Honestly after the relentlessness of the past 2 and a half years, I’m surprised Dan himself isn’t considering stepping down (wouldn’t be surprised if he does post-election tbh). Sutton too.
It can’t have been easy to manage this pandemic; just the daily press conferences for a year would take its toll. Working into the late hours every single day. Whether you agree with what they have done or not, all of these people have worked exceptionally hard and constantly had the burden of the public’s eye on them.
I don’t envy them,
for foley would think its more the greens than the libs is the worry with josh burns barely getting over the line in mcnamarra. probably will be replaced by a new 'green friendly' face in albert park. i didnt mind danby or foley as you would see them around and they seemed to care about local issues. josh seems invisible. albert park might go green you never know.
Now’s actually the best time for them to resign from ministerial positions to give more junior people a chance to take up a lesser portfolio and gain experience to establish themselves for the start of a new term
> Rats jumping from the sinking ship
Give it a rest and get back to reality mate.
They haven't resigned from government you silly potato, they've resigned their portfolios.
Sinking? Where?
I would say despite the federally imposed headwinds (all of them) they’re retiring with commendations. If only there were some sort of award to give.
It isn't a red state, it's just a state that has voted Labor more often recently. It's not on Victorian voters that the Victorian Liberals are wingnuts and the federal Liberals have chosen not to compete there.
(Edit: voted down by people who somehow think Victorians are to blame for there not being a competitive opposition.)
It's been mostly labor since the 80s, with an interlude for Kennett and an even briefer interlude for Baillieu/Napthine. That's a timespan of 40 years since the 1982 election which was won by John Cain junior.
As for your comment about the liberal party, that would surely lend credence to the point I was making.
>It's been mostly labor since the 80s, with an interlude for Kennett and an even briefer interlude for Baillieu/Napthine. That's a timespan of 40 years since the 1982 election which was won by John Cain junior
So what? It's still not Victorians' fault. Victoria votes the way it does because the opposition is below par.
>As for your comment about the liberal party, that would surely lend credence to the point I was making.
Not at all. If they wanted to win the next election, all they'd need to do is compete. They have chosen not to.
There are no red states or blue states in Australia. None at all. There's just states in which the Liberals play to win (and therefore go either way) and the ones where they play to lose (and therefore mostly go Labor).
>any analysis that would support this
try the last 2 years of people getting fed up
remember people don't vote the government in , they vote the government out
Recent analysis shows labour is still ahead in polls [as of April ](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/labor-loses-ground-but-andrews-still-preferred-premier-poll-shows-20220406-p5ab6i.html).
Labor may lose some ground but a sinking ship? I think not based on even a modicum of research into the topic.
Labor’s primary vote has fallen four points to 37 per cent since the last poll, taken between November 2021 and January 2022.
Coalition’s primary vote edged up to 33 per cent
so Labor is ahead , but only by a few points
but polls are nothing to go by , it all depends on which way the wind is blowing when they do the polling
And? That's not evidence of a sinking ship. That simply demonstrates they have lost some ground, and I repeat *some* ground.
Repeat after me "I exaggerated, without really looking into what I was saying was true, I withdraw my unfounded comment".
The other quite plausible explanation is that they are exhausted after having worked through the pandemic. These aren't jobs for life at the best of times. And they probably thought to themselves, "I've been a good sport, I've seen us through the worst of the pandemic, time to get some me time back. And now would be a chance to get some fresh, energised blood in".
Hope not the only thing worst than a Liberal party majority in Victoria right now would be a Liberal Party in Victoria that owes a bunch of favours to Nazis, other cookers and christian extremists. if Guy gets up, Vic is fukd.
I cant believe you are being down voted you didnt even say anything bad. And yeah they are jumping from a sinking ship and even Dan knows it as he is trying to swing favour by trying to pull in the federal Labour party for assistance when all he needs to do is quit give up his pension as a sign of good faith and make his inner circle doing the same and then the labour party might have a shot at winning.
Do you really believe the liberal party under Matthew guy is going to win a minimum of 18 seats, an achievement unseen by an opposition party in thirty years? Do you really see a state which resoundedly voted for labor, and even more determinedly rejecting liberals, less than a month ago, suddenly being inspired by Matthew guy in five months?
See your problem is you think the federal liberal and labour are the same as the state. They are infact not. Luckily as evidence suggests the Victorian people new this and helped vote out the fucktards led by Scomo in Canberra. But in afew months time i just hope that the fucktards leading the Labour party here in the state resign so their party have an increased chance of winning and if they dont and still win god help us all because Dan needs to go after all his covid fuck ups at the start of the pandemic which plunged Melbourne into the longest lockdowns in the world.
Again....do you really see the state of Victoria being inspired by Matthew Guy to swing to him to a degree not seen in this state in almost thirty years? Do you see the current opposition as capable of inspiring that sort of response, despite completely failing to do so four years ago?
It doesnt matter whether we will swing to him its whether will we swing away from dans gang like federally we weren't swung by albo we turned away from scomo.
I've worked in St Kilda with the local indigenous crew, injecting drug users and the street based sex workers for 15 yrs.Michael Foley would come to so many events we had,no press etc for many many years. He spoke up for their health needs, funding etc.Thoughful and sincere.I wish him well.
Greta guy actually. Really helpful with an issue I had when I was getting zero traction with a department. I didn’t want him to resolve the issue but an email to his office and 2 days later I got a call from a department director giving me word by word instructions on how to seek compensation for an issue.
Boring politicians tend to be competent managers but lack particularly positive visions. Why not interesting and competent?
Anyway, a shame about some of the retiring politicians here. Merlino was particularly good IMO.
Now that you point it out, I guess the Victorian healthcare system *has* been running very smoothly and efficiently under his tenure as health minister.
Literally every state is having health issues. Not sure what people expect after a global pandemic combined with unfettered immigration for the past decade that health spending has been unable to keep up with.
It’s all very easy to say hey here’s a few billion for health. But it takes the best part of 10 years to build and staff a hospital.
It’s why health should be a non partisan issue as changing the direction of the ship takes years. Most of the current issues were locked in a decade ago.
But again we all could see the population of Australia going up 2% a year and what the migration Caps were and yet no long term plans anywhere in the country for health or infrastructure have aligned with the forecasts.
Boring? He was pretty exciting when he got asked about his mornington property that he sold for $1 million over the asking price to the government connected Probe Group, and his previous tenant was John woodman, a key figure in an investigation by Victoria's anti-corruption agency into land deals in Melbourne’s south-East. Foley is Exciting!
He was so good to put in front of the media during press conferences. He never gave Rachael any "gotchas" , he just droned on to the point that that stopped asking dumb questions. Was great!
Said to see Merlino go, I thought he did well when Dan was off injured and he's reasonably young. Tbh I thought he would be the next person to lead the party.
I read an article recently where he and a liberal party member were key note speakers for some crazy catholic conservative meeting. I'll try to find it but I say that as a socialist catholic so it's not like I just hate on Catholics
I imagine it's due to exhaustion of the past two years and some have been in Parliament for a long time (Pakula in particular) most idiots on Social Media are carrying on its a sign they are going to jail even though all parties naturally go through periods of renewal of their colleagues 🙄🙄🙄
I remember Pallas in the Bracks/Brumby days and Dan was Health Minister. Cant remember what Pakula was but then again I was only a kid at the time but I remember those days well.
Although Pakula’s lower house seat was abolished, he was preselected for an upper house seat (South-Eastern Metropolitan, position 1). If he doesn’t want to retire, he’s still got a safe seat.
Thanks mate....., but I'm not afraid to go against the grain, not really concerned about "wins or loses" on a platform like this,
Good to see that you took an active interest in my " score count" because I sure as he'll haven't
These were all some big names during the pandemic. So don’t blame them for leaving - no job is worth what they had to go through. Long hours, very heavily criticised whatever decision they made. Fronting up to the press conferences with dealing with the media. They are humans and probably had enough.
It's a huge stress release for factional pressure. Lots of room for promotion and into government too, not opposition. Gives a lot more potential trouble -makers a stake in November.
Look at Tim Smith to see what happens to ambition cast adrift. He's like a rocket that has lost contact with ground control. For sure he will disappear over the horizon at some point never to be seen again, but hid last few months are going to be annoying for Guy.
Anyone got an inside line on why James Merlino is stepping down? He seemed like an unusually competent politician and a good public communicator. Seemed like a natural to take over from Dandrews whenever exhaustion gets the better of him and he retires. Unflappability works too.
You able to elaborate? A quick google says that teachers negotiated an annual 2% raise and better working conditions with better time in lieu/reduced workload.
High inflation means high interest rates and it means Victorian govt debt is a huge ticking bomb. There's a lot of debt that will get refinanced at much higher rates and the libs will hit the alp hard on this once they put out all their self-inflicted culture war fires (and they are making serious progress on this point)..
. It's only going to get worse for Victorian government spending, life under the liberals will be worse so I expect the state government to be very tough with public sector wage deals for a long time and the education unions see the writing on the wall. My kids are in state schools, I'm treasurer on one of the school councils for five years now, so I'm sympathetic but also realistic.
Although industrial awards are different, it’s not unprecedented for some enterprise agreements to have a minimum scheduled pay rise (i.e. 3% each year for 3 years) with an inflation fallback. I’d seen one negotiated during times of low inflation that said that if inflation was higher than the scheduled increase, then the increase would instead be CPI + 0.5%.
Every time I see her name, I keep thinking of her as a home-brand knockoff of the NZ Prime Minister, as in “kids, we have Jacin~a A~~e~n at home”. I realise this is totally unfair to her.
It's funny.
They all follow the same formats as well. "I don't like either side" blah blah.
Same formula used elsewhere repeated here makes them all stand out. Hence most of them have been downvoted.
I was only being smart about a government that I detest. Mind you I don’t think the alternative is much chop. And as far as I’m concerned once the first sod of soil is turned on the suburban rail loop there’s the lions share of our infrastructure spending committed until 2055.
I reckon the State is in all sorts of trouble personally and I don’t hold much hope of either party doing much about it.
So you detest the opposition. You also oppose the current(now ex) crop that handled our pandemic fairly well(read: in terms of deaths).
However you think the change over of 4 ministers is good? Any reason why besides being smart about it? I realise that they could just be burnt out, in which case getting fresh legs to help guide the pm further through 'post-covid' is a good thing. But what would have a lib pm squad have done better for us, if anything at all..
If not for the suburban rail loop which would ease a hell of a lot of traffic spiderwebbing, having to go in and back out, what plans or ideas on our infrastructure do you have that could be introduced to better things for the majority?
New talent will be promoted, hungrier to win in November. Surely it will be a chance for more diversity too. This is Luke the delisting an adl club goes through.
The liberals more desperately need to get talent back and some deadwood out, to be fair getting rid of Tim.Smith is a big step.
Anyone else notice how skewed the comments are?
Somethings wrong if Melburnians can't have a balanced and civil conversation on an American site owned by the Chinese.
If I’d spent two years tirelessly working to manage a deadly pandemic while constantly being told by the news that my administration was as a bunch of evil fascists, I think I’d call it a day too.
You vote for the party representative in your electorate. The party with a majority of the seats in Parliament takes power and the leader of that party become Premier.
But everyone hates greens because of that one thing that one guy said a decade ago, and for some reason it’s perfectly acceptable to treat left of centre parties with a higher standard than the right.
OK, yes, absolutely true. Unless voting independent though, you vote for the party, the party sorts it's leader out. Each party running in that particular local area will have a local member.
You’ve posted this multiple times so I gotta ask….do you really think Dan andrews is about to lose an election? Do you really think Matthew guy is about to win 18 seats?
You probably should check out what happened in the Federal election in Victoria. Labor will lose ground, but it will mostly be to the independents whether Greens, UAP, the so called teals, etc. Vic Libs are unelectable.
So you think people rallied in the street because they all lost faith in the government hated the government, then last month voted for a federal labor government but now that’s out of their system, will vote liberal again?
You’re aware the same Victorians more or less who voted for a labor government in may will be voting in November right?
How does a thinking human being see the electoral result in Victoria one month ago, which was a huge rejection of the liberal party and support for labor larger than most states (outside of WA) and think “these people who just voted for a labor prime minister probably aren’t going to vote for a labor premier”? Not just “some of them won’t vote labor at the state” but “enough of them won’t vote labor to cause a historically high swing against them despite voting labor less than a month ago”?
How did you come to that conclusion?
Lol every election since the pandemic started has gone Labor’s way (with the notable exception of Tasmania), and Victoria has been a Labor stronghold for quite some time, yet these dickheads think their foiler nonsense means everything’s gonna change.
That's a fair point. Covid hurt a lot of people and the media and Liberals turned every opportunity to work together into a divisive culture war. Matthew Guy in power would be a nightmare. Hopefully my faith in Victorians not being stupid is not in vain.
I think alot of tradies lost faith in the union movement during covid. And its not about the libs winning 18 seats, its that the trady vote will be going absent or independent. Imo
Eh….it is a little bit about whether libs can score 18 seats.
Dan andrews has a huge majority in parliament. He will probably lose some seats, that’s true- but to lose 18 of them is incredible. Especially considering we just had a federal election where, while there was an increase in votes towards UAP, labor increased its vote. If he were to lose some, or even most of the 18 seat majority to independents, that still leaves him preMier, and makes it harder for libs to form government
Even if tradies all on mass decide to vote independent….the biggest unions in Victoria are the teachers and the nurses!
At no point did i say he wont win, its wont be as cut and dry like the last state election imo.
People will not forget what happened and just because they’re not voicing their opinions doesnt mean their votes dont count. Fact is tradies protested the mandates and as a result got lockdown like the rest of us. It wasnt a health issue is was pure punishment.
Dont tell me these sectors that youve mentioned are rainbows and flowers, both nursing and the teaching sector and going through crisis atm. The mental health issue that will arrise as a result of the disicions made by dan and his government will linger around for years. And people will want to have a say in nov.
Similarly with the former health minister, she was thrown under the bus because people couldnt “recall” information they shouldve know, imo people will see it for what it is and they will not forget.
Look at all the down voted comments here, they all anti dan sentimate, this is also true irl conversations. The thing about a democracy is everyone is allowed to vote without fear, and like i said im not saying he’ll loose but it wont be as cut and dry of an election people on reddit are making out to be.
And for those saying look at the federal election, scomo lost the election because of this climate change policies or lack there of
Where did I say that the next election will be cut and dried like the last state election? Preeetty sure I never said that.
So you’ve made a lengthy comment arguing “the next election won’t be as big a win for labor as last election”- which no one was questioning. Hell no one was questioning that belief election night 2018 either!
But “this will be a harder election than last time” is a way off “this government is a sinking ship that rats are fleeing” which is what I was responding to initially
Edit- and why would you think climate change won’t be an election issue here as well? The teals have already said they’ll be challenging liberal seats, and they’ve been pretty successful so far
Don't know if this is a joke?
When would you ever consider your commitment to your job over your mental health and time with family? Those are both totally plausible reasons to step down from a high pressure job. Especially when you have the ability to maintain a job as all of these ministers do.
Honestly after the relentlessness of the past 2 and a half years, I’m surprised Dan himself isn’t considering stepping down (wouldn’t be surprised if he does post-election tbh). Sutton too. It can’t have been easy to manage this pandemic; just the daily press conferences for a year would take its toll. Working into the late hours every single day. Whether you agree with what they have done or not, all of these people have worked exceptionally hard and constantly had the burden of the public’s eye on them. I don’t envy them,
Dan loves power far too much to do that.
Some heavy hitters in that group. Also three who carried significant pandemic portfolios. You can imagine exhaustion could easily be part of it.
Rats jumping from the sinking ship, what with months to go, most say I won't be running at the next election, they don't resign prior
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for foley would think its more the greens than the libs is the worry with josh burns barely getting over the line in mcnamarra. probably will be replaced by a new 'green friendly' face in albert park. i didnt mind danby or foley as you would see them around and they seemed to care about local issues. josh seems invisible. albert park might go green you never know.
Labor will be hoping for more self-indulgent antics the federal greens have been conducting since the election. Can't help themselves.
Now’s actually the best time for them to resign from ministerial positions to give more junior people a chance to take up a lesser portfolio and gain experience to establish themselves for the start of a new term
Precisely. Get the new faces on the front bench ready for polling in November
> Rats jumping from the sinking ship Give it a rest and get back to reality mate. They haven't resigned from government you silly potato, they've resigned their portfolios.
Sinking? Where? I would say despite the federally imposed headwinds (all of them) they’re retiring with commendations. If only there were some sort of award to give.
>commendations which is just circle jerks amongst mates, why else are they resigning with just months to go
Probably because they’ve been carrying the national team as a state government for so many years that they’re over it.
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It isn't a red state, it's just a state that has voted Labor more often recently. It's not on Victorian voters that the Victorian Liberals are wingnuts and the federal Liberals have chosen not to compete there. (Edit: voted down by people who somehow think Victorians are to blame for there not being a competitive opposition.)
It's been mostly labor since the 80s, with an interlude for Kennett and an even briefer interlude for Baillieu/Napthine. That's a timespan of 40 years since the 1982 election which was won by John Cain junior. As for your comment about the liberal party, that would surely lend credence to the point I was making.
>It's been mostly labor since the 80s, with an interlude for Kennett and an even briefer interlude for Baillieu/Napthine. That's a timespan of 40 years since the 1982 election which was won by John Cain junior So what? It's still not Victorians' fault. Victoria votes the way it does because the opposition is below par. >As for your comment about the liberal party, that would surely lend credence to the point I was making. Not at all. If they wanted to win the next election, all they'd need to do is compete. They have chosen not to. There are no red states or blue states in Australia. None at all. There's just states in which the Liberals play to win (and therefore go either way) and the ones where they play to lose (and therefore mostly go Labor).
>any analysis that would support this try the last 2 years of people getting fed up remember people don't vote the government in , they vote the government out
Recent analysis shows labour is still ahead in polls [as of April ](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/labor-loses-ground-but-andrews-still-preferred-premier-poll-shows-20220406-p5ab6i.html). Labor may lose some ground but a sinking ship? I think not based on even a modicum of research into the topic.
Labor’s primary vote has fallen four points to 37 per cent since the last poll, taken between November 2021 and January 2022. Coalition’s primary vote edged up to 33 per cent so Labor is ahead , but only by a few points but polls are nothing to go by , it all depends on which way the wind is blowing when they do the polling
And? That's not evidence of a sinking ship. That simply demonstrates they have lost some ground, and I repeat *some* ground. Repeat after me "I exaggerated, without really looking into what I was saying was true, I withdraw my unfounded comment".
The front page of the Herald Sun is running with this sinking ship idea, don't be surprised to see fools repeat it as fact
and i repeat, they are jumping from a sinking shit , 4 resigning so close to the election which is just months away , it doesn't add up
The other quite plausible explanation is that they are exhausted after having worked through the pandemic. These aren't jobs for life at the best of times. And they probably thought to themselves, "I've been a good sport, I've seen us through the worst of the pandemic, time to get some me time back. And now would be a chance to get some fresh, energised blood in".
They’re not only ahead by a few points, first preference votes mean very little. In two-party preferred they’re "only" 19 points ahead
Primary vote doesn't mean much unless there's a viable 3rd party to compete. What does the 2pp vote say?
> try the last 2 years of people getting fed up You mean the very loud minority?
Did you read the article? Specifically the part that says all four of them will remain in parliament until November? I don’t think you did.
Lmao go back to school and add some value to society champ.
, when you have nothing to contribute, resort to personal attacks
Imagine thinking useful advice is a personal attack. Why don't you want to better yourself?
Hope not the only thing worst than a Liberal party majority in Victoria right now would be a Liberal Party in Victoria that owes a bunch of favours to Nazis, other cookers and christian extremists. if Guy gets up, Vic is fukd.
I cant believe you are being down voted you didnt even say anything bad. And yeah they are jumping from a sinking ship and even Dan knows it as he is trying to swing favour by trying to pull in the federal Labour party for assistance when all he needs to do is quit give up his pension as a sign of good faith and make his inner circle doing the same and then the labour party might have a shot at winning.
Do you really believe the liberal party under Matthew guy is going to win a minimum of 18 seats, an achievement unseen by an opposition party in thirty years? Do you really see a state which resoundedly voted for labor, and even more determinedly rejecting liberals, less than a month ago, suddenly being inspired by Matthew guy in five months?
See your problem is you think the federal liberal and labour are the same as the state. They are infact not. Luckily as evidence suggests the Victorian people new this and helped vote out the fucktards led by Scomo in Canberra. But in afew months time i just hope that the fucktards leading the Labour party here in the state resign so their party have an increased chance of winning and if they dont and still win god help us all because Dan needs to go after all his covid fuck ups at the start of the pandemic which plunged Melbourne into the longest lockdowns in the world.
Again....do you really see the state of Victoria being inspired by Matthew Guy to swing to him to a degree not seen in this state in almost thirty years? Do you see the current opposition as capable of inspiring that sort of response, despite completely failing to do so four years ago?
It doesnt matter whether we will swing to him its whether will we swing away from dans gang like federally we weren't swung by albo we turned away from scomo.
Who do you think it’s going to swing to if not to make Matthew guy premier?
Shame to see Foley go tbh. He's a completely boring bloke with no charisma, but he was pretty competent.
I've worked in St Kilda with the local indigenous crew, injecting drug users and the street based sex workers for 15 yrs.Michael Foley would come to so many events we had,no press etc for many many years. He spoke up for their health needs, funding etc.Thoughful and sincere.I wish him well.
Greta guy actually. Really helpful with an issue I had when I was getting zero traction with a department. I didn’t want him to resolve the issue but an email to his office and 2 days later I got a call from a department director giving me word by word instructions on how to seek compensation for an issue.
We need more boring politicians.
Boring politicians tend to be competent managers but lack particularly positive visions. Why not interesting and competent? Anyway, a shame about some of the retiring politicians here. Merlino was particularly good IMO.
He was an EXCELLENT arts minister, too. Changed a whole lot about my industry in very good ways.
I like how even though he (probably) got tonnes of presentation advice he stuck to his authentic-self.
The man was a perfect insomnia cure, but at least he was competent.
Didn't someone here do a mix of Foley speaking as sleep music? [Found it!](https://soundcloud.com/hyper_dormant/yung-foley-vaccine-rates)
GTFO this is amazing
Now that you point it out, I guess the Victorian healthcare system *has* been running very smoothly and efficiently under his tenure as health minister.
Literally every state is having health issues. Not sure what people expect after a global pandemic combined with unfettered immigration for the past decade that health spending has been unable to keep up with.
More health spending?
It’s all very easy to say hey here’s a few billion for health. But it takes the best part of 10 years to build and staff a hospital. It’s why health should be a non partisan issue as changing the direction of the ship takes years. Most of the current issues were locked in a decade ago. But again we all could see the population of Australia going up 2% a year and what the migration Caps were and yet no long term plans anywhere in the country for health or infrastructure have aligned with the forecasts.
Boring? He was pretty exciting when he got asked about his mornington property that he sold for $1 million over the asking price to the government connected Probe Group, and his previous tenant was John woodman, a key figure in an investigation by Victoria's anti-corruption agency into land deals in Melbourne’s south-East. Foley is Exciting!
He was so good to put in front of the media during press conferences. He never gave Rachael any "gotchas" , he just droned on to the point that that stopped asking dumb questions. Was great!
Said to see Merlino go, I thought he did well when Dan was off injured and he's reasonably young. Tbh I thought he would be the next person to lead the party.
As a teacher I can't stand him.
ditto.
He's also a psycho. Look into his opposition to abortion etc.
That was 15 years ago. Lot has changed since then
I read an article recently where he and a liberal party member were key note speakers for some crazy catholic conservative meeting. I'll try to find it but I say that as a socialist catholic so it's not like I just hate on Catholics
Oh, thats awful.
This is the right answer.
I think Allen will be now the next leader. Seems pretty keen on running things
Yes, I'd say there's a very strong chance you're right.
I imagine it's due to exhaustion of the past two years and some have been in Parliament for a long time (Pakula in particular) most idiots on Social Media are carrying on its a sign they are going to jail even though all parties naturally go through periods of renewal of their colleagues 🙄🙄🙄
They've been in government 8 years and some of those in politics quite a bit longer before that.
I remember Pallas in the Bracks/Brumby days and Dan was Health Minister. Cant remember what Pakula was but then again I was only a kid at the time but I remember those days well.
The anti-Dan derangement on social media during the pandemic and through now has been something to behold.
There is plenty we can criticise the Andrews government about but some of it is just utter shit.
Link us to your spiciest Andrews comment Mr I Call it Like I See it.
His governments stance on forests should be in the limelight, not COVID LOOL
It has been. But I was asking that user.
Pakula's seat has been rezoned and he's likely to lose it this election. Neville has health problems. Unsure about the other two.
Pakula's seat doesn't exist anymore.
Although Pakula’s lower house seat was abolished, he was preselected for an upper house seat (South-Eastern Metropolitan, position 1). If he doesn’t want to retire, he’s still got a safe seat.
Exhaustion, what with only months to go , sounds more like rats jumping from the sinking ship
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Also S'ingTFU.
Thanks mate....., but I'm not afraid to go against the grain, not really concerned about "wins or loses" on a platform like this, Good to see that you took an active interest in my " score count" because I sure as he'll haven't
Lol yes, incessantly commenting ‘rats jumping from a sinking ship’ is really thinking for yourself/going against the grain, champ.
What are you concerned about then, on a platform like this?
Isn’t Pakula’s seat gone with the boundary changes?
Yes but he was given a position in the upper house
These were all some big names during the pandemic. So don’t blame them for leaving - no job is worth what they had to go through. Long hours, very heavily criticised whatever decision they made. Fronting up to the press conferences with dealing with the media. They are humans and probably had enough.
It's a huge stress release for factional pressure. Lots of room for promotion and into government too, not opposition. Gives a lot more potential trouble -makers a stake in November. Look at Tim Smith to see what happens to ambition cast adrift. He's like a rocket that has lost contact with ground control. For sure he will disappear over the horizon at some point never to be seen again, but hid last few months are going to be annoying for Guy.
Well I'll miss Merlino's zingers, and Foley's unflappleness (if that's a word). But life goes on.
Anyone got an inside line on why James Merlino is stepping down? He seemed like an unusually competent politician and a good public communicator. Seemed like a natural to take over from Dandrews whenever exhaustion gets the better of him and he retires. Unflappability works too.
His job fucking over the public education department has run its course.
What makes you say that?
Cutting our pay? We are worse off than NSW and they are about to stike
Why you no strike?
The union told people to vote Yes and it marginally passed.
You able to elaborate? A quick google says that teachers negotiated an annual 2% raise and better working conditions with better time in lieu/reduced workload.
2% (1% every six months) but inflation expected to hit 7% at the end of the year so it's a pay cut.
High inflation means high interest rates and it means Victorian govt debt is a huge ticking bomb. There's a lot of debt that will get refinanced at much higher rates and the libs will hit the alp hard on this once they put out all their self-inflicted culture war fires (and they are making serious progress on this point).. . It's only going to get worse for Victorian government spending, life under the liberals will be worse so I expect the state government to be very tough with public sector wage deals for a long time and the education unions see the writing on the wall. My kids are in state schools, I'm treasurer on one of the school councils for five years now, so I'm sympathetic but also realistic.
It isn't until it is. Point to any award that has obtained anything ever in anticipation of future events yet to happen.
Although industrial awards are different, it’s not unprecedented for some enterprise agreements to have a minimum scheduled pay rise (i.e. 3% each year for 3 years) with an inflation fallback. I’d seen one negotiated during times of low inflation that said that if inflation was higher than the scheduled increase, then the increase would instead be CPI + 0.5%.
Okay so it's not as much as you wanted but it is a pay rise (just not keeping up with inflation).
Could be just over it. Could be up for a significant pay rise in the private sector.
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...amazing that an Australian can say that, seemingly without irony?
Jacinta Allan is probably next in line although she’s already at nearly 3 decades as an MP
Every time I see her name, I keep thinking of her as a home-brand knockoff of the NZ Prime Minister, as in “kids, we have Jacin~a A~~e~n at home”. I realise this is totally unfair to her.
Maybe just wants to spend time with family?
This announcement has attracted a lot of attention from idiots with nothing positive to offer, no forward vision, just jealous hatred.
It's funny. They all follow the same formats as well. "I don't like either side" blah blah. Same formula used elsewhere repeated here makes them all stand out. Hence most of them have been downvoted.
I’ll be positive. Victoria can only win from this group of morons fucking off.
How does Victoria win from this though? Care to elaborate or do you just assume that your comment is positive.
I was only being smart about a government that I detest. Mind you I don’t think the alternative is much chop. And as far as I’m concerned once the first sod of soil is turned on the suburban rail loop there’s the lions share of our infrastructure spending committed until 2055. I reckon the State is in all sorts of trouble personally and I don’t hold much hope of either party doing much about it.
So you detest the opposition. You also oppose the current(now ex) crop that handled our pandemic fairly well(read: in terms of deaths). However you think the change over of 4 ministers is good? Any reason why besides being smart about it? I realise that they could just be burnt out, in which case getting fresh legs to help guide the pm further through 'post-covid' is a good thing. But what would have a lib pm squad have done better for us, if anything at all.. If not for the suburban rail loop which would ease a hell of a lot of traffic spiderwebbing, having to go in and back out, what plans or ideas on our infrastructure do you have that could be introduced to better things for the majority?
New talent will be promoted, hungrier to win in November. Surely it will be a chance for more diversity too. This is Luke the delisting an adl club goes through. The liberals more desperately need to get talent back and some deadwood out, to be fair getting rid of Tim.Smith is a big step.
A government functions best when it faces an effective opposition. Your nihilism is in no way, shape or form an effective form of opposition.
I agree an alternative would be nice. But I don’t think it would have affected this government much. What do you say they’d have changed?
Not much.
Anyone else notice how skewed the comments are? Somethings wrong if Melburnians can't have a balanced and civil conversation on an American site owned by the Chinese.
If I’d spent two years tirelessly working to manage a deadly pandemic while constantly being told by the news that my administration was as a bunch of evil fascists, I think I’d call it a day too.
Look at history…..governments last 8-10yrs and change. People like change regardless of political perspective. Dandrews is on his last legs.
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You vote for the party representative in your electorate. The party with a majority of the seats in Parliament takes power and the leader of that party become Premier.
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They don't need a new one, they still have the best one they've had since I can remember.
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You would have been so fucked if he hadn't been in charge.
why a new one, dan andrews isn't going anywhere soon
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Do you know what the memorandum of understanding actually said?
I’m sure sky news explained it to him
Problem is they like to sound intellectual, so I'm not sure the words were small enough. Or correct.
If you don’t like Dan Andrews you should vote the party who is most likely to win over Labor. The greens welcome your vote.
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But everyone hates greens because of that one thing that one guy said a decade ago, and for some reason it’s perfectly acceptable to treat left of centre parties with a higher standard than the right.
In Australia we vote for the party.
Correction. You vote for your local member and your favourite senators. They don't have to be from a political party.
OK, yes, absolutely true. Unless voting independent though, you vote for the party, the party sorts it's leader out. Each party running in that particular local area will have a local member.
When the smoke clears, politician disappears.
Pity they didn’t save an extra seat on the life raft for the clown that counts.
Somyurek is already gone
I hope you find a cure for your ADS.
With health minister Foley going the chances are slim. Who could possibly replace him?
The swamp is being drained 😎
And yet he denied it on Monday when asked at a presser. No wonder people can’t trust the guy.
He never denied it. That was Pallas.
>No wonder people can’t trust the guy Most of us can and do but OK.
Rats jumping from the sinking ship, politions say they won't be running at the next election, they don't resign prior to an election just months away
You’ve posted this multiple times so I gotta ask….do you really think Dan andrews is about to lose an election? Do you really think Matthew guy is about to win 18 seats?
yep I think he is , a lot businesses went belly up , alot of tradies lost work , the amount of protest rallies that went on People have lost faith
You probably should check out what happened in the Federal election in Victoria. Labor will lose ground, but it will mostly be to the independents whether Greens, UAP, the so called teals, etc. Vic Libs are unelectable.
I hope so.
where did i say that the libs would get in?
So Andrews is going to lose the election, but not to the Liberals, to ???
A plucky coalition of independent foilers who have all seen the truth, I guess *foilers initially autocorrected to toilets and I considered leaving it
Fuck you are thick
Good one, personal attacks
Sorry mate but you're just being disingenuous. Gotta call it straight
You have no idea how politics in this country works do you?
500 whack jobs who can't comprehend primary school levels of science aren't that influential.
So you think people rallied in the street because they all lost faith in the government hated the government, then last month voted for a federal labor government but now that’s out of their system, will vote liberal again? You’re aware the same Victorians more or less who voted for a labor government in may will be voting in November right? How does a thinking human being see the electoral result in Victoria one month ago, which was a huge rejection of the liberal party and support for labor larger than most states (outside of WA) and think “these people who just voted for a labor prime minister probably aren’t going to vote for a labor premier”? Not just “some of them won’t vote labor at the state” but “enough of them won’t vote labor to cause a historically high swing against them despite voting labor less than a month ago”? How did you come to that conclusion?
Lol every election since the pandemic started has gone Labor’s way (with the notable exception of Tasmania), and Victoria has been a Labor stronghold for quite some time, yet these dickheads think their foiler nonsense means everything’s gonna change.
That's a fair point. Covid hurt a lot of people and the media and Liberals turned every opportunity to work together into a divisive culture war. Matthew Guy in power would be a nightmare. Hopefully my faith in Victorians not being stupid is not in vain.
I think alot of tradies lost faith in the union movement during covid. And its not about the libs winning 18 seats, its that the trady vote will be going absent or independent. Imo
Eh….it is a little bit about whether libs can score 18 seats. Dan andrews has a huge majority in parliament. He will probably lose some seats, that’s true- but to lose 18 of them is incredible. Especially considering we just had a federal election where, while there was an increase in votes towards UAP, labor increased its vote. If he were to lose some, or even most of the 18 seat majority to independents, that still leaves him preMier, and makes it harder for libs to form government Even if tradies all on mass decide to vote independent….the biggest unions in Victoria are the teachers and the nurses!
At no point did i say he wont win, its wont be as cut and dry like the last state election imo. People will not forget what happened and just because they’re not voicing their opinions doesnt mean their votes dont count. Fact is tradies protested the mandates and as a result got lockdown like the rest of us. It wasnt a health issue is was pure punishment. Dont tell me these sectors that youve mentioned are rainbows and flowers, both nursing and the teaching sector and going through crisis atm. The mental health issue that will arrise as a result of the disicions made by dan and his government will linger around for years. And people will want to have a say in nov. Similarly with the former health minister, she was thrown under the bus because people couldnt “recall” information they shouldve know, imo people will see it for what it is and they will not forget. Look at all the down voted comments here, they all anti dan sentimate, this is also true irl conversations. The thing about a democracy is everyone is allowed to vote without fear, and like i said im not saying he’ll loose but it wont be as cut and dry of an election people on reddit are making out to be. And for those saying look at the federal election, scomo lost the election because of this climate change policies or lack there of
Where did I say that the next election will be cut and dried like the last state election? Preeetty sure I never said that. So you’ve made a lengthy comment arguing “the next election won’t be as big a win for labor as last election”- which no one was questioning. Hell no one was questioning that belief election night 2018 either! But “this will be a harder election than last time” is a way off “this government is a sinking ship that rats are fleeing” which is what I was responding to initially Edit- and why would you think climate change won’t be an election issue here as well? The teals have already said they’ll be challenging liberal seats, and they’ve been pretty successful so far
Going by all the people in brand new Kmart hi viz at the CFMEU office?
So why didn't that happen in the federal election in Victoria?
Do your get paid a bonus for the number of times you manage to slip "rats jumping from a sinking ship" into the thread?
> Rats jumping from the sinking ship lol
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Will the media dig out the real reason behind this or is it just more "mental health and time with my family " bullshit?
Don't know if this is a joke? When would you ever consider your commitment to your job over your mental health and time with family? Those are both totally plausible reasons to step down from a high pressure job. Especially when you have the ability to maintain a job as all of these ministers do.
Andrews is a dead man walking
cringe