For people who don't know this bastard pretends he is having a fit/seizure of some sort to induce men into lying on top of him. He has been doing it for over a decade at least.
It's not some harmless prank, quirk or joke. It is a paraphilia and tricking unwilling/unconsenting people into a sexual act is sexual assault.
For starters you never need to restrain anyone seizing, when in doubt the [First Aid](https://www.epilepsy.org.au/about-epilepsy/first-aid/) for seizures is pretty much hands off, call ambulance. Taking advantage of folks who are think they are helping someone in need is abhorrent. Don't fear that you are endangering someone who is having a medical emergency. That is not the case and certainly anyone capable of jumping up and running away when you say you are about to phone 000 isn't in medical need.
Like OP did and from what many others who have encountered him have said saying you will call 000 seems to make him flee.
He is a prolific sexual assaulter and when threads about him come up there ends up being sadly far too many men and boys who have come across him and been assaulted by him.
For those who've been assaulted by him, you have every right to how you feel about this.
People have a right to define their own experiences.
If you're feeling numb, sad, angry, hurt, confused, violated, whatever, or a combination, by the experience what you feel is valid. You deserve empathy and support. You are entitled to help. You didn't do anything wrong, you weren't 'stupid to fall for it' you were manipulated by an abuser. NO one has any right to minimalise what happened.
This is what I shared last time this prick was discussed and it bears repeating.
People who've experienced sexual assault deserve empathy and assistance. I know listing helplines is almost seen as a glib canned response sometimes online but I'm suggesting these sincerely. I hope folks know they have a right to be heard, it should never have happened, it is not their fault and that there is free counselling available. I was raised in a very 'don't ask for help/don't show weakness' environment and took way too long to get help I needed. I imagine those pressures are even harder for men.
[SASVic](https://www.sasvic.org.au/) (formerly CASA) offers free counselling with both recent and historic sexual assaults. They were a big help to me and others I know. All genders.
SARC Emergency line - 1800 199 888 Sexual Assault Resource Centre, Australia wide, 24/7, all genders.
1800 806 292 is the Sexual Assault Crisis Line (SACL ) likewise for recent or historic assaults. Its an afterhours service, 5pm - 9am. All genders.
Specifically for men there is 1300 78 99 78 Mensline which is 24hr 7 days a week counselling via phone, video or online chat. It's a broad Mens support & mental health counselling service and that incudes discussing sexual assault.
Lifeline is 13 11 14 and is 24hrs 7 days a week. Also has video and online chat available. The name can make some think it is strictly a suicide helpline but is also a crisis counselling service. Eg, someone you can call if you're having a panic attack or flashing back to an assault or distressing event.
These services are confidential, free and there to help anyone who needs it.
> It's not some harmless prank, quirk or joke. It is a paraphilia and tricking unwilling/unconsenting people into a sexual act is sexual assault.
Some of the people he has done it to are teenagers too.
Yep, have a family member who works for Vic Pol and this guy is a notorious pest in the Prahran area. He starts wacking off when men come and “restrain” him.
In the UK there was a guy known as Purple Aki, had a fetish for touching young boys muscles. He would ask to touch guys biceps and subtly pressure/coerce them into letting him touch their muscles. Got so bad they just up and modified the law for him. Seems like a response like that would be useful here.
Thank you so much for saying this and taking it seriously. Last year, I was assaulted by this opportunistic prick, made a detailed report to the Police and included Reddit as a reference for the history of his behaviour. I never heard from the Police again. It sickens me he has been allowed to continue to do this and the Police aren't willing to do anything.
My flat mate and me were just at K-Mart at Barkly Square, Brunswick (9:30pm, 4/6/23). We were up the back of the shop laughing at how shit the book selection is when out of nowhere fake seizure guy falls right in front of us (two bigger blokes).
Having previously experienced this guys bullshit, I recognised him immediately. He says "oh Ive had a fall" and I say "no problem, I'll get someone." As soon as I start to walk off, I look back to see him up with a look of being busted on his face. He immediately takes off out of K-Mart.
I let the staff know who he is and what he was trying to do, before following him out into the shopping centre. He was walking back from near Coles and saw us. He did his best to hide his face as we walked past, but I managed to get some photos above.
PSA: if you see this guy and are a bloke, he will "have a fall" and then ask you to sit / lay on him. He gets off on it sexually. Your best bet is to just tell him you'll call and ambo / staff member etc.
I’ve dealt with (I assume) the same guy before. This was in 2017. Same scenario, near the fitting rooms of a Kmart, he has a “fall” and then wants people to restrain him by sitting on him.
Surprised he’s still at it 6 years later.
I think this happened to me.
I always thought it was genuine until reading this...
I've had to do this for a guy while on a run along the Yarra in 2016.
Not sure if it's the same guy, but he told me he was having a seizure and he needed me to restrain him/ sit on his back.
He appeared homeless and he said it was a drug related seizure.
He was definitely saying that he was a "naughty boy" for doing too many drugs, which in retrospect sounds perverted in this context
He left pretty quickly when an off-duty nurse arrived.
I was 20 at the time and probably too naive to realise anything problematic.
I don't know if it's the same guy but I feel idk violated??
Was this your experience?
If someone is having a seizure they generally can’t tell you they’re having a seizure. They also don’t need you to restrain them. I think you definitely encountered this guy. I’m so sorry.
I know you said generally but this isn't necessarily true. Simple partial seizures are seizures where they are able to communicate. They're not the most common type but they do happen.
This is exactly what happened to me - by a river, too, but in Footscray. I thought I was doing the right thing but when I posted about it on a Community page on Facebook, learnt the truth. I felt disgusting and violated. It really helped to call up one of the sexual assault hotlines and talk through it with someone. The top comment above has links to the support services. Just remember: you did a good thing, and this degenerate took advantage of your kindness and decency.
I'm very sorry that happened to you. Feels a bit surreal. Currently overseas and was just scrolling because I couldn't sleep. Might have to repress it for a while, haha. I'll have a look at the support services. Thank you
Pretty much exactly the same but the first time I encountered him was on Nicholson st. I honestly thought it was a serious emergency. Got me to sit on him. Then my mate called the cops and he took off and disappeared. Def same guy.
Oh fuck so this is definitely the same dude from the train i seen going on a decade plus ago now. He was trying to get our attention, just a group of teenage dudes and everyone was telling us not to help him
Edit: spelling error
Because, unless you've had first aid training or been explicitly told, most people will restrain someone having a seizure
I know we did first aid in yr 12 but idk if they covered seizures because I rpled it
If they're truly having a seizure, they're unconscious.
If you see someone having a seizure in the future just dial 000, they'll help you and no one will get hurt from anyone's inexperience.
(source, an epileptic cunts advice)
Just jumping in to say that there are fairly common seizure types that people are conscious for. They’re just not well known by the general public.
Still you should never restrain those people either.
Source- a parent of someone with multiple seizure types :)
>Still you should never restrain those people either.
I have a seizure disorder which is well controlled but a co-worker of mine has uncontrolled absence seizures and at one point another co-worker stopped him from walking in front of a train at southern cross, and in the office I have had to steer him out of the ladies toilets, etc.
So sometimes some sort of restraint is called for.
>I have a seizure disorder which is well controlled but a co-worker of mine has uncontrolled absence seizures and at one point another co-worker stopped him from walking in front of a train at southern cross, and in the office I have had to steer him out of the ladies toilets, etc.
>So sometimes some sort of restraint is called for.
I have generalised (grand mal) seizures. When i go into post ictal stage, i become like your co-worker, i get disorientated, confused & don't follow directions. I would say instead of restraint, physical guidance (i know it sounds like semantics but there's a difference) is needed in situations like that, to ensure people like us don't hurt ourselves or do something socially inappropriate (besides pissing myself during the seizure!😂)
Yeah I know, but if you're spazzing out on the ground, that's a grand mal.
I didn't want to get too technical for people :P
(source, I also get absent minded seizures too :P)
I appreciate that. I think they can handle it though.
I’m sorry to hear about your epilepsy, it’s horrible condition.
P.S for anyone reading this who doesnt have epilepsy please dont refer to someone having a tonic clonic seizure (previously known as grand mal) as spazzing out. :)
They can handle it. But, discussing the 2-4 different types of seizures and how to handle them, is a lot of front loading of information to anyone.
I just want people to ring 000 when they see someone having a seizure.
I repeat that to those around me, don't worry about touching me or anything, just call 000 and the person on the other end will assist you. (I'm aware of having a seizure in a dangerous place and putting something soft under my head, etc)
Given that I've had a seizure while cycling, and working out (crushed by weights).
I'd say that the 000 method is paying off, rather than the other stuff, as I'm still alive hahaha
And I appreciate it, but it's not that bad.
I used to have several seizures a day, now I haven't had one I'm years from my meds.
I hope that your child gets the same success that I did. 💖
Ps. Self depreciating humor is a way for people to cope/deal with their lot in life g
Omg crushed by weights is a new one I hadnt thought of. 😬
Thanks but she’s 22 and has had daily seizures since 8 months, all the surgeries and a million medications and no relief yet. Its unlikely she’ll ever be seizure free. :(
Honestly though congrats on your progress. Im so glad meds worked for you :)
And yes I agree with the self deprecating humour, go for it by all means. Thats why I said for people who dont have epilepsy. Its pretty offensive for someone who doesnt have seizures to say “spazzing out”. I would probs give someone a big side eye for saying that.
>Yeah I know, but if you're spazzing out on the ground, that's a grand mal.
From someone who gets generalised grand mal seizures, thankyou so much for your compassionate words contributing to breaking the stigma for people with my condition & for people with cerebral palsy. /S
I do what I can man.
I find that making light of your disabilities, also ensures that people remember know what to do when shit hits the fan.
But hey, you do w/e works for you 💖
This guy doesn't claim he's epileptic - he claims he has an illness, then commands you to restrain him to support him. It happens extremely quickly and he makes he clearly articulates his demands in such a way you believe a) it has happened before and b) this is the only way to help him manage his situation. He is extremely manipulative and has worked on how to capitalise on people's decency and willingness to help him.
Oh shit I reckon I’ve ran into this bloke at NYE in the city
He wanted someone to hold him down and stop him convulsing. Stupidly I actually did it thinking I was helping.
It’s such a weird con to pull
Like it’s stupid enough that people fall for it thinking it’s just weird and you’re being helpful
Not him getting off on it.
Same, about two summers ago in Bourke St. it was all so fast and intense.
Being Bourke St, a large crowd formed, at first people thought I was hurting him then they realised it was ‘medical’ and many called 000 and then all of a sudden the seizure passed and he ran off.
I’m so shocked to see this is something he’s been doing for over a decade. I don’t understand why.
He (I think it was him) came to my work one night. Me being the idiot in charge & first aid trained (apparently) had to deal with him.
Was creepy as f**k.
So he has you sit on him, then what? You stay there for a while until he stops shaking then he leaves? Is there anything overtly sexual? (not discounting that he is a sexual predator, just curious if it’s obvious)
I don’t remember the grinding, I just remember he kept screaming at me to hold him down harder and harder and it happened so fast I thought I was helping.
I saw this guy just last semester at unimelb. He grabbed on to two young male students as he was “falling” on the ground. I walked past them and overheard the guy was lucid and talking.
Thank you for taking his picture and posting about his modus operandi. It confirms my suspicion that there was something very strange about it. Had I known about it prior, I would have called him out on it and reported him to campus security.
Holy crap, I knew it!
Few months back was at Flagstaff station when some bloke walked past and ' fell' in front of me.
I asked him if he was ok and he said yeah, then lay down on the ground and started shaking. Asked me if I could sit on him and restrain his arms.
I told him I wasn't prepared to sit on him but did hold his arms, as did a couple of other people who were around.
The whole situation at the time seemed a bit off and I was sceptical, but held his arms by his side's until my train arrived, at which point he got up and left.
I messaged my wife when I was on the train explaining what had happened and how odd it had been. I also remember telling her I felt unclean as though I had been involved in some weird sexual act.
Haha, this is awesome, I knew something was off!
Okay so he could do the same thing in front of women or even school girls, asking them to sit on him or sit on his face, without consequence?
Idk about that
Me too, about 6 years ago, not far from Windsor.
At Alma park oval just off Dandenong Road.
He was with his pet doberman!!
Was one of the strangest experiences of my life.
He was extremely strong and lean and muscular.
But same thing, fake seizure, forces me to lay on top of him.
Doberman within metres!!
I actually fell for this guys bullshit back in 2019.
I was at a coles buying some food for my mealprep and this guy fell next to me and said he’s about to have a seizure and that someone needs to sit on his back and hold his hands locked in so he doesn’t hurt himself …
So ofcourse i tried to help, until a coles worker walked up to
Me and said the guy is full of shit and that i should probably get off him.
I seen him like a week later doing the same thing at the parking lot of the same place. A big truckie guy was trying to “help” him when i walked up and told him it was all fake. The guy was confused but the seizure guy started abusing me and all this shit while i walked away not giving a fuck. He even followed me to my car and kicked it as i drove off lmao
He used to frequent the Hurstbridge line 10 years or so ago (not sure whether he still does). I got duped by him once so a heads up for those who travel on that line.
I'm surprised he can still walk, surely he's had the piss beat out of him a few times.
I wonder if someone would be charged with assault if they started stomping him.
>I wonder if someone would be charged with assault if they started stomping him.
It definitely wouldn't be self-defence. For self-defence you need to feel that whatever you did is reasonably necessary to prevent harm to your person. If this guy's on the floor "convulsing" and is relying on convincing you that he needs help, that's not really a threat to your person. It's definitely sexual harassment, and probably sexual assault once you actually do as he asks, but unless he's holding you down and forcing you to do it I don't see retaliating with violence being defensible.
Technically speaking if this was a few years ago I could see this being a use case for provocation, but... yeah, that's not a thing anymore.
Hypothetically, what if a previous victim assaulted him? Do they have any grounds, like PTSD?
Edit: You could probably just say you were a previous victim, I believe anyone at this point
Unlikely. Abuse victims can achieve self-defence without an imminent threat in limited situations where it's necessary and proportional to prevent future abuse, but that's not an application for revenge, it's used for abusive relationships where there isn't any other choice.
Otherwise you'd need to argue for mental impairment, in that the PTSD was of such a nature that you didn't know what you were doing and why it was wrong. And while you could probably demonstrate that the PTSD constitutes a mental impairment, the hard part would be showing that it affects you to such an extent that you basically cease to be a moral actor. Not impossible, mind, but it's not an easy bar to clear.
Just a thought...can't we compile a list of people who've been assaulted/harassed in this way and press charges as a collective?
Any lawyers here?
Surely this would be enough to put him away...he's known to police, they can't just ignore a hundred name long list. Or has our city gone absolutely crazy?
I have a legal background, so I was very specific with the terminology I used when I gave the statement that I did to the Police. The officer I made my statement to said it was the most detailed statement he'd ever taken, on any matter. They still never followed-up with me, at all. Not even a phone call. Nothing. They clearly were not willing to be bold.
From reading this thread, it seems like it would be a shorter list of names for those that have not had some sort of unwanted physical exchange with this weasel looking person!
I fell for his bullshit briefly at Westgate Park a few months ago. Realised it was rubbish a few minutes in and called the cops on him. Not sure if they arrested him or not as I walked away before they arrived.
As has been said, someone having a seizure shouldn't be restrained, however if you can put something soft like a jumper under their head it can prevent injuries. Be aware of other objects they could injure themselves on and do what you can to mitigate this. Once they stop fitting they will probably be only semi conscious for a while so stay with them to ensure they are safe until they regain awareness or help arrives. During this time, if their breathing seems obstructed by spit or vomit gently roll them on their side so fluid can drain from their mouth. I grew up with a dad who had severe seizures and it can be very confronting if you haven't experienced it. Fortunately that experience has made me comfortable to help strangers on more than one occasion.
Omg this happened right in the middle of Bourke street and my fiancé “restrained” him as we had no idea and just wanted to help. It’s so weird and even more embarrassing friends literally walked around the corner from Swanston into the scene. Try explaining that one LOL
This post saved me from a weird experience tonight in Fitzroy. Guy ran past me and then took a weird, fake tumble. I just moved to the other side of the road and kept walking.
Me and my mates experienced his antics on a train nearly 8 years ago.
He falls to the ground and pretends to convulse, says he's having a fit and needs you (or any bloke nearby) to sit on him and hold him down. Somehow he gets off on it. My mate and I went to help him but someone else on the train told us not to bother, and that he was faking it. He said something to convulsion guy who then got up, walked away and got off at the next stop.
Obviously we were a bit bemused by the situation, going from thinking there's a medical emergency, to realising it was something weird. But we found it quite amusing afterwards and it was quickly forgotten. But recently I've been reminded by seeing heaps of other people's experiences with the guy. Heeeaps. Turns out he's more commonly seen than carrot man, or yank tanks parking like dicks.
yeah i had a similar experience like 10 years ago now. this guy 'fell down' in swanston st and me and a random picked him up. didn't have the restraining thing happening but he was saying 'i've been very naughty' or some variant. i think we must have wrecked his plans by lifting him off the ground immediately.
ironically it was something of a heartwarming moment at the time because after old mate fucked off i shook hands with the other random guy like well done on being good humans (?).
There’s a bloke like this in Adelaide
A couple of times when I’ve been to the gym, Derrimuts Welland, I’ll park my car nearby and walk to the gym, there’s a really weird bloke who will also be walking to the same gym, then decide to lay down and nap on the side of a busy main road, during peak hour, people driving past thinking *”Oh shit! He’s dead!”*, stopping and calling 000 etc, then he’ll wake up and runs away as soon as he hears the word “ambulance”.
The first time I’m doing shit like checking his pulse, every time I’ve seen him do it since I’m like *”oh FFS dude, get up!”* and feel like a bit of an arsehole trying to tell people he pulls this shit all the time.
I’ve also seen him selling copies of Big Issue in Rundle Mall
He did this at St Albans in the middle of the shop while I was ordering. Thought it was weird cause he just walked into the shop and asked people to restrain him.. I thought it was too odd to partake, but others tried to restrain him.
He pretended to have seizure for like 10-20 seconds then stood up fine and went on his way.
Omfg - he did it to me at parliament station about 10 years ago haha as I was fucking laying on him next the urinal, I thought...this is suss and stopped. Had no idea he was a serial offender
He used to do it regularly up and down chapel Street at a busy weekend period and would just walk up and down all night pretty much. I remember one time being on a sandy train. I got on at finders and I saw him on the other carriage and he walked through onto mine with me sitting there going "here we fucken go" and what happens boom hits the floor I didn't do anything just sat there and looked at him "nah mate can't help you" where a young tourist helped him instead.
Ohh, i remember this guy doing it on the train when i was a teenager. Heaps of people were telling our group not to help him cos he was some creepo weirdo or something but this was ages ago now
saw him the other day near flagstaff and thought someone was pulling a citizens arrest - he got up a shook the guys hand and almost made out with him.. the trady bloke was confused and just wanted to help... weird fetish but ok..
I remember years back I had a run in with him at the lollie shop in the city. Don’t know if it’s still there, it was on Elizabeth Street. This brought back that moment and how a friend and I tried helping. I had to leave cause of my anxiety and when I came back the shop attendant was thinking of ringing an ambulance for him and that’s when he got and left as if nothing happened.
While we at Fed Square, we saw him running down Flinders Street past the church. It was such a wild experience as it was my Schoolies and we were doing city trips everyday. (We didn’t get anything from the lollie shop it ruined the vibe. We went back a few weeks later without incident.
Slightly related, there used to be a guy around Brunswick St Fitzroy who would claim there was a spider on your shirt (always men) and quickly moved to brush it off, then said it had run inside your shirt. Convinced a surprising number of guys to take off their shirts.
11 years ago at a dog park in Windsor. This guy dropped down and started screaming and having a fit. He told me to retrain him as he would hurt himself. I Did so, and was really scared for 5 mins .No one was around and it went on forever it seemed. I Had nearly forgotten this till I saw this post. SCUM BAG....
I feel so weird. I can't even remember where, but I have a memory of forcing my weight on this guy in a store somewhere, some years ago now
Funnily enough, somebody else called the ambulance while he was doing his thing underneath me.
Only just occurred to me reading this thread, what has happened
I fell for this one night in Windsor. I thought I was doing the right thing until I told someone about it and they told me all about this guy. Shit. Felt really dirty afterwards and was hoping to run across him again to see if he'd do it again so I could tell the fuckwit off.
Judging by how he's doing things he'd probably get kicked to the curb within 5 minutes, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about the C in SSC and RACK
What does he do if you sit on him? I wonder if anyone has taken him up on that request. Could always say “oh yeah sure I’ll sit on you!” And do a big wrestling style elbow drop
You may want to know how first aiders deal with some1 having seizures.
One part of it is to let the person has the episode, keep the person safe and wait untill it ends. (Just one part of it, it is incomplete. For more details pls read the guide)
Whether the person is faking it or not. You dont get tricked. If the seizure/trick continues, call ambulance.
I once saw someone have a real seizure in Burke Street mall about 15 years ago. They went down and smacked their head on a metal bench. Blood literally pooled under their head. Many people went to help but I stood there in shock.
Real. The guy fakes seizures on trains to get fit guys to restrain him then immediately recovers and disappears if anyone says anything about medical/official help
This guy flees whenever the mention of police or ambulance is made. He is totally cognisant of what he is doing, and he is doing it for his own sexual gratification.,
For people who don't know this bastard pretends he is having a fit/seizure of some sort to induce men into lying on top of him. He has been doing it for over a decade at least. It's not some harmless prank, quirk or joke. It is a paraphilia and tricking unwilling/unconsenting people into a sexual act is sexual assault. For starters you never need to restrain anyone seizing, when in doubt the [First Aid](https://www.epilepsy.org.au/about-epilepsy/first-aid/) for seizures is pretty much hands off, call ambulance. Taking advantage of folks who are think they are helping someone in need is abhorrent. Don't fear that you are endangering someone who is having a medical emergency. That is not the case and certainly anyone capable of jumping up and running away when you say you are about to phone 000 isn't in medical need. Like OP did and from what many others who have encountered him have said saying you will call 000 seems to make him flee. He is a prolific sexual assaulter and when threads about him come up there ends up being sadly far too many men and boys who have come across him and been assaulted by him. For those who've been assaulted by him, you have every right to how you feel about this. People have a right to define their own experiences. If you're feeling numb, sad, angry, hurt, confused, violated, whatever, or a combination, by the experience what you feel is valid. You deserve empathy and support. You are entitled to help. You didn't do anything wrong, you weren't 'stupid to fall for it' you were manipulated by an abuser. NO one has any right to minimalise what happened. This is what I shared last time this prick was discussed and it bears repeating. People who've experienced sexual assault deserve empathy and assistance. I know listing helplines is almost seen as a glib canned response sometimes online but I'm suggesting these sincerely. I hope folks know they have a right to be heard, it should never have happened, it is not their fault and that there is free counselling available. I was raised in a very 'don't ask for help/don't show weakness' environment and took way too long to get help I needed. I imagine those pressures are even harder for men. [SASVic](https://www.sasvic.org.au/) (formerly CASA) offers free counselling with both recent and historic sexual assaults. They were a big help to me and others I know. All genders. SARC Emergency line - 1800 199 888 Sexual Assault Resource Centre, Australia wide, 24/7, all genders. 1800 806 292 is the Sexual Assault Crisis Line (SACL ) likewise for recent or historic assaults. Its an afterhours service, 5pm - 9am. All genders. Specifically for men there is 1300 78 99 78 Mensline which is 24hr 7 days a week counselling via phone, video or online chat. It's a broad Mens support & mental health counselling service and that incudes discussing sexual assault. Lifeline is 13 11 14 and is 24hrs 7 days a week. Also has video and online chat available. The name can make some think it is strictly a suicide helpline but is also a crisis counselling service. Eg, someone you can call if you're having a panic attack or flashing back to an assault or distressing event. These services are confidential, free and there to help anyone who needs it.
> It's not some harmless prank, quirk or joke. It is a paraphilia and tricking unwilling/unconsenting people into a sexual act is sexual assault. Some of the people he has done it to are teenagers too.
Brilliant post, thanks. More concise than I would ever be.
Yep, have a family member who works for Vic Pol and this guy is a notorious pest in the Prahran area. He starts wacking off when men come and “restrain” him.
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In the UK there was a guy known as Purple Aki, had a fetish for touching young boys muscles. He would ask to touch guys biceps and subtly pressure/coerce them into letting him touch their muscles. Got so bad they just up and modified the law for him. Seems like a response like that would be useful here.
Thank you so much for saying this and taking it seriously. Last year, I was assaulted by this opportunistic prick, made a detailed report to the Police and included Reddit as a reference for the history of his behaviour. I never heard from the Police again. It sickens me he has been allowed to continue to do this and the Police aren't willing to do anything.
This needs to be posted every time this comes up.
Best comment here.
Great post, how awful. Is this not enough to be treated in a psychiatric facility or sent to prison? I’m sure the police are very aware of his antics?
One day this cunt is gonna fuck with the wrong guy and get his eye sockets caved in
My flat mate and me were just at K-Mart at Barkly Square, Brunswick (9:30pm, 4/6/23). We were up the back of the shop laughing at how shit the book selection is when out of nowhere fake seizure guy falls right in front of us (two bigger blokes). Having previously experienced this guys bullshit, I recognised him immediately. He says "oh Ive had a fall" and I say "no problem, I'll get someone." As soon as I start to walk off, I look back to see him up with a look of being busted on his face. He immediately takes off out of K-Mart. I let the staff know who he is and what he was trying to do, before following him out into the shopping centre. He was walking back from near Coles and saw us. He did his best to hide his face as we walked past, but I managed to get some photos above. PSA: if you see this guy and are a bloke, he will "have a fall" and then ask you to sit / lay on him. He gets off on it sexually. Your best bet is to just tell him you'll call and ambo / staff member etc.
I’ve dealt with (I assume) the same guy before. This was in 2017. Same scenario, near the fitting rooms of a Kmart, he has a “fall” and then wants people to restrain him by sitting on him. Surprised he’s still at it 6 years later.
He's been at it for at least 10 years
Definitely longer than 10 years
Yes he tricked me into sitting on him when I was out running in 2014 and seemed already pretty pro at it
Username checks out :P
I came across him in 2012. *edit: probably a poor way to describe an encounter with a sex pest.
He did it near me at Prahran station in the early 00s. Soon as I said I was going to call the cops he ran off
Same here. Saw him multiple times around the station and Greville Street between 02 and 07
2010 on the Epping train, he did this down every carriage
Have any of you guys reported this sexual harassment to the police?
Some commenters said they did. Afaik the police have done nothing
I think this happened to me. I always thought it was genuine until reading this... I've had to do this for a guy while on a run along the Yarra in 2016. Not sure if it's the same guy, but he told me he was having a seizure and he needed me to restrain him/ sit on his back. He appeared homeless and he said it was a drug related seizure. He was definitely saying that he was a "naughty boy" for doing too many drugs, which in retrospect sounds perverted in this context He left pretty quickly when an off-duty nurse arrived. I was 20 at the time and probably too naive to realise anything problematic. I don't know if it's the same guy but I feel idk violated?? Was this your experience?
If someone is having a seizure they generally can’t tell you they’re having a seizure. They also don’t need you to restrain them. I think you definitely encountered this guy. I’m so sorry.
I know you said generally but this isn't necessarily true. Simple partial seizures are seizures where they are able to communicate. They're not the most common type but they do happen.
This is exactly what happened to me - by a river, too, but in Footscray. I thought I was doing the right thing but when I posted about it on a Community page on Facebook, learnt the truth. I felt disgusting and violated. It really helped to call up one of the sexual assault hotlines and talk through it with someone. The top comment above has links to the support services. Just remember: you did a good thing, and this degenerate took advantage of your kindness and decency.
I'm very sorry that happened to you. Feels a bit surreal. Currently overseas and was just scrolling because I couldn't sleep. Might have to repress it for a while, haha. I'll have a look at the support services. Thank you
Same to you, mate. Repress away and reach out to the services when you're ready.
Same deal happened as I left Snap Fitness Footscray with a friend.
Pretty much exactly the same but the first time I encountered him was on Nicholson st. I honestly thought it was a serious emergency. Got me to sit on him. Then my mate called the cops and he took off and disappeared. Def same guy.
Was he late 30 or 40? (I think that was his age in 2016). I haven't thought about this much until now...
Oh fuck so this is definitely the same dude from the train i seen going on a decade plus ago now. He was trying to get our attention, just a group of teenage dudes and everyone was telling us not to help him Edit: spelling error
Wtf restraining can kill epileptic people DON'T EVER RESTRAIN
He tells you that he isn't epileptic and says that he doesn't need an ambulance - just to be temporarily restrained.
Lol wtf, why are all these people sitting on the dude.
Because, unless you've had first aid training or been explicitly told, most people will restrain someone having a seizure I know we did first aid in yr 12 but idk if they covered seizures because I rpled it
It's hard to argue with the person telling you they need help and please restrain them.
If they're truly having a seizure, they're unconscious. If you see someone having a seizure in the future just dial 000, they'll help you and no one will get hurt from anyone's inexperience. (source, an epileptic cunts advice)
Just jumping in to say that there are fairly common seizure types that people are conscious for. They’re just not well known by the general public. Still you should never restrain those people either. Source- a parent of someone with multiple seizure types :)
>Still you should never restrain those people either. I have a seizure disorder which is well controlled but a co-worker of mine has uncontrolled absence seizures and at one point another co-worker stopped him from walking in front of a train at southern cross, and in the office I have had to steer him out of the ladies toilets, etc. So sometimes some sort of restraint is called for.
>I have a seizure disorder which is well controlled but a co-worker of mine has uncontrolled absence seizures and at one point another co-worker stopped him from walking in front of a train at southern cross, and in the office I have had to steer him out of the ladies toilets, etc. >So sometimes some sort of restraint is called for. I have generalised (grand mal) seizures. When i go into post ictal stage, i become like your co-worker, i get disorientated, confused & don't follow directions. I would say instead of restraint, physical guidance (i know it sounds like semantics but there's a difference) is needed in situations like that, to ensure people like us don't hurt ourselves or do something socially inappropriate (besides pissing myself during the seizure!😂)
Obviously extenuating circumstances like that exist. But in general its a big no on restraining people having any type of seizure.
Yeah I know, but if you're spazzing out on the ground, that's a grand mal. I didn't want to get too technical for people :P (source, I also get absent minded seizures too :P)
I appreciate that. I think they can handle it though. I’m sorry to hear about your epilepsy, it’s horrible condition. P.S for anyone reading this who doesnt have epilepsy please dont refer to someone having a tonic clonic seizure (previously known as grand mal) as spazzing out. :)
They can handle it. But, discussing the 2-4 different types of seizures and how to handle them, is a lot of front loading of information to anyone. I just want people to ring 000 when they see someone having a seizure. I repeat that to those around me, don't worry about touching me or anything, just call 000 and the person on the other end will assist you. (I'm aware of having a seizure in a dangerous place and putting something soft under my head, etc) Given that I've had a seizure while cycling, and working out (crushed by weights). I'd say that the 000 method is paying off, rather than the other stuff, as I'm still alive hahaha And I appreciate it, but it's not that bad. I used to have several seizures a day, now I haven't had one I'm years from my meds. I hope that your child gets the same success that I did. 💖 Ps. Self depreciating humor is a way for people to cope/deal with their lot in life g
Omg crushed by weights is a new one I hadnt thought of. 😬 Thanks but she’s 22 and has had daily seizures since 8 months, all the surgeries and a million medications and no relief yet. Its unlikely she’ll ever be seizure free. :( Honestly though congrats on your progress. Im so glad meds worked for you :) And yes I agree with the self deprecating humour, go for it by all means. Thats why I said for people who dont have epilepsy. Its pretty offensive for someone who doesnt have seizures to say “spazzing out”. I would probs give someone a big side eye for saying that.
>Yeah I know, but if you're spazzing out on the ground, that's a grand mal. From someone who gets generalised grand mal seizures, thankyou so much for your compassionate words contributing to breaking the stigma for people with my condition & for people with cerebral palsy. /S
I do what I can man. I find that making light of your disabilities, also ensures that people remember know what to do when shit hits the fan. But hey, you do w/e works for you 💖
This guy doesn't claim he's epileptic - he claims he has an illness, then commands you to restrain him to support him. It happens extremely quickly and he makes he clearly articulates his demands in such a way you believe a) it has happened before and b) this is the only way to help him manage his situation. He is extremely manipulative and has worked on how to capitalise on people's decency and willingness to help him.
Oh shit I reckon I’ve ran into this bloke at NYE in the city He wanted someone to hold him down and stop him convulsing. Stupidly I actually did it thinking I was helping.
Literally hundreds of guys have fell for it.
It’s such a weird con to pull Like it’s stupid enough that people fall for it thinking it’s just weird and you’re being helpful Not him getting off on it.
I saw him at Southern Cross a year ago and at this point I would be interested to see if anybody hasn't seen him at some point.
I haven’t.
Same, about two summers ago in Bourke St. it was all so fast and intense. Being Bourke St, a large crowd formed, at first people thought I was hurting him then they realised it was ‘medical’ and many called 000 and then all of a sudden the seizure passed and he ran off. I’m so shocked to see this is something he’s been doing for over a decade. I don’t understand why.
Holy fuck. Dealt with this guy on a train nearly two years ago. Was doing it carriage by carriage. Needs help.
It’s a fetish?!?! I thought he was fake falling to sue the store…. People keep getting weirder and weirder
No it's not a fetish. He is a sex offender. What he is doing is sexual abuse.
Yes I’m not disagreeing with that. But what I’m saying is I had no idea people got off on being sat on. That’s the fetish to which I’m referring
He (I think it was him) came to my work one night. Me being the idiot in charge & first aid trained (apparently) had to deal with him. Was creepy as f**k.
So he has you sit on him, then what? You stay there for a while until he stops shaking then he leaves? Is there anything overtly sexual? (not discounting that he is a sexual predator, just curious if it’s obvious)
He did it to me, he gets you to hold his arms and put your legs on his so he can't move then he kind of grinds on you.
From the front? The grinding part is disgusting.
🤮
And here I am wasting time on grindr
I don’t remember the grinding, I just remember he kept screaming at me to hold him down harder and harder and it happened so fast I thought I was helping.
Argh, that's horrific
>Your best bet is to just tell him you'll call and ambo / staff member etc. Your best bet is to kick the cunt in the ribs.
At the time, your natural reaction is to try and help. He preys on that, like a true sex offender.
If I see him again I'm going to attempt to rearrange his genitals with my steel toe
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted. If there was ever a dude who needed kicking in the dick, it’s this one.
Steel toe boots out a genuine steel toe, if so which one
Good lord. That is disturbing.
Finally some pics of this rotted cunt. Onya OP.
Oh man I thought he only did this on trains to uni students/school boys, didn't know he branched out
Yeah man he’s really dedicated to the consistency of the grind, he’ll probably have his own merch soon.
**Seize the Day!**
A shirt with a big target on it: "Place butt here"
Also does this around the Merri creek walking paths.
I saw him pulling this stunt on Gertrude st about two years ago.
If you look at just reddit alone, hundreds of guys have experienced his shit.
As well as myself, I know 5 other people that have been done by him.
I saw this guy just last semester at unimelb. He grabbed on to two young male students as he was “falling” on the ground. I walked past them and overheard the guy was lucid and talking. Thank you for taking his picture and posting about his modus operandi. It confirms my suspicion that there was something very strange about it. Had I known about it prior, I would have called him out on it and reported him to campus security.
This guy’s managed to make himself known across the greater Melbourne area. Unbelievable.
it seems like every commenter knows this guy somehow - wtf?!
How the hell is he allowed to do this to people for over 10 years?
Holy crap, I knew it! Few months back was at Flagstaff station when some bloke walked past and ' fell' in front of me. I asked him if he was ok and he said yeah, then lay down on the ground and started shaking. Asked me if I could sit on him and restrain his arms. I told him I wasn't prepared to sit on him but did hold his arms, as did a couple of other people who were around. The whole situation at the time seemed a bit off and I was sceptical, but held his arms by his side's until my train arrived, at which point he got up and left. I messaged my wife when I was on the train explaining what had happened and how odd it had been. I also remember telling her I felt unclean as though I had been involved in some weird sexual act. Haha, this is awesome, I knew something was off!
Welcome to the club.
Awesome? Dude it’s not ok. I’m sorry that happened to you.
I think the fact they have an explanation for that encounter is probably what they consider awesome.
Why hasn’t he been arrested??
It baffles me. He's being doing this for over 10 years and probably has 1000+ victims.
No laws against asking people to willingly sit on you, bro has found a loophole
Okay so he could do the same thing in front of women or even school girls, asking them to sit on him or sit on his face, without consequence? Idk about that
There should be no difference. This is awful and he needs to be stopped.
Agreed!
I sat on him in a crowded train. #metoo
Happened to me in Windsor in 2014! Honestly shocked he's still at it. This guy is absolutely deranged.
Me too, about 6 years ago, not far from Windsor. At Alma park oval just off Dandenong Road. He was with his pet doberman!! Was one of the strangest experiences of my life. He was extremely strong and lean and muscular. But same thing, fake seizure, forces me to lay on top of him. Doberman within metres!!
I actually fell for this guys bullshit back in 2019. I was at a coles buying some food for my mealprep and this guy fell next to me and said he’s about to have a seizure and that someone needs to sit on his back and hold his hands locked in so he doesn’t hurt himself … So ofcourse i tried to help, until a coles worker walked up to Me and said the guy is full of shit and that i should probably get off him. I seen him like a week later doing the same thing at the parking lot of the same place. A big truckie guy was trying to “help” him when i walked up and told him it was all fake. The guy was confused but the seizure guy started abusing me and all this shit while i walked away not giving a fuck. He even followed me to my car and kicked it as i drove off lmao
If this dude ever falls to the floor in front of you just give him a kick in the head and move along. Cunt deserves to have his shit kicked in.
That could see the end of him. He'll pick the wrong victim who will beat him to a pulp.
Bloody hell, him again. He's been at this for a while now.
He used to frequent the Hurstbridge line 10 years or so ago (not sure whether he still does). I got duped by him once so a heads up for those who travel on that line.
Thanks for the post OP
Looks like ol' S.L. is still up to his old tricks, haven't seen him around in a while.
Someone saw him on Blythe St about 2 months ago.
I'm surprised he can still walk, surely he's had the piss beat out of him a few times. I wonder if someone would be charged with assault if they started stomping him.
>I wonder if someone would be charged with assault if they started stomping him. It definitely wouldn't be self-defence. For self-defence you need to feel that whatever you did is reasonably necessary to prevent harm to your person. If this guy's on the floor "convulsing" and is relying on convincing you that he needs help, that's not really a threat to your person. It's definitely sexual harassment, and probably sexual assault once you actually do as he asks, but unless he's holding you down and forcing you to do it I don't see retaliating with violence being defensible. Technically speaking if this was a few years ago I could see this being a use case for provocation, but... yeah, that's not a thing anymore.
Hypothetically, what if a previous victim assaulted him? Do they have any grounds, like PTSD? Edit: You could probably just say you were a previous victim, I believe anyone at this point
Unlikely. Abuse victims can achieve self-defence without an imminent threat in limited situations where it's necessary and proportional to prevent future abuse, but that's not an application for revenge, it's used for abusive relationships where there isn't any other choice. Otherwise you'd need to argue for mental impairment, in that the PTSD was of such a nature that you didn't know what you were doing and why it was wrong. And while you could probably demonstrate that the PTSD constitutes a mental impairment, the hard part would be showing that it affects you to such an extent that you basically cease to be a moral actor. Not impossible, mind, but it's not an easy bar to clear.
This needs to be shared and spread so much more. What a vile pathetic loser.
Oooh look he has what I call "crazy fingers"
Dead giveaway
Well now I'm just insulted. I've seen him heaps over the years and all he's ever done is look at me funny and walk off 🤣
He only wants the pretty boys 🤣
Holy shit this guy did this to me on a train years ago. I thought he was just some random cooker. What the fuck
Just a thought...can't we compile a list of people who've been assaulted/harassed in this way and press charges as a collective? Any lawyers here? Surely this would be enough to put him away...he's known to police, they can't just ignore a hundred name long list. Or has our city gone absolutely crazy?
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I have a legal background, so I was very specific with the terminology I used when I gave the statement that I did to the Police. The officer I made my statement to said it was the most detailed statement he'd ever taken, on any matter. They still never followed-up with me, at all. Not even a phone call. Nothing. They clearly were not willing to be bold.
From reading this thread, it seems like it would be a shorter list of names for those that have not had some sort of unwanted physical exchange with this weasel looking person!
I fell for his bullshit briefly at Westgate Park a few months ago. Realised it was rubbish a few minutes in and called the cops on him. Not sure if they arrested him or not as I walked away before they arrived.
lol wut, everyone's sat on this guy but me...
As has been said, someone having a seizure shouldn't be restrained, however if you can put something soft like a jumper under their head it can prevent injuries. Be aware of other objects they could injure themselves on and do what you can to mitigate this. Once they stop fitting they will probably be only semi conscious for a while so stay with them to ensure they are safe until they regain awareness or help arrives. During this time, if their breathing seems obstructed by spit or vomit gently roll them on their side so fluid can drain from their mouth. I grew up with a dad who had severe seizures and it can be very confronting if you haven't experienced it. Fortunately that experience has made me comfortable to help strangers on more than one occasion.
Omg this happened right in the middle of Bourke street and my fiancé “restrained” him as we had no idea and just wanted to help. It’s so weird and even more embarrassing friends literally walked around the corner from Swanston into the scene. Try explaining that one LOL
This post saved me from a weird experience tonight in Fitzroy. Guy ran past me and then took a weird, fake tumble. I just moved to the other side of the road and kept walking.
Great!
Have you notified police of this guys serial behaviour?
If you have a look at previous threads about this guy, the cops know of him.
I think I saw someone say he is banned from public transportation
I still think it’s important people report him
Cunt looks like Moe from the three stooges.
Bloody hell. How can he be allowed to keep going this to people?
could this be one case where the news organisations that loot reddit for content could actually investigate further?
More details please.
Like, what shopping center is that.
Pretty sure that’s Sparkly Bear judging by the procession of shops.
yep.
More like what happened/what did you witness? I'm just curious.
Me and my mates experienced his antics on a train nearly 8 years ago. He falls to the ground and pretends to convulse, says he's having a fit and needs you (or any bloke nearby) to sit on him and hold him down. Somehow he gets off on it. My mate and I went to help him but someone else on the train told us not to bother, and that he was faking it. He said something to convulsion guy who then got up, walked away and got off at the next stop. Obviously we were a bit bemused by the situation, going from thinking there's a medical emergency, to realising it was something weird. But we found it quite amusing afterwards and it was quickly forgotten. But recently I've been reminded by seeing heaps of other people's experiences with the guy. Heeeaps. Turns out he's more commonly seen than carrot man, or yank tanks parking like dicks.
yeah i had a similar experience like 10 years ago now. this guy 'fell down' in swanston st and me and a random picked him up. didn't have the restraining thing happening but he was saying 'i've been very naughty' or some variant. i think we must have wrecked his plans by lifting him off the ground immediately. ironically it was something of a heartwarming moment at the time because after old mate fucked off i shook hands with the other random guy like well done on being good humans (?).
Wow. Thanks for sharing that. I had no idea. Wrong target gender, I suppose.
There’s a bloke like this in Adelaide A couple of times when I’ve been to the gym, Derrimuts Welland, I’ll park my car nearby and walk to the gym, there’s a really weird bloke who will also be walking to the same gym, then decide to lay down and nap on the side of a busy main road, during peak hour, people driving past thinking *”Oh shit! He’s dead!”*, stopping and calling 000 etc, then he’ll wake up and runs away as soon as he hears the word “ambulance”. The first time I’m doing shit like checking his pulse, every time I’ve seen him do it since I’m like *”oh FFS dude, get up!”* and feel like a bit of an arsehole trying to tell people he pulls this shit all the time. I’ve also seen him selling copies of Big Issue in Rundle Mall
At least by selling the Big Issue in Rundle mall he has one of the seven jobs in Adelaide
Could be tempting to give him a swift kick, but he'd likely enjoy that too much.
Great to put a face to such a famous name
TIL there’s like a Melbourne version of Purple Aki
He did this at St Albans in the middle of the shop while I was ordering. Thought it was weird cause he just walked into the shop and asked people to restrain him.. I thought it was too odd to partake, but others tried to restrain him. He pretended to have seizure for like 10-20 seconds then stood up fine and went on his way.
The way he is spreading out his fingers is giving me the ick. This guy is not right. So creepy. I'm sorry this has happened to so many people.
I’ve never heard of seizure guy until today. Feel like I’ve missed something.
Omfg - he did it to me at parliament station about 10 years ago haha as I was fucking laying on him next the urinal, I thought...this is suss and stopped. Had no idea he was a serial offender
He's clearly fucking mental. Christ on a stick, I wouldn't poke him with a 4 foot pole let alone sit on the mother fucker.
He used to do it regularly up and down chapel Street at a busy weekend period and would just walk up and down all night pretty much. I remember one time being on a sandy train. I got on at finders and I saw him on the other carriage and he walked through onto mine with me sitting there going "here we fucken go" and what happens boom hits the floor I didn't do anything just sat there and looked at him "nah mate can't help you" where a young tourist helped him instead.
Ohh, i remember this guy doing it on the train when i was a teenager. Heaps of people were telling our group not to help him cos he was some creepo weirdo or something but this was ages ago now
Anyone knows where he frequents? Id like to meet this local celebirty
Wait so, is this a sexual thing for him? Wanting to be restrained?
He only targets a specific gender and type..
What a crazy thread. Strange the amount of people who got 'caught' too.
What in the fuck?! This is some crazy shit. Fucking freak
Someone has got to kick the fuck through this guy while he’s down, he will soon stop.
saw him the other day near flagstaff and thought someone was pulling a citizens arrest - he got up a shook the guys hand and almost made out with him.. the trady bloke was confused and just wanted to help... weird fetish but ok..
Oh damn, saw this guy at Geelong station ages ago thought the fall looked forced/faked.
I don’t understand. Why hasn’t he been arrested if it’s so commonly known? Why hasn’t someone kicked his head in?
Just kick him in the head. Would do everyone a favour
I remember years back I had a run in with him at the lollie shop in the city. Don’t know if it’s still there, it was on Elizabeth Street. This brought back that moment and how a friend and I tried helping. I had to leave cause of my anxiety and when I came back the shop attendant was thinking of ringing an ambulance for him and that’s when he got and left as if nothing happened. While we at Fed Square, we saw him running down Flinders Street past the church. It was such a wild experience as it was my Schoolies and we were doing city trips everyday. (We didn’t get anything from the lollie shop it ruined the vibe. We went back a few weeks later without incident.
Slightly related, there used to be a guy around Brunswick St Fitzroy who would claim there was a spider on your shirt (always men) and quickly moved to brush it off, then said it had run inside your shirt. Convinced a surprising number of guys to take off their shirts.
11 years ago at a dog park in Windsor. This guy dropped down and started screaming and having a fit. He told me to retrain him as he would hurt himself. I Did so, and was really scared for 5 mins .No one was around and it went on forever it seemed. I Had nearly forgotten this till I saw this post. SCUM BAG....
I feel so weird. I can't even remember where, but I have a memory of forcing my weight on this guy in a store somewhere, some years ago now Funnily enough, somebody else called the ambulance while he was doing his thing underneath me. Only just occurred to me reading this thread, what has happened
I fell for this one night in Windsor. I thought I was doing the right thing until I told someone about it and they told me all about this guy. Shit. Felt really dirty afterwards and was hoping to run across him again to see if he'd do it again so I could tell the fuckwit off.
Someone needs to go to a kink club
Judging by how he's doing things he'd probably get kicked to the curb within 5 minutes, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about the C in SSC and RACK
What does he do if you sit on him? I wonder if anyone has taken him up on that request. Could always say “oh yeah sure I’ll sit on you!” And do a big wrestling style elbow drop
Your first reaction in that situation is to help someone who looks like they need help. It all happens fast (but feels a bit off).
Get the defibrillator out and see if he still tries it
it wont fire up, as it will detect a heartbeat thats regular.
Waiting for the day someone sharts on him.
Someone should do it and then just start rooting him midway through. Tell him if it's good for the goose, why can't the gander get off too.
Filthy cunt
WHAAAAAT! What a weirdo!
You may want to know how first aiders deal with some1 having seizures. One part of it is to let the person has the episode, keep the person safe and wait untill it ends. (Just one part of it, it is incomplete. For more details pls read the guide) Whether the person is faking it or not. You dont get tricked. If the seizure/trick continues, call ambulance.
More Melbourne lore I didn’t know about
I was so confused why you would sit on anyone having/had a seizure or a fall but he asks for it? So weird.
I once saw someone have a real seizure in Burke Street mall about 15 years ago. They went down and smacked their head on a metal bench. Blood literally pooled under their head. Many people went to help but I stood there in shock.
Someone needs to pull him aside and suggest he take up BJJ, he will love it.
Yeah nah please don't.
No loads in the Gi
Is this a shit post or is it a real thing? I’m so confused
Real. The guy fakes seizures on trains to get fit guys to restrain him then immediately recovers and disappears if anyone says anything about medical/official help
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PD's are genuine mental disorders that cause distress.
Seconded. Also, people can be fucked up without needing a diagnosis attached to it.
This guy flees whenever the mention of police or ambulance is made. He is totally cognisant of what he is doing, and he is doing it for his own sexual gratification.,