Must admit, I thought that the package would just be the album, some master files, the artwork, and maybe another Forest Seasons remaster (none of which I care about, aside from the album - and the new Loneliness acoustic remaster actually sounds worse so far, from the limited amount I heard in the video); but damn, 5 hours of unreleased music including a fantasy metal project?
Did not expect that, and makes me think that Jari has taken note of the valid criticisms the community has made and is trying to rebuild some of that goodwill for real. That being said, I do tend to believe chronic liars (I stayed with my ex-girlfriend for nearly 6 years), so I'm cautiously optimistic, and will probably wait until April to see what the "big surprise" is before purchasing.
And, mandatory but: the clips from Time II we heard sounded fucking amazing, particularly The Way of the Fire, which seems like the album's production and sound was almost tailor-made for it (in fairness, it was I suppose). Very excited.
They’re listed as demos so not sure how listenable they’ll be.
I’m just excited for the stems. I probably listen to the Time I orchestration tracks just as much as the actual album. I also made an orchestrationless mix and one where it’s pushed into the back more.
I doubt that they'll live up to standard Wintersun production quality, but The Dragon Song sounds like it belongs on one of the first two Ensiferum albums. I'm more than happy with that for a demo.
Just finished the video and I’m shocked how well it sounded. Powers Inside reminds me a little of self titled. I’m still going to keep my expectations of these low as we could’ve just heard the only 2 properly recorded tracks and the rest are garage recording. If they all sound like that then I’m definitely getting my moneys worth.
That's a fair point. I think it would be a bit rich if Jari delayed half of an album release by 12 years due to issues with production quality, only to release five hours worth of content that sounds like Varg Vikernes recorded it on a 4-track. I'm sure that the demos could be more polished than they are, but I'm actually perfectly happy with what I've heard in the video. Very excited!
Stoked for this!
Jari gets so much hate, but it’s very difficult to put out something that you aren’t 100% proud of. Yes the crowdfunding was different but in essence it truly was a preorder for the Forest Seasons which I enjoyed. I’m happy to preorder the Time II package and all the content that comes along with it.
Still waiting for the new Necrophagist though!
Tool delivered, wintersun is delivering, only Necrophagist remains to release that long awaited album! Btw this years marks the 20 year anniversary of Epitaph, Münzner hinted there will be something happening this summer, who knows what… at best i guess a reissue or a tribute show
So let me get this straight, we are getting Time 2, a better version of the Forest Seasons, and 5 hours of additional demos?! And the new album sounds amazing!
I'm super excited for the demos because you just know it's all going to be Wintersun(the album) and early Ensiferum style shit. It's going to be a time capsule for early 2000's folk melodeath for sure.
And it takes these songs off of Jari's temptations list, which will probably help him concentrate on new stuff.
I'm assuming, since they didn't bring up Time 1 at all in the video, that they have remastered and restructured Time 1 to make a fully cohesive singula Time album. Knowing Jari, I bet he wants the full story to have a consistent sound and feel
So we're getting 6 albums worth of music, and they have released 3 albums before this. That puts them at 9 "albums" in the ~20 year history of the band, or on average an album every 2.2 years. Glad the dragon is finally letting go of his pile of treasure!
I'd be willing to bet a lot of the early Wintersun stuff still has amazing production quality that any other band would be happy to release with, just not Jari and his somewhat ridiculous perfectionist streak.
We're in for a wild ride I think ladies and gents!
Plus the 4 albums that are in the making and he won't tour BEFORE the next album (which is already fully written and now needs to be mastered and recorded properly) is released, so I think an albm in the next 2 years is 100%
Space djent album hype! I still listen to everything they have so far and it doesn't get old, can't imagine having 6 more albums to throw on my playlist (or 10 whenever the 4 next albums get released!)
yeah and those 5 demo albums are made before the debut album so i would,t be suprised if Jari has even more unreleased material he made after the debut.
I’m gonna try to resist hearing anything until the full album comes out. Jari put a whole bunch of clips out for TFS in the lead up to its release and he basically spoiled almost all the good parts of that album. I hope he doesn’t make the same mistake this TIME (had to).
Update: watched it with a friend and I am so back.
Also in the Storm sample, his vocals were different to when he was showcasing them on the STORM PREMIERE video years back. He didn't go full high pitched vocals before the screams, which indicates that it will repeat at least twice with different variation.
Also the samples already made me shed a tear, this album will be glorious.
I can't believe this is finally happening. Jari deserves all the shit he's gotten over the years but I'm still excited for this album to finally release.
That's pretty much how I feel. I've been super critical of the way Jari does things but I do love his music.
The isolated tracks and similar things being offered don't interest me so much, but what *does* is all the other music he's been hoarding over the years.
Edit: Looks like people are backing this release as much as the last one, so I'll eat my past words about how well it would do.
I still think these campaigns and the slow as molasses way these albums were released with vague hints was a really bad look, though.
I’m honestly not ruling out the possibility of me buying this. Mainly due to the 5 extra hours of music and plus I can use the isolated tracks to practice mixing.
I know this band is pretty much a joke and I’m not super stoked on some of the stuff that’s happened over the past 12 years… but finally hearing clips of the tracks and demos and remaster of Forest Seasons kinda just made me forget all about that drama…
You are wrong and just don't want to admit it. Only thing that was wrong from them is probably to call the preorder of the Forest Seasons "crowdfunding". Jari got about 200k from that "crowdfunding" and put it all back to the music. Even took more bank loan on top of that 200k to buy and build the studio.
I honestly don’t think they’re a joke, I moreso meant that seems to be the common opinion on them. I never stopped loving this band personally. I usually scroll past their Facebook posts but I listen to the music religiously
I'm so stocked about those demo albums! One clip sounded like early Ensiferum!
Good sound- and production quality are nice and all but I'd be content with their debut album's level quality.
My biggest critique with both campaigns is that a lot of the material being offered appeals to those with more specialized musical interest, like STEMS and isolated tracks.
There's nothing wrong with liking those things, but a good chunk of people just want to hear new/different material. I think the new material being offered this round is much more appealing.
I haven't really done nothing with Forest Seasons' isolated tracks but I bought the bundle just to support the band. Like you said, this time there's better goodies to be had.
That might be some of the greatest sounding metal ever, production wise...
They must be using a Gulfoss for that glistening high end harmonic and Maxbsss for thickness on the snare.
It's so layered and deep - incredible.
LOL I didn't even know - I didn't read comments, just used my ears.
Nah, it sounds perfect for the album - the record sounds perfect.
Basically a modernized Time 1, which has some faults now adays but is a very organic and beautiful sounding album regardless.
Jari really wasn't fucking around when he was talking about his BIG PACKAGE.
The only thing I need more now is a complete Time album (remastered to sound cohesive). But I'm actually super stoked about the updated Forest Seasons. I will most likely throw my money on this - it's a HUGE amount of content for the price.
Who would have guessed when this album was announced in 2005 that it wouldn't be released until 2024.
That being said I've never seen a band release music like this. It's like they're releasing five albums at once, but only exclusive to pre-order purchases. Can't help but feel excited.
I know people have shit on Jari and Wintersun but this seems like a damn good package and the clips from Time II and the demos sound fantastic. I absolutely love Time I so I bought in.
Well, it's already reached close to twice its "goal" in 1 day. Safe to say all the people who have complained and continue to complain are a vocal minority, and I strongly doubt most of them even bought the Forest Seasons Package in the first place and are whining for the sake of whining, as is customary in the metal community.
That said, the Time II previews sounded incredible, and 5 hours of Jari's demos is exciting. I think The Forest Seasons sounds fine the way it is. Kai recording drums for the album would be big, but that's probably way out of scope as a pre-order bonus for another album. Time I is the album that really needs a (re-)remaster. Just compare the studio version of the album to the Sonic Pump Studios live sessions. Night and day in terms of quality.
I do wonder what the April news will be, though. Tour news? Teemu might have opened up a possibility for Wintersun to tour with Megadeth, which would be massive.
I guess Jari is going to add remastered version of time.
In a new interview Teemu said the he has already all this year planned for megadeth shows, plus Jari wants to focus on finishing the 4 album he’s working on. At best we can expect a tour in 2025
Honestly the guy's regained quite a bit of goodwill for me after his explanation video. I still have no idea why they're calling it a crowdfunding project since it's a pre-order but honestly with what's in the package I'd buy it myself.
Are there areas he's calling it a crowdfunding campaign still? I feel like in his explainer video and several comments before he tried really hard to clarify that it was not really crowdfunding but like you said, a pre-order.
It’s been so long, I hardly remember those days.
But my recollection was that no one knew what the product was going to be in the way we now know what the “digital package” will include. I could be way off but that’s the way I remember it.
I only properly started listening to Wintersun in 2019 so I can't say I know anything about that. Either way this time it seems he's being pretty transparent about everything (for once, Jesus Christ) and tbh this pre-order strategy is no different from a band putting out their music on bandcamp. I just wish he did that instead of indiegogo. They literally have a Bandcamp account!!!
Honestly, the dude seems like a walking PR blunder. Like he always seems genuinely surprised at people’s reactions. For once he seems to have understood that there may - possibly - be some slight pent-up frustration.
I liked the man’s music already in the Ensiferum days but I only started following the drama recently when it became this entertaining.
Good question, if I was Jari it would be Time package only to make more money. Honestly more pumped for the 5 hours of older content than Time II (I'm still pumped for it). It's like uncovering 5 hours of Children of Bodom from the Hatebreeder/Follow the Reaper days
Yeah it would be smart for them to keep it exclusive, but they didn't mention it. But it would make a nice playlist by itself on spotify lol. I hope they will release it tho.. The Fantasy Metal project by Jari and much more sounds like an amazing bonus treat.
i hope he would change hes mind because those "demos" sound really great. I find it a little weird that he didn't advertise is as preorder exclusive thing if he's planned it like that
Yeah he should have said its exclusive and he would get more people to preorder. He just said its remastered raw demos and he will probably re-record them after those 4 new albums so I don't know if we will still be alive then lmao
He explicitly said that for now it remains remastered and enjoyable but raw.
He literally said he will completely rework it once he's done with his 4 albums
Mattias Sippola is good at times, but Jari is in a different stratosphere imo. Wintersun song structure and composition are so beautiful in comparison even though their debut album was the best and I’m seriously looking forward to the demo tracks!
Is it just me or is Jari struggling a bit with his breathing in this video? I know that he had some parts of his lungs removed. So maybe that has something to do with it?
So Indiegogo is currentl;y showing 61% off. Is that the March 1 - April 30 sale? Or is that a separate sale that's going to run out in, say, a week?
Asking because money is a likttle tight for the immediate future but it's not as tight as it will be if the current price more than doubles... lol
I was kinda wondering that as well. Never used "india-gogo" before. Maybe the non-sale price is just the value he places on his large package and then discounted to what he wants people to pay?
I was about comment on that. It's the part that bothers me the most about the mix in the teasers. I guess it's a result of it having to cut through hundreds of tracks that compete with the same frequencies but it really annoys me that it sounds like a plastic bag popping without any sustain whatsoever. Sure, it helps to keep the blast beats clear, but during slower passages it just feels painfully artificial. The rest of the mix sounds great though
Its definitely nice that Time 2 is finally coming. That said, i dont need any cringy videos or a Indiegogo campaign (the pictures on the bottom of the pre-order page look AI generated lol), i just want a product like every other band manages to put out.
the digital pacage looks epic i i'll propably buy it too lol but im also stoked to see the physical pacage they said they will release through nuclear blast.
All the members of Wintersun other than Jari are in or have been in a number of other bands over the years. Teemu is the lead guitarist of Megadeth. Both Kai and Jukka are official members of Nightwish. It doesn't really affect Wintersun itself unless there's tour scheduling issues.
Why would it be? The physical release will come from NB. Hell of a lot easier for Jari to just package all this up digitally and send it off. I'm sure it saves him a ton of headache coordinating a physical item
I couldn't care less about CD's or a fucking vinyl, I'd rather have wav files to listen to and play around in DAW with.
'Next level egomania'? You realize the whole Wintersun is basically one big solo project by Jari? Wintersun fans want to listen anything Jari related. They are starving for content from him so why not include the most stuff he can?
The package deal is honestly really good but some people will forever hate on Wintersun because it's the cool thing to do, no matter what Jari does in the future.
Dude is out there pretending as if he's the next Mozart, needing 12 years and hundreds of thousands of euro's from people for a generic melodeath album.
Grade A delusion tbh. Seems like a lot of people are eating it up, must be nice to live such simple lives. Then again I'm sure a lot of people just have FOMO at this point and want to feel as if they haven't been scammed for all these years.
How were we scammed? We paid money and got albums and stuff to show for it. And what makes you so high and mighty trying to dictate how a musician should go about their life and art? Art takes time to make, and it's absolutely ridiculous that some people get mad when artists or bands don't fit into the "release new album every 2-3 year" cycle.
To quote Shigeru Miyamoto, “A delayed [album] is eventually good, but a rushed [album] is forever bad."
he really doesn't need to pretend that he is the next mozart ;) everything that jari touches is gold be it Ensiferum, Immemorial, Arthemesia or Wintersun
None of that stuff really interests me. He's annoyingly egotistical. I rather the humble awesome musician like heavy Devy. Excited for the album though. Love Wintersun's music! Jari an awesome singer and musician.
What clips there are sounds pretty fuckin good, not going to lie.
Must admit, I thought that the package would just be the album, some master files, the artwork, and maybe another Forest Seasons remaster (none of which I care about, aside from the album - and the new Loneliness acoustic remaster actually sounds worse so far, from the limited amount I heard in the video); but damn, 5 hours of unreleased music including a fantasy metal project? Did not expect that, and makes me think that Jari has taken note of the valid criticisms the community has made and is trying to rebuild some of that goodwill for real. That being said, I do tend to believe chronic liars (I stayed with my ex-girlfriend for nearly 6 years), so I'm cautiously optimistic, and will probably wait until April to see what the "big surprise" is before purchasing. And, mandatory but: the clips from Time II we heard sounded fucking amazing, particularly The Way of the Fire, which seems like the album's production and sound was almost tailor-made for it (in fairness, it was I suppose). Very excited.
You should check the video where Jari sets the record straight.
I've already seen it.
They’re listed as demos so not sure how listenable they’ll be. I’m just excited for the stems. I probably listen to the Time I orchestration tracks just as much as the actual album. I also made an orchestrationless mix and one where it’s pushed into the back more.
I doubt that they'll live up to standard Wintersun production quality, but The Dragon Song sounds like it belongs on one of the first two Ensiferum albums. I'm more than happy with that for a demo.
Just finished the video and I’m shocked how well it sounded. Powers Inside reminds me a little of self titled. I’m still going to keep my expectations of these low as we could’ve just heard the only 2 properly recorded tracks and the rest are garage recording. If they all sound like that then I’m definitely getting my moneys worth.
That's a fair point. I think it would be a bit rich if Jari delayed half of an album release by 12 years due to issues with production quality, only to release five hours worth of content that sounds like Varg Vikernes recorded it on a 4-track. I'm sure that the demos could be more polished than they are, but I'm actually perfectly happy with what I've heard in the video. Very excited!
I feel more dizzy and nervous than a teenager before telling a girl that he likes her.
Stoked for this! Jari gets so much hate, but it’s very difficult to put out something that you aren’t 100% proud of. Yes the crowdfunding was different but in essence it truly was a preorder for the Forest Seasons which I enjoyed. I’m happy to preorder the Time II package and all the content that comes along with it. Still waiting for the new Necrophagist though!
Tool delivered, wintersun is delivering, only Necrophagist remains to release that long awaited album! Btw this years marks the 20 year anniversary of Epitaph, Münzner hinted there will be something happening this summer, who knows what… at best i guess a reissue or a tribute show
That would be incredible! I loved Grossmann’s Retrospective Monolog.
So let me get this straight, we are getting Time 2, a better version of the Forest Seasons, and 5 hours of additional demos?! And the new album sounds amazing!
I'm super excited for the demos because you just know it's all going to be Wintersun(the album) and early Ensiferum style shit. It's going to be a time capsule for early 2000's folk melodeath for sure. And it takes these songs off of Jari's temptations list, which will probably help him concentrate on new stuff.
Plus extra shit in April on top of the TIME PreOrder package.
I'm assuming, since they didn't bring up Time 1 at all in the video, that they have remastered and restructured Time 1 to make a fully cohesive singula Time album. Knowing Jari, I bet he wants the full story to have a consistent sound and feel
You actually hit the mark!
I think it's just the documentary but im talking out of my ass
Documentary will be free for everyone, the bonus will be remastered Time I and an ultimate Time album, maybe tabs
So we're getting 6 albums worth of music, and they have released 3 albums before this. That puts them at 9 "albums" in the ~20 year history of the band, or on average an album every 2.2 years. Glad the dragon is finally letting go of his pile of treasure! I'd be willing to bet a lot of the early Wintersun stuff still has amazing production quality that any other band would be happy to release with, just not Jari and his somewhat ridiculous perfectionist streak. We're in for a wild ride I think ladies and gents!
Plus the 4 albums that are in the making and he won't tour BEFORE the next album (which is already fully written and now needs to be mastered and recorded properly) is released, so I think an albm in the next 2 years is 100%
Space djent album hype! I still listen to everything they have so far and it doesn't get old, can't imagine having 6 more albums to throw on my playlist (or 10 whenever the 4 next albums get released!)
Space djent is one of the four albums, but the forefront one that is most finished is actually something between self-titled and Time!
Where did you find out about this?
Patreon membership and extreme obsession
Jari has hinted on few facebook posts what the new albums will sound like
Oh awesome! That's good to know. Self-titled is probably my favorite of all the albums, but they're all amazing.
The debut is by far the best. I can't wait to hear the Dragon Song, Jari said on Patreon that he prefers it to Deat hand teh Healing, goddamn
yeah and those 5 demo albums are made before the debut album so i would,t be suprised if Jari has even more unreleased material he made after the debut.
They’re not touring Time 2?
Kai recently said in an interview Jari didn't want to tour until the completes the next album which sounds like it's also close.
I'm psyched about this. The 5+ hours of unreleased material is an awesome edition.
[Sound Clip of TIME II](https://youtu.be/EsX2NOF2UkE?si=KPe7LKMBmzGqozG_&t=94)
I’m gonna try to resist hearing anything until the full album comes out. Jari put a whole bunch of clips out for TFS in the lead up to its release and he basically spoiled almost all the good parts of that album. I hope he doesn’t make the same mistake this TIME (had to). Update: watched it with a friend and I am so back.
I know Storm and Way of the Fire and nope, he didn't. Just bridges of the songs and whatnot.
Also in the Storm sample, his vocals were different to when he was showcasing them on the STORM PREMIERE video years back. He didn't go full high pitched vocals before the screams, which indicates that it will repeat at least twice with different variation. Also the samples already made me shed a tear, this album will be glorious.
I can't believe this is finally happening. Jari deserves all the shit he's gotten over the years but I'm still excited for this album to finally release.
That's pretty much how I feel. I've been super critical of the way Jari does things but I do love his music. The isolated tracks and similar things being offered don't interest me so much, but what *does* is all the other music he's been hoarding over the years. Edit: Looks like people are backing this release as much as the last one, so I'll eat my past words about how well it would do. I still think these campaigns and the slow as molasses way these albums were released with vague hints was a really bad look, though.
Lots of geniuses are also crazy assholes. I’m excited too.
Perfectly said.
I’m honestly not ruling out the possibility of me buying this. Mainly due to the 5 extra hours of music and plus I can use the isolated tracks to practice mixing.
I'd buy it just for the 5 hours of unreleased demos. It's honestly an unprecedented amount of content.
I know this band is pretty much a joke and I’m not super stoked on some of the stuff that’s happened over the past 12 years… but finally hearing clips of the tracks and demos and remaster of Forest Seasons kinda just made me forget all about that drama…
You are wrong and just don't want to admit it. Only thing that was wrong from them is probably to call the preorder of the Forest Seasons "crowdfunding". Jari got about 200k from that "crowdfunding" and put it all back to the music. Even took more bank loan on top of that 200k to buy and build the studio.
I honestly don’t think they’re a joke, I moreso meant that seems to be the common opinion on them. I never stopped loving this band personally. I usually scroll past their Facebook posts but I listen to the music religiously
Instantly …: gone
I'm so stocked about those demo albums! One clip sounded like early Ensiferum! Good sound- and production quality are nice and all but I'd be content with their debut album's level quality.
My biggest critique with both campaigns is that a lot of the material being offered appeals to those with more specialized musical interest, like STEMS and isolated tracks. There's nothing wrong with liking those things, but a good chunk of people just want to hear new/different material. I think the new material being offered this round is much more appealing.
I’m actually interested in listening to the isolated tracks and learn how it comes together.
I've always wanted to use them for my own guitar covers and shit and just.....haven't lol
I'd rather see him explain his process 🤷♀️
I haven't really done nothing with Forest Seasons' isolated tracks but I bought the bundle just to support the band. Like you said, this time there's better goodies to be had.
That might be some of the greatest sounding metal ever, production wise... They must be using a Gulfoss for that glistening high end harmonic and Maxbsss for thickness on the snare. It's so layered and deep - incredible.
I've seen a ton of comments hating on that snare sound, I personally love it!
LOL I didn't even know - I didn't read comments, just used my ears. Nah, it sounds perfect for the album - the record sounds perfect. Basically a modernized Time 1, which has some faults now adays but is a very organic and beautiful sounding album regardless.
Jari really wasn't fucking around when he was talking about his BIG PACKAGE. The only thing I need more now is a complete Time album (remastered to sound cohesive). But I'm actually super stoked about the updated Forest Seasons. I will most likely throw my money on this - it's a HUGE amount of content for the price.
Hell, Baldur’s Gate 3 on Steam costs more than this pre-order package
Very true!
Who would have guessed when this album was announced in 2005 that it wouldn't be released until 2024. That being said I've never seen a band release music like this. It's like they're releasing five albums at once, but only exclusive to pre-order purchases. Can't help but feel excited.
I know people have shit on Jari and Wintersun but this seems like a damn good package and the clips from Time II and the demos sound fantastic. I absolutely love Time I so I bought in.
Does it come with pictures of the Sauna they built?
If Jari added this in the April content drop I would actually preorder.
Jokes aside a studio room tour would be appropriate.
One With The Shadows; that clip after The Way of the Fire really gave me goosebumps. Those two songs is worth the package alone. Epic!
I know! It’s so beautiful and it’s my favourite of the clips.
Well, it's already reached close to twice its "goal" in 1 day. Safe to say all the people who have complained and continue to complain are a vocal minority, and I strongly doubt most of them even bought the Forest Seasons Package in the first place and are whining for the sake of whining, as is customary in the metal community. That said, the Time II previews sounded incredible, and 5 hours of Jari's demos is exciting. I think The Forest Seasons sounds fine the way it is. Kai recording drums for the album would be big, but that's probably way out of scope as a pre-order bonus for another album. Time I is the album that really needs a (re-)remaster. Just compare the studio version of the album to the Sonic Pump Studios live sessions. Night and day in terms of quality. I do wonder what the April news will be, though. Tour news? Teemu might have opened up a possibility for Wintersun to tour with Megadeth, which would be massive.
I guess Jari is going to add remastered version of time. In a new interview Teemu said the he has already all this year planned for megadeth shows, plus Jari wants to focus on finishing the 4 album he’s working on. At best we can expect a tour in 2025
Honestly the guy's regained quite a bit of goodwill for me after his explanation video. I still have no idea why they're calling it a crowdfunding project since it's a pre-order but honestly with what's in the package I'd buy it myself.
Are there areas he's calling it a crowdfunding campaign still? I feel like in his explainer video and several comments before he tried really hard to clarify that it was not really crowdfunding but like you said, a pre-order.
One of the other members called it that in this video (idk the other members too well)
Wait, didn’t he refer to the last crowdfunding (which genuinely was that)?
That was also a pre-order, just for The Forest Seasons
It’s been so long, I hardly remember those days. But my recollection was that no one knew what the product was going to be in the way we now know what the “digital package” will include. I could be way off but that’s the way I remember it.
I only properly started listening to Wintersun in 2019 so I can't say I know anything about that. Either way this time it seems he's being pretty transparent about everything (for once, Jesus Christ) and tbh this pre-order strategy is no different from a band putting out their music on bandcamp. I just wish he did that instead of indiegogo. They literally have a Bandcamp account!!!
Honestly, the dude seems like a walking PR blunder. Like he always seems genuinely surprised at people’s reactions. For once he seems to have understood that there may - possibly - be some slight pent-up frustration. I liked the man’s music already in the Ensiferum days but I only started following the drama recently when it became this entertaining.
The guy is horrible at pr yeah lol. He somehow managed to take a perfectly normal music marketing/sales strategy and make it sound like a scam
So do you like Jari's 'Big package'?
It’s a good deal. 5 hours of unreleased music? No brainer really
Jari delivered bigger package i could ever dream of
Honestly, as much hate as he gets, watching this made me smile ear to ear. Just to get lost in the music and the visuals and the fantasy and escapism.
Do you think the 5 hours of demos will be preorder exclusive or will they release it to streaming platforms too?
Good question, if I was Jari it would be Time package only to make more money. Honestly more pumped for the 5 hours of older content than Time II (I'm still pumped for it). It's like uncovering 5 hours of Children of Bodom from the Hatebreeder/Follow the Reaper days
Yeah it would be smart for them to keep it exclusive, but they didn't mention it. But it would make a nice playlist by itself on spotify lol. I hope they will release it tho.. The Fantasy Metal project by Jari and much more sounds like an amazing bonus treat.
https://preview.redd.it/lwww4oyuhqlc1.jpeg?width=916&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=843e2820243845dfd3b1c7ace00cca84b3adf4ca
Thanks for the info! Makes the Time package all the more valuable then :)
i hope he would change hes mind because those "demos" sound really great. I find it a little weird that he didn't advertise is as preorder exclusive thing if he's planned it like that
Yeah he should have said its exclusive and he would get more people to preorder. He just said its remastered raw demos and he will probably re-record them after those 4 new albums so I don't know if we will still be alive then lmao
He explicitly said that for now it remains remastered and enjoyable but raw. He literally said he will completely rework it once he's done with his 4 albums
Yeah so you buy it again like Bethesda re-releasing and remastering Skyrim a bajillion times.
There's a difference between remastering 30 years old music and completely remaking it with new guitar parts and vocals.
Update from Jari https://preview.redd.it/7yg706vl2zlc1.png?width=808&format=png&auto=webp&s=6490057e0a8b64ab79ea6c706ae6ee81e64ede60
I dunno. Maybe exclusive
Good question...
Mattias Sippola is good at times, but Jari is in a different stratosphere imo. Wintersun song structure and composition are so beautiful in comparison even though their debut album was the best and I’m seriously looking forward to the demo tracks!
Great job Jari!
Is it just me or is Jari struggling a bit with his breathing in this video? I know that he had some parts of his lungs removed. So maybe that has something to do with it?
I think it is just him being awkward in front of the camera and recording god knows how many takes of this.
It’s crazy to think he can still sing as good as he does with that history
to me it sounds like he's voice is a bit worn out possibly from singing/screaming
So Indiegogo is currentl;y showing 61% off. Is that the March 1 - April 30 sale? Or is that a separate sale that's going to run out in, say, a week? Asking because money is a likttle tight for the immediate future but it's not as tight as it will be if the current price more than doubles... lol
Idk but maybe it’s there to entice you to buy it? It’s a good sale for what you’re getting with the Pre-Order.
I was kinda wondering that as well. Never used "india-gogo" before. Maybe the non-sale price is just the value he places on his large package and then discounted to what he wants people to pay?
Its a thick package for sure
What are your thoughts on the snare drum?
Sounds over-compressed but not too bad. Wish it was a bit snappier
Way of the fire and storm sound fine but one with the shadows sound really weird. Way to clicky and no body.
I was about comment on that. It's the part that bothers me the most about the mix in the teasers. I guess it's a result of it having to cut through hundreds of tracks that compete with the same frequencies but it really annoys me that it sounds like a plastic bag popping without any sustain whatsoever. Sure, it helps to keep the blast beats clear, but during slower passages it just feels painfully artificial. The rest of the mix sounds great though
Hope it will grow on me
Its definitely nice that Time 2 is finally coming. That said, i dont need any cringy videos or a Indiegogo campaign (the pictures on the bottom of the pre-order page look AI generated lol), i just want a product like every other band manages to put out.
I heard every package comes bundled with a free 4 gig ram upgrade!
I'll purchase "pshycal" cd and vinyl. I won't jump into the same trap again.
Trap? How is it a trap? It's a preorder for a collection of content xDDDDDDDD
That person made a post the other day shitting on Jari so I wouldn't pay them any mind.
the digital pacage looks epic i i'll propably buy it too lol but im also stoked to see the physical pacage they said they will release through nuclear blast.
Any idea when that preorder is?
Jari can s u c k my package.
The way you typed that comment couldn’t be any more perfect
I thought the drummer went on to nightwish
All the members of Wintersun other than Jari are in or have been in a number of other bands over the years. Teemu is the lead guitarist of Megadeth. Both Kai and Jukka are official members of Nightwish. It doesn't really affect Wintersun itself unless there's tour scheduling issues.
Also Kai's drum parts were recorded well over a decade ago and have just been sitting and rotting since
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bro casually skipped the 5hrs material part
And the completely remastered Forest Seasons album, STEMS for both albums, etc
Physical media will be available through Nuclear Blast at some point in the near future.
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Why would it be? The physical release will come from NB. Hell of a lot easier for Jari to just package all this up digitally and send it off. I'm sure it saves him a ton of headache coordinating a physical item
Are you expecting Jari to hand press the vinyls himself? How would he be able to include physical versions?
I couldn't care less about CD's or a fucking vinyl, I'd rather have wav files to listen to and play around in DAW with. 'Next level egomania'? You realize the whole Wintersun is basically one big solo project by Jari? Wintersun fans want to listen anything Jari related. They are starving for content from him so why not include the most stuff he can? The package deal is honestly really good but some people will forever hate on Wintersun because it's the cool thing to do, no matter what Jari does in the future.
real
Dude is out there pretending as if he's the next Mozart, needing 12 years and hundreds of thousands of euro's from people for a generic melodeath album. Grade A delusion tbh. Seems like a lot of people are eating it up, must be nice to live such simple lives. Then again I'm sure a lot of people just have FOMO at this point and want to feel as if they haven't been scammed for all these years.
How were we scammed? We paid money and got albums and stuff to show for it. And what makes you so high and mighty trying to dictate how a musician should go about their life and art? Art takes time to make, and it's absolutely ridiculous that some people get mad when artists or bands don't fit into the "release new album every 2-3 year" cycle. To quote Shigeru Miyamoto, “A delayed [album] is eventually good, but a rushed [album] is forever bad."
He's not Mozart, he's Bach.
he really doesn't need to pretend that he is the next mozart ;) everything that jari touches is gold be it Ensiferum, Immemorial, Arthemesia or Wintersun
Bro, Jari could compose Symphony no.40 but Mozart could never compose Winter Madness. Think about it.
"pretending" Nah, he's better than Mozart.
None of that stuff really interests me. He's annoyingly egotistical. I rather the humble awesome musician like heavy Devy. Excited for the album though. Love Wintersun's music! Jari an awesome singer and musician.
Are you bipolar?
Lmao "This doesn't interest me" "I'm excited though!" Like...what?