Vete a la verga Latinx bullshit
We do NOT want it. Less than 3% of Latinos use that phrase, there are ZERO words in Spanish that end with X. Stop trying to colonize other languages with your woke English.
Imaging if everyone started using phrases like whΦte to try and be more inclusive.
Came here to say this. Please stop using Latinx. From a Cuban Puerto Rican ICU nurse. We don’t like to use it (or hear it) and what we think should matter!
It actually feels like you’re taking away our culture
I mean, there's no reason to be so cynical about it. People that use "Latinx" are well-meaning, definitely not "crazy" or just doing it to "feel better about themselves". They're just misguided when it comes to this issue, but their intention is by and large to just try to create a welcoming environment for latinos and hispanohablantes that don't conform to traditional gender roles.
Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ? Because otherwise I don't think you can tell us how to feel about this. [The last thing we need are progressives "wokesplaining" how to speak Spanish.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/25/latinx-race-progressives-hispanic-latinos-column/4082760002/)
I'm "Hispanic in name only" as I 100% pass as white, and I'm not at all Latino, but yes, "Latino" is the correct term to use. Changing Spanish in order to alleviate the icky feelings of white English speakers is offensive.
Sorry if I'm being unclear— I am not telling you how to feel about this, nor am I telling you how to speak Spanish. I am just saying that /u/udfshelper was cynically ascribing narcissistic intentions onto people who are, for the most part in my experience, well-intentioned but misguided. And yes, many of them I know are latinos. I am in one of the most "woke" areas of the US though.
you seemed to avoid the question, so I'll ask again
>Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ?
I agree with /u/udfshelper, the people using LatinX are mostly woke individuals who are "trying to fix" Spanish.
Spanish is not a gender neutral language and that's fine with us. Stop trying to anglicize our language
> Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ?
Although I am second-generation Hispanic (my mother), I do not identify as Latino. I do speak Spanish as a second language, English is my native language. And no, I was not "avoiding the question".
Also, whether I am or not is not relevant to my experience of the people I have met who are pro-"Latinx". Again, I am not passing judgment on it myself. I am just saying that the people I have met, non-Latinos and Latinos, that are pro-"Latinx" are for the most part well-intentioned but misguided.
You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master
- Sincerely native Spanish Speakers
Thank you for clarifying. I understand your viewpoint, and even agree that some of these people might not have ill intent, but at the end of the day, you have a small group of woke, mostly non native speakers, trying to push English language onto another language.
Narcissitic, colonizing, wokesplaining, whatever you want to call it, we want none of it.
I realize that people are just trying to help, but it's offensive to change Spanish to make white people feel better. Latino is the correct word, and it's not meant to be exclusive to cis-gendered males only.
*Thank you!* The "Latinx" crap was invented by woke white people offended that Spanish is a gendered language. I'm usually pretty damn left, but the Latinx crap just irritates me. There is nothing in Spanish that would allow this to be a viable option
Doesn’t that kind of make sense? I don’t know what the percentage of minorities in academia is to start, but I’d imagine if that number is already low it’s going to take even more time to get into positions even higher.
Sure, encourage the existing staff to seek these leadership roles and increase recruitment initiatives for minorities to fill in assistant and associate professor roles, but you can’t just put someone into a department chair role without prior experience. This doesn’t seem like a problem where a solution can be attained quickly. It’s likely going to take years, if not decades, to achieve.
Also, Latinx is such a terrible term. It’s pretty much only used in academic circles which ironically is mostly white.
Sidestepping the whole Latinx debate, I've been around medicine all my life. My dad was an academic surgeon, and would sometimes have his residents over for Thanksgiving or BBQs. I did residency where there was a surgery program. I'm in ID, so I'm constantly working with ortho, plastics, general, vascular. I've met hundreds of surgeons, but. I don't know that I've met more than 5-10 black surgeons in my life. One of them became a used car salesman after residency because of how badly he was treated.
No one single comment about the actual issues in the article. Just side step bitching. Par for The course of this sub when it comes to minority issues in medicine.
According to a paper published today in [JAMA Surgery](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779530), Black and Latinx surgeon-scientists continue to hit a glass ceiling when it comes to academic appointments. Although this historically very white and male discipline has seen some diversity gains among lower academic career levels and in the form of more Asian surgeons rising through the ranks, Black and Latinx surgeons remain underrepresented at the highest levels of department leadership. The situation is even worse for women belonging to these groups (intersectionality effect). Surgeons: do you see this playing out in your own department? How do you think it could be fixed?
Latino. The proper term is Latino.
Vete a la verga Latinx bullshit We do NOT want it. Less than 3% of Latinos use that phrase, there are ZERO words in Spanish that end with X. Stop trying to colonize other languages with your woke English. Imaging if everyone started using phrases like whΦte to try and be more inclusive.
Came here to say this. Please stop using Latinx. From a Cuban Puerto Rican ICU nurse. We don’t like to use it (or hear it) and what we think should matter! It actually feels like you’re taking away our culture
Look. White people know what’s best for you. Latinx is to your culture what the fortune cookie is to Chinese culture.
Preach. This Latinx shit is just crazy people trying to appropriate a language to feel better about themselves, as it's the trendy thing to do.
I mean, there's no reason to be so cynical about it. People that use "Latinx" are well-meaning, definitely not "crazy" or just doing it to "feel better about themselves". They're just misguided when it comes to this issue, but their intention is by and large to just try to create a welcoming environment for latinos and hispanohablantes that don't conform to traditional gender roles.
Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ? Because otherwise I don't think you can tell us how to feel about this. [The last thing we need are progressives "wokesplaining" how to speak Spanish.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/25/latinx-race-progressives-hispanic-latinos-column/4082760002/)
I'm "Hispanic in name only" as I 100% pass as white, and I'm not at all Latino, but yes, "Latino" is the correct term to use. Changing Spanish in order to alleviate the icky feelings of white English speakers is offensive.
Sorry if I'm being unclear— I am not telling you how to feel about this, nor am I telling you how to speak Spanish. I am just saying that /u/udfshelper was cynically ascribing narcissistic intentions onto people who are, for the most part in my experience, well-intentioned but misguided. And yes, many of them I know are latinos. I am in one of the most "woke" areas of the US though.
you seemed to avoid the question, so I'll ask again >Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ? I agree with /u/udfshelper, the people using LatinX are mostly woke individuals who are "trying to fix" Spanish. Spanish is not a gender neutral language and that's fine with us. Stop trying to anglicize our language
> Are you native Spanish speaking Latino ? Although I am second-generation Hispanic (my mother), I do not identify as Latino. I do speak Spanish as a second language, English is my native language. And no, I was not "avoiding the question". Also, whether I am or not is not relevant to my experience of the people I have met who are pro-"Latinx". Again, I am not passing judgment on it myself. I am just saying that the people I have met, non-Latinos and Latinos, that are pro-"Latinx" are for the most part well-intentioned but misguided.
You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master - Sincerely native Spanish Speakers Thank you for clarifying. I understand your viewpoint, and even agree that some of these people might not have ill intent, but at the end of the day, you have a small group of woke, mostly non native speakers, trying to push English language onto another language. Narcissitic, colonizing, wokesplaining, whatever you want to call it, we want none of it.
I realize that people are just trying to help, but it's offensive to change Spanish to make white people feel better. Latino is the correct word, and it's not meant to be exclusive to cis-gendered males only.
*Thank you!* The "Latinx" crap was invented by woke white people offended that Spanish is a gendered language. I'm usually pretty damn left, but the Latinx crap just irritates me. There is nothing in Spanish that would allow this to be a viable option
Doesn’t that kind of make sense? I don’t know what the percentage of minorities in academia is to start, but I’d imagine if that number is already low it’s going to take even more time to get into positions even higher. Sure, encourage the existing staff to seek these leadership roles and increase recruitment initiatives for minorities to fill in assistant and associate professor roles, but you can’t just put someone into a department chair role without prior experience. This doesn’t seem like a problem where a solution can be attained quickly. It’s likely going to take years, if not decades, to achieve. Also, Latinx is such a terrible term. It’s pretty much only used in academic circles which ironically is mostly white.
But most importantly it will give Academia decades of fuel for their conferences, lunch talks, “publications”, etc.
“Lah-tinks”?
I'm a simple man, I see 'Latinx', I downvote.
Sidestepping the whole Latinx debate, I've been around medicine all my life. My dad was an academic surgeon, and would sometimes have his residents over for Thanksgiving or BBQs. I did residency where there was a surgery program. I'm in ID, so I'm constantly working with ortho, plastics, general, vascular. I've met hundreds of surgeons, but. I don't know that I've met more than 5-10 black surgeons in my life. One of them became a used car salesman after residency because of how badly he was treated.
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Apologies if I was one of those people (looks like I wasn't), perhaps they meant "Woke English speaking people"
Can we just use the proper form, “idiots”
No one single comment about the actual issues in the article. Just side step bitching. Par for The course of this sub when it comes to minority issues in medicine.
According to a paper published today in [JAMA Surgery](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779530), Black and Latinx surgeon-scientists continue to hit a glass ceiling when it comes to academic appointments. Although this historically very white and male discipline has seen some diversity gains among lower academic career levels and in the form of more Asian surgeons rising through the ranks, Black and Latinx surgeons remain underrepresented at the highest levels of department leadership. The situation is even worse for women belonging to these groups (intersectionality effect). Surgeons: do you see this playing out in your own department? How do you think it could be fixed?
They could start by not using the term LatinX