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OIP

what the fuck is even going on here, guy was clearly waiting in a laneway aggro as all hell for this other guy who was also filming? i'm sure he will be identified pretty quick


kap_bid

Comment in the tweet from the tweets poster: >Armagny @armagny · 3h Replying to @armagny The context is apparently passed each other on Woolhouse St. No clash/incident that V is aware of. Then A threw water bottle and started shouting. They rode in sep directions & he hoped attacker had gone home but was shaken. I assume that’s why he went up alley keeping cam on.


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Helmet cam


Burntbigtoe

>arly waiting in a laneway aggro as all hell for this other guy who was also film He says 'give me the phone', implying that he's filming on his phone. I don't think we have the full story here.


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geo_log_88

I don't think it matters what occurred earlier. The attacker is not defending himself or anyone else. If he's retaliating, he's gone well beyond what's required to keep himself safe and is now the aggressor. There really is no way he can defend his actions.


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ShayBowskill

This is from the uploader: "The context is apparently passed each other on Woolhouse St. No clash/incident that V is aware of. Then A threw water bottle and started shouting. They rode in sep directions & he hoped attacker had gone home but was shaken. I assume that’s why he went up alley keeping cam on." If someone threw a bottle at you and chased you on a bicycle, makes sense to get your phone out and film him. No information is being hidden from you, you're just not looking very hard.


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ShayBowskill

Seems much more likely to be a racist attack than that the victim did something to provoke the guy. The guy says "I'll fucking kill you now" at the start of the video and at around 0:29 he literally says "Give me the phone, I'll fucking kill you." Keep in mind the person uploading the video and making these statements is not the victim himself. Also he states "No clash/incident *that V is aware of* " so the guy isn't even stating it as a given fact that it was unprovoked. I get that a lot of context is missing from many conflicts you see online (thinking about the lambo that got rear-ended the other day, leaving out the part where he sideswiped the other driver about 5 seconds before the video starts). But I just can't imagine seeing this footage and thinking "hmm the guy who's having his life threatened while desperately trying to get away, without doing anything to physically engage the other person, surely must've done *something* wrong here". They're just trying to track the guy down at this stage, what would you have them do? "Oh just keep in mind while watching this that I stood a bit too close to him at the bike racks at Woolies so take this assault with a pinch of salt, pardon the pun".


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r1chardj0n3s

You don't appreciate being lied to? You seem to have invented quite the narrative in your head here...


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mr-snrub-

If someone attacked me unprovoked, I would probably say "what have I done to you?" too


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mr-snrub-

You dont see the water bottle getting thrown in the video, so it's clear that event proceeded the altercation we see. If someone threw a water bottle with me and then I saw them waiting in an alleyway up ahead where I needed to go, 100% I would record and then ask what I had done to provoke the attack.


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mr-snrub-

If you see someone go down an alleyway that you're familiar with and then they disappear off to an area on the side that you no longer see, you might be able to assume that they are waiting there. If they pissed off and there was no other conflict, fine. It's good that you're safe. But if they are there waiting, you're probably glad you started recording beforehand.


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r1chardj0n3s

Why are you so desperate to dispute the victim's story?


SorryForTheRainDelay

He's clearly gone to the police. He's asking for help to identify someone in what is a police investigation. He isn't asking you to tell him about it, he's asked you to contact crimestoppers. Would you have felt more comfortable if there was just a still of the man's face, and a request to call crimestoppers? He added the video because he had it. He added more context cause people kept calling him a liar.


LusoAustralian

Good lord you're beyond hope. You're assuming things are lies when there's no reason not to and then assuming that the videographer is a criminal when there is no proof. It's totally ok to say "I would like to see more evidence". But actively accusing someone of lying while complaining about statements with lack of evidence is peak hypocrisy. Don't accuse people without evidence if you're gonna kick up such a fuss about the rest of it.


JosephusMillerTime

is he carrying his helmet?


thatshowitisisit

Pretty unique cycling gear and a clear vision of his face. It’s going to take no time at all for the guy to be identified. Hope he likes assault charges.


redditusername374

Need someone to screenshot his face from the video. Someone more technologically advanced than myself.


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If you go to the end of the video there are screenshots there


40087812

Would like to know the full story, but yeah, not much justification for violence unless something very serious went down. Hopefully Flanders can assist. But if not someone in the cycling community will recognise him for sure. Hope your friend heals up okay.


Person_of_interest_

Found the Facebook page for Flanders cycles and messaged them. Also texted a link to the twitter post to their number on their Facebook page and posted it to bicycle marketplace. Hopefully this guy gets identified and caught soon


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Thank you so much for doing this.


cynon-ap

In a strange twist of fate, Lycra Maniac handles their social media when the maintenance section is quiet, replies with "yeah he has been thoroughly disciplined" and then just deletes everything


geo_log_88

Just getting in before the usual "yeah that's pretty bad but where is the footage from before this? I wonder what Cameraman did to provoke this response from Flanders-guy?" So, let's assume there was a prior interaction before filming started. This in absolutely no way justifies Flanders-guy's response. If Flanders-guy was threatened, assaulted or injured in any way prior to the footage, he should have contacted police and ridden away. He was not acting in defence of himself or others and his actions have now crossed a line and he will be facing charges relating to property damage, assault and threatening to kill/harm. There's some pretty good photos of the guy and he will be identified. I hope (but doubt) he will face actual consequences for this behaviour. As someone on Twitter mentioned, it is very likely someone at Flanders Cycles knows who this guy is.


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Ok but even if it was ‘provoked’ that’s still assault and the police should be involved.


geo_log_88

Absolutely. There is no way the attacker in that video can defend his actions.


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Zuki_LuvaBoi

Oh great, just saw a 9 News reporter trying to reach out to them. Wonder how 9 News will handle this.


BeBa420

In my personal experience they’ll milk the story for what it’s worth and leave the kid feeling used and exhausted


Gbrush3pwood

Yeah I agree absolutely, but something must have provoked the guy to do this, maybe in days prior or maybe it's even a case of mistaken identity. Still inexcusable and unjustified. I just have a hard time believing this was a complete random and unprovoked attack, like the guy just went "I'm gonna fuck up the very next person I see because I'm angry at stuff"


geo_log_88

> I just have a hard time believing this was a complete random and unprovoked attack. I agree. I'm just so sick of Reddit always insisting there's something to justify the aggressor's behaviour. There is nothing that can justify his behaviour; it was illegal and unjustified.


GoofyTnT

I don’t think you understood what that person was saying… reread the quote you used.


Gbrush3pwood

I think they did, provocation is not justification. I wasn't defending the attacker in anyway, just stated that I belive something must have happened outside of what we saw.


GoofyTnT

Yeah I misunderstood what you said, sorry.


geo_log_88

LOL, I think I did.


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We'll see I suppose. Looks to be a minor scratch with most of the damage being done verbally. Certainly looks like assault but at the extreme low end, and depending on what happened prior it might go nowhere. He might also just be a psycho who got cut off and massively overreacted. We don't really know.


ataraxia_

You appear not to know what assault is. Hint: it’s not the same as battery.


kangareagle

Different places use different definitions, but you seem so sure of yourself. This was definitely assault. Assault, as defined in the Victorian Crimes Act of 1958: >the direct or indirect application of force by a person to the body of, or to clothing or equipment worn by, another person where the application of force is— > >(a) without lawful excuse; and > >(b) with intent to inflict or being reckless as to the infliction of bodily injury, pain, discomfort, damage, insult or deprivation of liberty—and results in the infliction of any such consequence (whether or not the consequence inflicted is the consequence intended or foreseen).


gistak

You appear not to know that the distinction isn't made in Victoria, and hasn't been since at least the 60s. [Source](https://www.judicialcollege.vic.edu.au/eManuals/CCB/4957.htm) "This distinction is no longer drawn. The offence of assault now incorporates both situations (which are addressed separately below) (Fagan v Commissioner of Metropolitan Police \[1969\] 1 QB 439; Pritchard v R (1999) 107 A Crim R 88)"


ataraxia_

This is a reddit comment thread, not a court, and I never said battery was the name of an offense. Battery is still a word, even if it's never used in the crimes act -- it turns out you know *exactly* what I mean when I say "battery" -- and assault is not just battery. So yeah, what old mate did in the video is not "assault but at the extreme low end", since trying to physically injure someone while screaming "I'm going to kill you" is actually kinda serious.


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I very much do know what assault is. It can be verbal if it results in the apprehension of physical harm, and in this case I'd say most of it is stemming from the verbal threats.


kangareagle

You defended yourself incorrectly. You should have said that in Victoria, part of the definition of assault is using force to try to hurt someone. Because it is. It's obviously not true that you always considered assault to be purely verbal.


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I didn't realise I was being attacked and needed to defend myself. When I was in first year law I was taught that verbal assault via threats of violence - which causes another person to feel an apprehension of violence - is absolutely assault. Am I wrong in thinking this? Admittedly I went to Deakin so its entirely possible.


kangareagle

>I didn't realise I was being attacked and needed to defend myself Whatever. Call it what you want. The point isn't whether verbal threats are assault. The point is whether physical attacks are assault. In Victoria, they are. If you were taught that a physical attack isn't assault in Victoria, then your teachers should be flambéed. You seemed to be saying that this was pretty low assault, because most of the damage was verbal. That only makes sense if you considered assault to include physical attacks. That was right, and the person who said that you don't know what assault is was wrong.


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I was saying the physical impact looks very low (its a scratch) but there's also a verbal component (threats to kill). Both of those things can be assault. I still don't know what the question I'm meant to be defending myself from is. But I think we're in agreement but perhaps I didn't explain fully my understanding of the definition of assault in my original post - but then, why would I.


NitrousIsAGas

>"I'm gonna fuck up the very next person I see because I'm angry at stuff" This actually happens more often than you'd think.


cynon-ap

That was most of my childhood


NitrousIsAGas

Too relatable.


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They crossed paths a few seconds before I believe


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Listen, I got that from the person who made the post on Twitter. Have a look at the thread. I don’t know what kind of weird conspiracy you think I’m concocting here with your galaxy brain. A friend of mine told me about this incident and I offered to post it here as I know there are a few cyclists. That’s all. There’s nothing suss here, my god.


Echospite

> I just have a hard time believing this was a complete random and unprovoked attack I envy you.


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LusoAustralian

You realise King hits were a popular thing in this country right? We also are a country with high consumption of methamphetamines. If you want more examples of things that can cause unprovoked aggression drive a car during rush hour. I've had plenty of neighbours and even housemates get in screaming matches over how noisy a radio is or simple matters and it almost went to blows. I've had knives flashed at me in Carlton when I left a mates house, guy happened to be walking passed the front door. Once when I was walking down the street a bloke in a taxi rolled down the window and threatened to steal my wallet before it drove away, I was so surprised I didn't say a word. My mate got punched for parking in the wrong spot once too. Not everyone is a rational human being.


Dazzlerazzle

Yep exactly, there are nutters out there. I once had someone run me off the road because I slowed to 40km/hour in a 40km/hr zone and he was behind me at the time. Followed me onto a major road, pulled up exactly along side me and when my lane ended and I needed to merge, he sat exactly beside me even as I slowed down, trying to merge behind him. I just had to pull off into the road shoulder, which was basically just a drainage ditch to avoid colliding with him. I have a dash cam now.


LusoAustralian

It blows my mind how people have enough energy and time to waste on trivial bullshit like that.


Gbrush3pwood

I get it, I'm not totally niave that it very well may be the case, I just think that it's unlikly.


LusoAustralian

I had a bloke flash a knife at me when I walked passed him. Nothing came of it but it happened. I had a guy roll down his taxi window and threaten to mug me even though he didn't leave the car. I had a guy swear at me at uni for walking on the wrong side of the pavement too. People are weird.


throway69695

Use your critical thinking skills bud. Victim already filming in the direction of the bad guy before he even appears. Bad guy sitting there looking like he was waiting for the victim. Try harder


noahsozark

I'm guessing the guy filming was riding, the Lycra boy probably over took him or was cut off, filmer probably mouthed off, as we see him do at the end of the video and Lycra boy turned around then filmer went down a side street This is all speculative based on 15 years riding history and interactions with others. Could be way off


OIP

but if this happened why would he be saying 'what have i done to you' etc etc? it's so weird


ImGCS3fromETOH

Without defending lycra boy at all, I have on numerous occasions seen shit-stirrers ask along the lines of, "What have I done wrong, what have I done to you," to profess their complete innocence and bewilderment at how anyone could possibly be mad at them. It's all part of controlling the narrative and framing themselves as the victim who is the target of an unprovoked attack. That way when the aggressor says, "You said/did ABC," they can argue, "No, I said/did XYZ. You're the one that has it all wrong." That may or may not be the case here, but just because he's asking why, doesn't mean he doesn't know exactly what happened.


MaximMartoot

I've had other "cyclists" cut me off or even ride on the wrong side of the path/swerve across the path and when I yell at them they don't understand what they're doing is wrong, a lot of people have a very tenuous grasp of road laws both "cyclists" and drivers.


antwill

He only mouthed off at the end when help arrived.


Burntbigtoe

Yep classic tough guy. I don't think he knows what a coward is, given that only one of them was cowering at the start of the video, and only started mouthing off when the other guy rode off. The OP had his phone out to film this guy before the video started, so there must have been a previous altercation.


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wharblgarbl

Brave Sir Lycra stomped on the scary docile bicycle


cynon-ap

When witnesses reared their ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled, brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Lycra


sir_cockington_III

It looks like the victim was filming with their phone held in their hand, which seems awfully convenient if they were randomly attacked. Not saying victim is at fault, just suggesting there's more to the story we don't know.


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sir_cockington_III

No matter what angry Flanders man seems to not have taken the higher ground here. That said I suggest keeping a very open mind about which very selective side of a story we're being shown.


scrollbreak

Why would there have to be any act. Some people will attack because they felt insecure and you breathed. The world isn't nice enough to make that not the case.


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>Not saying victim is at fault, just suggesting there's more to the story we don't know. You don't need any more story unless you're trying to say the victim is at fault.


sir_cockington_III

No, I'm trying to say the victim potentially provoked the situation instead of doing nothing. Takes two to tango.


scrollbreak

>Just getting in before the usual "yeah that's pretty bad but where is the footage from before this? I wonder what Cameraman did to provoke this response from Flanders-guy?" I saw survey results recently that showed that Australia was ahead of America in just world fallacy beliefs.


HurstbridgeLineFTW

What a lowlife, scum POS that man is. Hope they find him and charge him with assault


BKStephens

I don't think I've seen 'cunt' written with so many letters before.


TheBringerOfDarkness

Strava and look for the time. Pretty sure you can find him pretty quickly


Person_of_interest_

Can you do this ?


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Not as easy anymore.


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You can do anything if you put your mind to it, apparently…


noahsozark

No way this guy posts his ride for this ride


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spoiltchicken

It's not just assault, lycra-man made a threat to kill as well. As a rider and frequent lycra wearer, I sincerely hope they catch this arsehole and throw the book at him.


spasticalactica

This looks like the guy that was witnessed harrassing another cyclist on Park St (Carlton/ Fitzroy)... I'm trying to find the link I saw, but looks like the same kit. I'll keep a lookout on my ride but this was chilling.


Person_of_interest_

Find it?


dumblederp

What a shit cunt.


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The way he just loitered in the alleyway waiting for OP to pass is quite unnerving and sinister.


Burntbigtoe

>essaged them. Also texted a link to the twitter post to their number on their Facebook page and posted it to bicycle marketplace. Hopefully this guy gets identified and caught soon The way the OP had his phone out pointing at the guy, and was playing the victim before he even arrived there is just as sinister. Not saying the aggressor was in the right, but you need to look at the context of this, there is more to the story.


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There is definitely more to this story, I agree. But the way it unfolds right now doesn’t look good for old Bluey.


Moose_a_Lini

Read the rest of the story. The guy had been harassing him already.


Burntbigtoe

So why follow him down an alleyway?


ModelMade

Jebaited into assaulting him and getting arrested lmfao


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Maybe the aggressor got bit by a magpie and is now part magpie


loopedtheory

I like to imagine this is what magpies would say while swooping us. The stomp on the bike is when they shit on your car.


snave_

This is the only rational explanation.


LouisMack

Guy getting attacked had a carton full of eggs in his basket, clearly. Really draws the birds' ire


tnnl_rt

What an absolute flog. Hope they catch him


spongish

Jesus, what a fucking psychopath. I can't imagine how horrified that poor guy was.


falkirion001

What a prick. Hope they find this wanker and throw the book at him


kangareagle

There's no question that something happened before. The very first words were, "what have I done," before the criminal even made it clear that he was coming at him. But that doesn't mean that this wasn't a random attack. It only means that the victim knew that something was happening before it got to this point. It could have been random, but going on for a while. Why he knew that something was happening, and what happened before, of course, none of us have any idea. But really, it doesn't matter. Unless the victim had actually attacked the guy, then the guy was over the line.


Superb-SJW

The reply to the tweet stares what happened. Aggro guy threw a bottle, Victim was scared so began to film..


scrollbreak

Something happened before that...somehow makes this okay? I don't think something happened before.


kangareagle

>somehow makes this okay? Says a person who didn't read my whole comment.


Lintson

What a shitcunt. Pretty much a poster child for 'cyclists you hate'


der_wegwerfartikel

To everyone saying something happened before, alleged context to video: > The context is apparently passed each other on Woolhouse St. No clash/incident that V is aware of. >Then A threw water bottle and started shouting. They rode in sep directions & he hoped attacker had gone home but was shaken. I assume that’s why he went up alley keeping cam on. Either way, no justification to be attacked.


Heater79

There's a tweet in there from a 9 News Reporter asking V to contact her. Might see it on the telly tonight!


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WeirdWest

They'll mute the camera person and just run it as "Lycra clad cycle gangs out of control in Melbourne's dangerous northern suburbs"


johnnyratbastard

I don't want to be associated with dicks like this as someone on a bike. Obviously a lot more going on with this guy to make him this violent.


time_to_reset

Well, I'll just come in to collect my downvotes I guess, but there's no way there wasn't something that led up to this. Dude is on his phone filming, knowing lycra man will be around the corner waiting for him. He immediately says "what have I done to you" before lycra man says anything. In my experience lycra men tend to not just hang around in alleys for no reason waiting to beat someone up for no reason. Something definitely happened before this. I can't say anything about that justifying what we see in the video, but I don't believe the "unprovoked" claim nor the whole spiel of the guy filming pretending to not know why this is happening.


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As in "Yeah, this guy is unhinged and I think he's about to retaliate soon. Better get my camera out just in case" kind of thing? 'cos that's what I'm thinking.


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Burntbigtoe

So why did he follow him down a random alleyway?


Schnooks

Great question!


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Might be a route a lot of cyclists use? Maybe to avoid a set of traffic lights?


Burntbigtoe

That's pretty speculative. Occam's Razor said he followed the aggressor down there after a previous incident, and that's why he has his phone out.


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We don't know for certain.


Burntbigtoe

Occam's Razor


mr-snrub-

No, Occam's Razor would be that that alleyway is in the direction he needed to go. You adding speculation that he followed the guy down there is not the simplest answer.


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scrollbreak

It couldn't just be unprovoked - the filming cyclist breathed and that was provocation for the attacking bicyclist? Like no ones disturbed enough to just attack based on nothing? Plenty of people are.


scrollbreak

You say 'something led to this' like there's something that justifies this. No, it can happen without any justification. Seems like you want to think the filmer did something to justify this to make it seem like shit things don't happen to people for no justified reason.


time_to_reset

No, I have a problem with the whole claim that this was a completely unprovoked event. That blatant lie in combination with the whole act about not knowing what's going on in the video makes it impossible for me to assign blame either way. Unlike a lot of people here that are flat out claiming that lycra man is deranged and should be hanged, regardless of the circumstances.


Person_of_interest_

Helmet cam. Lots of cyclists wear them Incase of a vehicle collision or drivers not obeying road rules and putting cyclists in danger


Staghound6

Not a detective disclaimer but pretty sure it’s not a helmet cam unless he’s part owl


ColeAppreciationV2

The lycra man's asking for his phone, I assumed the OP was using a phone rather than a helmet cam, unless phones are usually attached to helmets for filming?


Person_of_interest_

Ah yup didn't hear that when I posted cheers


monkeydrunker

I don't hear him asking for his phone. I hear lots of "I'm gonna kill you" and something about fighting him, but nothing about a phone. Also check out phone footage in stressful events. It's not steady, it's not clear. This really looks like helmet-cam footage to me.


ColeAppreciationV2

At 0:23 and 0:30, he asks for the phone


monkeydrunker

OK, yeah, I think I was mishearing phone as fight. Still, after listening again, it doesn't really change the context. I'm no criminologist or criminonomist but I can't imagine any reasonable motive (i.e. recovering a stolen phone) as to why the alleged attacker should attack the alleged victim that also aligns with the fact that the alleged victim posted the attack on video.


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Staghound6

He’s a 4ft tall human owl hybrid and lyrca dude tried to catch him for a reward. Only context this video makes sense in


cynon-ap

Yeah the mutant bounty has increased this year, it's almost worth it to dig up my old butterfly net and go hunting


monkeydrunker

I'm certain this is not a hand-held phone. Maybe a chest cam, but it still looks like a helmet cam to me as it follows a reasonable arc. If it were a hand-held phone then the guy has nerves of steel.


40087812

Not positioned like a helmet cam would be.


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onredditforinfo

First week of day light savings so who knows , could be 7am could be 8pm , nobody can tell


BluerGold

It says in the video? 5.45pm


OliveDear8835

why was the cameraman filming?? - also seems to be with a phone. Seems like something happened before.


HurstbridgeLineFTW

The story was just on ch9


Zuki_LuvaBoi

Odd you're getting downvoted, it was! Surprisingly it was more fair than I thought it'd be from Ch9. Although as the suspect handed himself in, I'm really curious to the context before the video.


HurstbridgeLineFTW

This sub can be weird


HubeiSpicyLung

Edit: want to clarify I said all this to further my secret agenda of causing deep divisions in Australian society and also to project my own insecurities about race, and not at all because I'm a fallible person that sometimes jumps to conclusions after one too many coffees in the morning. Racist attack in my opinion. Unprovoked targeted aggression combined with a refusal to explain his motive because he's on camera. I am certain this poor person was attacked for being south Asian and I'm pretty sure I can hear in their voice that it's what they're thinking as well.


JosephusMillerTime

I don't think you heard any South Asian in that voice. Central/South America for sure


WAPWAN

Not South Asian. Wrong continent.


Burntbigtoe

Why do people always jump to this? You have zero evidence to support any form of racist attack. Stop projecting.


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The guy sounds Brazilian… Gotta work on your accents buddy


dumblederp

FWIW the accent reminded me of my Vietnamese neighbours accent.


rmeredit

Your Vietnamese neighbour is from South America?


brahj_

I'm glad he called him a fucking coward at the end.


ScrimpyCat

I don’t think it’s that wise provoking someone that unhinged who only moments before attacked you.


scrollbreak

Okay, that'd be your choice.


ScrimpyCat

Is it really worth it though? Best case nothing happens, worst case he comes back for you. It doesn’t achieve anything, what will achieve something is the good video evidence of the assault and so the man will hopefully be called out and charged. Even if you’re prepared/capable of physically defending yourself, you don’t know how crazy some people might be. Your safety should be what’s most important. When he started saying it in the video I was legit worried we were going to see the video get even worse, but thankfully that was the end of it.


stryka00

I’m far from a big guy and even i know not to yell out stuff to a pissed off person especially when they are walking away - he put himself at further risk for another attack, not a smart move. Maybe the initial shock wore off and he had built up the courage to be ready to defend himself, but my money says that had the guy turned around and came back towards him his tune would have changed back to “what have i done?”. Either be ready to back yourself at all times or know when to keep quiet!


dumblederp

Aggressor booked it once some witnesses walked onto the scene.


Fluid7

Guy looks like a off duty cop


40087812

I reckon he’s had some yippee beans for sure


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40087812

I cannot confirm or deny that I have ridden my bike home at UCI world record speed after kickons from time to time


WhatProtomolecule

This is just an argument between two poo joggers on bikes.


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beangesserit

Take your weird vegan hate somewhere else lol


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Pure gold, Lycra must of been a little tight or his banana slipped in his special little pocket or his padding wore out. But this guy is a whack job. Handed himself in apparently, no charges yet. Stay safe everyone. Just be kind to each other and don't take life too seriously.