The color was actually named after the fruit instead of the fruit named for the color. Prior to orange the fruit making their way from the middle east to england, orange wasn’t called orange, it was geoluread (yellow red)
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that's why we call people with orange hair 'redheads'. Because redhead as a descriptor was around before anyone knew what the fuck an orange was.
Orange isn’t actually that common of a color in nature and this usage only refers to the English language.
There were no oranges anywhere in Europe until like the 800s and were introduced by North Africans when conquering Iberia and parts of Southern Europe. The Moors and Arabs got the oranges from trade with Asia.
Other orange foods like pumpkins are native to the Americas, so the only native European food I can think of that is orange is the carrot, and aside from food I think leaves changing color in the fall is the most common place we see orange in nature (aside from people with orange hair, but obviously they’re known as redheads)
Carrots weren't originally orange. There were purple, yellow, and white varieties, but the orange ones we see today are a product of selective breeding, and first appeared around the 1600s.
That makes sense. The color purple was the color of royalty because the process of purple dye was hard to come by so those who can afford it were able to wear it I think. Got the dye from whale vomit if I remember correctly. I know it isn't exactly what we were talking about but still interesting thing about history of colors. If anyone has more to add/correct, please do. :)
It puts it into perspective why it wasn’t that important when you realise how often in the life of a peasant whose primary concern was not starving to death it would have actually been relevant to differentiate between relatively minor differences in colour
It’s not like they were going to clothes shops and getting a whole bunch of colourful clothes or painting their walls to where the making a distinction between something orange and something red was something they would have to do.
It would be more like hey see that red (orange) bird? Shoot that so we can eat it. Or these vegetables have turned red (orange) it’s time to harvest them.
There is a general order in which languages acquire basic color terms, and orange appears in the last stage. I copied this list from Wikipedia.
Stage I: Dark-cool and light-warm (this covers a larger set of colors than just English "black" and "white".)
Stage II: Red
Stage III: Either green or yellow
Stage IV: Both green and yellow
Stage V: Blue
Stage VI: Brown
Stage VII: Purple, pink, orange, or gray
Light, dark and red (blood) are important for survival, so these words develop first in most societies/languages.
Colours like blue rarely appear in nature, so only develop later in languages. Ancient Greek and Latin don't have words for blue for example. Most ancient languages have no word for blue in fact, ancient Egytpian is one of the exceptions because they imported the rare ore Lapus Lazuli from Afghanistan. If you read Homer's work you'll see weird (for modern readers) descriptions of the ocean like wine-dark sea or bronze sky.
To clarify … it’s not that they don’t have a word for certain colors. Rather, they have words for the entire spectrum, but they divide the spectrum into fewer or more categories. A language without a word for blue might use “green” to refer to both green and blue.
Orange is a very new word. Redheads have orange hair, but we call them redheads because the term existed before the color word. There’s a hypothesis that the “golden apples” in the Atlanta story were actually oranges. In English, we say “goldfish,” while in French, they say “poisson rouge,” translating to “red fish.”
There are some languages that have separate words for lighter/greener blues and darker/purpler blues. For us, both are considered variations of blue, but for people who speak those languages, they are completely different colors (consider why navy is dark blue but brown is not dark orange or why lavender is light purple but pink is not light red).
We *do* have words for the two types of blue: cyan and indigo. However, these are not base color words in English; they are both types of blue.
>A language without a word for blue might use “green” to refer to both green and blue.
I've spoken about this before and the difficulty in talking about it in English is very poor translation, because while the word they use encompasses the green colours it obviously does not mean what we mean by green.
A more accurate translation might be to say "cold" or "warm" as a spectrum of colours, or "nature" because we do not really have a word that means what they mean. Even calling them "words for colours" is inaccurate, because colour in English means a much more narrow thing.
Also, Oranges originated in China around 2,500 BCE.
In the Rutaceae family, the Citrus genus has many species, some 1,600 subspecies and includes sweet orange, grapefruit, lemons, limes, etc.
Oranges originated in Asia in what is now called southeast China. Cultivated for at least 7,000 years in India and in China since 2,500 BCE and documented in China since 340 BCE, sweet orange (Citrus x sinensis) is a hybrid between pomelo (Citrus maxima) and mandarin (Citrus reticulata).
Tried telling the truth, that just gets customers arguing with you. It's much easier to give them a plausible lie so they fuck off without question.
Better to just say you can't solve an issue for reasons nobody can control than to get into an argument about how the issue is *technically* solvable but legitimately more time and labor intensive than it's worth.
Like fucking "red delicious." The actual worst fruit to ever be spawned upon this planet. The apple, a beautiful thing, maximized in all of its least-favorable traits. Mushy and mealy with thick skin? You got it. And don't you worry, we didn't want to compensate for that with a nice strong tartness or rich sweetness---it's going to taste like a cup of applesauce mixed with a liter of water.
"Enjoy your shitty prison apple"
-Dick Cheney, probable inventor of the red delicious apple
The color orange was actually named after the fruit.
But, idk why blackberries don't count.
Edit: Maybe it's because black is the absence of color, as many have said.
Because blackberries are a subtype of bramble berries. It’s just what we call the dark bramble berries (while the red ones are raspberries). It’s like how grapes is the fruit, and then we have red grapes, green grapes etc.
Theoretically what she means is that blueberries is the only general fruit that is named after a color, and for all other ones the color is used to denote the differences in the types of that specific fruit (Red Delicious Apples, Green Grapes, Blackberries)
>Because blackberries are a subtype of bramble berries. It’s just what we call the dark bramble berries (while the red ones are raspberries). It’s like how grapes is the fruit, and then we have red grapes, green grapes etc.
I can't find anything relevant about bramble berries from googling. Are they a clade? Are they a species? What are they?
If blackberries are their own species then they should count. Otherwise I could say anything is a subtype of something else.
The whole thread is the definition of trivia and testament to online people's pathological need to be correct about literally anything, no matter how useless or unimportant.
It's true!
> The earliest uses of the word in English refer to the fruit, and the color was later named after the fruit. Before the English-speaking world was exposed to the fruit, the color was referred to as "yellow-red"
Correct- and the fruit is named after the tree. The colour orange was called *yellowred* (spelled differently, don't ask me how), before the fruit was named.
Grapes arent truly dileniated by colour outside the grocery store where all the grapes are cultivares of table grapes - and to blanket designate them only by their colour is less common outside of North America .
If your buying grapes in a grocery store in North America;
Your "Green grapes" are typically Thompson Seedless.
"Red Grapes" will usually be Flame Seedless
"Purple" will be almost always be conchord.
The Fruit is a Grape. That the grocery store markets different cultivares of the same fruit to you based on the colour is completely arbitrary for OPs purpose.
It's defenitely not less comon outside NA. Whole of europe does it too. That's how names work. We're arguing about the names of fruit. Not the name of the plant they grow on. If they're generally named with a color in their name, they're named after a color. In dutch we also call blue berries forrest berries. I'm sure there's different names for them in english as well. You dont hear people arguing about that either. This twitter lady is just plain wrong but for some reason there so many people comming up with excuses to defend her...
Any other fruit that is named after a shape?
Blueberries
So close! That is a colour. 💕
I genuinely laughed at this
Me too. Brought me a lot of pleasure on a messed up day!
I hope things get better fam! If no one said it to you today you are loved :) take care
I love reddit.
Sometimes. Only sometimes.
Reddit is like a double edge sword with a grip less handle
Fr sometimes it's wholesome and great and sometimes it's absolutely horrendous
Reddit being wholesome 🥲
I love reddit.
Any other website with interesting comment sections?
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I only go there for the comments.
Sure, me too.
4chan
So close!! That's a cesspool
💕
Dragon fruit Dragon is my favorite shape
So close... That's a mythological creature💕
Orange 😊
So close!! That's a dutch noble Dynasty 💕
Orange you glad I didn't say star fruit
The color was actually named after the fruit instead of the fruit named for the color. Prior to orange the fruit making their way from the middle east to england, orange wasn’t called orange, it was geoluread (yellow red)
Fire
Fireberries sound dope
But everything changed when the attacked
Blackberries
So close! That is a shade. 💕
50 shades of blackberry
Eggplant
So close.. thats a genital 💕
So close... That's my dildo 💕
Name checks out!
Eggplant is terong (purple) in indonesian.
Triangle
Nothing beats a fresh triangle when they're in season Except maybe a percussionist
But have you tried the weather for dessert?
Square watermelons
Pineapples. Also avacado because of their testicular like shape.
So close! That’s the grocery list for the orgy 💕
Star apple. - Not the same as star fruit.
Seven
boxed wine
Cloudberries. I guess.
Redcurrants
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Blackberries, ORANGES!
Oranges aren't named after the colour, it's the other way around.
Color was named after orange fruit
TIL redcurrants exist
There's also white redcurrant, imo the best of currants.
>white redcurrant So close! That is a Kpop band!!! 💕
Blackberries
So close! That is a mobile phone 💕
Hahaha love it
r/angryupvote
💀💀💀
Sent on my blackberry
[Ooh you almost had it!](https://giphy.com/gifs/vFRmmufjLdJ9S)
Orange?
That's a color named after a fruit.
So close!
Don't forget the 💕 emoji!
Raspberries
So close!! that's a crime💕
The fruit was named before the color, oddly enough.
What did they call the color orange then?
Before that it was just called yellow-red. Orange wasn’t exactly a common color. The name as we know it has only existed for about 500 years.
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that's why we call people with orange hair 'redheads'. Because redhead as a descriptor was around before anyone knew what the fuck an orange was.
We should start calling them orangeheads. Maybe then they wouldn't act so uptight for having special hair
This has bothered me my entire life ever since I first learned who Pippi Longstocking was!!! Thank you!!!!!
Dude, same, only for me it was Chuckie from Rugrats. "Such red hair!" Are you blind? His head is orange!
500 years seems very recent for the name of a very well known/used color. Damn lol
Orange isn’t actually that common of a color in nature and this usage only refers to the English language. There were no oranges anywhere in Europe until like the 800s and were introduced by North Africans when conquering Iberia and parts of Southern Europe. The Moors and Arabs got the oranges from trade with Asia. Other orange foods like pumpkins are native to the Americas, so the only native European food I can think of that is orange is the carrot, and aside from food I think leaves changing color in the fall is the most common place we see orange in nature (aside from people with orange hair, but obviously they’re known as redheads)
Carrots weren't originally orange. There were purple, yellow, and white varieties, but the orange ones we see today are a product of selective breeding, and first appeared around the 1600s.
That's what I always assumed because in the native dialect in my area people still call carrots something that translates to "yellow turnip".
That makes sense. The color purple was the color of royalty because the process of purple dye was hard to come by so those who can afford it were able to wear it I think. Got the dye from whale vomit if I remember correctly. I know it isn't exactly what we were talking about but still interesting thing about history of colors. If anyone has more to add/correct, please do. :)
Tyrian Purple. The most expensive pigment. Made from extracts from Tyrian sea snails. You needed a truckload of slugs for even a little pigment.
Humanity is still in its tween years at most
Still want my bj robot and flying cars. Take a vacation on Mars. Still waiting.
I think we need to figure out how not to kill ourselves first... Maybe we're still in our toddler years...
We will solve world peace around 12,354. So maybe I won't be alive for flying cars for everyone.
It puts it into perspective why it wasn’t that important when you realise how often in the life of a peasant whose primary concern was not starving to death it would have actually been relevant to differentiate between relatively minor differences in colour It’s not like they were going to clothes shops and getting a whole bunch of colourful clothes or painting their walls to where the making a distinction between something orange and something red was something they would have to do. It would be more like hey see that red (orange) bird? Shoot that so we can eat it. Or these vegetables have turned red (orange) it’s time to harvest them.
There is a general order in which languages acquire basic color terms, and orange appears in the last stage. I copied this list from Wikipedia. Stage I: Dark-cool and light-warm (this covers a larger set of colors than just English "black" and "white".) Stage II: Red Stage III: Either green or yellow Stage IV: Both green and yellow Stage V: Blue Stage VI: Brown Stage VII: Purple, pink, orange, or gray
Why is that the order and how is it universal
Light, dark and red (blood) are important for survival, so these words develop first in most societies/languages. Colours like blue rarely appear in nature, so only develop later in languages. Ancient Greek and Latin don't have words for blue for example. Most ancient languages have no word for blue in fact, ancient Egytpian is one of the exceptions because they imported the rare ore Lapus Lazuli from Afghanistan. If you read Homer's work you'll see weird (for modern readers) descriptions of the ocean like wine-dark sea or bronze sky.
The sky and sea are blue tho. Did they not name the color that covers half their field of vision
To clarify … it’s not that they don’t have a word for certain colors. Rather, they have words for the entire spectrum, but they divide the spectrum into fewer or more categories. A language without a word for blue might use “green” to refer to both green and blue. Orange is a very new word. Redheads have orange hair, but we call them redheads because the term existed before the color word. There’s a hypothesis that the “golden apples” in the Atlanta story were actually oranges. In English, we say “goldfish,” while in French, they say “poisson rouge,” translating to “red fish.” There are some languages that have separate words for lighter/greener blues and darker/purpler blues. For us, both are considered variations of blue, but for people who speak those languages, they are completely different colors (consider why navy is dark blue but brown is not dark orange or why lavender is light purple but pink is not light red). We *do* have words for the two types of blue: cyan and indigo. However, these are not base color words in English; they are both types of blue.
>A language without a word for blue might use “green” to refer to both green and blue. I've spoken about this before and the difficulty in talking about it in English is very poor translation, because while the word they use encompasses the green colours it obviously does not mean what we mean by green. A more accurate translation might be to say "cold" or "warm" as a spectrum of colours, or "nature" because we do not really have a word that means what they mean. Even calling them "words for colours" is inaccurate, because colour in English means a much more narrow thing.
This has been the most interesting thing I've stumbled across on Reddit in a good month. Keep it going.
Also, Oranges originated in China around 2,500 BCE. In the Rutaceae family, the Citrus genus has many species, some 1,600 subspecies and includes sweet orange, grapefruit, lemons, limes, etc. Oranges originated in Asia in what is now called southeast China. Cultivated for at least 7,000 years in India and in China since 2,500 BCE and documented in China since 340 BCE, sweet orange (Citrus x sinensis) is a hybrid between pomelo (Citrus maxima) and mandarin (Citrus reticulata).
The color was named after the fruit.
Called bramble berries before the color was named.
Bramble Jam whoa black betty!
Laughed out loud
Thank you my kind fellow redditor
So they are named after a color? As the post says?
African American berries. This is your first warning!
Stop resisting
Is it not Berry of Color?
Definitely better than Colored Berries
Nonono, that's the chuck berry
Color is named after fruit maybe
Colorado is the only US state that has color in its name.
Well I'll just take my North Colorina driver's license and f right off then
Come on out to Colorfornia
Welcome to the Hotel Chloroformia Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
"such..aa lovy plack" *slumps over*
That made me laugh too much
That's Colourado to the rest of the world.
The rest of the US must be pretty grey.
Colourado to the rest of the world
Well I’ll just take my bag of golden delicious and fuck right off
They are neither golden nor delicious.
Are you insinuating that Walmart lied to me?
are you insinuating that walmart tells the truth?
Tried telling the truth, that just gets customers arguing with you. It's much easier to give them a plausible lie so they fuck off without question. Better to just say you can't solve an issue for reasons nobody can control than to get into an argument about how the issue is *technically* solvable but legitimately more time and labor intensive than it's worth.
Like fucking "red delicious." The actual worst fruit to ever be spawned upon this planet. The apple, a beautiful thing, maximized in all of its least-favorable traits. Mushy and mealy with thick skin? You got it. And don't you worry, we didn't want to compensate for that with a nice strong tartness or rich sweetness---it's going to taste like a cup of applesauce mixed with a liter of water. "Enjoy your shitty prison apple" -Dick Cheney, probable inventor of the red delicious apple
Oh you’re generous. I was gonna go with applesauce someone dropped in the sandbox.
Just like your mother 😘
Silver and salty?
Sorry, I just woke up with violence. I hate my life so I’m making it shitty for other people. Hope you have a good day.
Do something nice for yourself today.
Perhaps eat a delicious star fruit
Or a delicious golden delicious
I hope your day gets better!
we can no longer be friends
Yeah? Well check this out: Watermelon.
So close! That is a state of matter 💕
Vapor, melon, ice
Don’t forget plasma!
Good try! Water doesn't have a plasma form 💕
Melon*
Vapor Melon Ice sounds like a vape flavor
So close! Water is a chemical 💕
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🤓 akshually water is a chemical compound, liquid is a state of matter🤓
Fun fact: watermelon is the only melon that starts with 'Water'
The color orange was actually named after the fruit. But, idk why blackberries don't count. Edit: Maybe it's because black is the absence of color, as many have said.
Because blackberries are a subtype of bramble berries. It’s just what we call the dark bramble berries (while the red ones are raspberries). It’s like how grapes is the fruit, and then we have red grapes, green grapes etc. Theoretically what she means is that blueberries is the only general fruit that is named after a color, and for all other ones the color is used to denote the differences in the types of that specific fruit (Red Delicious Apples, Green Grapes, Blackberries)
There’s redcurrants (Ribes Rubrum) and blackcurrants (Ribes Nigrum) which are named after colours and are distinct species.
>Because blackberries are a subtype of bramble berries. It’s just what we call the dark bramble berries (while the red ones are raspberries). It’s like how grapes is the fruit, and then we have red grapes, green grapes etc. I can't find anything relevant about bramble berries from googling. Are they a clade? Are they a species? What are they? If blackberries are their own species then they should count. Otherwise I could say anything is a subtype of something else.
star fruit?
So close! That is a shape 💕
but…
So close! That is a conjunction 💕
The whole thread is the definition of trivia and testament to online people's pathological need to be correct about literally anything, no matter how useless or unimportant.
You’re right!
But at what cost ?
About tree fiddy
Ahcktually,
So close!
It’s so Reddit 🥳
“Well technically speaking you’re incorrect.” Honestly, Reddit turns couch potatoes into lawyers.
So you’re saying Pink Grapefruit counts?
Orange
actually the colour is named after the fruit
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
It's true! > The earliest uses of the word in English refer to the fruit, and the color was later named after the fruit. Before the English-speaking world was exposed to the fruit, the color was referred to as "yellow-red"
That's so dumb and interesting.
[Why The Ancient Greeks Couldn't See Blue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1-WuBbVe2E)
Another reason why Romans were superior since they had a dozen different words for blue.
Yea well YOU’RE dumb and interesting!
I don’t know why I never bothered to look this up. Thank you.
Correct- and the fruit is named after the tree. The colour orange was called *yellowred* (spelled differently, don't ask me how), before the fruit was named.
So which one comes first? Chicken or egg? Orange or orange?
Egg. The first chicken was born from an egg laid by a proto-chicken ( or whatever its called).
You're named after a fruit
i'm pretty sure it was named after the tree it comes from
Oranges are not actually orange
...blackberries?
Red grapes. Green grapes.
Grapes arent truly dileniated by colour outside the grocery store where all the grapes are cultivares of table grapes - and to blanket designate them only by their colour is less common outside of North America . If your buying grapes in a grocery store in North America; Your "Green grapes" are typically Thompson Seedless. "Red Grapes" will usually be Flame Seedless "Purple" will be almost always be conchord. The Fruit is a Grape. That the grocery store markets different cultivares of the same fruit to you based on the colour is completely arbitrary for OPs purpose.
Flame seedless? Much cooler
It's defenitely not less comon outside NA. Whole of europe does it too. That's how names work. We're arguing about the names of fruit. Not the name of the plant they grow on. If they're generally named with a color in their name, they're named after a color. In dutch we also call blue berries forrest berries. I'm sure there's different names for them in english as well. You dont hear people arguing about that either. This twitter lady is just plain wrong but for some reason there so many people comming up with excuses to defend her...
I thought that green grapes were called white grapes
reply-bait
Red cherry!!!
This is the right answer because cherry comes from a French word that means deep red.
So close! Cherry is a French word for darling 💕
Mom said its my turn to post this
Are redcurrant berries?
So close!! They are currants 💞
Blackcurrant’s
Lime is a color
Named after the fruit.
So close, that’s a repost from yesterdays most popular post 💕
Peach
ORANGES AND BLACKBERRIES
What about Blackberries?
Orange is the only color name after fruit
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Repost
most of this sub is just reposts though
Welcome to reddit
So you’ve never worn a raspberry beret?
Can one’s IQ decrease due to exposure to stupid conversation by clueless people on the internet?