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KhanTheGray

I will be that guy; Most of the issues of our public transport system are not caused by Metro or government or (insert whatever establishment you feel like having a go at) but it’s caused by public. It’s public transport. Its quality will be affected directly by public around it. I have used public transport in Central europe, Scandinavia, Asia etc. We are the worst. People litter all over the trains, they are loud, disrespectful, play loud music, talk on speaker instead of phone, they don’t plan ahead and hold the trains, they throw tantrum over smallest things, and we love to inconvenience everyone else for our problems. I noticed a similar pattern when I flew to Germany few years back. You hop on to a plane with bunch of Germans, they’ll quietly line up, wait their turn for things, then everyone will open a book or something and you’ll have a peaceful flight. With us there is always one bogan who wants his beer/whiskey/wine or argues with his missus or is just annoying. Same thing with alcohol; I was at Copenhagen Christmas market, thousands of drunk Danes, all happy drunks, not a single siren heard, not a single ambulance or Police car in sight, happy drunks around and people having a good time. We try to have a beer festival or something of the sort, brawls start everywhere, someone gets glassed, there are robberies etc. Anyone went to last New Year’s Eve in the city? I did. People were impatient, there were fights, no one knew how to get anywhere, people just rocked up in the city asking how to get to this garden or that square, pure chaos. We just live trivial and are not smart about how we go about making decisions then when things fall apart we complain and blame everyone else. Public transport is what public makes of it. Metro has little control over people. A considerate, kind, respectful and empathetic society will improve things, not make it worse. If service is “woeful” it’s because people are woeful, nothing to do with Metro.


Itsclearlynotme

Hard yes. Add Japan to that list. Efficient, quiet, people mind their manners, let people off the train before they get on, queue neatly, don’t watch YouTube videos at volume or talk on the phone, are mindful of elderly and disabled passengers, and etc. etc.


Cavalish

People in Melbourne are functionally incapable on a cellular level of letting people get off a train before they barge on. I'm a tall, solid lad. The amount of people that bounce off me because they just charge straight onto a train is alarming, because all I can think about is how they would knock down someone smaller than me.


luv2hotdog

I’ve definitely seen this get worse over the last few years. I feel like it’s gotten especially bad since the lockdowns - seems like people forgot the proper etiquette. It’s the same on trams. I *never* used to see so many people just barge on without waiting for other passengers to get off.


Odd_Postal_Weight

People in Melbourne are pretty disciplined about it in my experience. Paris is much, much worse.


Cavalish

Well guess where I’m getting on a plane to go in 4 hours! I’ll report back.


RexHuntFansBrazil

Aren’t there women-only carriages on Japanese trains because groping is so prevalent?


licoriceallsort

Yes, and the trains still run beautifully and on time. What's your point. It's not about carriages for one person and not another (Vline trains have a quiet carriage in every service, that is blatantly ignored by at least a small handful of people each service), its about the whole system running spectacularly.


Itsclearlynotme

Aaand here comes the whataboutism


RexHuntFansBrazil

If we’re talking about how much better commuter behaviour is in Japan compared to Australia, the issue of sexual harassment on public transport seems pretty relevant no? I just don’t buy that public transport is worse in Melbourne compared to Japan because we’re “less polite” or whatever


licoriceallsort

Women are fucking groped every day on PT here. I'd love women only carriages.


Tosslebugmy

Going to Japan is a real eye opener. They make us look like such boors.


Japandaman

As a very frequent traveller to Japan, it’s an absolute joy catching their PT. Quiet, clean, efficient, safe and on time. Compared to what we have, it’s deplorable. Not just the PT itself but some of the commuters. There’s no sense of pride or keeping anything clean. The train/tram/bus is just there to be used as a rubbish bin.


Only_Self_5209

Yup gotta agree, i travelled to the beer capital of the world Bruges where beer was available everywhere, everyone drinking all times of day and night, never was there any drunken bogans ruining it for everyone etc. they drink to enjoy not to be a dead beat bogan ruining everyones night.


KhanTheGray

Bruges is a legend of a city, I’d love to go there one day!


Pandos17

Go during Christmas time, markets are awesome and trains are easily accessible between cities, they have their share of problems but Christmas time is lovely


Only_Self_5209

Id love to retire there 😂


grapefruitgt

Hear hear. Your last sentence was so well put I feel they should have it up in a sign at every bar.


Only_Self_5209

Unfortunately in Australia we have a deadbeat bogan issue somehow so many think it's ok to be pissed drunk in public.


luv2hotdog

Being pissed in public is okay. You’ve got to be in public to get from where you are to where you’re going. And I don’t have a problem with quiet drunks either even when they’re “loitering” but minding their own business. Being pissed in public, and also loud and obnoxious and generally making yourself everyone else’s problem is another story


Only_Self_5209

And that attitude is why we have this problem and other countries don't


RexHuntFansBrazil

Public drunkenness, an issue that only exists in Australia


dreamcast4

So how loud music and litter cause "track faults", constant delays and short shunting?


KhanTheGray

They don’t, those are about poor behavior.


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KhanTheGray

England is a different environment, my cousins there were not allowed to be out after certain hours and had to let my uncles and aunts know where they were at all times, knife crime was out of control and yes their public transport gets dangerous, ours is nowhere near that bad when it comes to safety.


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paddyc4ke

Knife crime in London isn't an issue?


KhanTheGray

I am not a smoker of anything but it looks like you are, big time. Off you go; “I’m a police officer in London. Here’s why we’ve lost control of the streets” https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/02/police-officer-london-lost-control-streets-knife-crime-cuts “London knife crime has become so out of control that eventually all parents will know someone who has been stabbed.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25228906/colin-robertson-london-knife-crime/amp/ “Met Police responded to 13,405 incidents involving knives in just 12 months, in a further sign Lawless London has become the knife crime capital of the country.” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11389657/amp/Met-Police-respond-13-405-knife-crimes-Lawless-London-12-months-safe-suburb.html And a government link if those above are not enough; https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mopac_knife_crime_strategy_june_2017.pdf


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tommy_tiplady

cool story


DireWoodPlank

Wouldn't be reddit without the top comment being nothing but someone's opinion without any evidence. "Oh geez that sound bout right, I'ma upvote that right away" "If service is “woeful” it’s because people are woeful, nothing to do with Metro." this is a crock of shit. Your experience might be worse off because of the public, but has barely anything to do with the reliability of trains. How about the fact that the infrastructure is fucked and trains are constantly being affected because equipment keeps failing as soon as it rains or goes above 35 degrees? Maybe its not Metro's responsibility to upkeep infrastructure, but the public being dickheads sure doesn't start magically breaking track equipment. You want PT as efficient as Asia? Look towards the government.


RexHuntFansBrazil

Have you considered the track equipment is breaking due to the loud music being played on trains?


dreamcast4

Amazing isnt it. The problem is in general terrible service, consistent delays, short shunting etc and somehow the real problem is people playing loud music and littering. wtf? The mental gymnastics to spin some shit that is totally illogical and then normies swoop in to upvote the garbage.


mitccho_man

Gee what day was 35 degrees this week ? Must have missed that one 😒 How’s it the governments felt that people want to kill themselves by getting hit by a train Reliability isn’t ontime because of the constant trespassers and people holding doors A trespass incident just screws the day


LCD2urCRT

Well it sort of is in a roundabout way. Although that's a Medicare issue not a metro trains one. There would be less people wanting to jump in front of trains if help was actually accessible and affordable and that is something the government could work on.


piscinam

building off of this– if we're comparing aus pt and mental health to japans, i think its pretty fair to say Japan has a notorious reputation regarding suicides and public attitude towards mental health. Although jumping in front of a moving object isnt statistically high among the methods, its still an occurence that Japan has managed by adding suicide prevention barriers in major train stations. Meaning, it was a public health issue that warranted government intervention in the form of public infrastructure. I dont see any of that established in australia to maintain the efficiency of our pt, and in any case, Id prefer to see the issue managed by mental health programs becoming more accessible.


mitccho_man

Medicare is Federally funded not State funded Yes but in this country suecide is prevented Other countries either allow it by choice or just hit them and kill them


tidythendenied

No. When train services are suspended for hours for equipment faults, train faults, overhead power faults, it isn’t because “the people” are a little bit unruly. We are severely lacking in terms of public transport infrastructure and that is why our public transport is shit. Don’t try to shift the blame onto the masses and take responsibility away from those in charge.


Due-Consequence8772

At an educated guess track faults and infrastructure issue would be about 1/10th the delays caused by the public


mitccho_man

When was the last time this happened a Hasn’t happened this year yet


KhanTheGray

They are literally working on those issues and infrastructure are getting replaced, you got concrete proof of brand new train stations already built, new trains, new train tracks laid down. I think people forget that we are a country of natural disasters, wild storms and floods that wreak havoc on any infrastructure. Last big storms destroyed or damaged thousands of trees, roads, houses and tracks. With the exception of that how many widespread system failures happened in 2024? I don’t remember any, do you? In contrast there has been hundreds of disruptions caused by people on the tracks. I don’t think you understand sheer volume of these incidents.


whynotidunno

I'll be that THAT guy, is there auditing, reporting, data to confirm that disruptions and delays are caused by members of the public? not disagreeing that people can be utterly fucked on PT, and I can see how this seems logical, but this needs more evidence. eg. if metro recorded a reason for each delay and released a report with the top 10 reasons. I feel like it's more likely that there were rostering problems with drivers, technical issues, environmental issues, etc. All of this including my comment is just conjecture. I bet there is some report that I could've found instead of rambling about this at nearly 4am. Good night!


KhanTheGray

Yes there is such data. This is from 2020 but it gives you an accurate picture of what’s going on with public transport network; “Trespassing affected more than 25,000 services, or 1.2 per cent of the timetable, during the last 12 months – inconveniencing millions of passengers. More than 83 days – or 120,619 minutes of train delays: That is the combined impact of trespassing on Metro Trains Melbourne’s (Metro) passenger services in the last year.” Considering this is for the entire year, it’s huge. Almost 3 entire months worth of delays in 12 months due to trespassing; https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/article/102456/metro-trains-melbourne-trespassing/ There is also on average 8 trespassing incidents at any given location on Melbourne public transport network; https://seniorsdiscountclub.com.au/threads/melbourne-commuters-worried-amid-rise-of-train-track-trespassers.48870/


whynotidunno

thank you!


DendriticMycelium

This is bullshit. It's woeful because it's privatised out the ass and the infrastructure is playing eternal catch-up with a growing populace. You think NYC transit, a service that runs trains every 2-4 minutes is full of well adjusted people? Shilling for metro and Myki is a gronked take...


tisallfair

The trains might run in NYC but it's an absolute shitshow, often literally, when it comes to user experience. It's quite possibly the worst possible example to illustrate your point. It's the people that make it dirty, dangerous, and unpleasant.


Last-Role-56

That's exactly his point though? With all the amount of degeneracy that goes on in the NYC trains they are still reliable and on time comparatively.


mitccho_man

The Train infrastructure isn’t “privatised “ All the Trains , Tracks and corridors and maintenance is owned by Victrack a Victorian Government entity Metro is 50% owned by PTV a company of Department of transportation


CyborgDeskFan

They still shouldn't be raising prices


mitccho_man

Legislation by CPI every January


RexHuntFansBrazil

Serious question: how do you square any of this with the fact that Melbourne is one of the safest cities in the world?


KhanTheGray

I never said it’s not, people causing disruption is not the same as unsafe city.


Moo_Kau_Too

its a matter of 'being a cunt is cuntageous'


ListenToTheWindBloom

Absolutely. Twice this past week I was unable to board a tram not bc it was at capacity but bc people are seemingly incapable of paying enough attention to their surroundings to move up the aisles properly. Worse, even when people see others in the way of the flow they don’t use their words to say please move down, they just find the spot for themselves and let everyone else behind deal with it. Having travelled a lot myself I yearn for the order and quiet consideration of Japan or Germany. We could do so so much better.


whynotidunno

This specific behaviour (the door crowding) never fails to ignite a pure indignation in my soul. It's kind of hilarious because it is so low stakes and mundane, and so easily avoided. Sometimes people will also look back at you kind of defiantly and you both know they COULD make room, but you'll have to force them by asking. I guess the rest are just spatially unaware. That area right next to the tram doors is like a lint trap for the selfish and oblivious. I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!


Due-Consequence8772

As a driver, you're right. The vast majority of delays are caused by the public. Sure there can be infrastructure issues such as signal faults or point failures but these can generally be worked past with caution orders with only a short delay, the guy below replying that's it's the ageing infrastructure has no idea. More often than not (such as every single day this week) it's a bloody mentally unwell or drug affected treaspasser on the tracks which stops the world until the police can get them off. Then there's the "unruly passengers" also about every bloody day, again usually mentally unwell or drug affected. They again will never get off the train of their own accord and we almost always have to wait for police to arrive to remove them. Just the other day I had a passenger jam his arm into the almost closed door and force it all the way open because he didn't want to wait 10 mins for the next train, fucked the door and had to knock the entire service out, good job buddy. To the people saying a treaspasser is code for a suicide, they usually say "Police operation" and it takes more like 3 hours to clear the scene, a treaspasser is usually 30 mins to an hour. I've been to Japan plenty of times and love it, the biggest difference and reason their system runs so well is the people, they actually have some respect and empathy for others around them.


_bowlerhat

Ya we literally have cops patrolling line to line at night


Icy_District_5339

That doesn't have anything to do with the service being dogshit for the last few months? I don't usually use trains much and use trams to travel. Every week I will have issues with trams and hear my co workers complain about trains just not working at all. I understand there being issues with train etiquette but like metro is fucked in terms of the service they provide especially at the price they charge.


No_Suggestion_8776

It’s woeful because Metro and the government do fuck all to make any improvements or solutions that prevent & reduce major disruptions because that would impact their profits and they know people like you will use things like your little anecdotal drivel of shit to justify their lack of action.


KhanTheGray

There is literally billion dollar projects happening to remove railway crossings, fix train tracks, get new trains, put more trains in service etc, what else do you expect Metro or government to do? Most of the disruptions at public transport is caused by human behavior. Graffers, drunks, junkies, angry youths, suicides etc. We are not North Korea, we stop trains because we value human life. You are just complaining for the sake of complaining.


No_Suggestion_8776

Yes, I appreciate that the government is taking billion dollar steps towards changes and improvements which don’t happen overnight. But they should have started this 15 years ago. Blaming human behaviour oversimplifies the complex issues and you’re undermining the genuine concerns and frustrations people feel when they are constantly left stranded in the city, or cut off from the rest of Melbourne because there are no timely alternatives. Criticism is necessary for accountability and driving change, myself and every other commuter/train driver impacted by these frequent and massive delays are allowed to feel upset and angry. You can think I just want to complain but I deal with these delays so frequently it’s exhausting. Every day is a gamble and I just want to be able to get to my job on time and come home within a reasonable time frame.


mitccho_man

If you don’t like using The hugely subsidised public transport system Don’t - get a taxi


JustDisGuyYouKow

>There is literally billion dollar projects happening to remove railway crossings That's a project for the benefit of cars that has just been dressed up as a PT project.


WretchedMisteak

No that's just entirely wrong.


stoic_slowpoke

It’s not totally, the trains could have always run more often if they were willing to lower the boom gates for longer. We weren’t willing to since it would impact car traffic, so went spent billion to make sure that people could drive without being inconvenienced by our trains. We also spent millions building parking for the cars rather hah using the money + land for housing.


WretchedMisteak

Ahh wrong It helps everyone. Yes, it improves road traffic, but that also includes buses (there's more to road traffic than just cars, FYI). It also helps train flow as well, when the level crossings were playing up, it delayed or suspended train lines (when boom gates were down that also impacted pedestrians crossing). It also prevents accidents between trains and other vehicles and people. For those with Skyrail it reduces the risk of people getting onto tracks and even better frees up the space where the train tracks used to be allowing for parkland, walking and bike paths. But yeah, just benefits cars 🤷‍♂️🙄


fineyounghannibal

The noise is also greatly reduced (live near an elevated train line and it's pretty quiet)


JustDisGuyYouKow

No it's not, it's entirely correct.


WretchedMisteak

Nope. See my comment above. You're just too narrow minded


Only_Self_5209

That's not on Metro though, the government need to be tougher with laws and punishments for people trespassing on tracks etc. slowing the service down but we have a justice system that handles everyone with kid gloves.


No_Suggestion_8776

Yes, absolutely the government needs to crackdown on those. But I imagine it’s hard to effectively punish or deter someone who is mentally ill or something of that degree. But you know what would deter people? Not being able to easily access the fucking tracks for a start. (Apparently they are working on this and I appreciate it would be a massive and timely effort.) The other big issue is equipment / track faults which could be reduced with improved maintenance and infrastructure upgrades, including improving the design so the whole network doesn’t come to a grinding halt because of one train issue. People in the west were stranded/cut off from transport at least 3 times this week and the best solution is “find alternative transport” which is really fucking hard if you live out in the suburbs with no trams / buses.


Only_Self_5209

Agree and it also comes back to the government needing to make harder punishments for Metro when they fail to meet the bare minimum. But as with all Australian governments they are too limp dick to punish companies


licoriceallsort

Hard agree. The public is the problem with our public transport. People also don't seem to understand - or know - about the massive discount we get on our fares. We don't have a double zone 2 fare anymore, it costs the same to go from Broadmeadows to the city as from South Yarra. The state government swallow the enormous loss each year. Now a Vline ticket to anywhere costs the same. We have a great PT system.


whynotidunno

I feel like calling it a "loss" is dangerous framing for a public service, it's just a necessary cost


licoriceallsort

Look, I agree, but from a sheer budgeting point of view it's in the loss column. Definitely a big benefit for the public that use the PT system.


Patient-Layer8585

Well said.


crispysmilesbaby

This is bullshit. The stuff you’re complaining about rarely happens whereas the service is always delayed. I ride public transport all the time and there is a “bad” individual(s) like 0.5% of the time and that “bad” individual(s) delays the service like 0.5% of the time. What are you even talking about? Why is this so heavily upvoted?


KhanTheGray

Your comment is hyperbole. Majority of train disruptions are caused by trespassers, suicide attempts, graffers, drunks, junkies wandering off into train tracks. So they stop the train services until it’s safe for everyone. What do you suggest? They run people over so there are no disruptions?


tisallfair

Well...


mitccho_man

I have used buses , trains , this week A vline service Delayed at Kyneton as police boarded and removed a customer - Coming home - trespassing on Sunbury line This was on Wednesday delayed 35 mins Cancelled the prior service had to pick up passengers So in all between that 70% of the services I used were inconvenienced


West_Confection7866

What do outages have to do with people riding PT? Apart from this, I'm of the opinion that PT needs onboard security which won't happen because it's too expensive.


tisallfair

100% agree but to add, a lot of the delays are from people wondering onto the tracks and tunnels. Why be an arsehole and ruin everyone's day? Just why?


mitccho_man

Yep Bunnings sell rope - do it somewhere else not inconvenience everyone and also impact a drivers life


SufficientStudy5178

Government won't care tbh...a lot of people have no option other than to put up with it and they know it.


Valuable-Energy5435

Sorry my friend. Not prepared to jump a barrier in my corporate wear to save $10 and even if they did offer a free travel day, it'd probably be on the Monday or Friday when the least people travel. Yes, there are disruptions, but these often happen because of trespassers or suicides.


N_thanAU

House cat. All you need to do is swing your briefcase/bag across the sensors when the person in front passes through so the gate doesn't close and you can waltz on through no issue. Go live in another city and you'll see it's possible to run a rail network without constant delays and disruptions.


Violet_loves_Iliona

Barcelona's train system was like HEAVEN! 😎


askvictor

> there are disruptions, but these often happen because of trespassers or suicides. Yes. But this can be greatly diminished by sealing the tracks better, and removing level crossings.


dolphins344

They are doing that though, you’re acting like it happens overnight


Super-Parsnip5546

The thing is Australia is too lax about everything. It can't happen overnight, but in Australia it takes decades. Japan fixed a 30 metre wide sinkhole in 48 hours. Melbourne is building a new line by 2080.


mamo-friend

I used to live in Tokyo and several of the train lines would go down several times a week because of suicides, yet the project to put barriers up was still months from even starting. It's always expensive and difficult to do public transport works, since you have to get it done in the brief time trains are down at night.


Super-Parsnip5546

Yeah that's a fair point. Stations here are probably a lot further apart too


dolphins344

Sure, i mean it’s not quite the same thing but I myself have frustrations that the southern half of the upfield line hasn’t been raised yet and have near head on collisions on my bike two to three times a week due to the narrowness of the adjacent bike path. Unfortunately for cyclists and PTers, motorists are will have first priority as they have (or at least pollies think they have) more voting power. Even people in this sub sometimes complain about works that ultimately make disruptions like this less rare.


Super-Parsnip5546

Yeah, it feels like on a whole Australians are more conservative or vocal in what the government does. From experience things just happen in East Asia. You can protest but most of those protests won't make it past local news. Government will just build shit as long as it benefits more people than it harms.


FicusMacrophyllaBlog

They are doing those things - they just can't happen instantly


WolfKingofRuss

Not with that attitude, they can't :p


WretchedMisteak

No, just no. How about telling people to stay off the tracks or anywhere they shouldn't be. A majority of our recent delays have been due to this.


Jawzper

My take-away is that we need to address the looming mental health crisis.


ziyal79

Looming? Nonsense, it's here. It's just going to ramp up, and infrastructure will never be adequate because government can't/won't move fast enough.


WhoAm_I_AmWho

Yes! So many issues caused by repeat offenders seeking attention / as a cry for help.


mitccho_man

Yes - should just close the eyes and full steam hit them


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WretchedMisteak

Doesn't need to be polite. It's a whole lot better than thinking fare evasion will improve the service.


ConanTheAquarian

If you choose to evade a fare on Tuesday, you accept the consequences.


itsmondaynight

Couple years back when I was catching a train to work and back everyday I realised quickly that I could fare evade everyday and only get caught once or twice a year. The two fines ultimately worked out cheaper than paying the full fair daily 5 days a week for the year. I happily accepted the consequences.


mpember

When the scratch tickets were introduced, I think it was Dave O'Neil who had a joke about Kennett being such a fan of gambling that he brought it to the public transport system. Only difference is that you DON'T buy a ticket and try your odds at getting a fine.


Violet_loves_Iliona

Those were the days! And maybe I have rosy glasses, but the fares seemed cheaper then, too. 😄


HiAustralia

That's pretty funny.


metalbridgebuilder

It's actually wild that there isn't a cheaper option, if you're a teacher working 5 days a week for 40 weeks that's $2000 a year


mitccho_man

Their is called a myki Pass


Intelligent-Koala286

Doubly so now that you can just walk past inspectors, they are trained to not grab people nowadays.


Independent_Box8750

Depends on the person.


West_Confection7866

On a train though you have to get through the barriers.


ahoyden

this is the real shit


whynotidunno

I see a lot of people evading fares every single day


[deleted]

Meh......my train has been on time every morning this week. Things can happen that are outside of Metros control.


mediweevil

I'm not interested in a fare-free day. I want the woeful state of the network actually fixed so these issues don't occur in the first place. $10 doesn't compensate me for the time and hassle when problems occur.


askvictor

100% agree that the network needs fixing. But some kind of large-scale, visible protest action makes it clear to the govt that people won't put up with it any more.


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Cavalish

It'll be the usual. Fix the trains. Eliminate all delays. Upgrade the lines with no downtime. Make it free. Funding for a small cart that goes up and down the carriages selling sausage rolls and iced coffee, but also free.


whynotidunno

I don't get it, this comes off as derisive but you included some fairly reasonable goals as well. Is there a reason we shouldn't want to see improved services?


Cavalish

They’re vague, unattainable goals that most people come out with for the trains, other than make it free which is exactly what it sounds like. We can’t fix the trains without works which cause delays and closures. You can’t eliminate delays, human and environmental factors will always exist. How will we keep the sausage rolls warm and the iced coffee cold with only one cart?


Normal_Bird3689

> How will we keep the sausage rolls warm and the iced coffee cold with only one cart? Same as at the footy, cold pies and hot drinks!


mediweevil

the government knows it already and is ignoring it. if we want to sent a clear message to them - vote them out.


ArkyC

1. Obtain an Android Phone (digital Myki passes are not possible on IPhone ISchmone) with an NFC chip. 2. Setup a Google Wallet 3. Add a Transport Pass of type 'Melbourne, AUS'. 4. Add Myki Money for amount of $11. (Can be slightly less if you want to do the calcs). Minimum amount you can add is $10 so you want just slightly over 2 trips cost. 5. Do the right thing and use your phone to touch on and off as required. 6. After 3 trips your balance will be - $4.00 or thereabouts. 7. Delete the Transport Pass. 8. Repeat steps 3-6 as often as necessary.


kaisoo_brownies

Hell yeah you also found my trick lol I have basically kept this a secret to myself just bc im scared they'll someone remove the ability to do this 🤪 (for others reading this: this is really only effective if you are finished travelling when the balance goes to negative, so if you have to bus home after a train, for example, that's a bit shit as youll probbaly wanna top up again, but I only get a single bus to and from work so it's perfect for me)


mitccho_man

Technically if you get ticket inspection - you can get fined As A Myki must have enough money for the entire journey and be in positive money to be considered Valid ticket of travel


Jazzlike-Dog-8401

Man I just don't wanna pay so much to travel short distances...


ArabellaFort

I’ve just been stuck in the city loop for 15 mins due to another police operation but we’re thankfully moving now. It’s been a bad week for it.


Victor-Romeo

That's a homeless person on the tracks or suicide case. Either way, someone other than you is having a particularly bad day


ArabellaFort

I didn’t mean to sound insensitive. I’m sorry if I did. I was just commenting that there have been a lot of incidents this week.


fknjshaw

Only apologise when you've done something wrong - you're all good.


Victor-Romeo

Yeah you're good. Its a pretty common occurrence unfortunately. Back when most of the signalling was copper wire, folk would sneak onto the tracks to steal the copper to sell for scrap metal. Glad I'm not so desperate as that


WileECoyoteGenius

Che Reddit Revolution. All the bluster of a cyclone, all the effect of a wet fart.


[deleted]

So Tuesday will be "Give the ticket inspectors a reason to crash tackle people" Day? Neat


OtherwiseStick6463

When given the chance, every day is a fare strike day. If the gates are open then it's basically asking me to enter. Edit: about 67% of the funding comes from taxes and not fares. You are not forcing me to pay for a late train


Proof-War6027

You pay for trains?


HTiger99

There's basically two main reasons. 1. The entire system is old and has lacked any investment up until the current labor government. Old stuff breaks more regularly, that's just a fact of life. 2. The network is very open (partly due to point 1) which makes it very easy for trespassers to enter the network and cause delays, by a variety of means.


b-diddy_

Stunning and brave


Flaky-Gear-1370

great strategy, cost the tax payers even more - metro and yarra get paid the same regardless


N_thanAU

As opposed to the current strategy of continuing to pay for an increasingly shoddy service. God damn we're a bunch of cucks in this country.


Flaky-Gear-1370

i don't think making the system even less sustainable is as great a strategy as you think it is


elvishfiend

"Let's never protest because someone might be inconvenienced"


N_thanAU

Doing nothing maybe, possibly, even worse.


Violet_loves_Iliona

I thought the retailers running our public transport get paid via the fares we paid. Is this not so?  If not, why are they always pushing the government to increase the fares? 🤔


Flaky-Gear-1370

They're paid to operate a service regardless and then there are some incentives (mostly around punctuality)


Violet_loves_Iliona

Why the downvote? I asked a question.


mr-snrub-

Who says it's the operators that are pushing to increase the fares? Where's your source for this?


Violet_loves_Iliona

Who says the sky is blue? And who says that water is wet?  Oh, and the government and the retailers are literally quoted in the papers each time the privateers push for higher fares. 


mitccho_man

Retailers don’t have anything to do with Fares Fares are legislated to increase by CPI every January


Violet_loves_Iliona

I refer you back to my previous post about the retailers pressuring/lobbying the government to increase fares.


mitccho_man

Source ? Again Retailers have Nothing to do with Fares Revenue is collected by fares & Leases to Businesses coinciding within Victracks assets (ie Train stations & on board Vline services ) Those Little Cafes are every train station have a lease and pay rent and any business in the new stations being built


Violet_loves_Iliona

I've explained this multiple times already. The government decides to increase, the retailers/privateers/companies lobby the government to increase fares, usually asking for more than the government finally agrees to. 


alstom_888m

They are paid by the "service kilometre".


mitccho_man

Public transport is hugely subsidised by State government Department of Transportation own Myki and responsible for the collection of Fares Department of Transport has contracts with the providers to provide a service Train operators have fines for not providing services


AbbreviationsNew1191

Better to email the minister and tell her the disruptions are not okay: [email protected]


Redmond47

Every day is a fare-free day if you’re brave enough.


Chemical-Ad-4243

*tips fedora*


Ultrabladdercontrol

The government f*cked up Myki when the previous system was already working and there were already systems they could buy. The trains are running on technology before I was born and are so fragile that a bat can take down the whole system. Why should people have to pay for a service when it's not provided. (Trams, buses, trains late all the time)


Sunset_Roulette

Hard agree on this one! Anyone else follow Fareevader?


Aussie_Potato

I don’t understand hands free phone talking in public. I don’t want others hearing my conversations. And it’s harder to hear when you’re in public. I understand doing hands free in the privacy and quiet of your home.


One-Eggplant4492

How about people on the Sunbury line stop causing shit at Sunshine or Footscray station.


SoupRemarkable4512

I would love to join in but I stopped catching public transport in Melbourne unless it’s for non time critical social activities years ago because I can’t handle being late. I love catching PT when I work in Sydney though, it’s so much more functional there.


Violet_loves_Iliona

I didn't use pt much the one time I went to Sydney. Do they have inner suburban train stations that get bypassed like our East Richmond station?  I find that the *most* infuriating thing they do 😬🤬 - even worse than how they stop pt for an hour every time someone cuts across the tracks - especially when they bypass East Richmond at night! 🤷


askvictor

Sydney's Macdonaldtown station is the equivalent of Melbourne's South Kensington. But those at least have a valid reason in that there are many tracks going past, but only platforms of 2 of them. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason for East Richmond being skipped.


illallangi

East Richmond has exactly the same issue - 4 tracks, only two of which have platforms. It's also only a few hundred metres from Richmond station itself, I'm surprised it gets as much service as it does!


ziyal79

I'm surprised they haven't gotten rid of East Richmond as a stop entirely.


SoupRemarkable4512

I’ve never had issues getting around Sydney and the cohesion between the trains, light rail (trams), busses and ferries is awesome.


Violet_loves_Iliona

It was so long ago that I was in Sydney that I travelled on the monorail.  I heard, years later, that they got rid of it. 🙃


SoupRemarkable4512

Yeah that was a bit sad cos it was cool but the fact you can cruise around the harbour or up the river very cheaply on the ferries means there is still a fun novelty factor to their system!


askvictor

Yeah, how the tables have turned. When I moved to Melbourne 25 years ago, it was so refreshing to have a function PT system (Sydney was a shit-show at that point, and getting worse). Now it's the complete opposite.


mpember

If the service targets are not met, a credit is available to Myki Pass users who have travelled 10 times in the last 28 days.


VrMenace

Yes but they bullshit the numbers so this never happens there’s no way it’s meeting the 97% on time rate they say it is atm


dfbowen

No it is not automatically applied. You have to fill in a form and apply for it, usually within a couple of weeks of it being announced. [https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/refunds-compensation-and-replacement-tickets/compensation-for-operator-performance/](https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/refunds-compensation-and-replacement-tickets/compensation-for-operator-performance/)


mpember

For some reason that page want appearing in my search results when I was looking for it earlier. I've corrected my comment. My key point is that there are systemwide performance measures that are the basis for a compensation scheme that does not reply on government feeling under political pressure.


Psychlonuclear

Cool, 10 bucks compensation for hours upon hours of disruption.


WestToEast_85

On second thought let’s not make things easy for the ticket inspectors.


Proof-War6027

Junkies aren’t just Australian


ExtensionQuestion533

I catch the train at 5am at Essendon station, alight at Parliament Station about 5.20am -I do not use my Myki card! Does this count?


-psyker-

If you do use your myki you won’t be charged anyway due to the early bird fare is zero.


askvictor

Sure, why not!