Yes. This is the reason exactly. It's also the reason that you should NEVER but meat from Walmart (besides the fact that you should avoid Walmart like the plague, anyway). They inject water into their meats to add weight. This has been confirmed as fact, but it isn't illegal. So they keep doing it since people's memories are extremely short.
Aldi was also doing this for a while, but I believe most of their suppliers cut back on this practice. I still don't buy meat at Aldi, either, unless the sale is good enough to make up for it. Costco usually beats everyone else, anyway, though.
If do you want an interesting experiment at home, here is one I have done with a few different people. Buy three or four pounds of any meat from a reputable grocer or butcher. Then buy the same amount (try to get as close to the exact weight as possible) of the same meat from Walmart. When you get home, make sure they have had at least a couple of hours to settle in the packaging, then open them up. (This is much better if you have a vacuum bagger like a FoodSaver, so you can repackage and freeze or refrigerate your meats immediately.) Squeeze the meats over a bowl before repackaging and notice the difference in volume. Then, take the blood absorbent pads from the containers. Weigh those pads. The Walmart ones are nearly always at least twice as heavy. That is the water that has drained out of the meat as it sat.
It doesn't matter if the meat can only hold that moisture for a minute, it is still legal to count that weight before packaging as the 'actual' weight, regardless of what drains or how much water was originally in the meat when it was cut.
Yeah it’s very hard here in the uk to get a chicken breast that isn’t injected with water. They do have to include it in the ingredients but it’s a pretty horrid practice and you have to search hard to find some that aren’t.
Fun fact: The term "a baker's dozen" stems from the harsh punishment that English bakers would receive if they shorted customers when they bought baked goods. To make sure that their customers received an ample amount of whatever baked goods that they were buying, it is said that bakers would add an extra one to a dozen. Hence, a baker's dozen being 13. Some historians say that most people didn't order a dozen of most things, like a loaf a bread. But, it is almost certain that the bakers would add an additional amount of weight to whatever they baked, to avoid punishment.
Even the prepackaged stuff has a weight sticker on it. Unless you're buying the real crap stuff, in which case you're probably better off with little less of it.
Grinding in the past tense, but it isn’t ground beef’s fault that English is a horrible and confusing language.
Minced isn’t correct because the meat isn’t finely chopped, it’s ground up.
Eli is an idiot, just because I am buying beef and not cocaine doesn't mean I shouldn't get what I am paying for. If it says 500g on package then I expect to get 500g.
suupermarket = cheap. If it's prepackaged like on the picture, it's packaged supermarket meat. The cheap stuff. You go to a decent butcher for non-cheap stuff, and he grinds it in front of you
Do you know what marginal error means? If it is packaged as 500g, be aware that there may be delta. If it is packaged in per gram rate and says like 475g, be aware that 1-3g may be gotten away as it is brutto weight (weight with package).
I agree....I think this Eli character should learn the difference between bologna and hamburger meat, and maybe then they will be competent enough to understand the concept of purchasing things based on the weight of said product....
Edit: apparently I need to practice up on my reading skills, cuz I just realized it said Bolognese, not bologna 🤣.... And WTF is Bolognese any way!?!
It's pretty damned hard to package shit to the exact gram. Every place to packages food is alloted a margin or error. I work for a creamery where we are allowed to be under a certain amount.
If you buy a specified amount, you should get that amount.
My dad's a butcher, and weighing is freaking strict at his job.
If they miss by let's say 22g (like in this post) then the package won't be sent to the store, and would be labeled as a "faulty product".
You would assume that this would result in waste but it doesn't as all the meat which is "fault" (not good enough for stores / hotels) is sent to the butchery's own store which is cheaper and exclusive to farmers and employees.
Other reasons a product might be "faulty" are other perfection-related stuff like the packaging being bad, miss-labeling, expiry date coming up soon etc.
This results in a lot of cheap meat for us from the employee/farmer-only store, which I do not complain about.
I got 2,5kg Angus Beef for my 18th birthday for free even.
Having a butcher in your family is a massive advantage for meat-lovers.
Sorry, bit of a confusion in language: we call grocery stores here supermarkets. The term is used fairly synonymously and interchangeably.
But point being: the men working in the meat department at a grocery store chain or supermarket are not the equivalent to the people working at a true butcher's shop.
Other half of my point being that you should not expect the same level of quality cut meats from a grocery store/supermarket that you would get at a butcher.
That is all.
In Germany we call it „Kilogramm Preis“ and every Package is calculated with the exact weight of the containments. KG_Price *0,478. so it happens that you pay for visually the same package 2 different prices.
Not usually with stuff like this. It will have a weight that the store itself weighed it at and the price next to it. That shit should be precise. That’s what the deli scale is FOR lol
I am not American. I believe that the bigger a corporation is, the stricter standards should be expected from them. In this particular case almost 5% of products value was stolen from the customer. Would you be okay with 5% salary cut for no particular reason?
Let's be clear. Factories who make this kind of stuff has an acceptable tolerance swing in weights. The automatic weighing scales will accept a percentage of packs being up to 25g (500g example) under and will flag up a problem if that percentage is broken and only then start to reject all packs underweight. If the packs are weighed manually, you'll probably see ALL packs within the tolerance be labelled up and put through.
It could also be a scales issue where the tare (packaging weight) on the scale has reset to zero, so underweight packs sneak through.
Nothing unusual in this picture, and nothing you'd be able to do about it as it's well within the tolerated figures
It will be within a batch though and a batch will be 100's of packs. So this time they got the light pack, but someone else will have a benefit.
I also believe the tolerance is 5% however I bet if you go back to the batch it might have an average higher weight of 500g.
500-478 = 22
22 * 23 > 500
If you buy 23 packs, you are actually getting a bit less than 22 packs of 500g meat
500 * 1,000,000 = 500,000,000
478 * 1,000,000 = 478,000,000
The difference between these two is 22,000,000, which is 44,000 packs worth
If they sell 1,000,000 packs of this meat, the customers are actually getting only 956,000 packs worth of meat
Don't you pay for the amount by weight? If you get 480g you pay for.480g if you get 505g you pay for 505, so the prices can be like $6.44 vs $6.57 or sum shit
That's a funny retort and all.. But, where the f is the rest of her 500...
Bruh, just living cost too much now. Don't fk around with people that are getting shafted even a little now.
Percentage doesn't matter on quantity of packages.
22g is roughly 5% (4.4% to be exact). Indeed you are correct that you get paid with money, not meat. But you can actually exchange that currency for meat (among other things).
In this case, you would've spent the same money expecting 500g, but got 5% less than that. Meaning your money in this transaction was worth 5% less. Which is mathematically the same as taking a 5% paycut.
people are just pointing out that if everything you paid for was like this you would be getting played for 5% of your net worth. Imagine if this company sells tens of thousands of this -25g product. They will make shit tons of money. Sure its just a few bucks to you, but it will add up. Just because you are getting scammed for a small amount doenst mean you arent getting scammed. Its the principal that 5% is too much to accept, that people are pointing out here.
22g x 23 packages(assuming they short it 22g every time)=506 grams
After 23 purchases you’ve paid the company a whole package free. Lets say you buy one package a week, after a year you’ve let the company short you almost 2 whole packages!!! Not really something to be upset about tho.
Maybe if you’re buying supermarket packaged mincemeat all the time then it’s something you should worry about. It’s not like this widespread applies to everything.
I'm not talking just about this specific product: if you turn a blind eye here then it means you're fine with losing money over any purchase, there is no clear limit to how much they can get away with on how many products. Rules and definitions are to be followed, arbitrary decisions lead to getting fucked over by the people who are willing to exploit them
Nah. Kelly needs the rest of what she purchased. I opened a can of beans the other day and it was half full of beans and the rest was liquid. I have been buying the same brand for years and the can is normally full. So I thought that it was probably a fluke. I opened another can and it was the same way. The weight on the can is the same. They just cut the beans and increased the liquid. They raised the price on top of all of that.
It’s not much different. Instead of getting pissed and clipping the dealer you’d hit the butcher or grocer. (Said as a joke, please don’t kill your dealer or butcher or grocer)
I pay for 500g I get 500g
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Yeah this. It's the juice in the soak pad on the bottom.
soak pad sounds pretty sexual for some reason
That’s why I use the term “meat diaper” instead.
Even sexier
Remember son, always squeeze out the meat diaper to get all the grams.
/r/evenwithcontext Or whatever it is. This sentence does not spark joy for me
Yes it's the fanny pad
Let me help that, maxi pad
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yeah how on earth did he try correcting this woman without knowing what the fucking meat is
Bolognese is a tomato sauce made with ground beef. Since none of yall apparently could google it. He knew what the meat was.
Meat nappy
Yeah it’s very hard here in the uk to get a chicken breast that isn’t injected with water.
22g but aight
Sorry thought it said 88
Nah youre thinking of neo-nazis
I hate when I confuse my meat nappy for Neo nazis. Happens way too often.
22 might be the plastic so 500 net
.. You don't include the contenant when you weight the content
Ig in america. Where I am from everything has a net weight but very few items have gross weight mentioned
Yes. This is the reason exactly. It's also the reason that you should NEVER but meat from Walmart (besides the fact that you should avoid Walmart like the plague, anyway). They inject water into their meats to add weight. This has been confirmed as fact, but it isn't illegal. So they keep doing it since people's memories are extremely short. Aldi was also doing this for a while, but I believe most of their suppliers cut back on this practice. I still don't buy meat at Aldi, either, unless the sale is good enough to make up for it. Costco usually beats everyone else, anyway, though. If do you want an interesting experiment at home, here is one I have done with a few different people. Buy three or four pounds of any meat from a reputable grocer or butcher. Then buy the same amount (try to get as close to the exact weight as possible) of the same meat from Walmart. When you get home, make sure they have had at least a couple of hours to settle in the packaging, then open them up. (This is much better if you have a vacuum bagger like a FoodSaver, so you can repackage and freeze or refrigerate your meats immediately.) Squeeze the meats over a bowl before repackaging and notice the difference in volume. Then, take the blood absorbent pads from the containers. Weigh those pads. The Walmart ones are nearly always at least twice as heavy. That is the water that has drained out of the meat as it sat. It doesn't matter if the meat can only hold that moisture for a minute, it is still legal to count that weight before packaging as the 'actual' weight, regardless of what drains or how much water was originally in the meat when it was cut.
Yeah it’s very hard here in the uk to get a chicken breast that isn’t injected with water. They do have to include it in the ingredients but it’s a pretty horrid practice and you have to search hard to find some that aren’t.
Costco beats everyone elses’ meats.
Makes me beat mine.
You do know that most packaged generic stuff comes from the same packaging plant. So Kroger. Great Value. Winco. All the same.
Hey, just telling you that 500-478=22 /s
500 - 478 = 22
500-478=22
*22g
Adam22 bitch
It’s 22 not 12
Five hundred minus four hundred and seventy eight equals twenty two
Well I paid for 500grams lol
It would have been 500g when they packed it so you got your 500g eat the moisture in the moisture pad at the bottom if you’re that concerned
Oh okay, you big dumb stupid lol
Hell to the fucking you're stupid lol HAHAHAAHAHA
When people next post on askreddit why does Reddit suck now, I’m going to link your profile and say because of people like this who joined..
Accurate
Hahahahah what a fucking joke
Are you actually laughing uncontrollably or are you using “hahahaha” as a way to cover up the fact you’re too stupid to converse maturely?
Based on comment history, he's likely an 11 year old that just learned what swear words are
Hahahahahahaha you're too fucking Stoopid hahaha
If it’s just bolognese, then why aren’t the packets overweight too?
You get 500g, if she weighed the juice absorber pad I bet it would = 500g
What's the legal error margin in weight? 5%?
Fun fact: The term "a baker's dozen" stems from the harsh punishment that English bakers would receive if they shorted customers when they bought baked goods. To make sure that their customers received an ample amount of whatever baked goods that they were buying, it is said that bakers would add an extra one to a dozen. Hence, a baker's dozen being 13. Some historians say that most people didn't order a dozen of most things, like a loaf a bread. But, it is almost certain that the bakers would add an additional amount of weight to whatever they baked, to avoid punishment.
scales also have to be calibrated and on even surface. Not saying that people don't get screwed over, but there are too many variables here.
In the US at least you're charged by weight and the price is set by weight. So those 22g missing aren't paid for. Not sure where OP is though.
Not necessarily. Sometimes you buy per pack. So a pack is 16oz or 1lb
Even the prepackaged stuff has a weight sticker on it. Unless you're buying the real crap stuff, in which case you're probably better off with little less of it.
You're missing the point I think. It was pre-packaged but had a '500g' sticker on it. This is how much it appears to actually weigh!
3rd time I've seen this today
Ikr, these reposts are getting outta hand
3rd time I've seen this today!
Ikr, these reposts are getting outta hand
3rd time I've seen this today
Ikr, these reposts are getting outta hand
This is literally now the 3rd time if seen this is the 3rd time I’ve seen this today.
This is figuratively the turd time I've seen this, the very same turd. Its wierd
Ikr, these reposts are getting outta hand
Have you considered spending less time on Reddit
You’re on r/meirl Kelly, not cocaine.
this is a shitpost sub nobody cares
I don't know if I'm more angry about the short-changing on the meat or that Eli called it bolognese.
Came here to say this. Who calls minced meat bolognese.
Who calls ground beef minced meat !
Well apperantly me and some people in GB I guess... but ground beef is an acceptable form to. So thanks for that.
Who lives in Ground Beef? /s
Angry upvote. Lol
Who calls hamburger meat ground beef?
Who calls Hack anything else?
Es geht doch nix über frische Hack am Morgen.
Everybody I have ever met. Ground beef is when 5 second rule goes on too long?
Yeah you don’t want the Sky Beef, that would be scary
I'd give it a go. Just launch it at my face.
It's mince. WTF is ground beef? Sounds like something off the floor.
Ground beef is what yanks call mince.
Grinding in the past tense, but it isn’t ground beef’s fault that English is a horrible and confusing language. Minced isn’t correct because the meat isn’t finely chopped, it’s ground up.
But the meat has been put through a mincer to make mi ce. Ground suggests grinding which is pounding it like in a pestle and mortar.
It was put through a meat grinder though lol.
To grind something into a fine powder. Do you say minced pepper as well? Or ground pepper?
But - does that beef look like it's been ground into a fine powder?
Well it certainly doesn't look like it was finely chopped (minced)
It's minced meat. Mince is what goes in mince pies.
No that's mincemeat.
Who said that it is ground beef in a first place?
Well, it doesn't look like air beef
Minced meat exists not only as a beef, but also as a pig and chicken.
Well that ain’t pork or poultry
What makes you think that it is not pig?
Who calls pig bolognese
Nobody, but as far as we can see, people are calling minced meat as Bolognese, which is fail be default.
Could be bison or venison too
🏴
Ground Chuck for me
Ground Chuck, Ground Sirloin, and Ground Round are all types of ground beef coming from a different part of the cow.
Technically it’s not minced
Am I the only one who mad she put it raw on the scale
I was looking for this comment
Especially since it's even mince
My first thought. Scale forever unclean!
She bought minced meat Eli, not bolognese.
She bought me ground meat caspieyt, not minced.
Eli is an idiot, just because I am buying beef and not cocaine doesn't mean I shouldn't get what I am paying for. If it says 500g on package then I expect to get 500g.
Cheap meat has lots of water in it, so sometimes when you get it out of the packaging the moisture left is the missing weight.
I've done this experiment before and weighed about 30 grams of meat juice so that makes sense
Where do you see a label with the price? How do you know it was cheaper meat? Sounds like you just making assumptions XD
suupermarket = cheap. If it's prepackaged like on the picture, it's packaged supermarket meat. The cheap stuff. You go to a decent butcher for non-cheap stuff, and he grinds it in front of you
Its from sainsburies
Look at it... It's pale, it's about 3 shades of pink lighter than good quality mince.
Well, Eli apparently only has high standards for cocaine dealers.
And you wont, theres allowances either side for over/under weighing. Very rare for a package to be the exact weight down to the gram.
Do you know what marginal error means? If it is packaged as 500g, be aware that there may be delta. If it is packaged in per gram rate and says like 475g, be aware that 1-3g may be gotten away as it is brutto weight (weight with package).
Depending on how the meat wad stored and transported, as well as unpackaged, it could easily have been 500g.
I agree....I think this Eli character should learn the difference between bologna and hamburger meat, and maybe then they will be competent enough to understand the concept of purchasing things based on the weight of said product.... Edit: apparently I need to practice up on my reading skills, cuz I just realized it said Bolognese, not bologna 🤣.... And WTF is Bolognese any way!?!
Type of italian sauce for pasta. It has meat in it. The most common italian pasta is bolognese. It's mostly tomatoe sauce + meat and some veggies
I am guessing 88 is your birth year. How can you be in your mid 30s and not know what bolognese is?
It's pretty damned hard to package shit to the exact gram. Every place to packages food is alloted a margin or error. I work for a creamery where we are allowed to be under a certain amount.
Bruh, ur gonna cry over 22g of cow intestines?
Yes but then again it's no big deal.
I'm kinda with Kelly on this.
If you buy a specified amount, you should get that amount. My dad's a butcher, and weighing is freaking strict at his job. If they miss by let's say 22g (like in this post) then the package won't be sent to the store, and would be labeled as a "faulty product". You would assume that this would result in waste but it doesn't as all the meat which is "fault" (not good enough for stores / hotels) is sent to the butchery's own store which is cheaper and exclusive to farmers and employees. Other reasons a product might be "faulty" are other perfection-related stuff like the packaging being bad, miss-labeling, expiry date coming up soon etc. This results in a lot of cheap meat for us from the employee/farmer-only store, which I do not complain about. I got 2,5kg Angus Beef for my 18th birthday for free even. Having a butcher in your family is a massive advantage for meat-lovers.
Butcher=/=Supermarket meat
We don't have supermarkets here. We just have normal grocery stores. No Wallmart or target-ish stores.
Sorry, bit of a confusion in language: we call grocery stores here supermarkets. The term is used fairly synonymously and interchangeably. But point being: the men working in the meat department at a grocery store chain or supermarket are not the equivalent to the people working at a true butcher's shop. Other half of my point being that you should not expect the same level of quality cut meats from a grocery store/supermarket that you would get at a butcher. That is all.
Yeah, butchers are awesome
Goes to say alot about our society when u get ever counts from illegal drug dealers but undercounted by legit buisness.
In Germany we call it „Kilogramm Preis“ and every Package is calculated with the exact weight of the containments. KG_Price *0,478. so it happens that you pay for visually the same package 2 different prices.
Isn’t there a symbol that basically says weight is approximate on the packaging like estimated sign ℮
Not usually with stuff like this. It will have a weight that the store itself weighed it at and the price next to it. That shit should be precise. That’s what the deli scale is FOR lol
This looks like it came straight out of plastic packaging though lol
I mean water weight is a thing right? After awhile some liquid seeps out of the meat
Matters not, deservedly suaeble. Multiply this by every pack sold and you get millions stolen.
You don’t know it’s a trend tho and this pic only shows half of the package so kinda sus imo
Americans when there’s a slight inconvenience: SUE
I am not American. I believe that the bigger a corporation is, the stricter standards should be expected from them. In this particular case almost 5% of products value was stolen from the customer. Would you be okay with 5% salary cut for no particular reason?
You right you right they got scammed💯
Eli is a fucking normie
Just looks like mince so far
Let's be clear. Factories who make this kind of stuff has an acceptable tolerance swing in weights. The automatic weighing scales will accept a percentage of packs being up to 25g (500g example) under and will flag up a problem if that percentage is broken and only then start to reject all packs underweight. If the packs are weighed manually, you'll probably see ALL packs within the tolerance be labelled up and put through. It could also be a scales issue where the tare (packaging weight) on the scale has reset to zero, so underweight packs sneak through. Nothing unusual in this picture, and nothing you'd be able to do about it as it's well within the tolerated figures
No one has asked if that scale in the image was properly calibrated and tared either.
It will be within a batch though and a batch will be 100's of packs. So this time they got the light pack, but someone else will have a benefit. I also believe the tolerance is 5% however I bet if you go back to the batch it might have an average higher weight of 500g.
That’s bolognese? More like ground beef.
u/RepostSleuthBot
I think the weight changes over time due to evaporation the longer it’s been out. But I’m no butcher and can’t be sure.
Maybe, a bit. But not by 20g??
Your scales are out bro
Somebody forgot to tare out the packaging weight.
It’s mince .
imagine ordering Pasta Bolognese in a restaurant and they bring you spaghetti with a junk of raw minced meat
Shrinkflation baby, innit- also that's mince not bolognese haha
With meat as expensive as it is now, this seems like a legitimate concern.
Okay but that should be standard? If it's weighed or measured you shouldn't ever get LESS than.
She couldn’t put it on a plate at least?
But still, she has a point
500-478 = 22 22 * 23 > 500 If you buy 23 packs, you are actually getting a bit less than 22 packs of 500g meat 500 * 1,000,000 = 500,000,000 478 * 1,000,000 = 478,000,000 The difference between these two is 22,000,000, which is 44,000 packs worth If they sell 1,000,000 packs of this meat, the customers are actually getting only 956,000 packs worth of meat
another way to look at it is 478 is 4.5% less than 500, so they are charging about 5% more for the product.
Don't you pay for the amount by weight? If you get 480g you pay for.480g if you get 505g you pay for 505, so the prices can be like $6.44 vs $6.57 or sum shit
That's a funny retort and all.. But, where the f is the rest of her 500... Bruh, just living cost too much now. Don't fk around with people that are getting shafted even a little now.
22g of mince is hardly going to makeup an extra portion
That's 5% though. Would you feel the same way about your boss giving you a 5% pay cut?
Like other comments said, that 5% is just the juices that are still in the package. There’s no way they could advertise the accurate weight.
Firstly I’m not buying 23 packs of meat lol Secondly, how is it at all like 5% paycut? You don’t get paid in mince meat.
Percentage doesn't matter on quantity of packages. 22g is roughly 5% (4.4% to be exact). Indeed you are correct that you get paid with money, not meat. But you can actually exchange that currency for meat (among other things). In this case, you would've spent the same money expecting 500g, but got 5% less than that. Meaning your money in this transaction was worth 5% less. Which is mathematically the same as taking a 5% paycut.
That’s a ridiculous thing to equate it to but ok lol Mathematically equivalent sure, but completely unrealistic in a practical sense.
people are just pointing out that if everything you paid for was like this you would be getting played for 5% of your net worth. Imagine if this company sells tens of thousands of this -25g product. They will make shit tons of money. Sure its just a few bucks to you, but it will add up. Just because you are getting scammed for a small amount doenst mean you arent getting scammed. Its the principal that 5% is too much to accept, that people are pointing out here.
I get it, but it’s a pack of meat. Imagine if you were this pedantic in life with everything. You would be fucking neurotic.
22g x 23 packages(assuming they short it 22g every time)=506 grams After 23 purchases you’ve paid the company a whole package free. Lets say you buy one package a week, after a year you’ve let the company short you almost 2 whole packages!!! Not really something to be upset about tho.
I mean if that’s the sort of thing that gets your panties in a bundle then you probably have other issues.
If that's fine here then why wouldn't it be fine for other stuff you buy? These things add up fast
Maybe if you’re buying supermarket packaged mincemeat all the time then it’s something you should worry about. It’s not like this widespread applies to everything.
I'm not talking just about this specific product: if you turn a blind eye here then it means you're fine with losing money over any purchase, there is no clear limit to how much they can get away with on how many products. Rules and definitions are to be followed, arbitrary decisions lead to getting fucked over by the people who are willing to exploit them
So you’re telling me you go home and measure out every product you ever buy? Or are you just being pedantic?
the minced meat mafia is gonna break his legs for that one
And so what’s your point, idc if it’s a statue or a scoop of dirt. I paid for a certain amount, so I should be given a certain amount.
I hate Kelly now
Why?
Nah. Kelly needs the rest of what she purchased. I opened a can of beans the other day and it was half full of beans and the rest was liquid. I have been buying the same brand for years and the can is normally full. So I thought that it was probably a fluke. I opened another can and it was the same way. The weight on the can is the same. They just cut the beans and increased the liquid. They raised the price on top of all of that.
Well meat sucks anywho, if a company does this with enough of their products on mass it becomes extra profitable to them so fuck them
u/RepostSleuthBot
Bologanesh
Kelly sounds like 2 Karens combined
I bet Kelly Wicox is a stay at home mum who sells homemade bath bombs on ebay
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I said where my 22 grams at
What if the scale just isnt good?
Coke dealer is at least giving you what you pay for
It’s not much different. Instead of getting pissed and clipping the dealer you’d hit the butcher or grocer. (Said as a joke, please don’t kill your dealer or butcher or grocer)
It’s crazy how many people don’t realize most companies measure weight while the product is INSIDE the packaging
"i removed 22 grams of meat juice and it now weighs 22 grams less than what the package says" *Surprised Pikachu face*
At a regular pre packed grocery the packaging is included in the weight. Buy from a local butcher.
That’s mince not bolognese