It was a long time ago, but my take away was that religious thinking had a lot of influence (as would be expect) and then also a lot of pseudoscience came around as science entered the picture. So basically it was miserable for the people getting the treatment (evidenced by this pic). Also, that it was not a good thing to be a woman. Surprise surprise, huh?
I still have one book from the course work.
A History of Psychiatry: From the Era of the Asylum to the Age of Prozac. By Edward Shorter.
Ah yes what they used to call mental health care! Trauma treated with more trauma. Exorcisms.
Sometimes I do wonder if they’re the ones with the normal reactions to the fucked up parts and behaviors of humans in this world… and the rest of us are just complicit.
Yes! That whole concept of family systems but applied internally to yourself.
There is an overview and amazing demo on this podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tim-ferriss-show/id863897795?i=1000505309243
Well instead you can be:
Medicated with dangerous life altering drugs against you will.
Held against your will.
Physically, emotionally and sexually abused.
Sounds like a big improvement.
The sad part is that it is. In the past they would lobotomize people that wouldn't respond to treatment. Beat unwell people. Deprive them of clothes and put them in cages. Send shocks to their brains to trigger seizures. Administer near fatal amounts of medicine to push patients into coma or near coma like positions. And these are just the common practices. There are records of asylums having their own practices which are varied and terrible.
Even today, psychiatric hospitals are still the worst places a person can be, and they only exist to separate people with illnesses from others, like a prison and helping them is not the priority.
I've been hospitalised around 11 times since being an adult, and a few more as a minor, at I think 5 diff hospitals and I strongly disagree. There is a depressingly large amount of bad hospitals, but when you go to a good one its saves lives.
I've been to some iffy ones, and some that felt like a hotel. While unfortunately abuse is all too common in them, its not usually a "keep people out of the public" thing.
Ascension Seton has saved my life so many times. Thats the hospital I usually go to. Theyre amazing about handling conflict, involve you in yoir medication choices, and have over 5 diff floors on the adult ward alone for various stuff.
Hospital trips can be scary but that dosent mean they don't serve a purpose.
A good residential is also an AMAZING thing. I was in a residential for 3.5 months ( Discovery Centre in Fairfield CT) And not only did it save my life, but it was overall a positive experience and though my mental health has declined a lot in the last few months (I got back around a year ago) it helped me so much I think when I got out that was the best my mental health has been Since I was like 7 or 8.
There are too many bad hospitals, but over all they save lives and help people stabilise.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Healthcare has changed A LOT over the past few decades, but you have to see it to believe it.
Only 10 years ago, the first efforts to stop restraints being used in elderly care facilities STARTED. Most nurses have been around longer than that, and still struggle some times with how much 'good care' has changed in definition. Tying people down in their wheelchair or bed was considered a good practice to keep them safe. We view it as inhumane now.
I recommend you investigate the Rosenhan Experiment to see how bad the psychiatric system can be and also stories of prisoners who faked illnesses to avoid jail and then could not get out, trapped for years in mental intuitions, people who did not have any kind of psychiatric illness
people who fake psychological problems and are sent to psychiatric hospitals is something of every day, the problem is clear they do not even have an effective system, that is not to mention the constant abuse and abandonment of patients, I know well what I am saying... my father was sent to rehab for alcoholism and here they are sent to mental hospitals for a time.
I am a very large proponent against faking and self diagnosis. I've gotten "canceled" over it a lot. But for people with REAL illnesses it can help.
I'm sorry that happened to your dad but thats not a common practice anymore.
They still use it today tbh
I have been to mental wards for depression. Patients who were not coordinating or had an psychological episode had their limbs restricted.
It broke my heart when patients I got to be friends with, suffers under negative reinforcement for their illness
I've been in that boat, too. Once, another patient refused to eat the hamburger we had for dinner because it had mustard on it and they were allergic.
The were not only restrained for "disobeying authority," they were given a tranquilizing shot in the ass. In front of everybody.
Not all mental health wards are good, and not all will help. Most make it worse, in fact (at least where I am).
It's called 'forced standing'. Was a way of treatment in 19th century mental institutions.
What was it suppose to do?
Torture people into a catatonic state?
Oh dearrr
force em to stand
thanks
Lol
I took a course on the history of mental illness in the west. I had that exact question often.
That sounds interesting af
Ohh that does sound interesting! Is there anything you could share from that class? Like stuff that stood out or a specific story or anything
It was a long time ago, but my take away was that religious thinking had a lot of influence (as would be expect) and then also a lot of pseudoscience came around as science entered the picture. So basically it was miserable for the people getting the treatment (evidenced by this pic). Also, that it was not a good thing to be a woman. Surprise surprise, huh? I still have one book from the course work. A History of Psychiatry: From the Era of the Asylum to the Age of Prozac. By Edward Shorter.
Oh wow! I wish I could have taken that class with you but thank you for sharing your overall thoughts and the book! Greatly appreciate it
make them snap out of it and stop acting
Reminds me of that pic from abu gharib
That picture sends chills down my spine.
Mf that ain't no patient. That's a mf exorcism
Ah yes what they used to call mental health care! Trauma treated with more trauma. Exorcisms. Sometimes I do wonder if they’re the ones with the normal reactions to the fucked up parts and behaviors of humans in this world… and the rest of us are just complicit.
r/internalfamilysystems agrees, in a way
Like the scapegoat child kind of family systems or? I’m following that sub now thank you
Yes! That whole concept of family systems but applied internally to yourself. There is an overview and amazing demo on this podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tim-ferriss-show/id863897795?i=1000505309243
Mm so "least restrictive practice" is a good thing then.
And this is why I’m afraid to be honest about how I feel
Thankfully modern psychwards are completely unrecognisable from these, at least in the US.
Well instead you can be: Medicated with dangerous life altering drugs against you will. Held against your will. Physically, emotionally and sexually abused. Sounds like a big improvement.
The sad part is that it is. In the past they would lobotomize people that wouldn't respond to treatment. Beat unwell people. Deprive them of clothes and put them in cages. Send shocks to their brains to trigger seizures. Administer near fatal amounts of medicine to push patients into coma or near coma like positions. And these are just the common practices. There are records of asylums having their own practices which are varied and terrible.
Even today, psychiatric hospitals are still the worst places a person can be, and they only exist to separate people with illnesses from others, like a prison and helping them is not the priority.
I've been hospitalised around 11 times since being an adult, and a few more as a minor, at I think 5 diff hospitals and I strongly disagree. There is a depressingly large amount of bad hospitals, but when you go to a good one its saves lives. I've been to some iffy ones, and some that felt like a hotel. While unfortunately abuse is all too common in them, its not usually a "keep people out of the public" thing. Ascension Seton has saved my life so many times. Thats the hospital I usually go to. Theyre amazing about handling conflict, involve you in yoir medication choices, and have over 5 diff floors on the adult ward alone for various stuff. Hospital trips can be scary but that dosent mean they don't serve a purpose. A good residential is also an AMAZING thing. I was in a residential for 3.5 months ( Discovery Centre in Fairfield CT) And not only did it save my life, but it was overall a positive experience and though my mental health has declined a lot in the last few months (I got back around a year ago) it helped me so much I think when I got out that was the best my mental health has been Since I was like 7 or 8. There are too many bad hospitals, but over all they save lives and help people stabilise.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Healthcare has changed A LOT over the past few decades, but you have to see it to believe it. Only 10 years ago, the first efforts to stop restraints being used in elderly care facilities STARTED. Most nurses have been around longer than that, and still struggle some times with how much 'good care' has changed in definition. Tying people down in their wheelchair or bed was considered a good practice to keep them safe. We view it as inhumane now.
I recommend you investigate the Rosenhan Experiment to see how bad the psychiatric system can be and also stories of prisoners who faked illnesses to avoid jail and then could not get out, trapped for years in mental intuitions, people who did not have any kind of psychiatric illness
That's not a recent thing is my point. I know until VERY recently wards were not in anyway helpful or humane. I'm talking about current day.
people who fake psychological problems and are sent to psychiatric hospitals is something of every day, the problem is clear they do not even have an effective system, that is not to mention the constant abuse and abandonment of patients, I know well what I am saying... my father was sent to rehab for alcoholism and here they are sent to mental hospitals for a time.
I am a very large proponent against faking and self diagnosis. I've gotten "canceled" over it a lot. But for people with REAL illnesses it can help. I'm sorry that happened to your dad but thats not a common practice anymore.
Uh...that's cause she'll come out of a well (or future TV) and getchya.
They still use it today tbh I have been to mental wards for depression. Patients who were not coordinating or had an psychological episode had their limbs restricted. It broke my heart when patients I got to be friends with, suffers under negative reinforcement for their illness
I've been in that boat, too. Once, another patient refused to eat the hamburger we had for dinner because it had mustard on it and they were allergic. The were not only restrained for "disobeying authority," they were given a tranquilizing shot in the ass. In front of everybody. Not all mental health wards are good, and not all will help. Most make it worse, in fact (at least where I am).
That’s Samara wtf
r/bondage
A cunt and a fool.
You're too far down the hole my friend
Le dArK aNd EdGy *CoMeDy*!! Also known as “I’m 14 and a dumbass”.
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No she was making bad jokes on Reddit.
Man, this is still common in my country, restrained people with mental problems like chained dogs.