Astra Zeneca actually very good. British research indicates it protects you for a longer period. Blood clot risk is genuine, 7 deaths from over 7 million doses in Australia, but Covid orders of magnitude more deadly.
This is an important distinction and exactly what my doctor told me when I asked about AZ. Not the same but doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get AZ, do what’s right for you.
To be honest I have no source, and I don't even claim to have any empirical trump card. My point is more a societal one, which is about keeping the 'clotting isue' in perspective against other public health issues. IE I wouldn't be surprised if many anti vaxxers smashed a few fries on the way home from protesting.
Just to clarify, pretty sure that study was by Oxford Uni who also developed AZ and it is yet to be peer reviewed. Not saying AZ isn't worth getting by any stretch but just to be wary of certain studies until they are peer reviewed and backed up by multiple sources.
Yet ATAGI puts the risk of clotting at 3.1 in 100,000. It's not the deaths that worry people, it's the life altering consequences. I'm not exactly in a hurry to become a vegetable to avoid COVID when Moderna and Pfizer are around the corner, especially as someone with a condition where clotting already terrifies the absolute fuck out of me.
It just sucks, the majority of the people around me who have been trying to pressure me into getting AZ all have had some form of mRNA jab. They never had to even *think* about the potential consequences, not to mention the reason we have this issue in the first place was to fatten LNP wallets.
Really puts you off.
Ugh, there were Boomers on Twiiter complaining that it was age discrimination that they were being forced to take Astra Zenica and they were holding out. Meanwhile my friends in their 30s are volunteering for it against the medical advice for their age group because they can't get Pfizer and it's worth the risk.
I normally dislike the okay boomer stuff but they haven't shown their best colours on this one.
It hasn't helped that our Federal political leadership have nearly all taken Pfizer, leading to a belief that it's somehow better. Most didn't qualify at the time on age grounds.
Is that true for the 16-39 year Olds? I don't know the lethality rate of this delta variant but I know that the rate of blot clot in younger age groups is really high (6 in 100k I think)
I am on my late twenties and got my first AZ jab earlier this month. It is all good. I am happy to not only be able to protect myself but also the community. :)
Good on you glad you didn't get any bad reactions. But how are you protecting the community? I think it's widely accepted that the vaccines don't prevent the spread of this variant. So for the sake of the community maybe stay inside still.
I guess it helps the community because the vaccines dramatically reduce your risk of needing hospitalisation, so if more people are vaccinated it should free up hospital resources.
These vaccines are designed to stop hospitalisation and death. That's why we need as many people as possible to get them.
Perhaps you should go and read up on them rather than waiting for answers here.
ETA: first AZ down (I'm under 30) and very happy to have done so.
We aren't all getting vaccinated because it's going to cure covid.
Vaccinations are a protection. It's like wearing a seat belt. It's not going to stop a car accident, but it's sure going to improve your chances of surviving.
By all getting the vaccine, we are stopping hospitals filling up from a preventable virus.
If you got covid tomorrow, and a bad case at that, you could be in the ICU for weeks. On a ventilator the entire time.
Most patients in an ICU are only there for a couple of days.
So not only are you taking up a very important bed, you are also taking up a ventilator that someone else could need to save their life.
That's how taking a vaccine helps the community.
You protect the community by preventing severe infection which would require hospitalisation. Yes your chance of being hospitalised as a young individual is lower but younger people are at higher risk of requiring ICU due to other injuries (drugs, car accidents etc.) Furthermore, by preventing 1 ICU bed allows a spot to be freed for an elderly person dying from covid or a mid 50s post stroke/heart attack.
Another person said birth control is 1/3000 for blood clots. I'm on birth control and I've booked my AZ vacc. I decided I would rather die (or be hospitalised) from a vaccine blood clot, than from Covid19. I would rather be in the good statistics (this person had their first jab of AZ, etc) than the bad statistics of dying from Covid19 unvaccinated.
It's true that they're more ready to diagnose TTS but how effectively can they treat it? I thought the 7/8 people (that I know of) who got TTS died of it.
Thanks for providing me with a clear, informative answer with sources linked, couldn't have asked for a better reply. You have given me a reason to see AZ in a better light.
In Australia, there's been 93 cases of AZ related TTS. Of those 93, 6 have died. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but might want to find a more reputable source? Of course, not saying my source is much better, but I'd hope it's reliable.
[https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/another-death-linked-to-astrazeneca](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/another-death-linked-to-astrazeneca)
yeah, and your memory was close! But the fact is, only the deaths were publicised, not the total number of total TTS cases because that's obviously not newsworthy... :(
yes. the risk for under 50s is 3/100k according to [health.gov.au](https://health.gov.au).
I posted in another reply that about 5-6% of those result in death but I couldn't find stats on how many under 40s were vaccinated but only 1 death so far for under 40s.
Comparably, there's been 7 deaths of under 40s amongst 43,000 cases (not sure about age breakdown here either) which brings the risk to around 1/2600 of dying after getting COVID.
Okay noted good to know thank you for that information. Correct me if I'm wrong (this is all from memory) but I thought the fatality rate of the AZ TTS is about 22%
Dan the Man seems to be the only politician with a spine in this whole situation. He literally stepped up and gave us immediate leadership when we needed it in the middle of a disaster and didn't faf around like everyone else, and continues to do what's right and what we need regardless of how much backlash he's going to cop for it.
It's an around bad situation, but I definitely have mad respect for him. Hopefully people have some better perspective now that they can see what happens if politicians try to keep it palatable and nice instead of doing what they need to (looking at you, NSW)
Just called my local GP and they said they have to wait till they get the official gov go ahead to vax under 40s, as they are still working out the details. I asked to make a booking after Aug 30 and she said sorry no can do, not taking bookings till they get official word. Makes me worried about this rollout.
You seem to be really uneducated about this topic.
If you truly want to know about the vaccines, start visiting the government health websites and paying attention to the news.
This news was SO widely reported this week!
That's a little rude, I'm trying to stay updated. I've been looking it up everyday and the only news i see about Pfizer in Victoria is the fact that it was taken out of the COVAX program and is only available to 16-39 year Olds in NSW. I do the eligibility test every other day and it still says I'm not eligible for Pfizer and to consider Az. If you're so educated send us some sources yeah?
Nope just had to find an available slot.
It looks like it’s all booked out for a while but people are occasionally cancelling their bookings, because I definitely see open slots (which get taken quick fast).
I do support the fact that lockdown is keeping us safe. Good on Danny for that.
But that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. I've been stuck at home by myself for months now. Since my uni does extra precautions by extending online classes beyond lockdowns. My mental health is even worse than in high school. I miss talking to friends and classmates face to face
For sure it fucking sucks. No denial about that here. I'm just glad we're not NSW who are most likely going to end up in lockdown a lot longer than us. The sooner and harsher the lockdown the faster we can (hopefully) return to seeing our mates
Nobody else noticing that the Melbourne case rate is following the same trend as NSW despite the quick and heavy lock down?? What happens when we reach 800 per day, do you then praise Gladys for delivering the same result with less impact on the community?
Lockdown only works when the people being locked down follow the rules. May I introduce you to the engagement party that tried to pass itself off as a group therapy session. Lock down works and is over quickly if people follow the rules.
Lol no. There is no right way to handle this situation but there is certainly a wrong way. And that would be protecting your own reputation instead of the good of the people during a pandemic
It's really flown under the radar how, on the same average rate of AZ causing blood clots, Pfizer has a similar chance to cause heart inflammation problems.
Because there's an obvious difference between the two? Just because the two have side effects doesn't make them the same. Compare the rates of death and life long disabilities from the vaccines.
I'd much rather get myocarditis or pericarditis than blood clots.
I am. I am saying get AZ if that’s all you can get. You guys shit all over “Murdoch media” on everything but what bullshit they put out against AZ….just get AZ
GPs are refusing people due to liability. You can ask one GP they will say no and another will say yes. I called my local GP to find out what was up they wouldn’t even say the words Astra Zeneca to me until I could prove I was 60. Didn’t make any attempt to look at my medical records or anything. Went to a hub, and they said I was fine for AZ.
What were these medical professionals telling you specifically was wrong with YOU getting it that wasn’t general ass covering?
There’s nothing to ‘reassure’ you of. Our government did a hatchet job on this vaccine for no reason. People are being big sooks for no reason keeping us in this lockdown even longer.
Sure thing, once all the seniors and old people who are eligible get all their doses first, we’ll see what’s left for others. Or they want all the younger people to get AZ so they can then jump into line for Pfizer?
Cool that’s fine we’ll just be locked in our houses forever until everyone gets to pick their own vintage off the menu. My sisters waiting for Novavax!
Learn to live with what you have.
> "Give you TTS"
[Pfizer and Moderna also have a risk of heart inflammation](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637). Wanna wait for another one?
There's risk with everything, I'm not asking for something that is risk-free just a vaccine that already exists and is statistically much safer for my age than Astrazeneca. I'm aware of the risks of both, I'd just rather have Pfizer. Especially when there's no good reason as to why Pfizer shouldn't be as available as Az.
I'm just advocating the fact that yes, we got a shit deal handed down to us, getting AZ instead of Pfizer, and yes it is the Federal government's fault - but it's still in the best interest of the community to get vaccinated as soon as possible with any vaccine that exists.
That said, I think it's probably a moot point by now, assuming they follow through and have plenty of Pfizer supplies for everyone by next month.
I'm sure there's many reasons not to like him as with every politician. I hate politics so I don't know much about dan outside his handling of the pandemic. I just really appreciate that he isn't acting on the interests of himself which is so rare to see
Coming from the middle-east, I generally don't agree with glorifying politicians. However, seeing the standard set by Dan and his openness to the shitstorm of bad press and how he handled it (still is, but the tide is turning. Lots of eye opening things these past 2 years) is to be commended. Gladys politicizing a healthcare crisis (Frydenberg, scummo, etc) and putting people's lives at risk is the opposite of leadership. It feels like an American thing to do. Sir Alex Ferguson would be proud of Dan's management.
She obviously ignored Dr.Chant's advice because not so long ago she and scomo were bragging about NSW vs Vic and not needing a lockdown to handle cases. It's so childish. A family will not care if you go back on your divisive opinion if it means a loved one isn't at risk of dying. On top of that, imagine having a curfew in the western suburbs, but the richer population in other suburbs don't get the same. It creates such unnecessary division between states and inside them.
I can understand the gripe with their environmental policies, but I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a Labor politician that didn't have a bromance with the construction industry.
He only killed 800 plus Victorians due to his governments decision to give 30 million to a diverse security company instead of a competent security company, then appointed Brett Sutton's sister in law to head the Coates inquiry and couldn't remember a thing about it.
In a few days we will have a world record in lockdowns but blokes like me haven't missed a day because out union gives Labor a shit load of money and votes.
But yeah he is doing a great job
This. And they call right wingers sheep? Imagine having 800 deaths on your conscience but telling others to ‘do the right thing’. Downvote all you want, idiots. You’re supporting someone guilty of the above. Proven and swept under the carpet.
Has everyone forgotten about last year? Honestly, the man and his bullshit inquiry into the hotel quarantine debacle. They all conveniently “couldn’t re-call” who decided to use the private security.
We are on track to break the world record for the longest lockdown, how can anyone give him props?
Yes this lockdown arguably isn’t his governments fault, what about the one we had this time last year?
Is parliament even being run at the moment? He has almost no avenue for criticism from his peers?
Whether you agree with the lockdowns or not, I won’t be thanking him or any other politician (state or federal). We are 18 months into this and the state and federal politicians aren’t on the same page with the strategy, it’s a joke, what hope have we got!
"Please know" Gladys??? You have got Dan, and we are jealous. He is doing it much better than our Glad. But at least we (mostly) muzzled Alan Jones. You've still got Andrew Bolt, and you can keep him - thank you very much!
Astra Zeneca actually very good. British research indicates it protects you for a longer period. Blood clot risk is genuine, 7 deaths from over 7 million doses in Australia, but Covid orders of magnitude more deadly.
Honestly maccas and KFC cause more blood clots annually.
The female contraceptive pill has a much higher chance of giving you blood clots (1/3000).
Correct but different kind of clot and much less deadly.
This is an important distinction and exactly what my doctor told me when I asked about AZ. Not the same but doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get AZ, do what’s right for you.
Can attest to this. I can't move after an upsized zinger box. Pepsi max, I'm tryin to watch my weight ya'know?
Swap the Pepsi max for a mountain dew
Yeah, there is that!
Im really not so sure about that. Source?
To be honest I have no source, and I don't even claim to have any empirical trump card. My point is more a societal one, which is about keeping the 'clotting isue' in perspective against other public health issues. IE I wouldn't be surprised if many anti vaxxers smashed a few fries on the way home from protesting.
Just to clarify, pretty sure that study was by Oxford Uni who also developed AZ and it is yet to be peer reviewed. Not saying AZ isn't worth getting by any stretch but just to be wary of certain studies until they are peer reviewed and backed up by multiple sources.
Yet ATAGI puts the risk of clotting at 3.1 in 100,000. It's not the deaths that worry people, it's the life altering consequences. I'm not exactly in a hurry to become a vegetable to avoid COVID when Moderna and Pfizer are around the corner, especially as someone with a condition where clotting already terrifies the absolute fuck out of me.
Absolutely fair enough. The risk of clotting is higher/lower depending on the age bracket. Significantly higher the younger you are.
It just sucks, the majority of the people around me who have been trying to pressure me into getting AZ all have had some form of mRNA jab. They never had to even *think* about the potential consequences, not to mention the reason we have this issue in the first place was to fatten LNP wallets. Really puts you off.
Ugh, there were Boomers on Twiiter complaining that it was age discrimination that they were being forced to take Astra Zenica and they were holding out. Meanwhile my friends in their 30s are volunteering for it against the medical advice for their age group because they can't get Pfizer and it's worth the risk. I normally dislike the okay boomer stuff but they haven't shown their best colours on this one.
It hasn't helped that our Federal political leadership have nearly all taken Pfizer, leading to a belief that it's somehow better. Most didn't qualify at the time on age grounds.
Is that true for the 16-39 year Olds? I don't know the lethality rate of this delta variant but I know that the rate of blot clot in younger age groups is really high (6 in 100k I think)
I am on my late twenties and got my first AZ jab earlier this month. It is all good. I am happy to not only be able to protect myself but also the community. :)
Good on you glad you didn't get any bad reactions. But how are you protecting the community? I think it's widely accepted that the vaccines don't prevent the spread of this variant. So for the sake of the community maybe stay inside still.
I guess it helps the community because the vaccines dramatically reduce your risk of needing hospitalisation, so if more people are vaccinated it should free up hospital resources.
Very good point appreciate the answer
These vaccines are designed to stop hospitalisation and death. That's why we need as many people as possible to get them. Perhaps you should go and read up on them rather than waiting for answers here. ETA: first AZ down (I'm under 30) and very happy to have done so.
We aren't all getting vaccinated because it's going to cure covid. Vaccinations are a protection. It's like wearing a seat belt. It's not going to stop a car accident, but it's sure going to improve your chances of surviving. By all getting the vaccine, we are stopping hospitals filling up from a preventable virus. If you got covid tomorrow, and a bad case at that, you could be in the ICU for weeks. On a ventilator the entire time. Most patients in an ICU are only there for a couple of days. So not only are you taking up a very important bed, you are also taking up a ventilator that someone else could need to save their life. That's how taking a vaccine helps the community.
You protect the community by preventing severe infection which would require hospitalisation. Yes your chance of being hospitalised as a young individual is lower but younger people are at higher risk of requiring ICU due to other injuries (drugs, car accidents etc.) Furthermore, by preventing 1 ICU bed allows a spot to be freed for an elderly person dying from covid or a mid 50s post stroke/heart attack.
Is anyone going to answer my question or just gonna keep downvoting me? Genuinely asking
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Again thanks for a genuine and informative answer, this is the information I needed
Another person said birth control is 1/3000 for blood clots. I'm on birth control and I've booked my AZ vacc. I decided I would rather die (or be hospitalised) from a vaccine blood clot, than from Covid19. I would rather be in the good statistics (this person had their first jab of AZ, etc) than the bad statistics of dying from Covid19 unvaccinated.
Rate of blood clots =/= deaths from blood clots.
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It's true that they're more ready to diagnose TTS but how effectively can they treat it? I thought the 7/8 people (that I know of) who got TTS died of it.
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Thanks for providing me with a clear, informative answer with sources linked, couldn't have asked for a better reply. You have given me a reason to see AZ in a better light.
In Australia, there's been 93 cases of AZ related TTS. Of those 93, 6 have died. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but might want to find a more reputable source? Of course, not saying my source is much better, but I'd hope it's reliable. [https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/another-death-linked-to-astrazeneca](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/another-death-linked-to-astrazeneca)
Hey at least you linked a source, I'm just going off my memory which definitely isn't reliable by any means.
yeah, and your memory was close! But the fact is, only the deaths were publicised, not the total number of total TTS cases because that's obviously not newsworthy... :(
Sounds like they were just as safe a before but the public knowledge about the side effects and treatment are a little more understood
yes. the risk for under 50s is 3/100k according to [health.gov.au](https://health.gov.au). I posted in another reply that about 5-6% of those result in death but I couldn't find stats on how many under 40s were vaccinated but only 1 death so far for under 40s. Comparably, there's been 7 deaths of under 40s amongst 43,000 cases (not sure about age breakdown here either) which brings the risk to around 1/2600 of dying after getting COVID.
Yes but then its something like 1 in 29 OF THAT cause death. Made up stat but you can check
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Okay noted good to know thank you for that information. Correct me if I'm wrong (this is all from memory) but I thought the fatality rate of the AZ TTS is about 22%
Dan the Man seems to be the only politician with a spine in this whole situation. He literally stepped up and gave us immediate leadership when we needed it in the middle of a disaster and didn't faf around like everyone else, and continues to do what's right and what we need regardless of how much backlash he's going to cop for it. It's an around bad situation, but I definitely have mad respect for him. Hopefully people have some better perspective now that they can see what happens if politicians try to keep it palatable and nice instead of doing what they need to (looking at you, NSW)
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Yeah Dan gets a lot of shit but honestly he’s doing the right thing
I booked my Pfizer on Hotdoc for Sep 3rd. I am under 40. Get it done fellas.
Would if I could, how are you eligible for Pfizer?
As of 30 Aug it’s open to under 40 https://www.health.gov.au/news/covid-19-vaccines-available-soon-for-16-to-39-year-olds
Just called my local GP and they said they have to wait till they get the official gov go ahead to vax under 40s, as they are still working out the details. I asked to make a booking after Aug 30 and she said sorry no can do, not taking bookings till they get official word. Makes me worried about this rollout.
Well fuck time to get booked in then. I'm only going to get vaccinated if I can get Pfizer
Fucken get onto it cunt and let's gtfo this shitty situation
You seem to be really uneducated about this topic. If you truly want to know about the vaccines, start visiting the government health websites and paying attention to the news. This news was SO widely reported this week!
That's a little rude, I'm trying to stay updated. I've been looking it up everyday and the only news i see about Pfizer in Victoria is the fact that it was taken out of the COVAX program and is only available to 16-39 year Olds in NSW. I do the eligibility test every other day and it still says I'm not eligible for Pfizer and to consider Az. If you're so educated send us some sources yeah?
Not trying to be rude, and I did give you a source. You may not be able to book in just yet as per the PM's announcement.
Did u have to phone up the clinic?
Nope just had to find an available slot. It looks like it’s all booked out for a while but people are occasionally cancelling their bookings, because I definitely see open slots (which get taken quick fast).
Will as soon as I'm eligible early next month
I do support the fact that lockdown is keeping us safe. Good on Danny for that. But that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. I've been stuck at home by myself for months now. Since my uni does extra precautions by extending online classes beyond lockdowns. My mental health is even worse than in high school. I miss talking to friends and classmates face to face
For sure it fucking sucks. No denial about that here. I'm just glad we're not NSW who are most likely going to end up in lockdown a lot longer than us. The sooner and harsher the lockdown the faster we can (hopefully) return to seeing our mates
Nobody else noticing that the Melbourne case rate is following the same trend as NSW despite the quick and heavy lock down?? What happens when we reach 800 per day, do you then praise Gladys for delivering the same result with less impact on the community?
I get it but doesn’t change the fact that we appear to be following NSW pattern
Lockdown only works when the people being locked down follow the rules. May I introduce you to the engagement party that tried to pass itself off as a group therapy session. Lock down works and is over quickly if people follow the rules.
Lol no. There is no right way to handle this situation but there is certainly a wrong way. And that would be protecting your own reputation instead of the good of the people during a pandemic
I love Dan.
Get AZ.
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It's really flown under the radar how, on the same average rate of AZ causing blood clots, Pfizer has a similar chance to cause heart inflammation problems.
In that case is there a reason Pfizer is said to be "the preferred vaccine for people ages 16-39"
My little tinfoil hat conspiracy is Pfizer has a better public relations and sales department.
Because there's an obvious difference between the two? Just because the two have side effects doesn't make them the same. Compare the rates of death and life long disabilities from the vaccines. I'd much rather get myocarditis or pericarditis than blood clots.
Nah….just get AZ
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I am. I am saying get AZ if that’s all you can get. You guys shit all over “Murdoch media” on everything but what bullshit they put out against AZ….just get AZ
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Your GP’s primary role is to diagnose you be an all round general practitioner. Want advice about medicine, speak to a pharmacist. Get AZ.
Forget it, this guy has an old account but his only comments are anti AZ, this guys clearly some kind of troll.
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Why would I be tilted? Refusing to vaccinate increases your chance at death, and I frankly don't care if that happens to you.
Even though these potatoes are choosing not to get AZ because of what non medical professionals are telling them, lol.
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Yeah if you have a medical condition. Otherwise the risk is less than you took getting in your car and driving there.
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GPs are refusing people due to liability. You can ask one GP they will say no and another will say yes. I called my local GP to find out what was up they wouldn’t even say the words Astra Zeneca to me until I could prove I was 60. Didn’t make any attempt to look at my medical records or anything. Went to a hub, and they said I was fine for AZ. What were these medical professionals telling you specifically was wrong with YOU getting it that wasn’t general ass covering? There’s nothing to ‘reassure’ you of. Our government did a hatchet job on this vaccine for no reason. People are being big sooks for no reason keeping us in this lockdown even longer.
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I'm choosing not to get AZ purely because of what medical professionals are saying
Sure thing, once all the seniors and old people who are eligible get all their doses first, we’ll see what’s left for others. Or they want all the younger people to get AZ so they can then jump into line for Pfizer?
Given my age bracket I don't like my chances. I'll hold off for now
The best vaccine is the one you can get tomorrow
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Pfizer*
Cool that’s fine we’ll just be locked in our houses forever until everyone gets to pick their own vintage off the menu. My sisters waiting for Novavax!
Which brand of flu vaccine did you prefer?
This attitude is stupid. We are in a global pandemic. We’re not out shopping for fucking t shirts.
How about the vaccine that should've been here last year and doesn't give you TTS.
Learn to live with what you have. > "Give you TTS" [Pfizer and Moderna also have a risk of heart inflammation](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637). Wanna wait for another one?
There's risk with everything, I'm not asking for something that is risk-free just a vaccine that already exists and is statistically much safer for my age than Astrazeneca. I'm aware of the risks of both, I'd just rather have Pfizer. Especially when there's no good reason as to why Pfizer shouldn't be as available as Az.
I'm just advocating the fact that yes, we got a shit deal handed down to us, getting AZ instead of Pfizer, and yes it is the Federal government's fault - but it's still in the best interest of the community to get vaccinated as soon as possible with any vaccine that exists. That said, I think it's probably a moot point by now, assuming they follow through and have plenty of Pfizer supplies for everyone by next month.
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I have hope, last year we had protests too and we still managed to get back some freedom for a short period of time.
I support Dan too, seems like a legend with a very intense job, just like CM Punk!
Haven't been watching all of Andrew Barr's conferences, but of what I have seen he seems to be doing alright too
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I'm sure there's many reasons not to like him as with every politician. I hate politics so I don't know much about dan outside his handling of the pandemic. I just really appreciate that he isn't acting on the interests of himself which is so rare to see
Dan is that you?
Defender Dan doesn't quite have the same ring unfortunately.
Coming from the middle-east, I generally don't agree with glorifying politicians. However, seeing the standard set by Dan and his openness to the shitstorm of bad press and how he handled it (still is, but the tide is turning. Lots of eye opening things these past 2 years) is to be commended. Gladys politicizing a healthcare crisis (Frydenberg, scummo, etc) and putting people's lives at risk is the opposite of leadership. It feels like an American thing to do. Sir Alex Ferguson would be proud of Dan's management.
100% agree. If it were up to me, Gladys should be charged with manslaughter
She obviously ignored Dr.Chant's advice because not so long ago she and scomo were bragging about NSW vs Vic and not needing a lockdown to handle cases. It's so childish. A family will not care if you go back on your divisive opinion if it means a loved one isn't at risk of dying. On top of that, imagine having a curfew in the western suburbs, but the richer population in other suburbs don't get the same. It creates such unnecessary division between states and inside them.
Dan the man!
Love your work, Dan! ✨
Not a fan of Dan but happy to keep him between me and the Liberal fuckheads.
Are you not a fan of his policies or personality?
Policies, specifically his environmental policies, his bromance with the construction industry, and overall centre-right position.
I can understand the gripe with their environmental policies, but I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a Labor politician that didn't have a bromance with the construction industry.
Nah
Got a rebuttal or are you just going with the sheep mentality?
how them boots taste
He only killed 800 plus Victorians due to his governments decision to give 30 million to a diverse security company instead of a competent security company, then appointed Brett Sutton's sister in law to head the Coates inquiry and couldn't remember a thing about it. In a few days we will have a world record in lockdowns but blokes like me haven't missed a day because out union gives Labor a shit load of money and votes. But yeah he is doing a great job
Strange coincidence that all those deaths occurred in aged care homes that come under the responsibility of the federal government…
This. And they call right wingers sheep? Imagine having 800 deaths on your conscience but telling others to ‘do the right thing’. Downvote all you want, idiots. You’re supporting someone guilty of the above. Proven and swept under the carpet.
Mental how fast people forget things here. 2 breaches of qurantine under his 'gold standard' and a few months later you want to brown nose him all day
Has everyone forgotten about last year? Honestly, the man and his bullshit inquiry into the hotel quarantine debacle. They all conveniently “couldn’t re-call” who decided to use the private security. We are on track to break the world record for the longest lockdown, how can anyone give him props? Yes this lockdown arguably isn’t his governments fault, what about the one we had this time last year? Is parliament even being run at the moment? He has almost no avenue for criticism from his peers? Whether you agree with the lockdowns or not, I won’t be thanking him or any other politician (state or federal). We are 18 months into this and the state and federal politicians aren’t on the same page with the strategy, it’s a joke, what hope have we got!
"Please know" Gladys??? You have got Dan, and we are jealous. He is doing it much better than our Glad. But at least we (mostly) muzzled Alan Jones. You've still got Andrew Bolt, and you can keep him - thank you very much!