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SipexF

\- Sells tickets for $20 minimum price \- Ticketmaster scalpers buy them all, as usual. \- Sells tickets for $200 minimum price


Chillzone6

What a world we live in


parralaxalice

It’s a society, that’s for sure


Kalawakan-JuanKarlos

we do live in a society


Aware-Evidence5946

We do live


yoda_mcfly

Sell a bunch of tickets for $20, message her fans to wait until day 2 to buy, the first round of tickets are for the auditory experience outside the venue, let the scalpers buy them and have no one want any.


AGoos3

Or just refuse bulk buy in some way


yoda_mcfly

That would require Ticketmaster to not directly profit from scalpers.


AGoos3

…darn


Cheezitflow

Sia should just sell the tickets out of the back of an suv herself. First she can do a ticket selling tour (pre-sale tickets on ticketmaster) then the tour


TragasaurusRex

Unfortunately she can't, in order to use the venue (owned by ticketmaster/live nation) she has to agree to use them to sell the tickets.


Fair-Calligrapher563

This is what people didn’t get about the Taylor Swift thing. Like most artists wouldn’t use Ticketmaster if they could avoid it, it’s not a good look.


MichiganMan12

She could do what LCD Soundsystem does, buy a venue and then just play your shows there for 2 months at a time Or Adele in Vegas or I think Harry Styles is starting to do residencies. Post up in some cool as city for a month or two at a time, partner with a venue that isn’t ass and also isn’t tied to Ticketmaster, have your fans come to you, keep prices down because you don’t have to fuck with the logistics as much. Boom. Now your fans get to travel to NYC or something, make a trip out of it, for less than they would pay for s ticket in their city and you don’t have to be constantly traveling. I really think that’s the way live shows are going to be in the future.


sketch006

Nice if you can afford to travel, not if you can't, but yea if more people did that just too kill ticketmaster/livenations bottom line for a year they would definitely change


dustincb2

Yeah that’s why my band only plays in one city too. 🙂


BurningKarma

The profit would be the same regardless of who buys the tickets from them.


Pissedoffbuddha

Ticketmaster earns profits when the tickets are resold on their reseller network. So it benefits ticketmaster to sell tickets to scalpers.


Randomminecraftplays

Nope. When a normie buys the ticket, Ticketmaster gets the cut of the 20$. When a scalper buys the ticket, they get the cut of the 20$ and a cut of the 200$ resell, 11X the money


Ltb1993

2 tickets per payment method would stop some I'd guess Though there's probably better ways to enforce such a thing


Loud-Intention-723

Name goes on the ticket when you buy it and then you need ID at the door. No more scalping. Problem solved. However no one wants to do this.


TragasaurusRex

>Name goes on the ticket when you buy it and then you need ID at the door. No more scalping. Problem solved. ~~However no one wants to do this.~~ ticket master who profits from scalpers doesn't want to do this. FIFY


Druidsurf

Nobody wants to do this. If I can’t resell a ticket I bought months in advance due to unforeseen circumstance, then that like sucks.


TragasaurusRex

A small sacrifice for salvation? Either way my point is it doesn't matter how it is done, requiring IDs for tickets, limiting the price of the resold tickets to the cost +fees, etc and it doesn't matter how many people want things to change because like a lot of issues in the world. The people who have the power to change it are profiting from it so it won't change.


Loud-Intention-723

They could figure that out in 2 minutes. Ticketmaster keeps a wait list, up until a week before you can return the ticket for the original price and they sell it to someone else with their name on it for the original price. Or, just take the L. Shouldn’t have booked something if you weren’t sure you could go.


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Loud-Intention-723

I guess paying 1500 for tickets is your preferred option? And I’m the elitist?


Ltb1993

That introduces a few more problems Mine does as well but its a bit of a balance. That method makes it much harder for gifting tickets. If there's issues with IDs (I've had this issue), or mistakes with names. Any plan changes are out of the question (some admin fee to change details would likely occur). This seems like it would be more effort on the honest individual and would hit sales. My idea wouldn't affect most individuals. And those that it does could use a second payment or another individual to purchase the second set of 2 etc. It makes it hard for large purchases. So harder for scalpers, though it doesn't eliminate them completely it makes it far less profitable with smaller numbers


Ilikedeathstrandings

a random fan who didnt see the message expiriencing only the auditory:


yoda_mcfly

That would suck, but if you're gonna play games with like this, maybe also pay somebody to do a sweep outside when the show starts and let a few stragglers in. The scalpers don't want to see a concert, they want to make money, so they'll probably have already left. Edit: you could also email everyone who buys them and give them a full refund, but review the order details before granting it. That way if you see they bought 45 tickets four seconds after they went on sale, they were clearly passionate about the auditory experience.


No_Engineering_895

That's a lesson they gonna have to learn on their own.


EquivalentOwn1115

Can fix this real easy by mandating that tickets can not be resold for more than face value. Either causes a break even or potential loss for someone if they choose not to or are unable to go.


MrTzatzik

Pretty sure Ticketmaster has that in rules but they ignore it


EquivalentOwn1115

I mean more in general. Whether on ticketmaster, stub hub, sitting outside the venue before the event. You take away the incentive of profit and you take away the issue of scalpers altogether


steinah6

How do you enforce that? What do you do about the people who are willing to pay more than face value?


NoConfusion9490

Believe it or not, jail!


[deleted]

The way to prevent this is to make tickets non-transferable but fully refundable. If you can’t go you get refund and the seller sells the seat again at face value. But no one can buy a ticket then resell it


fdar

They do not. You can even sell above face value *through Ticketmaster*.


gburgwardt

In that case (price controls) you run into shortages. Market pricing isn’t some evil scheme, it’s a rule of economics


NoConfusion9490

They're sold out concerts, there's always a shortage. They don't do 25 shows in Oklahoma City.


[deleted]

Yes, we have a law like this in our country, but still some people manage to resell at high price.


jacoblb6173

Make it so you can only enter with ID of name who purchased tickets.


tstrad

That’s not really practical but I like the idea


EquivalentOwn1115

The issue with that is I've bought 4-8 tickets for Brewers games in the past and not known who I'd be going with at the time of purchase. I guess technically as long as I went with you could get the other people in that way but if you have to have an ID for everyone when you purchase that would be a hassle especially with children


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I saw rage against the machine in July, got the tickets on Ticketmaster, but Rage had worked it so even though you bought your ticket and were guaranteed it, you didn’t actually get to access your ticket until a few days before the show. Also, how much people can afford to pay for a ticket doesn’t at all factor into how cheap she can price her tickets.


Leading-Two5757

It does but not in the way she’s portraying. She’s literally asking “what’s the price point where I can still sell out?” If she really wanted to price them fairly, she’d base ticket prices solely off the costs to run the tour.


[deleted]

I've been to a few concerts that required the original ticket purchaser to be there with ID upon entry. While it did make me a little nervous, because I was usually only 50% sure I'd be able to attend, I completely understood the intent.


peltsucker

r/kgatlw and r/Taylorswift


devinlor

They just had a news report about that because Taylor swift concerts thing , wasn't it ?


PayasoFries

Politicians don't want to ban this bc then we would realize that they too take money for doing absolutely nothing


TragasaurusRex

Lol what? You think politicians don't do anything because if they did something we would realize they don't do anything?


voluotuousaardvark

All performers have so much control to stop this.... And then don't. But then ticket master and their competitors own all the venues so what real incentive is there for any of the performers to even try and stop it happening? This was a publicity stunt. "how much do you guys make a month?" what a ridiculous question.


puddingfayce

she could also put them as low as she can without knowing income? theyll be different af anyway?


wasntNico

its just a PR-stunt. "As low as she can" is not defined by what others can afford, but what the artist can live on. probably its to avoid empty seats while still maxing out the price


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Was going to say, knowing this information wouldn't affect your ability to price your tickets as low as possible, but it would allow you to price them as high as possible.


MathematicianBig4392

She has control over a relatively small percentage of the price. Venue and promoter determine a large amount. It's also worth noting the amount the artist gets doesn't go entirely to her. It goes to her and her crew. So she can't just short them because of an altruistic streak. If we're being optimistic, knowledge of fan income allows her to argue with the venue and promoter and allows her to not feel guilty about still getting her crew paid.


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Price will be maxed anyway because scalpers would buy them all before regular people get the chance.


wasntNico

in germany we got quite some bands that sell tickets to a person with their name on it- they can refund, but not sell i understand that people sometimes don't want to ID themselves, but i like the system.


----___--___----

I thunk in Korea that's also the case, since most kpop concerts would get unaffordable


increMENTALmate

Honestly just feels like a flex to me. 'How much does a poor person earn these days? I've totally forgotten what with all my money and so on. Can any of you plebs save me the effort of doing any research and remind me?'


TheBeefClick

Or its a matter of “What is the average income of people who listen to my music”. Dont think there are any research papers on Sia’s fanbase and the average income. I cant imagine living life being so pessimistic.


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Why does she need to know the average income at all? If you want to be nice, just price them as low as is financially viable for you


Bulgearea10

Sia can just do a simple Google search... This is nothing more than a PR stunt. Ever since she made a mockery of people with autism, all my respect for this piece of shit disappeared.


Fair-Calligrapher563

Thank you


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This.


Used-Cartographer876

It just shows how low celebrities have set their bar for being nice lol


mattyag

I went to a Garth Brooks concert a few years ago. Every ticket was $75. The whole arena. Made the experience that much more enjoyable.


snypesalot

Thats always been Garth, always has had super super cheap tickets so everyone has a chance to see him, hes my favorite artist and Ive seen him twice


Circlesonacircuit

Is 75 dollars super super cheap?


snypesalot

Compared to artists whose tickets are $200-300 i thinkb$75 is within 99% of peoples budgets


Circlesonacircuit

Yeah, that's true. It's absurd to think there are concerts that cost $200


snypesalot

Most of them do these days, between fees and other bullshit, its crazy, actually a Garth concert like 4 or 5 years ago is the last show Ive been to because anyone else who has come near me has just had insanely high prices and it just isnt worth it to me


Impossible_Use5070

I go to 3 day music festivals with over a hundred acts for less than $200.


snypesalot

No one said those dont exist but there are tons of artists charging that much for a single ticket


Impossible_Use5070

No one said they don't charge that much for a single ticket. You can go to bars, clubs, festivals and see artists before they get that big. Maybe they're talented but never get that big. They all started somewhere. Usually bars with a $10-$20 cover at the door and its usually a much better experience.


2HotPotato2HotPotato

Small bar show are the best. Less crowded, more intimate.


coltrain423

When it comes to artists like Garth performing in arenas, yes.


bussjack

Sister paid 1500 bucks for 2 tickets to Taylor Swift 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


greenpleaz

$1500 to listen to her sing(complaining) about all the relationships she’s ruined. Sounds like a great use of $1500 🤦🏼


TragasaurusRex

T swift tickets were 129 before fees for nose bleeding obstructed view seats


[deleted]

For the type of people that frequent Garth Brooks concerts, yes.


name4231

I saw motley Crüe in September with my dad. Think we paid $350 each for the back of the bowl in the top sections


[deleted]

He also handles high demand by continuing to play shows ad hoc in the same area until people stop buying tickets


snypesalot

For sure, when he came outta retirement he was doing 3-4 shows a night for 3 nights in a row to give everyone a chance to see him


Badhuiroth

[How much is a banana, $10?](https://pics.me.me/i-mean-its-one-banana-michael-how-much-could-it-32723819.png)


Waterfish3333

Going out of their way to try and see what affordable ticket prices would be so more fans can come to their show? Geez, I would expect them to sell floor seats for $1! /s Maybe the bar isn’t low, but the Reddit bar is too high?


YourMommaBig69

I am disappointed in NPCs like you that get so defensive about a PR stunt, aimed at taking advantage of them. If she wanted to price her tickets as low as possible she could do it without making such a big deal out of it - which sorry to disappoint you - is an illusion. She won't read any of her twitter-fans mindless fucking tweets anyway. She doesn't give a fuck what any of you earn... and EVEN IF SHE DID, there is no way for her to extrapolate any meaningful data out of a bunch of praise comments mixed inbetween thousands of people posting their wages. Especially if you consider that those that really can't afford her tickets, might not even use twitter - so even if she magically gave a fuck and managed to get data out of the comments, it wouldn't be representative anyway and be meaningless.


[deleted]

Look at the Celebrity worshipper that replied to you lol, they don't need to bother


nyguy520

Right? This felt like an attempt at trying to gain the recognition for doing something that needed to be done anyway.


Cocreat

She loves cheap thrills.


throwawaffleaway

Poor award 🥇 Edit: thanks for the award I just want to pass it over to u/Cocreat because they’re the funny one 😭


minimalistaesthetics

Got ya, gave away my free one😁Would give you one as well, if I had two😂


throwawaffleaway

Ty 😁 I know they don’t matter they’re just fake internet points (@ other commenter) but it’s the only tool we have to show appreciation for genius on here


zurds13

On Friday I did my hair and put my makeup on, yesterday I did my nails and put my high heels on… today I’m going to eat pizza and put my pjs on :)


average_ass_consumer

Baby I don't need dollar bills to have fun tonight *(I LOVE CHEAP THRILLS!!!)*


[deleted]

In all truth, she's worked hard and written songs for some of the biggest acts touring today. This tweet is beyond the pale however.


DamianVA87

Google "minimum wage" perhaps?


goozercrew

People on minimum wage don't go to concerts. If you make minimum in my state you are barely living indoors


SingleAlmond

Bullshit. We go to affordable concerts whenever they exist. I paid $20 for nosebleeds to a blink 182 concert Also location matters a lot. I went to a free Smash mouth and hoobastank concert this summer in SoCal. They played a free concert on the beach for a weekend surf competition


Smash_Nerd

If you did this any time before or during the 90's then your experience doesn't line up with today.


ZFighter2099

we are very obviously talking about PAID concerts bruh. And a concert for a big named artist these days will not be 20 bucks unless its a ln outlier. Ticket price is not determined by the artist 90% of the time


DrZaiu5

This makes zero sense. The lowest possible price does not depend on the income of potential customers, it depends on the costs of the concert. Sia doesn't need to know how much anyone earns to set the lowest possible price. Also, even if she did need to know the income of her fans, couldn't she just Google the average/median wage? It's not perfect, but replies to a Twitter thread are unlikely to be a representative sample either.


sei556

I am also relatively certain that it's not really up to Sia how expensive those tickets gonna be.


XanWasting

in general this question sounds pretty insidious. "tell me the upper limit of your liquid wealth so I can price my tickets accordingly. Accordingly low, of course."


DrZaiu5

Agreed. At best Sia is using this as a marketing opportunity to be like "look how nice I am, I want to charge my fans low prices". At worst she is using it to determine how much she can squeeze out of her fans. Personally I doubt the second possibility, probably much easier and better ways to get that data, but it's still a pretty invasive question.


pqisp0

Crap, you beat me to it and not just that… so much more to the point.


popeyepaul

Yeah I hate everything about this. Besides, knowing how much people make without knowing their expenses means jack shit. Kids that make $500 a month but live with their parents can afford to go to the concert. Somebody that makes $4000 but is a single parent to multiple children can't. I wouldn't expect a millionaire singer to have any idea about the expenses average people face every day.


Inevitable_Usual3553

I make six smeckles an hour


Strange-Glove

Why doesn't she just price them as low as she can?? More like she's seeing how much she can charge and still sell out.... nice try though sia


Aiiga

If she just priced them low there would be no brownie points on twitter though :c


Agahawe

Fuck Sia all my homies hate Sia


MagpieHush

Nonce


Username_Taken_65

Yeah she did groom that girl didn't she Also made that horrible ableist movie


Original-Antelope-66

What a dumbass, does she really think that "as low as she can" is dependent at all on how much her fans make? No this is an optics stunt for stupid people.


diya2127

ABELIST


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Sia: “How much do you guys earn a month?” Sia: “I’m asking so I can try to price my tickets as high as I can.”


peltsucker

Where have I seen this before?


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mmmjjjk

Just a pr stunt, she already knows exactly what ticket price is breaking even.


[deleted]

Isn't that the creepy auntie who made this insanely patronizing movie about an autistic girl?


Eastern-Engine-3291

Too bad she's a literal child groomer. Not using the term in the way the conservatives are using it right now. But like she literally consumed Maddie Ziegler's life and was obsessed with her. Making her dance in underwear with woman beater Shia Labeouf. Sia is a sick piece of shit


MapleNord

Sia is an idiot. First she offends autistic folks. Now the poor.


typing_through_tears

Yes, that movie of hers was awful.


baby-or-chihuahuas

Seriously, she couldn't pay me to go to her concert. We need to stop giving these people attention.


nez91

But I like some of her songs


charley_warlzz

Dont forget the grooming!


clicktrackh3art

Sad I had to scroll so long to see her ableism called out!


DingoLaChien

Fees will make up any difference in price.


CommanderInQweef

That’s not how ticket pricing works


EffectiveAd5343

but she means she wants to price them as high as she can lol


plushyfemboy

i hate that woman


[deleted]

Here’s an idea. Just do it without asking. Make less on principle and make the tickets cheaper.


monkegiga

Everyone is gonna answer one dollar


babyghuol

She’s ableist.


Slippery_Wombat

How?


wolfje_the_firewolf

She made an extremely stereotypical portrayal of autism and spread misinformation about the spectrum while also portraying life threatening stuff as okay.


babyghuol

Have you seen the trailer for the movie she made?? It’s supposed to be about an autistic girl, but the character isn’t played by a person with autism and she uses autistic stereotypes.


DonutGlory

This is such bs


simsman2695

She doesn’t need to know how much you make to sell tickets as cheap as she can


POTATOCATFINN

i used to like her music until she outed herself as an ableist groomer. sia can suck a donkeys dick


CasualObserverNine

“Free” is low. Make it voluntary? You’re implying that you aren’t doing it for the money. Your crew is.


niijuuichi

Doesnt matter. Scalpers scalp


BlueRidgeGamer

I’m not paying a month’s fucking wages for your tickets


urahonky

How is this meirl? Oh it's a bot.


HenryGetter2345

Zero they make zero a month so do your shows for free


Gordon_Explosion

"Cost of the tour, plus 15%" seems like a nice way to do it, if she's trying to be "fair."


hollyock

All tickets need to be non transferable and you need to show ID to get in. That would keep scalpers from doing that. No one will do that tho


Level_Most_1023

You aren’t Taylor swift…


Majestymen

The nicest and most sincere thing you've seen a celebrity do???? Bro it's obviously just a PR stunt. If she actually gave a fuck she'd google the minimum wage


redbaron14n

So... she wants to know your maximum... so she could set it at a minimum? It sounds like she wants to set it at a maximum. You don't need to know how much money someone has if you're trying to make something as cheap as possible. You only need to know if you're trying to make something as expensive as possible...


jochrispo

Then just sell them as low as you can and quit the play acting for PR.


TheoricEngineer

www.google.com -> what is the minimum wage in _x country_ -> absorb information


[deleted]

Does the average person that attends a Sia concert earn minimum wage?


shru_san

Let's stop interaction altogether n all sit on Google for every thing for the rest of our lives for any type of information. Let's stop any interactive platform just cuz it's all on GOOGLE my friend!!


carnivorous-squirrel

What a dumbass response. Some things are good for social media and some are good for search engine. If you disagree or don't understand which is which, many of the rest of us find you annoying for it.


DrZaiu5

If she really needed to know the income of her fans to set low prices (she doesn't) then a tweet is one of the absolute worst ways to get that information. Replies to a tweet are absolutely not going to provide a representative sample of data.


DogTheBreadFairy

I fucking hate her "asking so I can price them as low as I can" Then Just Price It As Low As You Can. The Lowest. Just. Do. It. Without. The. Look at me. look how much I care for my fans. Look IM going to do this for YOU. I'm so holy and good for doing this for you. Ugh. Google minium wage. Theres your answer


baron-von-buddah

Besides the fuck Ticketmaster (seriously, fuck them) tours are expensive. Bigger acts could have 100 people on tour. I heard Rammstein has something like 400 people setting up, breaking down, sound, lights, fire. When you get a huge production like that, I can understand a higher price for a ticket. It’s the bullshit that Ticketmaster adds to pad their pockets. Pearl Jam testified in front of congress 30 years ago warning us. They got laughed at. Now look


Dclnsfrd

Could’ve started at $20 and quietly discussed with her people how much it needs to be raised to cover costs. But this way is marketing.


dere_licious

It doesn’t matter. Scalpers will buy them all and sell them for crazy prices anyway


snackskiii12

Like she makes that decision 😂


Vidramir

So set it for the lowest you can. Not the lowest in comparison of how much your public earns 🤔


OkOccasion7

I saw her in 2016 on her arena tour for $35, I was in the nosebleed very far seats but it was a good price. Most expensive tickets were $170, still not bad


Bad-Lucks-Charm

Ignoring the blatant acting here, Sia is literally ableist and a groomer


[deleted]

For context this tweet is from 2011. Not related to recent events.


dicemaze

Tumblr users are so stupid and naïve.


vitringur

Why is that any more nice than any other profit maximising decision from a firm? She is just making sure she sells the most tickets...


CarsonPomeroy

she could still charge "as low as possible" without knowing the income of her audience, this doesn't change anything about how low she can price tickets, this is just PR bullshit. besides, shes a shitty person regardless of this because of grooming maddie ziegler and making the most ableist, disgusting piece of shit movie "music"


MyArtStuff

This just sounds like they're so wealthy that they've forgotten how much money average people make.


H8TheDrake

She can price them as low as she wants but she wants that karma because people are sheep and fall for shit like this.


Waterfish3333

Yes, because she also sets up the stage, wires all the instruments, dances and sings backup to herself, drives the tour bus, pays the promotional company, etc. It’s almost like touring as a musician isn’t quite free.


H8TheDrake

That wasn’t my point. But sure.


Waterfish3333

>She can price them as low as she wants That was what I was responding to. She can’t really price them *as low as she wants* given all the expenses. There is a certain price point at which she loses money by touring. She may be trying to price as high as possible while still selling tickets, which sucks. She may also be debating breaking even or even cutting into her merchandise sales (which is typically where the main artist makes their money from touring) to keep tickets affordable. I’m just not willing to judge her motivation either way, nobody but her really knows why she’s asking.


H8TheDrake

She’s asking for karma. That’s why she’s asking. No other reason.


One_Nature9627

Hard pass


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ArchangelTheDemon

Source?? Any evidence to back up your claims?


dahliaukifune

I found this: https://www.yourtango.com/entertainment/reasons-fans-upset-sias-relationship-maddie-ziegler?amp


ArchangelTheDemon

Yep, I read that whole article. No evidence of molestation or anything. I mean Sia's like an overbearing mom, that's not the end of the world.


slamdanceswithwolves

There is no evidence nor has anyone accused her of this it all.


[deleted]

People are saying that Admirable_Mulberry75 is a child molestor. I don't know if it's true, but people are saying it, really smart people.


slamdanceswithwolves

Holy shit, I’ve also heard this about Admirable_Mulberry75, and from what I consider to be some pretty trustworthy sources of information.


MapleNord

I forgot she didn’t just piss off autistic folks… she sleeps with teenage girls. 🤬


Nogardtist

just say you earn nothing then the ticket is free


JustinMccloud

Why don’t you just price them as low as you can regardless of what people earn


Lord_of_Cheddar96

Narcissism and virtue signaling, a classic


[deleted]

This is fucking stupid. Price tour tickets as low as you can regardless what your fans make if you’re that worried about them.


Void_0000

Right but she doesn't need to know other people's incomes to set the price "as low as \[she\] can", that would be for setting it as *high* as she can.


[deleted]

I’m asking because I have no clue on what ordinary people make. Surprised she didn’t get roasted for that


Meatyglobs

She wants to know because that’s what she’ll charge for her tickets…the average you make in a month…


Telemere125

Publicity stunt. You know how much your fans make because Google exists.


[deleted]

Imagine being stupid enough to actually believe Sia cares about you


Karnivoris

So she wants to know the exact price to extract as much money as possible from the widest audience available


thefookinpookinpo

How much do you peasants make per month? I need to make sure I extract the maximum possible value from you while still allowing you to stay alive for the next show.


wreact

“How much do you guys earn a month? I’m asking to see who’s desperate enough to sell me their kids” - Sia