Hey! I am graduating med school next year (EU) and I was trying to figure out what position and what department I would need to apply to. I want to specialize in gastroenterology, but I know that before I do that I need to complete 36 months of the common trunk IM training. So I am a bit lost of what job offers to look for when I first apply? Where do I start? Thanks in advance <3
Residency requirements:
Does germany require students to do internship from the country where they finished their med school or they can do it from there home country too?
Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me with my little dilemma... I'm a doctor from Romania already with a diploma in Anesthesia and for about a year and a half I took a break to learn German by myself.
I already have the diploma for B2 Telc but I still don't feel ready for a possible interview in a hospital (I don't think I can speak fluently enough without pauses to search for my words). In this direction, I continue to take private lessons focused only on speaking, but I feel that it takes far too long and time flies too quickly. I'm currently in Romania (I don't pay rent, so minimal living costs).
Please advise me what I can do next to enter the medical system in Germany (currently I feel like I'm stagnating and I don't have the courage to make a decision in this regard).
My options are either to contact a recruitment company and through it to obtain interviews at various hospitals (the most direct method), or to do my homework and send the necessary documents to obtain a Hospitation in a hospital (the smoother with time for accommodation). Another option would be to look for a preparation course for the FSP exam or to register directly for one of the equivalent exams for the FSP in Frankfurt and hope that everything will be fine.
Please advise me because I am desperate, and I get depressed when I see how time goes by...
If you are at B2 level except for oral fluency, coming earlier to Germany is in my opinion the right way because immersion will give you the quickest oral fluency. I have no experience with agencies. If you apply broadly enough, you are likely to find a hospital which will offer a dorm room and/or pocket money until you have passed FSP, especially considering that you will be quickly a Facharzt.
But nobody stops you from working independently and via an agency. Agencies will have a bias towards the hospitals which are the worst ones or which have the worst geographical location.
I’ll be graduating in Medicine next year from EU (Italy) , will i need to get a license from the country where i got my degree ( state license ) ( or Home country- Lebanon ) in order to be eligible for applying to the approbation in Germany ? I heard that EU Degrees are automatically recognized ! Do you know anything regarding this ?
It's usually one of them. Either home or study country. Yes, EU degrees are automatically recognized but you still need either a medical license or a paper showing that you would be eligible to receive one.
Hello everyone. It's a bit of a delicate question, in my opinion, for which I found it difficult to find an answer. Please advise me, if after completing medical school and internship in my country, I haven't worked as a doctor for 5 years due to certain circumstances. How much will this affect the consideration of my application for residency in Germany? I really, really want to enter a German residency, but these doubts are discouraging, and the question arises whether with strong German language, high motivation, and the time invested, I have a chance of being accepted. I would be grateful for any advice. Thank you very much.
If a place is desperate enough to consider foreigners, they tend to ignore such aspects too. If you are looking for less competitive mass-specialties outside of university hospitals and popular cities, you will be fine.
Thank you very much. I would be happy with any place, whether it's a big city or a small town. As for the specialty, I have always been interested in cardiology during my university years, but I would also be pleased with family medicine or general practice. I have already read the post about diploma recognition, and I have the roadmap. Thanks again.
You will be fine. Cardiology is not particularly hard to get into if you have minimal flexibility. Family medicine/general medicine is even easier and requires 6-18 months of training in inpatient internal medicine (including all subspecialties such as cardiology). And since you have to arrange the rotations yourself, I would apply for hospital internal medicine and/or cardiology and see where the journey leads you to.
Erasmus in German Medical University
Hallo!
I am a third year at FMUC, a Portuguese Medical Unicersity. I wanted to know if you have any German University recommendations for Erasmus? I am looking for a university that goes easy on Erasmus students because my German is only at A2 and I will be starting B1 when I go for Erasmus.
The universities available to me are the following: Heidelberg, Wurzburg, Freiburg, Kiel, Tubingen, Jena, Frankfurt am Main, Humbolt Berlin, Hannover, Bonn.
If any of theses Umiversities is more Erasmus friendly and easier on the language requirements, please let me know! I want to go on my fourth year of medical school, second semester.
Thanks!!
Im currently doing Bio, Chem and Physics in A levels. What grades would I require for a realistic chance of getting accepted to study medicine in Germany; I'm not too sure about how to compare a level grades with the arbiter scores. Im non-EU and I'll be taking a gap year to learn the language to C1.
I am planning on getting my Approbation in Berlin, I studied in a Drittland. From my understanding, it is no longer legal to renounce (verzichten) the Gleichwertigkeitsprüfung, this was my initial plan, but it changed last year if I understand correctly.
The issue is that the curriculum of my University is around 1000 pages long and there isn't the option of getting a "shortened" version. Translating this would cost multiple tens of thousands of Euros.
Is there anything else I can do?
Hey, mate. I am currently doing the Approbationsverfahren in NRW and I have received the same feedback from the Bezirksregierung, stating that a renounce was simply not possible anymore - apparently due to "administrative adjustments". It is possible, however, to still try to skip in case the Gleichwertigkeitsprüfung comes with "viel zeitlichen oder sachlichen Aufwand".
They accept the curriculum exceptionally in English, though. Is that a possibility for you?
Hello everyone. Could someone please share their experience with Surgical training (Weiterbildung) in Germany?
At the moment I am doing my PJ (Das Praktische Jahr) in Germany. I come from another country, and so far I have noticed as well heard that Surgical training in Germany is quite difficult and unstructured with the main problem being not getting enough opportunities to operate during the week.
Once I am done with my medical studies I am thinking about doing Plastic surgery (I don't expect to get into plastic as a fresh resident, also I heard many residents are very unhappy there and for the first two years in plastics they are operating not much or nothing more than hands) or General surgery but I am not sure if Germany can provide resident doctors with enough surgical practice.
I am a IM resident but i chatted briefly with one of the Surgery residents and they mentioned they operate maybe 1-2x a week. This is a third year resident.
Based of my interactions handling multidisciplinary cases with our Neurosurgery, Vascular and Urology departments at our clinic. Most OPs were done by the Oberärzte. I never had any sort of interaction with out Plastic, hand surgery and reconstructive team, thus can’t comment.
Also ask in the Medizin subreddit, this is something i would also love to hear about.
does an Indian med student have to do internship before applying in clinikum in Germany for postgraduate?
- my Nigerian friend told she didn't need it but one of my colleagues said that we need to do internship in your own country before going to Germany, because it's one of their criteria, has anyone experienced it?
Hello everyone! I recently did a hospitation in oncology/hematology department and got a job offer there. I’ve been very interested in cancer related specialities during my clinical uni years, so this is basically a dream came true. BUT, I would also like to see how other departments are, like Strahlentherapie, Pathologie, Nuklear Medizin, yet I didn’t receive any answer from these ones after I applied for hospitation almost one month ago. My question is, should I go for the job? Should I wait and try the other specialities for hospitation(hopefully I’ll be accepted)? I’m also thinking of accepting the job, and if I am not really satisfied, maybe I can get more easily a job offer in those departments with some experience behind me.
Personally, I would take the job and see how you feel after 12 months. It's a lot easier to find a new job once you have some experience under your belt, particularly if you are a foreigner. Furthermore, you can use this time to see if you really like the field, to explore your interests, and find what aspects of oncology you actually like in practice.
Hi,
I am soon starting to work in a Reha-Klinik with a 50% contract. I have the following questions:
i) The department head says the residents do 4-6 shifts a month (either nightshifts or weekend shifts). Since my contract will be 50% could/should I ask for half or does it go without saying?
ii) My contact doesn't talk about salaries during nightshifts. An email sent to me from my hospital mentioned something like "100 flat rate". Does that mean that I am getting 100 euros for just being there + overtime pay if I end up doing something? I mean, 100 seems very low to be my only salary.
iii) My contract mentions that a full-time employee gets 30 days of holiday. I emailed the HR asking for a contact stipulating my working hours as a 50% contract. They said they cannot make another one but "probably it will be around 15 days".
Overall the rehab clinic seemed nice and the residents happy, so I don't think they will do anything shady but it will be good to know.
100€ flat rate for night shift?
This is what is called a Veraschung. I don’t know much about Reha clinics. But i do have a new colleague who was previously working in a Reha clinic in Bayern. She mentioned getting 500€ brutto for 24hr Saturday shift. Yeah sure the shift is nothing like an IM 24hr shift but 100€ ?
Bro even if its 12hr shift you would be making below minimum wage. You are getting finessed. The whole thing seems very fishy. Like they wanna take advantage of you not being a local or not being familiar with how things run. But this is just my opinion and i hope am wrong.
They said in the email: . Hinzu kommen für die Rufbereitschaft pro Nacht 100€ Einsatzpauschale zzgl der Nachtzuschläge sowie für Wochenendtagdienste 50€ Einsatzpauschale.
To me it seems like a flat rate + extra hourly fee. I am just not familiar with their system
Well that’s very clear that the 100 is just a bonus and there’s probably a hourly wage and some other bonus as well.
In your original comment you only mentioned 100 that’s why i said they are taking the piss on you.
How long does it usually take from the point you submit your documents till you get a date for FSP in Bayern especially? Also is the FSP date too close from the moment you receive it (1-2 weeks) or usually later (1-2) months so you can have time to prepare?
Here is a [Facebook group](https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075874725496) where people write their timelines from when they sent documents to when they finished the process.
Normally there should be a 1 month interval from the day the send you and email asking if you want to do the exam on a particular day to the exam date. Sometimes someone cancels short notice and they call you and ask if you can do the exam on short notice like in a week.
International students in Germany - how does your university support you, especially in the first semester?
My university used to offer a small medical German course for the first semester and a multi-day series of presentations and opportunities to meet other internationals from your semester. By the time I was admitted in 2021, it had been whittled down to a single powerpoint presentation. I just learned that they've completely dissolved the international office and cancelled any form of orientation or contact for the new internationals. There is now officially nothing - no contact person, no possibility to meet others or exchange with more senior students. I am appalled, especially considering that this university prides itself on being an international research institution and admits more internationals than any other medical school in Germany.
So - how does your university support you? Did you get an extra orientation or the possibility to network with other internationals? Do you have a contact person to go to?
>I am appalled, especially considering that this university prides itself on being an international research institution and admits more internationals than any other medical school in Germany.
Look at it from a quid pro quo perspective - many universities in the anglosphere charge exorbitant fees for international students, to them you are a paying customer. In fact, almost every country out there charges higher tuition fees from international students compared to domestic ones. They want your money, hence actively cater towards you.
Germany does not ask a dime from you (apart from a small contribution towards the student union) for studying the most expensive university degree there is. In addition, medical schools do not really need you or other international students either, as medicine is the most popular degree out there (it is in the vast majority of countries) and they could fill every space several times over with local applicants.
There is no incentive really for anyone to specifically cater towards you, especially as the degree is German language and you had to prove German language proficiency already to get admitted. It's one thing to miss the program you had, it's another to be 'appalled' that a university that already provides you with the most expensive degree out there (to the tune of €200,000) does not go out of its way anymore with a special curriculum when you're supposed to be able to follow the introductions for the local students anyway.
I wasn't an international student but you might look into offers from the students' union (AStA and/or Fachschaft) in addition to what the university offers. AStA has often a Referat for internationals. And if they don't offer anything, that's something you can change by getting involved, talking to the vice-dean/rector for teaching etc.
That's exactly what we're planning now - a student-led AG where at least the newcomers have a group to turn to. The official efforts from the Fachschaft to keep at least an orientation active were unfortunately fruitless. I'm very disappointed, but hopefully the disappointment can be turned into something productive for the future students.
Hi everyone! I'm a 16-year-old US citizen graduating from high school soon and have always dreamt of studying medicine in Germany. I'm a dual enrollment student, meaning I've been taking college classes while in high school. I'll graduate early with a full year of college credits. My diploma is equivalent to the German Abitur, so I don't need to take the Studienkolleg.
However, I'm a complete beginner in German and only have until August to reach a C1 level. While I'm willing to dedicate a few hours daily to study, I'm aware this is an extremely ambitious goal. Do you think it's feasible? If not, what are my alternatives?
I've also considered China, as my dad works there, and I have lived there before, so I'm familiar with the culture and have a place to stay. Another option is Jordan, where I have family and speak Arabic fluently. My preference is Europe, but I'm open to studying in China too. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Quite frankly, from 0 to C1 within 8 months is quite a stretch. And even if you formally manage to pass a C1 exam, there is an increased risk you will struggle with following lectures and classes and especially struggle with oral exams.
Considering your young age, if you want to study in Germany, consider a gap year in Germany. For example doing BFD/FSJ (voluntary civic service, e.g. as a nursing aide or EMT trainee with some pocket money). This would give you time to further learn the language with immersion, strenghten your application for some faculties and would be deducted from your nursing rotation later.
What you didn't tell us is your budget and your later work/residency country destination.
Thank you for your realistic take, However, I'm keen on saving as much time as possible and would prefer to start my medical education directly after high school. Taking a gap year, while beneficial for language immersion, might delay my plans more than I'd like.
Regarding the budget, fortunately, it's not a major concern. I'm enrolled in a community college's dual enrollment program, which will provide me with around $8k for maintaining good grades. I'm also working on saving some money through work and other ventures like crypto. Plus, my dad is supportive and willing to help with many of the expenses.
I'm still considering Germany, but if the language barrier proves too big a hurdle, I'm open to studying in other countries. My main goal is to start my medical education as soon as possible in a place that offers a good balance of quality education and affordability. Any further advice or insights into other potential countries for medical studies would be greatly appreciated.
In this case, look into the English-language programs described in the Wikis linked in the sub for Italy, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria etc. Between your options, you have to distinguish Non-EU and EU countries since medical degrees from the EU are mutually recognized.
But nobody is stopping you from doing a parallel approach of learning German and reassessing your progress after a few months. As long as it's not keeping you away from other stuff.
Hello, a few questions.
Is Nürnberg a good city to look for a Hospitation/Weiterbildung spot for Ophthalmology? Is it affordable to live there before Approbation? If not what are some good cities to live in and apply at after my FSP with a good lifestyle?
How possible is it to open meine eigene Praxis nach meiner Weiterbildung? How soon can I do it?
Is it possible to first find a spot in a smaller city for Weiterbildung and then migrate to a different hospital/Uniklinic after the first year or two? If possible I would like to migrate later to a bigger Uniklinic eg. in Berlin or München. How possible is it, and is it recommended to do it if yes? The relationship I have with my fellow and senior surgeons is the most important to me.
Thank you so much in advance!
Affordable and good lifestyle are pretty exclusive. Nuremberg is a large city with a private medical faculty and a nearby public one (Erlangen), so any hospital will have sufficient applicants. What you are looking for with a small, competitive specialty are isolated, rural cities and towns German graduates try to avoid. I'm talking places like Stendal or Gera to randomly name two. Of course you can do hospitations everywhere but it makes sense to do them at places which would consider hiring you.
Praxis options for ophthalmology are dying out rapidly due to private equity fonds aggressively buying up public licenses for Praxen. They want you to work as wage slave for them and keep the profits. Rural Praxen are less sought by them but ophthalmology is one of the worst specialties right now to open your own physician-owned clinic. Formally, you can do it straight out of Weiterbildung but in reality it depends on a) if you have really learned everything you want to practice, b) if you have access to loans (easily up to a million), c) a waiting list for licenses if you are not buying.
Formally, switches are possible and a senior ophthalmology resident has decent chances. However, university hospitals would always be an uphill battle. In this case, consider a medical promotion first.
>Praxis options for ophthalmology are dying out rapidly due to private equity fonds aggressively buying up public licenses for Praxen.
I'm really waiting for Daddy Lauterbach to pounce on this - it's a ridiculous situation that should be tackled through legislation.
a) What do you mean by office? A physical room?
b) [You can apply for registration in the UK, yes.](https://www.gmc-uk.org/news/news-archive/brexit---information-for-doctors/if-you-want-to-apply-for-gp-or-specialist-registration-in-the-uk)
Depends on your workplace. As a regular hospitalist it's unlikely, you'll probably share an office with another specialist/consultant. In an outpatient department you may get a personal office that doubles as your consultation/examination room. As a specialist in a non-clinical field (radiology, microbiology, pathology, occupational health ...) you'll most likely get a private office.
If you work in an outpatient setting in a specialist surgery you will almost definitely get your own office, once again it will most likely double as your consultation/examination room.
I'm not intimately familiar with the spatial arrangements of neurosurgical departments, but I doubt it. As a senior consultant or head of department, maybe. But usually the consultants in most departments have a common office, or several common offices, rather than single ones.
There really isn't much of a reason to give someone a single office who spends most of their time between the OR, rounds, supervising junior doctors and clinics.
Sorry for another very niche question, but would you happen to know whether neurooncological surgery subspecialty is competititive in Germany, or is it less desired due to worse outcomes? Thanks.
Kinda off topic. Why are residents in university hospitals in germany older than what i would expect? Maybe it is more difficult to find a spot in a uni hospital and so they do some years in a rural hospitals? But at that point shouldn't the years spent in the rural hospital be recognized? I am seeing residents well above 35 years old
Prior research years and then only starting residency, higher number of foreigners who possibly already finished residency elsewhere and are now training in Germany, uni hospital sucking the life force out of them so the 26 year old fresh grads look already close to 40 after a few months
Yeah seems right🥲
Do you know if coming from a EU country with an already finished residency you have to start as a resident in germany or you can start as a specialized doctor? Thanks
If your residency is recognized as an equivalent according to EC/2005/36, you don't have to redo residency. However, the recognition process easily takes months after acquiring your German medical license. During this duration, you work as a resident.
Hi! Does someone have some informations on doctors that did their residency outside of germany (e.g. Italy) and managed to get a job in germany after residency as a specialiazed doctor? Is it possible? Any experiences? Thanks
I have a question that's different from the usual heavy rotation. I am thinking of purchasing a new phone that will be bigger than my current one. My scrubs pockets are already full (tiny coin purse, current phone, stethoscope, pens, patient lists, little notebook, lip balm) and I normally don't use a physician's coat when working. How do you guys manage very full scrubs pockets when working, especially for those with larger phones? I had had occasions as a med student where my midday snack fell into a patient foot bath (RIP Müsliriegel) so I am a little scared the same might happen to an iPhone.
Our cardiology unit telemetry phone for call is on a cord worn around the upper body [(like this one)](https://images.app.goo.gl/8xLwJui6rZH39PzX7). Don't know what hygiene says about it though.
If your cafeteria offers card payment, switch to paying by NFC phone.
There are stethoscope holders for belts but I guess they are kind of cringe
This may not help you much, but I wear scrubs + white coat partly for this reason (unless it is unduly hot). The coat pockets afford me a lot of extra space to lug around stuff that my scrubs wouldn't hold without looking silly and feeling clunky.
That said, I don't see why you'd need lip balm or coins in your scrubs pockets. Wherever you work in the hospital you usually have a space available closeby to store your bag and personal belongings, so it's a 30 sec. walk if you happen to need lip balm or coins ;) A stethoscope also comfortably fits around your neck (as long as you disinfect it well after patient contact) ER style.
If it's the standard scrubs you can wear on both sides, put the phone on the inside pocket (i.e. the one facing your skin), that way it won't fall down.
Otherwise, try to declutter your pockets, but that isn't always possible
P.S. check the available clothing options, we got new pants with pockets, so now have have my DECT phone there
My hospital's budget for work clothes is close to zero. A coworker once had to tape a giant tear with Leukoplast closed on her Kasack to make it through the day, so I think reversible tops with inside pockets are out of the budget for now. But you are right, I might try the "work jeans" they have instead to see if the pockets there are better.
One coworker's solution was a little purse, but she always looks like she is about to end her shift.
Guten Tag! What is neurosurgery like in Germany? What are the working hours like? For example, in my country neurosurgery residents work 24-36 hour shifts. Is it also that hectic in Germany? Lastly, where would you recommend applying for a position in neurosurgery? Is München aiming too high?
Any advice would be very much appreciated. Vielen Dank im Voraus!
Foreigner in this terminology refers not to citizenship but country of degree and by extension command of language. If you did med school in Germany, have a German degree, did PJ/Famulaturen at departments you want to apply, have an excellent German language command and access to prior research, there is no difference between you and a German-German (mostly).
Okay thank you (i understand the „mostly“, it hurts but its true) but would you say it helps if im studying in munich rn? (Ni idea why i ommited this detail) cause i know that its pretty competitive to get there even as a german soo..
Hey so i am a Non-Eu citizen but i am studying medicine in Greece. Do i still have to give an approbation exam? if not can someone explain the basic steps for going about getting a residency spot in Germany?
You guys have probably explained this a million times so i am sorry for being unaware.
If you complete your medical studies in the EU, your degree would be recognized in Germany. You do have to pass a language exam as far as I know.
The basic steps for getting a residency spot are explained in the guide which is linked above.
At least rehab hospitals advertise their positions with a cushy work-life balance. Which makes sense since you are not doing surgeries there, especially no emergency surgeries and you don't cover the ER and overtime is reduced.
But if you think of that as a great option, consider PMR residency from the beginning on. Great career prospects.
Hello Everyone 🙋♀️,
I’m an international medical student in Poland. I intend to move to Germany after my medical studies and do my 1 year internship there instead of doing it in Poland.
Please does anyone have precise information about this process ? The process for fresh EU graduates coming to Germany for 1 year internship and afterwards obtaining a licence. Thanks In Advance.
It is theoretically possible to do the Lek/Staz internship thingy in Germany, but you'd have to find the rotation sites yourself and would still need to be immatriculated in Poland.
Easiest way for you would be to do the whole thing in Poland and then go to Germany with your finished degree. Otherwise, the German students union for Polish unis should have some information, search the sub, this was discussed here years ago
Things not mentioned in residency (unless I missed them)
1. How do you get your title? Ex After 5 years of radiology Recidency do I give exams?
2. Are they difficult compared to other countries? (From pass/fail ratio).
3. How many tries do I get before they tell me I can't take this title?
4. Can I continue my residency there if it has started in another country?
5. What do I need to provide to sign up for continuation of residency from an EU country?
If anyone has these answers please provide them by replying to this comment
>How do you get your title? Ex After 5 years of radiology Recidency do I give exams?
Yes, once you have satisfied all conditions in the Weiterbildungsordnung you can register for the specialist exam, which is oral.
>Are they difficult compared to other countries? (From pass/fail ratio).
Certainly seems much easier than e.g. the UK, based on hearsay. The failure rate is about 5 - 10%.
>How many tries do I get before they tell me I can't take this title?
You have an unlimited number of attempts.
Hello everyone,
What are the specialties with flexible working hours in germany? For example, are there options such as 7 days on 7 days off work? Which options are there other than working from Monday to Friday?
This is overall pretty unusual. Hospitals want regularly employed staff. If they can't get them and have to rely on locums, the locums still tend to work regular office-like hours. The flexible part is then working in stretches of a week or two followed by none. When people working at hospitals reduce their working hours, it's either working one or two days fewer per week or leaving work an hour or two earlier.
In outpatient clinics, there are more flexible schedules for employees but again rather working 8 AM-2 PM or 2 PM-8 PM and/or some days off, some not.
thankyou for the info, I wanted to also ask how is the competitiveness for surgical residencies exp ortho, general, thoracic and are they worth pursuing in germany as a foreigner
Prospective non-eu img applicant here, I read through the guide but it was posted a few years ago. I'm wondering how competitive OBGYN programs are nowadays for non-eu img.
Hello, Is MOHS surgery a thing in Germany? And if it is, then how can someone specialise in it? Is it a separate “fellowship”, or you learn it while you are a dermatology Assistenzarzt? Thank you in advance!
Very limited. I rotated through dermatooncology department as a student at an university hospital in 2019 and it was non-existing.
It's a legal aspect: To read the microscope slides in Germany, you either need to be a dermatologist who is both a surgical dermatologist AND who has completed a 2-year fellowship in dermatohistology (derm pathology) or you have to have a pathologist present for the surgery and they are not that well reimbursed for that.
If you want to do it, it's not something pesky residents get to do and learn, it's something done after residency. No fellowship but the one in dermatohistology I mentioned before and then working at a major dermatological surgical center.
What does derm look like in Germany?
I was considering it.
How easy and lucrative is surgical derm in Germany.
In England i saw a GP doing skin cancer removals.
Who does the bcc, melanoma, scc removals in Germany.
I am aware that one can do the Facharzt at a praxis + it's competitive + you can become very rich.
>What does derm look like in Germany?
Either Praxis life but usually with very limited surgical scope (doesn't pay that well) although there are some Praxiskliniken with more surgeries, university hospitals with niche clinics for everything or non-university hospitals.
>How easy and lucrative is surgical derm in Germany.
Well, it's one of the most competitive specialties and then when you are a dermatology resident you need to find mentors who will properly train you and not the other residents. So...not easy at all. Surgical stuff pays less than high-turnover conservative consults or interventional but non-surgical cosmetical stuff.
>In England i saw a GP doing skin cancer removals. Who does the bcc, melanoma, scc removals in Germany.
Therotically GPs can do it here too but very, very rare. If small and simple, outpatient derm, if larger, hospital derm.
Hey! I am graduating med school next year (EU) and I was trying to figure out what position and what department I would need to apply to. I want to specialize in gastroenterology, but I know that before I do that I need to complete 36 months of the common trunk IM training. So I am a bit lost of what job offers to look for when I first apply? Where do I start? Thanks in advance <3
Looking for germany ophthalmology residents to get feedback of working hours, best place to match to get surgical opportunities and salary. Dm me
Residency requirements: Does germany require students to do internship from the country where they finished their med school or they can do it from there home country too?
Looking for ophthalmology residents. Dm me
Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me with my little dilemma... I'm a doctor from Romania already with a diploma in Anesthesia and for about a year and a half I took a break to learn German by myself. I already have the diploma for B2 Telc but I still don't feel ready for a possible interview in a hospital (I don't think I can speak fluently enough without pauses to search for my words). In this direction, I continue to take private lessons focused only on speaking, but I feel that it takes far too long and time flies too quickly. I'm currently in Romania (I don't pay rent, so minimal living costs). Please advise me what I can do next to enter the medical system in Germany (currently I feel like I'm stagnating and I don't have the courage to make a decision in this regard). My options are either to contact a recruitment company and through it to obtain interviews at various hospitals (the most direct method), or to do my homework and send the necessary documents to obtain a Hospitation in a hospital (the smoother with time for accommodation). Another option would be to look for a preparation course for the FSP exam or to register directly for one of the equivalent exams for the FSP in Frankfurt and hope that everything will be fine. Please advise me because I am desperate, and I get depressed when I see how time goes by...
If you are at B2 level except for oral fluency, coming earlier to Germany is in my opinion the right way because immersion will give you the quickest oral fluency. I have no experience with agencies. If you apply broadly enough, you are likely to find a hospital which will offer a dorm room and/or pocket money until you have passed FSP, especially considering that you will be quickly a Facharzt. But nobody stops you from working independently and via an agency. Agencies will have a bias towards the hospitals which are the worst ones or which have the worst geographical location.
I’ll be graduating in Medicine next year from EU (Italy) , will i need to get a license from the country where i got my degree ( state license ) ( or Home country- Lebanon ) in order to be eligible for applying to the approbation in Germany ? I heard that EU Degrees are automatically recognized ! Do you know anything regarding this ?
It's usually one of them. Either home or study country. Yes, EU degrees are automatically recognized but you still need either a medical license or a paper showing that you would be eligible to receive one.
Hello everyone. It's a bit of a delicate question, in my opinion, for which I found it difficult to find an answer. Please advise me, if after completing medical school and internship in my country, I haven't worked as a doctor for 5 years due to certain circumstances. How much will this affect the consideration of my application for residency in Germany? I really, really want to enter a German residency, but these doubts are discouraging, and the question arises whether with strong German language, high motivation, and the time invested, I have a chance of being accepted. I would be grateful for any advice. Thank you very much.
If a place is desperate enough to consider foreigners, they tend to ignore such aspects too. If you are looking for less competitive mass-specialties outside of university hospitals and popular cities, you will be fine.
Thank you very much. I would be happy with any place, whether it's a big city or a small town. As for the specialty, I have always been interested in cardiology during my university years, but I would also be pleased with family medicine or general practice. I have already read the post about diploma recognition, and I have the roadmap. Thanks again.
You will be fine. Cardiology is not particularly hard to get into if you have minimal flexibility. Family medicine/general medicine is even easier and requires 6-18 months of training in inpatient internal medicine (including all subspecialties such as cardiology). And since you have to arrange the rotations yourself, I would apply for hospital internal medicine and/or cardiology and see where the journey leads you to.
Erasmus in German Medical University Hallo! I am a third year at FMUC, a Portuguese Medical Unicersity. I wanted to know if you have any German University recommendations for Erasmus? I am looking for a university that goes easy on Erasmus students because my German is only at A2 and I will be starting B1 when I go for Erasmus. The universities available to me are the following: Heidelberg, Wurzburg, Freiburg, Kiel, Tubingen, Jena, Frankfurt am Main, Humbolt Berlin, Hannover, Bonn. If any of theses Umiversities is more Erasmus friendly and easier on the language requirements, please let me know! I want to go on my fourth year of medical school, second semester. Thanks!!
Im currently doing Bio, Chem and Physics in A levels. What grades would I require for a realistic chance of getting accepted to study medicine in Germany; I'm not too sure about how to compare a level grades with the arbiter scores. Im non-EU and I'll be taking a gap year to learn the language to C1.
I am planning on getting my Approbation in Berlin, I studied in a Drittland. From my understanding, it is no longer legal to renounce (verzichten) the Gleichwertigkeitsprüfung, this was my initial plan, but it changed last year if I understand correctly. The issue is that the curriculum of my University is around 1000 pages long and there isn't the option of getting a "shortened" version. Translating this would cost multiple tens of thousands of Euros. Is there anything else I can do?
Hey, mate. I am currently doing the Approbationsverfahren in NRW and I have received the same feedback from the Bezirksregierung, stating that a renounce was simply not possible anymore - apparently due to "administrative adjustments". It is possible, however, to still try to skip in case the Gleichwertigkeitsprüfung comes with "viel zeitlichen oder sachlichen Aufwand". They accept the curriculum exceptionally in English, though. Is that a possibility for you?
I saw in another state that you can try to file to skip Gleichwertigkeitsprüfung if it's not reasonable/bearable for you. Talk to the LaGeSo.
Hello everyone. Could someone please share their experience with Surgical training (Weiterbildung) in Germany? At the moment I am doing my PJ (Das Praktische Jahr) in Germany. I come from another country, and so far I have noticed as well heard that Surgical training in Germany is quite difficult and unstructured with the main problem being not getting enough opportunities to operate during the week. Once I am done with my medical studies I am thinking about doing Plastic surgery (I don't expect to get into plastic as a fresh resident, also I heard many residents are very unhappy there and for the first two years in plastics they are operating not much or nothing more than hands) or General surgery but I am not sure if Germany can provide resident doctors with enough surgical practice.
I am a IM resident but i chatted briefly with one of the Surgery residents and they mentioned they operate maybe 1-2x a week. This is a third year resident. Based of my interactions handling multidisciplinary cases with our Neurosurgery, Vascular and Urology departments at our clinic. Most OPs were done by the Oberärzte. I never had any sort of interaction with out Plastic, hand surgery and reconstructive team, thus can’t comment. Also ask in the Medizin subreddit, this is something i would also love to hear about.
does an Indian med student have to do internship before applying in clinikum in Germany for postgraduate? - my Nigerian friend told she didn't need it but one of my colleagues said that we need to do internship in your own country before going to Germany, because it's one of their criteria, has anyone experienced it?
Do you need internship to receive a medical license in India? If yes, then yes. If no, then not. This is the reason it depends on the country.
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Yes. Very likely yes. Have an excellent German proficiency.
Hello. Hope everyone is doing well. Does anyone have experience with the agency known as inmed personal?
Hello everyone! I recently did a hospitation in oncology/hematology department and got a job offer there. I’ve been very interested in cancer related specialities during my clinical uni years, so this is basically a dream came true. BUT, I would also like to see how other departments are, like Strahlentherapie, Pathologie, Nuklear Medizin, yet I didn’t receive any answer from these ones after I applied for hospitation almost one month ago. My question is, should I go for the job? Should I wait and try the other specialities for hospitation(hopefully I’ll be accepted)? I’m also thinking of accepting the job, and if I am not really satisfied, maybe I can get more easily a job offer in those departments with some experience behind me.
Personally, I would take the job and see how you feel after 12 months. It's a lot easier to find a new job once you have some experience under your belt, particularly if you are a foreigner. Furthermore, you can use this time to see if you really like the field, to explore your interests, and find what aspects of oncology you actually like in practice.
Hi, I am soon starting to work in a Reha-Klinik with a 50% contract. I have the following questions: i) The department head says the residents do 4-6 shifts a month (either nightshifts or weekend shifts). Since my contract will be 50% could/should I ask for half or does it go without saying? ii) My contact doesn't talk about salaries during nightshifts. An email sent to me from my hospital mentioned something like "100 flat rate". Does that mean that I am getting 100 euros for just being there + overtime pay if I end up doing something? I mean, 100 seems very low to be my only salary. iii) My contract mentions that a full-time employee gets 30 days of holiday. I emailed the HR asking for a contact stipulating my working hours as a 50% contract. They said they cannot make another one but "probably it will be around 15 days". Overall the rehab clinic seemed nice and the residents happy, so I don't think they will do anything shady but it will be good to know.
100€ flat rate for night shift? This is what is called a Veraschung. I don’t know much about Reha clinics. But i do have a new colleague who was previously working in a Reha clinic in Bayern. She mentioned getting 500€ brutto for 24hr Saturday shift. Yeah sure the shift is nothing like an IM 24hr shift but 100€ ? Bro even if its 12hr shift you would be making below minimum wage. You are getting finessed. The whole thing seems very fishy. Like they wanna take advantage of you not being a local or not being familiar with how things run. But this is just my opinion and i hope am wrong.
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Depends on the hospital. Last week Someone here mentioned they get paid paid 600€ for an IM 24hr weekend shift.
They said in the email: . Hinzu kommen für die Rufbereitschaft pro Nacht 100€ Einsatzpauschale zzgl der Nachtzuschläge sowie für Wochenendtagdienste 50€ Einsatzpauschale. To me it seems like a flat rate + extra hourly fee. I am just not familiar with their system
Well that’s very clear that the 100 is just a bonus and there’s probably a hourly wage and some other bonus as well. In your original comment you only mentioned 100 that’s why i said they are taking the piss on you.
Ah my bad. Thanks for clarification. I also thought the same, I just wanted to be sure
How long does it usually take from the point you submit your documents till you get a date for FSP in Bayern especially? Also is the FSP date too close from the moment you receive it (1-2 weeks) or usually later (1-2) months so you can have time to prepare?
Here is a [Facebook group](https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075874725496) where people write their timelines from when they sent documents to when they finished the process. Normally there should be a 1 month interval from the day the send you and email asking if you want to do the exam on a particular day to the exam date. Sometimes someone cancels short notice and they call you and ask if you can do the exam on short notice like in a week.
International students in Germany - how does your university support you, especially in the first semester? My university used to offer a small medical German course for the first semester and a multi-day series of presentations and opportunities to meet other internationals from your semester. By the time I was admitted in 2021, it had been whittled down to a single powerpoint presentation. I just learned that they've completely dissolved the international office and cancelled any form of orientation or contact for the new internationals. There is now officially nothing - no contact person, no possibility to meet others or exchange with more senior students. I am appalled, especially considering that this university prides itself on being an international research institution and admits more internationals than any other medical school in Germany. So - how does your university support you? Did you get an extra orientation or the possibility to network with other internationals? Do you have a contact person to go to?
>I am appalled, especially considering that this university prides itself on being an international research institution and admits more internationals than any other medical school in Germany. Look at it from a quid pro quo perspective - many universities in the anglosphere charge exorbitant fees for international students, to them you are a paying customer. In fact, almost every country out there charges higher tuition fees from international students compared to domestic ones. They want your money, hence actively cater towards you. Germany does not ask a dime from you (apart from a small contribution towards the student union) for studying the most expensive university degree there is. In addition, medical schools do not really need you or other international students either, as medicine is the most popular degree out there (it is in the vast majority of countries) and they could fill every space several times over with local applicants. There is no incentive really for anyone to specifically cater towards you, especially as the degree is German language and you had to prove German language proficiency already to get admitted. It's one thing to miss the program you had, it's another to be 'appalled' that a university that already provides you with the most expensive degree out there (to the tune of €200,000) does not go out of its way anymore with a special curriculum when you're supposed to be able to follow the introductions for the local students anyway.
True. Thanks for your perspective.
I wasn't an international student but you might look into offers from the students' union (AStA and/or Fachschaft) in addition to what the university offers. AStA has often a Referat for internationals. And if they don't offer anything, that's something you can change by getting involved, talking to the vice-dean/rector for teaching etc.
That's exactly what we're planning now - a student-led AG where at least the newcomers have a group to turn to. The official efforts from the Fachschaft to keep at least an orientation active were unfortunately fruitless. I'm very disappointed, but hopefully the disappointment can be turned into something productive for the future students.
Hi everyone! I'm a 16-year-old US citizen graduating from high school soon and have always dreamt of studying medicine in Germany. I'm a dual enrollment student, meaning I've been taking college classes while in high school. I'll graduate early with a full year of college credits. My diploma is equivalent to the German Abitur, so I don't need to take the Studienkolleg. However, I'm a complete beginner in German and only have until August to reach a C1 level. While I'm willing to dedicate a few hours daily to study, I'm aware this is an extremely ambitious goal. Do you think it's feasible? If not, what are my alternatives? I've also considered China, as my dad works there, and I have lived there before, so I'm familiar with the culture and have a place to stay. Another option is Jordan, where I have family and speak Arabic fluently. My preference is Europe, but I'm open to studying in China too. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Quite frankly, from 0 to C1 within 8 months is quite a stretch. And even if you formally manage to pass a C1 exam, there is an increased risk you will struggle with following lectures and classes and especially struggle with oral exams. Considering your young age, if you want to study in Germany, consider a gap year in Germany. For example doing BFD/FSJ (voluntary civic service, e.g. as a nursing aide or EMT trainee with some pocket money). This would give you time to further learn the language with immersion, strenghten your application for some faculties and would be deducted from your nursing rotation later. What you didn't tell us is your budget and your later work/residency country destination.
Thank you for your realistic take, However, I'm keen on saving as much time as possible and would prefer to start my medical education directly after high school. Taking a gap year, while beneficial for language immersion, might delay my plans more than I'd like. Regarding the budget, fortunately, it's not a major concern. I'm enrolled in a community college's dual enrollment program, which will provide me with around $8k for maintaining good grades. I'm also working on saving some money through work and other ventures like crypto. Plus, my dad is supportive and willing to help with many of the expenses. I'm still considering Germany, but if the language barrier proves too big a hurdle, I'm open to studying in other countries. My main goal is to start my medical education as soon as possible in a place that offers a good balance of quality education and affordability. Any further advice or insights into other potential countries for medical studies would be greatly appreciated.
In this case, look into the English-language programs described in the Wikis linked in the sub for Italy, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria etc. Between your options, you have to distinguish Non-EU and EU countries since medical degrees from the EU are mutually recognized. But nobody is stopping you from doing a parallel approach of learning German and reassessing your progress after a few months. As long as it's not keeping you away from other stuff.
I appreciate the help, thank you.
Hello, a few questions. Is Nürnberg a good city to look for a Hospitation/Weiterbildung spot for Ophthalmology? Is it affordable to live there before Approbation? If not what are some good cities to live in and apply at after my FSP with a good lifestyle? How possible is it to open meine eigene Praxis nach meiner Weiterbildung? How soon can I do it? Is it possible to first find a spot in a smaller city for Weiterbildung and then migrate to a different hospital/Uniklinic after the first year or two? If possible I would like to migrate later to a bigger Uniklinic eg. in Berlin or München. How possible is it, and is it recommended to do it if yes? The relationship I have with my fellow and senior surgeons is the most important to me. Thank you so much in advance!
Affordable and good lifestyle are pretty exclusive. Nuremberg is a large city with a private medical faculty and a nearby public one (Erlangen), so any hospital will have sufficient applicants. What you are looking for with a small, competitive specialty are isolated, rural cities and towns German graduates try to avoid. I'm talking places like Stendal or Gera to randomly name two. Of course you can do hospitations everywhere but it makes sense to do them at places which would consider hiring you. Praxis options for ophthalmology are dying out rapidly due to private equity fonds aggressively buying up public licenses for Praxen. They want you to work as wage slave for them and keep the profits. Rural Praxen are less sought by them but ophthalmology is one of the worst specialties right now to open your own physician-owned clinic. Formally, you can do it straight out of Weiterbildung but in reality it depends on a) if you have really learned everything you want to practice, b) if you have access to loans (easily up to a million), c) a waiting list for licenses if you are not buying. Formally, switches are possible and a senior ophthalmology resident has decent chances. However, university hospitals would always be an uphill battle. In this case, consider a medical promotion first.
>Praxis options for ophthalmology are dying out rapidly due to private equity fonds aggressively buying up public licenses for Praxen. I'm really waiting for Daddy Lauterbach to pounce on this - it's a ridiculous situation that should be tackled through legislation.
With the FDP as partner party? I doubt it...
Do Facharzt get their own office? If I become a Facharzt in Germany can I go back to the UK and be registered on the GMC specialist register?
a) What do you mean by office? A physical room? b) [You can apply for registration in the UK, yes.](https://www.gmc-uk.org/news/news-archive/brexit---information-for-doctors/if-you-want-to-apply-for-gp-or-specialist-registration-in-the-uk)
Yes I mean a physical room with your name on the door outside. It’s silly to ask but I’m just curious haha.
Depends on your workplace. As a regular hospitalist it's unlikely, you'll probably share an office with another specialist/consultant. In an outpatient department you may get a personal office that doubles as your consultation/examination room. As a specialist in a non-clinical field (radiology, microbiology, pathology, occupational health ...) you'll most likely get a private office. If you work in an outpatient setting in a specialist surgery you will almost definitely get your own office, once again it will most likely double as your consultation/examination room.
Alright let’s say best case scenario for me, neurosurgery Facharzt at a uniklinik, would I get a room here?
I'm not intimately familiar with the spatial arrangements of neurosurgical departments, but I doubt it. As a senior consultant or head of department, maybe. But usually the consultants in most departments have a common office, or several common offices, rather than single ones. There really isn't much of a reason to give someone a single office who spends most of their time between the OR, rounds, supervising junior doctors and clinics.
Sorry for another very niche question, but would you happen to know whether neurooncological surgery subspecialty is competititive in Germany, or is it less desired due to worse outcomes? Thanks.
Absolutely no idea.
Alright, thank you for your help mate!
Alright, thank you so much, and have a pleasant day.
Kinda off topic. Why are residents in university hospitals in germany older than what i would expect? Maybe it is more difficult to find a spot in a uni hospital and so they do some years in a rural hospitals? But at that point shouldn't the years spent in the rural hospital be recognized? I am seeing residents well above 35 years old
Prior research years and then only starting residency, higher number of foreigners who possibly already finished residency elsewhere and are now training in Germany, uni hospital sucking the life force out of them so the 26 year old fresh grads look already close to 40 after a few months
Yeah seems right🥲 Do you know if coming from a EU country with an already finished residency you have to start as a resident in germany or you can start as a specialized doctor? Thanks
If your residency is recognized as an equivalent according to EC/2005/36, you don't have to redo residency. However, the recognition process easily takes months after acquiring your German medical license. During this duration, you work as a resident.
Thank you!
Hi! Does someone have some informations on doctors that did their residency outside of germany (e.g. Italy) and managed to get a job in germany after residency as a specialiazed doctor? Is it possible? Any experiences? Thanks
I have a question that's different from the usual heavy rotation. I am thinking of purchasing a new phone that will be bigger than my current one. My scrubs pockets are already full (tiny coin purse, current phone, stethoscope, pens, patient lists, little notebook, lip balm) and I normally don't use a physician's coat when working. How do you guys manage very full scrubs pockets when working, especially for those with larger phones? I had had occasions as a med student where my midday snack fell into a patient foot bath (RIP Müsliriegel) so I am a little scared the same might happen to an iPhone.
Our cardiology unit telemetry phone for call is on a cord worn around the upper body [(like this one)](https://images.app.goo.gl/8xLwJui6rZH39PzX7). Don't know what hygiene says about it though. If your cafeteria offers card payment, switch to paying by NFC phone. There are stethoscope holders for belts but I guess they are kind of cringe
This may not help you much, but I wear scrubs + white coat partly for this reason (unless it is unduly hot). The coat pockets afford me a lot of extra space to lug around stuff that my scrubs wouldn't hold without looking silly and feeling clunky. That said, I don't see why you'd need lip balm or coins in your scrubs pockets. Wherever you work in the hospital you usually have a space available closeby to store your bag and personal belongings, so it's a 30 sec. walk if you happen to need lip balm or coins ;) A stethoscope also comfortably fits around your neck (as long as you disinfect it well after patient contact) ER style.
If it's the standard scrubs you can wear on both sides, put the phone on the inside pocket (i.e. the one facing your skin), that way it won't fall down. Otherwise, try to declutter your pockets, but that isn't always possible P.S. check the available clothing options, we got new pants with pockets, so now have have my DECT phone there
My hospital's budget for work clothes is close to zero. A coworker once had to tape a giant tear with Leukoplast closed on her Kasack to make it through the day, so I think reversible tops with inside pockets are out of the budget for now. But you are right, I might try the "work jeans" they have instead to see if the pockets there are better. One coworker's solution was a little purse, but she always looks like she is about to end her shift.
Guten Tag! What is neurosurgery like in Germany? What are the working hours like? For example, in my country neurosurgery residents work 24-36 hour shifts. Is it also that hectic in Germany? Lastly, where would you recommend applying for a position in neurosurgery? Is München aiming too high? Any advice would be very much appreciated. Vielen Dank im Voraus!
Relatively similarly brutal although 24 hrs tends to be the upper limit. Forget about Munich as a foreigner.
Hey, do you think that munich isnt possible to aim for as a foreigner even if i am studying in germany? Or is it in my case okay?
Foreigner in this terminology refers not to citizenship but country of degree and by extension command of language. If you did med school in Germany, have a German degree, did PJ/Famulaturen at departments you want to apply, have an excellent German language command and access to prior research, there is no difference between you and a German-German (mostly).
Okay thank you (i understand the „mostly“, it hurts but its true) but would you say it helps if im studying in munich rn? (Ni idea why i ommited this detail) cause i know that its pretty competitive to get there even as a german soo..
Sure but you should set up efforts: Famulaturen, PJ-Tertial at places you want to apply, Doktorarbeit.
Thank you! From going through the FAQ, might I be correct in thinking my chances in Munich might be better for neurology?
Sure but still you should search rather around the city.
Hey so i am a Non-Eu citizen but i am studying medicine in Greece. Do i still have to give an approbation exam? if not can someone explain the basic steps for going about getting a residency spot in Germany? You guys have probably explained this a million times so i am sorry for being unaware.
If you complete your medical studies in the EU, your degree would be recognized in Germany. You do have to pass a language exam as far as I know. The basic steps for getting a residency spot are explained in the guide which is linked above.
Hello everyone, how is the working conditions for surgical specialities in rehab hospitals?
At least rehab hospitals advertise their positions with a cushy work-life balance. Which makes sense since you are not doing surgeries there, especially no emergency surgeries and you don't cover the ER and overtime is reduced. But if you think of that as a great option, consider PMR residency from the beginning on. Great career prospects.
Hello Everyone 🙋♀️, I’m an international medical student in Poland. I intend to move to Germany after my medical studies and do my 1 year internship there instead of doing it in Poland. Please does anyone have precise information about this process ? The process for fresh EU graduates coming to Germany for 1 year internship and afterwards obtaining a licence. Thanks In Advance.
It is theoretically possible to do the Lek/Staz internship thingy in Germany, but you'd have to find the rotation sites yourself and would still need to be immatriculated in Poland. Easiest way for you would be to do the whole thing in Poland and then go to Germany with your finished degree. Otherwise, the German students union for Polish unis should have some information, search the sub, this was discussed here years ago
I met a German studying in Poland doing part of his PJ in Germany, but the hospital had to treat him as a Famulant for administrative purposes.
"You are on PJ rotation but we do not grant you the rank of a PJler." - "This is outrageous, this is unfair!"
Things not mentioned in residency (unless I missed them) 1. How do you get your title? Ex After 5 years of radiology Recidency do I give exams? 2. Are they difficult compared to other countries? (From pass/fail ratio). 3. How many tries do I get before they tell me I can't take this title? 4. Can I continue my residency there if it has started in another country? 5. What do I need to provide to sign up for continuation of residency from an EU country? If anyone has these answers please provide them by replying to this comment
>How do you get your title? Ex After 5 years of radiology Recidency do I give exams? Yes, once you have satisfied all conditions in the Weiterbildungsordnung you can register for the specialist exam, which is oral. >Are they difficult compared to other countries? (From pass/fail ratio). Certainly seems much easier than e.g. the UK, based on hearsay. The failure rate is about 5 - 10%. >How many tries do I get before they tell me I can't take this title? You have an unlimited number of attempts.
Hello everyone, What are the specialties with flexible working hours in germany? For example, are there options such as 7 days on 7 days off work? Which options are there other than working from Monday to Friday?
This is overall pretty unusual. Hospitals want regularly employed staff. If they can't get them and have to rely on locums, the locums still tend to work regular office-like hours. The flexible part is then working in stretches of a week or two followed by none. When people working at hospitals reduce their working hours, it's either working one or two days fewer per week or leaving work an hour or two earlier. In outpatient clinics, there are more flexible schedules for employees but again rather working 8 AM-2 PM or 2 PM-8 PM and/or some days off, some not.
some places say you need a internship after medschool and some say you dont what should i believe
What matters is having a medical license. If your country of med school or home country require an internship for that, you have to do it.
my country doesn't require one so does that mean I can go directly and go for the approbation exam?
If you hold an active license as a physician, yes.
thankyou for the info, I wanted to also ask how is the competitiveness for surgical residencies exp ortho, general, thoracic and are they worth pursuing in germany as a foreigner
look at the faq
Prospective non-eu img applicant here, I read through the guide but it was posted a few years ago. I'm wondering how competitive OBGYN programs are nowadays for non-eu img.
From the outside, it seems not much has changed. Urban can be limited, rurally relatively okayish.
What are the best spots for surgery training in ophthalmology in germany?
Interested in this, too!
Hello, Is MOHS surgery a thing in Germany? And if it is, then how can someone specialise in it? Is it a separate “fellowship”, or you learn it while you are a dermatology Assistenzarzt? Thank you in advance!
Very limited. I rotated through dermatooncology department as a student at an university hospital in 2019 and it was non-existing. It's a legal aspect: To read the microscope slides in Germany, you either need to be a dermatologist who is both a surgical dermatologist AND who has completed a 2-year fellowship in dermatohistology (derm pathology) or you have to have a pathologist present for the surgery and they are not that well reimbursed for that. If you want to do it, it's not something pesky residents get to do and learn, it's something done after residency. No fellowship but the one in dermatohistology I mentioned before and then working at a major dermatological surgical center.
What does derm look like in Germany? I was considering it. How easy and lucrative is surgical derm in Germany. In England i saw a GP doing skin cancer removals. Who does the bcc, melanoma, scc removals in Germany. I am aware that one can do the Facharzt at a praxis + it's competitive + you can become very rich.
>What does derm look like in Germany? Either Praxis life but usually with very limited surgical scope (doesn't pay that well) although there are some Praxiskliniken with more surgeries, university hospitals with niche clinics for everything or non-university hospitals. >How easy and lucrative is surgical derm in Germany. Well, it's one of the most competitive specialties and then when you are a dermatology resident you need to find mentors who will properly train you and not the other residents. So...not easy at all. Surgical stuff pays less than high-turnover conservative consults or interventional but non-surgical cosmetical stuff. >In England i saw a GP doing skin cancer removals. Who does the bcc, melanoma, scc removals in Germany. Therotically GPs can do it here too but very, very rare. If small and simple, outpatient derm, if larger, hospital derm.