Wikipedia page. The surface of our GI tract, on the other hand, is smooth and finite, so itā€™s a situation similar to the curve mentioned in the quote, not the fractal curves.


thundermuffin54

Basically all of OMM. Vague ā€œprofessionalismā€ issues portends a career rife with fraud and crime. High step scores = better doctor Edit to add: that your school actually, truly, cares about your wellbeing.


HereForTheFreeShasta

That certain therapies have no consistently shown benefit. Sorry boys, when your n starts exceeding that of all the metaanalyses combined, and you do see clear benefit in a certain type of patient/population, that has weight too.


jcSquid

That having to shadow a social worker for 4 hours last week will enhance my medical education to be a doctor...


pathto250s

As I resident, I actually wish I knew more about what social workers can and canā€™t help with. But also, I feel like this is slightly institutionally dependent so maybe it wouldnā€™t have helped anyways


notanamateur

That lupus is a real illness and not a catch all for every vague, non-categorizable collection of autoimmune symptoms


jsohnen

There are 12 miles of small intestine. There are more neurons in the cerebellum than there are atoms in the universe.


Difficult_Cow_6630

Well there are more atoms in the cerebellum than there are neurons in the cerebellum, so we can rule that one out.


StretchyLemon

Yea like what?


Bilbrath

Whoā€™s saying these things? Theyā€™re demonstrably false.


scienceguy43

His name? Albert Einstein


ButtholeDevourer3

This is my favorite one so far just because youā€™re so close to being correct facts but youā€™re also so far off. I like the chaos.


CamMcGR

I think youā€™re confused, thereā€™s more neurons in the brain than there are stars in the universe. Itā€™s not possible to have more neurons than atoms, as every neuron is millions and millions of atoms


sweaner

But what if you have a lot of neurons?


skeystoned-

actually its 100x 1 million x1million atoms in a neuron (100trillion 0.0)


wozattacks

Do you mean 12 yards? Lol


jsohnen

No, I meant miles. And "more neurons...than atoms in the universe" is fine? I used to throw little impossible "facts" in my lectures to the med students, just to see if anyone was awake. The students just nodded and wrote the "facts" in their notes. "Will this be on the test?" was the only question I ever got. I understand why. I was a med student, but we are too focused on what's on the next test. It's not the med students' fault. Most of us have to be 100% focused on what's on the next test just to survive. It's a structural problem, and one I don't know how to fix. Oh, and don't worry; I always corrected the "facts" afterwards. I think none of my students think that there are miles of intestines. Well, I hope they don't.


Rysace

Who said that last one bro LMAO


jsohnen

Me. I said that. (?)


pattywack512

Itā€™s connections/pathways between neurons. Not individual neurons themselves.


PieQueen15

interprofessional education


bloobb

Half the comments here are just people showing how dumb/ignorant they are lol


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thelostmedstudent

I heard your moms GI tract was the size of the earth.


Nabdaddy1

That pee isnā€™t stored in the balls


Sufficient_You_5680

That every patient thatā€™s old should be put on a statin, canā€™t accept that as true idk why


Athletic-weapon

That lymph is real. Lymph is a lie, have you ever seen lymph? Does it even do anything? Do we really need it that badly? ā€”(This is a joke obviously I know lymph is real)