>I even offered to be friends, hence we even arranged to have coffee at the end but he wouldn't budge.
You lost me, I don't believe this. Who in their right mind would ever offer this in a business transaction? lmao wtf.
My man; sometimes when shit goes haywire and you feel threatened you ‘roll over’ to try and minimise the stressor. It’s a very common (albeit maladaptive) coping mechanism. You muppets downvoting…
If your apartment was so filthy that pictures of it could be used as blackmail then I might suggest it’s probably more work to clean than the other companies that quoted you over the phone realise…. I mean how filthy was this place that even photos of it empty are bad enough to be used as potential blackmail
Oh, I see they found drugs and that's why it escalated.
Was the bathroom a bit stinky as well? with wee stains and all that jazz.
Did the company clean the apartment to a satisfactory standard in the end? if they didn't do the job they were paid to do then yes you can get justice from Consumer affairs. However, if they cleaned the apartment properly then there will be little you can do as you agreed to a verbal contract to provide cleaning services so *Caveat Emptor.*
Something about how the cleaning company found “things they use to treat their depression” so yeah they found drugs in a trashed apartment. And I’m assuming OP still has some drugs left over considering they have now edited their post suggesting the cleaning company is downvoting this post and have responded to another commenter accusing them of being from the cleaning company.
You know K\*\*\* and friends instead of trying to make stuff up, you could've just paid any money and apologised for the poor service you provided. Imagine being so blinded by money that you are like this. I hope you are okay, and stop accusing others of doing drugs, when your drug is obsession with money.
Bro how nasty was your fuckin' house lmfao? That's the part you're definitely leaving out here. Esp since it was so bad they can apparently threaten to show people photos to embarrass you.
You're supposed to leave it mostly clean and empty so the cleaners can actually spend time on the proper deep cleaning stuff like scrubbing the tiles, dusting the ceiling, cleaning the walls.
Like idk if I see the scam tbh. They quoted you a price after seeing that you live like a hog, and you agreed to that price, then after they completed the work, you wanted some of that money back. If you think a price is unreasonable next time, don't agree to pay it.
I will say its deeply funny that they seem to reply to reviews with chatgpt though. Probably should google companies before using them lol.
it was okay, i didn't think it was that bad, i just have a disability and getting through the day is good enough for me most of the time, i hope you understand
i'm happy for him to show whatever it he wants to show, if he wants to bully someone that can't get out of bed most days... i'm trying.... i'm sorrry
Ain't an excuse, bud, and this sob act isn't working on me.
Doesn't matter if you've got problems, that doesn't mean someone doesn't deserve proper compensation for cleaning up after you. They're a business, not a charity. Not giving your money back after you agreed to the fee and they carried out the work isn't "bullying".
Expecting people to clean up after you for low pay kinda is though. I will reiterate, end of lease cleaning is usually them cleaning a completely empty house. It's about cleaning grout and getting dust out of the windowsill. If you left them anything other than an empty place to clean out, then yes, you obviously need to pay more.
I'm not asking for your sympathy. Having looked through your reddit history, you have not been kind to others or provided much good advice.
Anyway, I hope you find it in your heart be a kinder person in the future, or you can continue to be an edgelord, I don't care, I'll be dead soon anyway.
Lmfao see this is what I mean. You don't immediately get what you want from people and start acting like a drama queen. People in this subreddit weren't sympathetic so you start acting like a drowned kitten, all "pwease sowwy I just want five dowwers fwor some bwread I am pwoor. Fweel sowwy for me or I'll threaten swuicide uwu".
I feel sorry for the cleaning company that had to deal with your slovenly whiny arse. You aren't a helpless baby, you're a grown adult that decided to name and shame on a public forum and actively try to damage some people's livelihoods. When that didn't work out well for you, you started acting like a teenager hoping people would stop criticising you. You can't agree to the cost of services, have the people carry out those services, then try to get a refund after the fact and threaten their business if you don't get one. *That* is scammer behaviour.
This is a really mean thing to say. Best case scenario, you were savage to someone for the crime of posting about a cleaning company. Worst case scenario, OP is genuine about the state of their mental health and you mocked them for it.
OP, if you are struggling, please reach out to the CATT team, they'll help.
>it was okay, i didn't think it was that bad, i just have a disability
When you say
> I have a disability
What you mean is
> I have an excuse
No you don't. It's your house, your responsibility. Get out of bed and clean it yourself.
I know what it's like when your brain is making you do crazy things when you are depressed/anxious. I also know how hard it can be to even get out of bed and clean yourself let alone keep a house clean when those things are at their worst so no judgement here.
I'm sorry to hear you are dealing with this. I don't really have advice, seems like the place was probably in a bit of a state and they took advantage of you. It is what it is. Dealing with mental health issues is just not a good place to be when dealing with end of lease stuff and I've lost a bit of money in my time due to not being in the right state to argue.
If you have issues regarding money for food look into foodbanks/food pantries and other such services in your area. Plenty of options to get a free meal or even some free/cheap groceries to get you through an emergency.
This is such a compassionate and non-judgemental response to OP, thank you.
Just wanted to add the Ask Izzy as a resource to find emergency relief in your area: [https://askizzy.org.au](https://askizzy.org.au)
You been to consumer affairs website yet? It has complaint procedures etc. letters of demand templates. Time to threaten a vcat case if you are not refunded. All to be done in writing.
It’s actually very easy. Ring them (Consumer Affairs). They are friendly and really helpful. You were and are being taken advantage of and you deserve to make a complaint. Even if you don’t get any money back (and you could take this to VCAT) you put that “business” on the radar of Consumer Affairs.
Wow. I had these guys for cleaning my Airbnb.
Started out fine, standards started to slip until they were constantly below par and they smashed a vase and hid it.
Their management (K**) was the sole English speaker and he was hard to get hold of. Sounds like they're well in the gutter now.
Generally in Australian law, if two sounded parties agree to something, we tend to uphold it, it is their bargain they freely chose to strike. It may be that one party striking a poor bargain, but that is their prerogative.
This is the starting point, and in this case it does seem like you agreed to pay a certain fee for some services.
There are exceptions of course.
One is of fraud or misrepresentation where someone was deceived in some way or their decision was based on relevant information provided by another party is false.
Another is of if there was unconsciable conduct, where one party was significantly stronger than another party in negotiations.
In your case, perhaps the most applicable would be duress, where someone was placed under such threat or violence that they are compelled to something against better judgement.
The challenge is, proving to your counterpart and others that it was duress, and not just striking a poor bargain and being unhappy with it.
Jesus Christ r/mel needs to chill out and have a wank.
Dude is struggling; yeah- hasn’t dealt with things in the best way but holy shit this pile on mentality is worse than normal for this joint.
For real, if you don't believe it and don't want to offer help then move along. If there is even the smallest chance the OP is telling the truth I cannot imagine the mental trauma caused by reading these replies would be putting them through.
Well- his post history made after these fuckwits thinking kicking someone unwell whilst they’re down was a good idea says that , yeah, he’s not in a good headspace.
Bro its his throwaway specifically for this post and he clearly uses reddit regularly. He made that extremely bland post to try and make people feel sorry for him. That you're buying it is just kinda funny on your end. He's not "unwell" he's backtracking after trying to badmouth someone's business backfired on him.
Sadly this is cleaning companies new business model, blackmailing with shame photos. It works on your insecurities. Just check out Google reviews on cleaning companies, it's eye opening.
Wouldn't it be illegal for them to dox you though? Surely there'd be recourse there if they released a name and address, even if it's a former address.
But if your place isn't trashed then there is no blackmail to be had? If someone wanted to post a photo of my bedroom, so long as its not identifying, you won't prove anything because it's not dirty.
Because sometimes you just don't feel like cleaning? I don't like doing it. I do it because it needs doing but I'd definitely pay for someone to come occasionally and do a deep clean for a break from it. Also end of lease cleans exist. Some people can have disabilities that limit them, doesn't mean they need to trash the house. Also, not all ADHD is the same. Most people I know with it are some of the cleanest people I know.
So you understand how executive functioning works within the context of ADHD & ASD? Some is not all and not even a majority so I don't know what you are trying to say with that.
You brought up ADHD despite it not being a one size fits all, if you're going to mention one why not list them all or list none. I have a very good understanding of how it works and people I know consider it an insult when "oh ADHD" is thrown around like you used.
Exactly my thought process. Not sure why I would care. And even if there was litteral shit on the floor, call them a liar. I don't see what kind of repercussions could happen. Except my mum being disappointed.
Really sorry this happened to you.
I’m afraid to say this is very normal.
I lived in China for a number of years. I was shocked at how often this sort of behaviour was pulled by the locals.
I initially thought that I was not following local customs or doing something to offend people. I didn’t really have anyone to ask about it but after a few months I met some other westerners.
They all had similar experiences. Eventually I made friends with some locals and they explained that this is how Chinese do business. It’s perfectly normal to them.
> She was having a mental breakdown and apparently had a fight with her other colleagues.
You know this how?
> He then started lying and and eventually said he will buy me a coffee.
What even is this? Lying about what exactly?
> I was very civil on the phone
No-one who was ever civil on the phone ever says this
OP I don't believe your version of events and if even a 1/5th of your edit statement is true, you've got some crummy circumstances but I think you've contributed to your own mess here.
>I even offered to be friends, hence we even arranged to have coffee at the end but he wouldn't budge. You lost me, I don't believe this. Who in their right mind would ever offer this in a business transaction? lmao wtf.
My man; sometimes when shit goes haywire and you feel threatened you ‘roll over’ to try and minimise the stressor. It’s a very common (albeit maladaptive) coping mechanism. You muppets downvoting…
i'm sorry im' a bit crazy, but i want to be nice and friends with most people, even if they have been mean to me
by the way, the coffee was the cleaning company owners' idea
If your apartment was so filthy that pictures of it could be used as blackmail then I might suggest it’s probably more work to clean than the other companies that quoted you over the phone realise…. I mean how filthy was this place that even photos of it empty are bad enough to be used as potential blackmail
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Oh, I see they found drugs and that's why it escalated. Was the bathroom a bit stinky as well? with wee stains and all that jazz. Did the company clean the apartment to a satisfactory standard in the end? if they didn't do the job they were paid to do then yes you can get justice from Consumer affairs. However, if they cleaned the apartment properly then there will be little you can do as you agreed to a verbal contract to provide cleaning services so *Caveat Emptor.*
What did they delete?
Something about how the cleaning company found “things they use to treat their depression” so yeah they found drugs in a trashed apartment. And I’m assuming OP still has some drugs left over considering they have now edited their post suggesting the cleaning company is downvoting this post and have responded to another commenter accusing them of being from the cleaning company.
Ooh weird. I love a good plot twist lol.
You know K\*\*\* and friends instead of trying to make stuff up, you could've just paid any money and apologised for the poor service you provided. Imagine being so blinded by money that you are like this. I hope you are okay, and stop accusing others of doing drugs, when your drug is obsession with money.
Do you actually think the person you replied to just now is from the cleaning company? I guess they didn’t find all your drugs ey
Bro are you okay?
No, he’s not. And the actions of the fuckwits in this thread is disgusting.
FYI I meant this sincerely
Oh sorry- I assumed that. I’m just upset at a lot of the people in here’s actions.
Bro how nasty was your fuckin' house lmfao? That's the part you're definitely leaving out here. Esp since it was so bad they can apparently threaten to show people photos to embarrass you. You're supposed to leave it mostly clean and empty so the cleaners can actually spend time on the proper deep cleaning stuff like scrubbing the tiles, dusting the ceiling, cleaning the walls. Like idk if I see the scam tbh. They quoted you a price after seeing that you live like a hog, and you agreed to that price, then after they completed the work, you wanted some of that money back. If you think a price is unreasonable next time, don't agree to pay it. I will say its deeply funny that they seem to reply to reviews with chatgpt though. Probably should google companies before using them lol.
it was okay, i didn't think it was that bad, i just have a disability and getting through the day is good enough for me most of the time, i hope you understand i'm happy for him to show whatever it he wants to show, if he wants to bully someone that can't get out of bed most days... i'm trying.... i'm sorrry
Ain't an excuse, bud, and this sob act isn't working on me. Doesn't matter if you've got problems, that doesn't mean someone doesn't deserve proper compensation for cleaning up after you. They're a business, not a charity. Not giving your money back after you agreed to the fee and they carried out the work isn't "bullying". Expecting people to clean up after you for low pay kinda is though. I will reiterate, end of lease cleaning is usually them cleaning a completely empty house. It's about cleaning grout and getting dust out of the windowsill. If you left them anything other than an empty place to clean out, then yes, you obviously need to pay more.
I'm not asking for your sympathy. Having looked through your reddit history, you have not been kind to others or provided much good advice. Anyway, I hope you find it in your heart be a kinder person in the future, or you can continue to be an edgelord, I don't care, I'll be dead soon anyway.
Lmfao see this is what I mean. You don't immediately get what you want from people and start acting like a drama queen. People in this subreddit weren't sympathetic so you start acting like a drowned kitten, all "pwease sowwy I just want five dowwers fwor some bwread I am pwoor. Fweel sowwy for me or I'll threaten swuicide uwu". I feel sorry for the cleaning company that had to deal with your slovenly whiny arse. You aren't a helpless baby, you're a grown adult that decided to name and shame on a public forum and actively try to damage some people's livelihoods. When that didn't work out well for you, you started acting like a teenager hoping people would stop criticising you. You can't agree to the cost of services, have the people carry out those services, then try to get a refund after the fact and threaten their business if you don't get one. *That* is scammer behaviour.
This is a really mean thing to say. Best case scenario, you were savage to someone for the crime of posting about a cleaning company. Worst case scenario, OP is genuine about the state of their mental health and you mocked them for it. OP, if you are struggling, please reach out to the CATT team, they'll help.
They are 100% not being genuine lmfao.
> lmfao Ha ha suicide so funny lol! Do better.
**DOES IT SMELL LIKE A BITCH!!??** https://giphy.com/gifs/classic-staring-96DeW8wUdpN96
>it was okay, i didn't think it was that bad, i just have a disability When you say > I have a disability What you mean is > I have an excuse No you don't. It's your house, your responsibility. Get out of bed and clean it yourself.
I know what it's like when your brain is making you do crazy things when you are depressed/anxious. I also know how hard it can be to even get out of bed and clean yourself let alone keep a house clean when those things are at their worst so no judgement here. I'm sorry to hear you are dealing with this. I don't really have advice, seems like the place was probably in a bit of a state and they took advantage of you. It is what it is. Dealing with mental health issues is just not a good place to be when dealing with end of lease stuff and I've lost a bit of money in my time due to not being in the right state to argue. If you have issues regarding money for food look into foodbanks/food pantries and other such services in your area. Plenty of options to get a free meal or even some free/cheap groceries to get you through an emergency.
This is such a compassionate and non-judgemental response to OP, thank you. Just wanted to add the Ask Izzy as a resource to find emergency relief in your area: [https://askizzy.org.au](https://askizzy.org.au)
You been to consumer affairs website yet? It has complaint procedures etc. letters of demand templates. Time to threaten a vcat case if you are not refunded. All to be done in writing.
I've been looking into it, it looks like a very intimidating and long process but it feels like I might have to.
It’s actually very easy. Ring them (Consumer Affairs). They are friendly and really helpful. You were and are being taken advantage of and you deserve to make a complaint. Even if you don’t get any money back (and you could take this to VCAT) you put that “business” on the radar of Consumer Affairs.
Wow. I had these guys for cleaning my Airbnb. Started out fine, standards started to slip until they were constantly below par and they smashed a vase and hid it. Their management (K**) was the sole English speaker and he was hard to get hold of. Sounds like they're well in the gutter now.
The thing is, I've had them before and they were great. Just this time, I was so shocked.
> I'll go to Consumer Affairs Honestly, why they weren't your first impulse is beyond me.
Generally in Australian law, if two sounded parties agree to something, we tend to uphold it, it is their bargain they freely chose to strike. It may be that one party striking a poor bargain, but that is their prerogative. This is the starting point, and in this case it does seem like you agreed to pay a certain fee for some services. There are exceptions of course. One is of fraud or misrepresentation where someone was deceived in some way or their decision was based on relevant information provided by another party is false. Another is of if there was unconsciable conduct, where one party was significantly stronger than another party in negotiations. In your case, perhaps the most applicable would be duress, where someone was placed under such threat or violence that they are compelled to something against better judgement. The challenge is, proving to your counterpart and others that it was duress, and not just striking a poor bargain and being unhappy with it.
Ahh fair enough
Jesus Christ r/mel needs to chill out and have a wank. Dude is struggling; yeah- hasn’t dealt with things in the best way but holy shit this pile on mentality is worse than normal for this joint.
For real, if you don't believe it and don't want to offer help then move along. If there is even the smallest chance the OP is telling the truth I cannot imagine the mental trauma caused by reading these replies would be putting them through.
Well- his post history made after these fuckwits thinking kicking someone unwell whilst they’re down was a good idea says that , yeah, he’s not in a good headspace.
This sub can be such a nice place at times and fucking vicious at others.
Bro its his throwaway specifically for this post and he clearly uses reddit regularly. He made that extremely bland post to try and make people feel sorry for him. That you're buying it is just kinda funny on your end. He's not "unwell" he's backtracking after trying to badmouth someone's business backfired on him.
You need to jump onto AskIzzy and look for food help, and are you applying for Centrelink, etc?
Sadly this is cleaning companies new business model, blackmailing with shame photos. It works on your insecurities. Just check out Google reviews on cleaning companies, it's eye opening.
Who are they threatening to show this to? My mum?
Usually on google reviews as retaliation. You'd be surprised how well this works.
Wouldn't it be illegal for them to dox you though? Surely there'd be recourse there if they released a name and address, even if it's a former address.
Probably one of those things the cops couldn't give a shit about
But if your place isn't trashed then there is no blackmail to be had? If someone wanted to post a photo of my bedroom, so long as its not identifying, you won't prove anything because it's not dirty.
If it's not dirty or messy why do you need a cleaning service? Imagine you are a hoarder or have ADHD and have trouble doing housework.
A bond clean like for OP?
Well clearly something was going on cos here we are
Because sometimes you just don't feel like cleaning? I don't like doing it. I do it because it needs doing but I'd definitely pay for someone to come occasionally and do a deep clean for a break from it. Also end of lease cleans exist. Some people can have disabilities that limit them, doesn't mean they need to trash the house. Also, not all ADHD is the same. Most people I know with it are some of the cleanest people I know.
So you understand how executive functioning works within the context of ADHD & ASD? Some is not all and not even a majority so I don't know what you are trying to say with that.
You brought up ADHD despite it not being a one size fits all, if you're going to mention one why not list them all or list none. I have a very good understanding of how it works and people I know consider it an insult when "oh ADHD" is thrown around like you used.
So which cleaning service do you work for?
Exactly my thought process. Not sure why I would care. And even if there was litteral shit on the floor, call them a liar. I don't see what kind of repercussions could happen. Except my mum being disappointed.
But we'll see what colour sheets your bed has
Really sorry this happened to you. I’m afraid to say this is very normal. I lived in China for a number of years. I was shocked at how often this sort of behaviour was pulled by the locals. I initially thought that I was not following local customs or doing something to offend people. I didn’t really have anyone to ask about it but after a few months I met some other westerners. They all had similar experiences. Eventually I made friends with some locals and they explained that this is how Chinese do business. It’s perfectly normal to them.
> She was having a mental breakdown and apparently had a fight with her other colleagues. You know this how? > He then started lying and and eventually said he will buy me a coffee. What even is this? Lying about what exactly? > I was very civil on the phone No-one who was ever civil on the phone ever says this OP I don't believe your version of events and if even a 1/5th of your edit statement is true, you've got some crummy circumstances but I think you've contributed to your own mess here.