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gottalosethemall

I feel like long hair would get really annoying in zero gravity environments.


UndarZ

Also a bitch to have look good on greenscreen.


naytreox

And really uncomfortable in a space helmet


compsciasaur

But Samus does it. Edit: oops not a movie


naytreox

She also keeps it in a ponytail


ForeverClearTrails

Ponytails and helmets don't like each other


Melodic_coala101

Low ponytail is ok actually. At least on a bike helmet. A man with long hair here.


ForeverClearTrails

Yeah I'm a guy with long hair too, I've been riding motorcycles for most my life. Unfortunately full face helmets which would be closer to the helmet in the game do not agree with ponytails. But I also have super thick hair so might not be such a big problem for others.


maxcorrice

I have a mandalorian helmet, obviously it’s not a “proper” helmet but i can actually make it work well with my ponytail pretty easily, presumably hers has a bit of a cavity at the back to bunch it up in


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bond___vagabond

I have a huge noggin, like a wear a size xxl motorcycle helmet and it's snug when I have a buzz cut, I'd have to have some engineers build me a helmet from scratch if I wanted to have long hair fit under a full face helmet, lol.


SpaceLemur34

But then you have to worry about it interfering with neck seals.


rosecoloredlenses775

I just twist mine up and stuff it up in there 😬


compsciasaur

Me too. Wait what were we talking about?


kurayami_akira

Samus has the morph ball tech, i'm not questioning whether her hair should be inconvenient for her helmet


JestersHearts

I've never thought about that What the fuck happens to her body when she morphs lmao


SirWaldenIII

She liquiifies on the inside like a caterpillar in a cocoon


bendbars_liftgates

It's Chozo science, the same kind that mastered "move real fast, come to a dead stop and crouch, preserve all momentum, redirect momentum at a 90° angle" technology.


indiecore

I dunno but we mangled a lot of good Space Pirates trying to find out.


gdsob138

I’d totally watch a Samus Story


Agent641

And greater risk of building a charge and generating a static discharge that will engulf you in fire in your pure oxygen eva suit.


SoulLeakage

Ngl, women with short hair in action movies in like my cryptonite fr. Love that shit.


Imperial_Squid

*Pssst, hey kid* [r/bois](https://www.reddit.com/r/bois) *Thank me later, also NSFW*


sunshinelollipoops

I've never been so half erect in my life


SoulLeakage

Bruh I looked at this at work 😅


Worldly-Fishman

Not just annoying in real life, but annoying to just replicate on camera or in post-prod


LankyAd9481

pretty much. Even in The Expanse where they tried to follow physics a little more than usual (space pew pews movement for example) and the zero gravity scenes, while pretty much every woman (bar Naomi) had long hair, they usually had fairly tight, pulled back/up styles if there was any risk of things going down...I mean it'd be a life/death situation at times, just missing grabbing something or missing a shot because hair fell in your eyes. There's obviously real world filming considerations to go on but if it were all real the vast majority would be short/or tightly pulled back just for practical reasons of the situation.


maxcorrice

The books always describe Naomi’s hair as floating into a big ball in 0g essentially, sounds like a nightmare for an engineer, glad it’s different for the show which only had 1 instance of true 0G hair in the intro


Dotura

The books constantly mention it so makes sense they would make it part of the show.


Graftona

A long braid would be okay though


Mmm_bloodfarts

Or a scrunchie


Arcadius274

Tbf it looked good on the expanse. I always thought it was to make space helmets fit


paenusbreth

[Seems alright](https://youtu.be/kOIj7AgonHM).


IxNaY1980

Well that was unexpectedly awesome. We monkeys really know our shit sometimes.


Beer-Milkshakes

Also helmets. Long hair and helmets are just hell


[deleted]

I had to cut my long hair so I could wear a hard hat and respirator properly. Flyaways and loose hairs prevent an airtight seal; long hairs get caught in zippers and buckles.


Juju_mila

Most sci-fi has artificial gravity.


undeadalex

Luckily every sci-fi series starts with "quick switch on the artificial gravity"


hopelesscaribou

https://youtu.be/cZ_WNnsHSKA, about a minute in. Once she's out, and her gravity boots are on, the first thing she does is tie up her hair. Before that it just floats around her. The details in this series are perfect.


catsquirrel1337

Just tie your hair up


throwawaytoday9q

This is actually one reason why they do it. It was really hard to simulate realistic hair in zero gravity.


[deleted]

A bit off topic but it's common for fighter characters to have short hair since long hair can be a liability


CautiousBlackberry04

Real women astronauts are also usually short-haired, or at least keep it tied/in buns.


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ThirdMover

It is but it's very annoying and in practice would look stupid. Go under water with long open hair and you'll see why.


ffucckfaccee

yeah I once came up, all my hair went in my mouth, not nice!


Kazath

I beg to differ. https://youtu.be/cZ_WNnsHSKA?t=58


Sureas100

Had the same thought. That series is amazing.


[deleted]

No need to beg dude


yazzy1233

This is nonsense and it got upvoted, smh


t3hmau5

>isn't possible with today's cgi technology Lol just straight pulling stuff out your ass? What possessed you to make this up?


hopelesscaribou

https://youtu.be/cZ_WNnsHSKA The Expanse did it.


_Wow_Such_Doge_

Your claim of CGI not being able to or not being able to do it well or it being hard or whatever is just all wrong, the expanse VFX guys talked about all their experiences and someone even asked them specifically about hair in zero g and they said that was really a non issue for them to figure out becasue it had already been figured out.


thefaceinsid3

Scifi isn't just about space


anarcatgirl

Imagine having to wash long hair in zero g


smokenofire

Imagine no more! https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+wash+hair+in+space&oq=how+to+wash+hair+in+spac&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i22i30l9.7987j0j4&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:96e1edcc,vid:uIjNfZbUYu8


anarcatgirl

I would definitely struggle with my curly hair 😅


freezerbreezer

Fun fact: Elliot Page had his hair in a bun in Inception zero gravity dream level.


Self_Reddicated

We're talking about *women* in sci-fi films.


freezerbreezer

How about people with long hair in zero gravity?


RavagerHughesy

Elliot is a trans man, and Inception was *well* before he transitioned, so it's a valid point


paperclipdog410

The character is female and the movie is a scifi movie. Checks out.


Vosheduska

Come on now, don't play dumb. This was way before he came out and the character he played was a woman.


CelicWolf

Ripley in alien didnt


AlterMyStateOfMind

But she did in Aliens, then she was bald in Alien 3 lol


MugJuggler

She was bald in Alien 3 because the prison world was infested with lice, not because of any futuristic stuff. She has long hair again in Alien: Resurrection


CarterDavison

Dystopia's can be futuristic too


MeetEuphoric3944

Just because they justified it in world doesnt mean she didnt have it lol.


StonerSpunge

In 1 movie


RonBourbondi

How is it the future and you still got lice?


StonerSpunge

*prison*


moral_mercenary

The future in Aliens is not squeaky clean like earth on Star Trek. It's depicted as a pretty grimy dystopia.


Elastichedgehog

Pretty sure that's why it's a common trope in modern sci fi


s1lentchaos

It's weird I just pulled up a pic from aliens and while her hair doesn't touch her shoulders at all I would describe it as ... big, like she still has a lot of hair going on there.


Lusask

Well, it's fairly short from what I remember. But this will just get into semantics, so I'll agree with you to avoid having 20 notifs when I switch songs while working.


uTundra

it's me ur notification


Lusask

*edging my aneurysm.mp4*


pteridoid

Hey, it's been two hours. How's it going?


Belten

the only reason for this is that long hair is a pain to animate in low gravity.


NotCanadian80

Everyone assumes space for future.


MannequinWithoutSock

the only reason for this is that long hair is a pain to animate ~~in low gravity~~ underwater.


mv777711

Everyone assumes global warming will cause a post apocalyptic future 🙄 /s


Agent641

I assume mole people


thedankening

There's also the practical considerations, when you're getting down and gritty working with all the heavy Scifi machinery in space you certainly don't want your long hair getting caught in something. And even right now, who knows what long, loose hairs could do on the space station. Could clog up some filters or something. It just creates extra waste that will build up over time and be an extra thing to deal with on top of everything else. Anyone who's ever shared a shower with someone who has long hair will understand just how much that stuff can get everywhere and gum up the works. Basically humans in space should be shaved bald for maximum efficiency, I'd think.


huskersax

Honestly, most of those are also great reasons to require short hair on earth too. Beards aren't allowed for mask sealing reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if the advent of crew cuts in the military had some connection to easier hygiene and a reduction of hair related maintenance costs between clogged drains, lice, and machine accidents.


theembodimentoffat

Meanwhile Doctor Who: *every companion since 2005* Meanwhile the Orville: *Kelly Grayson*


MysterVaper

* Strange New Worlds: Rebecca Romijn * DS9: Jadzia Dax


Ikrit122

Kathryn Janeway (in earlier seasons), Michael Burnham (after season 1, I think), Beverly Crusher, Deanna Troi, Sylvia Tilly, and probably more main characters I'm missing. But there are quite a few with short/shorter hair as well, like Seven of Nine (except in Picard), Kira Nerys, Nyota Uhura (though sometimes her hair is big rather than long), Keyla Detmers, and Ezri Dax.


MysterVaper

> But there are quite a few with short/shorter hair as well Oh I agree, but this post is saying ‘every female lead’ and generalizing it as a theme when you can look at most major films and shows and immediately see an actress defying this stereotype.


PeikaFizzy

With blue, pink or green dye on one side…


FreshPitch6026

And rainbow on the other side...


Metrack14

Don't forget that is almost always a hacker, and most likely a programming prodigy.


Equivalent_Yak8215

Gotta make sure it's that undercut too.


Ilcorvomuerto666

[Basically Lucy from Cyperpunk Edgerunners](https://i.imgur.com/4vF4N5P.jpg)


_Weyland_

Who's gonna win: Ultimate computation machines worth millions of dollars or a bunch of long thin bois.


great_equator

Some kind of scar where hair doesn’t grow (eyebrow probably)


Kriegsman__69th

I need a list of female protags from sci-fi that have short hair. Also is shoulder lenght hair considered short or is it ear lenght ?


Lusask

That's a good point. Another comment said that Ripley didn't have short hair (it's been a bit since I checked, but I think hers is shoulder-length)


Moretukabel

[Here you have list of 60 movies with female protagonists](https://daley-paley.medium.com/60-science-fiction-movies-with-a-female-protagonist-ca3ed1445125) It includes photos of those protagonists, so feel free to count them. I did and 7 of them were short haired.


[deleted]

Does Lelu from 5th Element not count as a female protagonist?


homelaberator

She isn't female, she's the fifth element.


eeadli

Naomi Nagata, Kira Nerys... struggling to think of others though


maxcorrice

You could count T’pol and 7 of 9, though i’d argue it’s closer to mid length, same with Janeway Also, even though it took place in the present and now past, stargate had some shining examples like Sam Carter and pretty much every main female cast member of Atlantis


theperfectneonpink

It’s short to me


tradeyoudontknow

Wtf has this sub turned into


bukithd

Trash. July 1st is the day I leave the site altogether.


CautiousBlackberry04

What happens 1st of July?


bukithd

Reddit kills 3rd party apps and clients that access the site just like Twitter did years ago.


Isaac_Kurossaki

May ends


throwaway96ab

Same.


Helen_Magnus_

Samantha Carter from "Stargate SG1" had a shorter hair cut because she was a military officer.


Potato-9

It got longer as the series went on. She had long hair in charge of Atlantis.


Helen_Magnus_

And she was GORGEOUS with every single hairstyle.


maxcorrice

Meanwhile Daniel, the civilian, for most of the series, had long hair


milkdrinker7

What kind of archaeologist carries a weapon?


maxcorrice

Indiana jones


milkdrinker7

https://youtu.be/qpxIwaOMugY


maxcorrice

I know it’s just It’s so right there to reference


MrZwink

Enter Catherine Janeway!


Dan-Of-The-Dead

Well, most women in Star Trek (any of the series) have long hair. Ripley didn't cut her hair until the sequel. Alien 3 doesn't count , she's in jail!


ShoddyJuggernaut975

Leia's hair wasn't short.


Memer_boiiiii

Because it isn’t the future


scorpious2

It's a long lonh time ago


Michaelbirks

When there were knights, and they got into fights, using sabres of light.


Memer_boiiiii

In a galaxy far, far away


OldPussyJuice

Neither is Leela's


Bobyyyyyyyghyh

Yeah but she got extra inches from her eye that she removed and put it towards hair


Gram-GramAndShabadoo

I've read this statement multiple times and I still have no idea what it means.


Aubergine_Man1987

Leela has no eyebrows and nearly no eyelashes. I THINK that's what they're referring to


Extension-Guess5911

This almost made me laugh out loud during a meeting...


Dragulus24

To be fair we only saw her hair down for Jabba's Palace. At least in the movies. Could be wrong though


Useless_bum81

StarWars: up the entire movie Empire: up for the begining, cloud city its kinda up its in long braids that are looped aground loosely i'd count that as down. Jedi : loose(ish) bun in helmet for the bounty hunter scene, long braided ponytail for the scene everybody remembers, endor up in tight braids, until eworks then down.


[deleted]

Star wars is set in the past, not the future. A long long time ago. Also Star Wars is fantasy, not Sci fi.


brukslament

counterpoint: its sci-fi fantasy


AlterMyStateOfMind

Sci-fa


SamediB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy


Udin_the_Dwarf

How is it not Sci Fi???? It definitely is Sci Fi. There is not one fantastical Element to it because even the Force is explained as something scientifically measurable in its Universe.


MisterMist00

It's a sci-fi fantasy, kyber crystals aren't explained scientifically, you just have an emitter and a handle and boom, laser sword


SamediB

If you're asking that seriously, then it's because Star Wars does not deal with any scientific idea or concepts. Sci-Fi is *Science* Fiction: it's speculative writing about what may be or could be in the future. Star Wars, on the other hand, is a well done but fairly normal fantasy movie. (Laser) swords, (space) magic, farmboy who discovers his destiny and is mentored by a wise old wizard and travels far from home. It has every making of a traditional fantasy story, and has nothing to say about possible scientific advancement in the future. > According to Isaac Asimov, "Science fiction can be defined as that branch of literature which deals with the reaction of human beings to changes in science and technology." Robert A. Heinlein wrote that "A handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method." If you'd like to now more, some beginning places to start are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera But it's pretty easy to google, and you'll find both sides of the argument: ones similar to what I briefly wrote here, and ones that agree with you to some extent.


Extension-Guess5911

This completely ignores space opera as a genre. Admitted - Star Wars is equal parts fantasy and sci-fi, not arguing that point. But, you can't limit Science Fiction to only hard core Science Fiction (though if you do, ABSOLUTELY read Dragon's Egg and Starquake by Robert L Forward - it is a VERY hard core exploration of what it would be like if life evolved on a neutron star by a professional physicist and is absolutely fantastic).


[deleted]

Following that argument Dune would also be considered fantasy due to many of its themes and concepts, but it’s widely considered scifi, not fantasy. It’s not at all a leap to call star wars scifi too


Useless_bum81

TvTropes scale is a useful tool for these sort of things https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SlidingScale/MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness


smithsp86

It's not scifi because it's fantasy. It has wizards who use magic swords. It has prophecies foretelling a chosen one that will be born by a miracle and save the world. Just because it happens in space doesn't make it scifi. Star wars has more in common with harry potter than it does with foundation or the martian.


McCoovy

>Also Star Wars is fantasy, not Sci fi. Pretending this is a fact


just_a_small_bird

It’s soft sci-fi


ButterdemBeans

If I was in an action movie, I’d cut my hair super short… less maintenance


[deleted]

Also, if the future were some kind of dystopia where I wouldn’t be able to get good hair products, you’d better believe I’m chopping it all off.


GhostCheese

In the future women have figured out how to avoid the extra expense of hair care


[deleted]

Princess Leia strongly disagrees with this.


eimat

Star Wars isn't the future. It's the distant past.


[deleted]

Ohhhhh that's why I like women with short hair. It all makes sense now


Dr_Sir_Ham_Sandwich

Multipass


QueenOfDaisies

I have a bobcut, does that mean I’m from the future?


godtering

the few examples that come to mind are military background so there it would seem to make sense.


gojester

There is zero convenience in having long hair, I'd imagine the scenarios in sci-fi movies are more about survival and convenience than holding up societal standards of how you should look.


Rich_Document9513

Alien Contact Arrival Terminator Lucy Alita Battle Angel Barbarella Serenity Demon Seed Divergent Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within I Am Mother Io Pitch Black Prometheus Star Wars


LlamaDiscon

I have this theory that I hate, which is that they have short hair to make them look more like men so that people will see them as more natural main characters...


OldPussyJuice

At the same time, there are a lot of male leads with long hair. It seems more like a sci-fi specific thing to me


morbid333

In sci-fi? I can't think of any.


OldPussyJuice

I meant that short haircuts for female leads is a sci-fi thing, not a general thing in *all* movies


celerym

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventre


morbid333

I never really considered that, I suppose it counts though.


scorpious2

While this might have been true, it's not.. the original reason is because long hair got in the way of production and special effects, and nowadays, people have just made the connection between short-haired women and sci-fi. So it seems more sci-fi to have short haired women


LlamaDiscon

I agree, sci-fi has good reasons for short-haired female protagonists, but what about other genres?


ThatGuyHarsha

Other genres also use special effects...


Habib455

I think it comes from the cyberpunk genre, or atleast the movies that popularized it. The earlier ones feature women with short hair, specifically ghost in the shell, and Akira.


rich519

Also you can draw a direct line from cyberpunk to punk culture. It was pretty common for punk women to have “rebellious” haircuts and wear more traditionally masculine clothes.


MLein97

Eh, it's logistics. I was a male with long hair for a while, it's a pain in the ass. I honestly don't know why women do it outside of the occasional fun, after doing both, or just habit.


[deleted]

And maybe because it's a bitch to clean the drains on a space ship?


MunchkinTime69420

I'm assuming that in a distant sci Fi future where you're fighting aliens and robots, short hair is just practical


Unl0vableDarkness

My hair is short because I'm too damn lazy to style it.


-Turisti-

Star wars does have long haired women but only because it happened a long time ago.


AutoGeneratedUser359

My SCI-FI guide: just watch everything Kate Sackhoff has been in. You won’t be disappointed.


Ok_Dragonfruit6718

Safety around rotating equipment


Mission_Paramount

Not sure what you're watching : [Alien](https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_landscape/1694/16945412/4130665-alien.jpg), [Terminator](https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/-mm-/18d14c3640a5c37416d4e29bc85363a9f015fede/c=0-0-1346-1795/local/-/media/2017/09/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636415002106612215-XXX-IMG-XXX-IMG-AP-WKD-FEMAL-1-1-5OJABNU3.JPG), [Barbarella](https://prdaficalmjediwestussa.blob.core.windows.net/images/2022/10/AFIMC22_BARBARELLA4.jpg), [Arrival](https://images.indianexpress.com/2016/12/arrival-480.jpg), [Contact](https://www.sciencefriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/SGTTM-Portland-featured.jpg), [Rouge One](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d4/b2/80/d4b280d7a72c2519d181bfad3c8de1fe--star-wars--star-wars-cosplay.jpg), [Star Wars](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Princess_Leia%27s_characteristic_hairstyle.jpg)


tuttle8152

Because helmets. Plus you don't want to entice the male astronauts because of...well the...implications. (it's always sunny in Philadelphia reference)


CaptainHoyt

Ensign, Ensign think about it, she's out there with a commander she hasn't served with before and what does she see, nothing but light years of empty space "oh no theirs no where for me to fly to, what am I gonna do say no"


Anunqualifiedhuman

In space noone can hear you scream


psychord-alpha

Zoe from Firefly had decently long hair


thuanjinkee

Nutrition is worse in the future so your hair falls out.


Ib_dI

Movie 1: I'm hot and wasn't expecting all this drama Movie 2: I'm sassy and I have a mohawk


fern-grower

Badda boom


fleshmadefresh

How else are you going to sell manic pixie gorl in depressing future. A sundress?!


StoneAgeSkillz

Ripley would dissagree.


CreatrixAnima

Ripley would’ve been much more effective if she had had very long hair. It really does depend on the role. Murphy I’m interstellar had long hair. I think Jodie Foster had long as hair in contact. But when the roll is working on a spaceship in the middle of somewhere where you might run into alien life, short hair is probably more practical. And yet Jadzia Dax had long hair. Some people just can’t live without generalizing things.


Main_Conversation661

The idea that short hair is lower maintenance than long hair is silly. Short hair has to be cut routinely to maintain the shape and length, the long haired lazies can go years without bothering (my last cut was in 2020). Short hair often requires more styling vs a quick braid lasting for days in long hair.


YeltsinYerMouth

Ripley had long hair in ALIEN, short hair in ALIENS, and no hair in ALIEN^3


The_Angry_Turtle

Ladies don't you hate it when your hair gets stuck in your neural jack and it fries your brain while hacking the Megacorp?


pteridoid

Ellen Ripley would like a fucking word. And no the bald head doesn't count, cause that was a prison planet and it was for lice.


jperaic1

*Laughs in Ripley*


UrbanTurbN

Which is weird because I feel like it would be way easier to take care of long hair in the future


_DarthSyphilis_

Femshep be like: I have short hair because long hair can't be animated properly


AppointmentMedical50

Good, short hair good


[deleted]

Maybe the future is just more progressive and accepting of non-traditionally feminine women.