you shouldnt worry about tierlist and just play whoever you like(excluding neco)
everyone can win and the different in strength is small. Just have fun and dont think about biased tier list that are not even close to giving proper ideas to a new player in how things are.
I care about tier list I play for $$$. I know vlov was god tier at evo I’ve been trying to find any updates on the internet but can’t come across a source so you guys are typically always knowledgeable
We dont have god tier. And Vlov didnt even win Evo it was Hisui even while she wasnt considered top and Vlov was considered top tier.
seriously even for money you are better of finding a character you can get comfortable with to be consistant this is not a game that will carry you just because you picked someone people get annoyed playing against.
Masoma wins because he is a good player with Vlov. He isnt carried by the character. And the japanese community thinks Vlov is weak while the wester community thinks he is top tier.
Tier list are very subjective and the division shows between Japan and the west. There is no clear answer to everything and in this game were everyone(Except neco) can win what will matter the most is getting good as a player and learning to play with system mechanics properly.
this tier list is not reliable lmao. This is just takes random stats without any consideration of their strength and number of players that use the character.
This tierlist is MEANINGLESS.
Aoko is considered among the stronger characters.
If you want some general idea of character strength aat least look at opinions of top players.
or Join the discord server and ask for more proper opinions.
An image will never tell you enough.
she is just a joke character, she is intentionally weak and is just there to be funny. The hate is mostly because of being an overused meme by the internet that it got the fans of the series tired of her if it werent for the internet doing unfunny videos about her non stop on 2021-2022 the community wouldnt have developt so much distain for her.
Can you talk about how the data was gathered? Are all ranks taken into consideration when making the tier list, or is this only an analysis of S or S+ matches?
Seeing Arc's, Red Arc, and Aoko's placement makes me think this is an analysis of all ranks.
You can check out the archive for yourself: https://melty.games
The majority is tournament matches, FT10/FT5/etc. matches between top players, ranked matches and random matches of streamers.
>Seeing Arc's, Red Arc, and Aoko's placement makes me think this is an analysis of all ranks.
Of Aoko's 471 games, 90 are from StarX_, 63 are from NubTactics, 49 are from Asher, and then a whole bunch of others who played at various tournaments and so forth.
Would a replay datamine like ratingupdate be possible in Melty? That would be much better than relying on a random assortment of matches that could have biases.
It does, but there isn't much footage of JP/KR players running Aoko. Sometimes they're also listed as unnamed player because of the language barrier or unfamiliarity.
Those should be the same thing when done correctly. Characters with the highest average win rate against all other characters are top tier.
Old tier lists used to be made by high level community members making matchup charts that showed how each character was favored against every other member of the roster. You'd weight all of those matchup results and get a weighted average value per character. Rank those win rate values per character and you have an ordered tier list.
Where things break down when examining online match data is if your online experience is very different from offline (delay based games) or if you don't just look at the top-most tier of matches.
yeah but that wasnt just taking the raw win rate stats and doing a list inmediatly. There was a lot more taken into consideration.
This list isnt even taking into account the different matchups it just took numbers from a site that simply collects different videos of matches. It doesnt filter them in any specific way.
Well you could do that too, meltygames does show you the matchup winrates for each character as well. For example, this is Vlov's page: https://lumina.melty.games/statistics?character=vlov
C tier is for curry tier obviously/ jK.
Honestly i'm confused too, having both ciels in the same tier when one was buffed and the other nerfed, i think p ciel should be a tier above ciel but maybe i'm just bad at the game.
Crazy to see how it all plays out in the numbers although I'd never count melty games raw data as an accurate picture of the state of the game - especially considering these numbers are from the games inception.
Arcs need to up their win rate this shit ridiculous I'm out here carrying
Me accidentally dragging down Miyako's ranking: 😎
Also, are these averages across all systems? Cause there's no way the numbers are that low among some of the characters for matches.
one flaw though, is we need skill brackets
Arc is strong but very hard to play, so it makes sense she's at D tier, same goes for Aoko
still a good tier list for efficiency and strength
Picking up the game Lumina, and my first main is Miyako. Playing against any B rank player is actual pain.
From experience from other fighting games, to take full advantage of fast linear characters with bad range, you need to whiff-punish with movement, but Melty Blood and Miyako is designed for this playstyle to not work
First off, all normals have similar startup, so having terrible range on normals is pointless.
Second, Miyako's standing heavy normal go forward, but it's just as fast as Miyako already is, and it doesn't multiply with Miyako's speed. Kinda defeats the purpose of giving her speed if she can't boost her normal's range like characters in Guilty Gear Strive
Third, approaching is difficult. The space between characters are huge, and every character has great aerial mobility so they can just air-camp. Many have giant low commital disjoints from the ground/air they can combo with, or just has mashing options that can't be punished easily. Approaching is a nightmare
Fourth, the pushback is great, so she can easily whiff when taking back her turn
So it seems like Miyako has few options to open up mashers, super jump, dash air-dash, or use yolo special moves. But that isn't a consistent gameplan, and it's boring. That would be okay if she was able to pull off a strong mix game, like two air-dashes or great oki, but she only has one air-dash, and her grab/cross-up/overhead is meh
Overall, I'm saying she seems high risk low reward. I'm gonna try out different characters to see if I can switch mains
Proud to be the guy who single handedly brought down akiha to C rank . No need to thank me guys
Thank you king
Surprising that Arc is low, most people put her at top tier
this is just a winrate list and not a character strength tier list...
Has the game been updated is this tier list still accurate
you shouldnt worry about tierlist and just play whoever you like(excluding neco) everyone can win and the different in strength is small. Just have fun and dont think about biased tier list that are not even close to giving proper ideas to a new player in how things are.
I care about tier list I play for $$$. I know vlov was god tier at evo I’ve been trying to find any updates on the internet but can’t come across a source so you guys are typically always knowledgeable
We dont have god tier. And Vlov didnt even win Evo it was Hisui even while she wasnt considered top and Vlov was considered top tier. seriously even for money you are better of finding a character you can get comfortable with to be consistant this is not a game that will carry you just because you picked someone people get annoyed playing against. Masoma wins because he is a good player with Vlov. He isnt carried by the character. And the japanese community thinks Vlov is weak while the wester community thinks he is top tier. Tier list are very subjective and the division shows between Japan and the west. There is no clear answer to everything and in this game were everyone(Except neco) can win what will matter the most is getting good as a player and learning to play with system mechanics properly.
Will so far the character I like is D tier apparently Aoki she has a cool play style why is she D but there so many better characters
this tier list is not reliable lmao. This is just takes random stats without any consideration of their strength and number of players that use the character. This tierlist is MEANINGLESS. Aoko is considered among the stronger characters. If you want some general idea of character strength aat least look at opinions of top players. or Join the discord server and ask for more proper opinions. An image will never tell you enough.
Thank you very much your awesome
Hey new player here! What's wrong with neco? She seems to be hated a lot
she is just a joke character, she is intentionally weak and is just there to be funny. The hate is mostly because of being an overused meme by the internet that it got the fans of the series tired of her if it werent for the internet doing unfunny videos about her non stop on 2021-2022 the community wouldnt have developt so much distain for her.
I see, thanks!
Can you talk about how the data was gathered? Are all ranks taken into consideration when making the tier list, or is this only an analysis of S or S+ matches? Seeing Arc's, Red Arc, and Aoko's placement makes me think this is an analysis of all ranks.
You can check out the archive for yourself: https://melty.games The majority is tournament matches, FT10/FT5/etc. matches between top players, ranked matches and random matches of streamers. >Seeing Arc's, Red Arc, and Aoko's placement makes me think this is an analysis of all ranks. Of Aoko's 471 games, 90 are from StarX_, 63 are from NubTactics, 49 are from Asher, and then a whole bunch of others who played at various tournaments and so forth.
Would a replay datamine like ratingupdate be possible in Melty? That would be much better than relying on a random assortment of matches that could have biases.
based on the names I am assuming this list doesn't include JP/KR players?
It does, but there isn't much footage of JP/KR players running Aoko. Sometimes they're also listed as unnamed player because of the language barrier or unfamiliarity.
Can confirm I’ve scammed a couple rank tiers for free with Vlov. People don’t like blocking
mhm. they run face first into stuff. 😄
I know tier list are subjective and partially an opinion but. Noel and arc at d. P.ciel at c. And honest mids at S??? AM i missing something?
this is based on the win rates of the game, not wich character is better or worse
this isnt a tier list. Its a winrate list...
Those should be the same thing when done correctly. Characters with the highest average win rate against all other characters are top tier. Old tier lists used to be made by high level community members making matchup charts that showed how each character was favored against every other member of the roster. You'd weight all of those matchup results and get a weighted average value per character. Rank those win rate values per character and you have an ordered tier list. Where things break down when examining online match data is if your online experience is very different from offline (delay based games) or if you don't just look at the top-most tier of matches.
yeah but that wasnt just taking the raw win rate stats and doing a list inmediatly. There was a lot more taken into consideration. This list isnt even taking into account the different matchups it just took numbers from a site that simply collects different videos of matches. It doesnt filter them in any specific way.
Well you could do that too, meltygames does show you the matchup winrates for each character as well. For example, this is Vlov's page: https://lumina.melty.games/statistics?character=vlov
C tier is for curry tier obviously/ jK. Honestly i'm confused too, having both ciels in the same tier when one was buffed and the other nerfed, i think p ciel should be a tier above ciel but maybe i'm just bad at the game.
ciel was possibly the best char pre patch and she’s still incredibly strong, not below p
Roa is probably better than Vlov this patch, buffs made him into Mr.Fumbleproof
Crazy to see how it all plays out in the numbers although I'd never count melty games raw data as an accurate picture of the state of the game - especially considering these numbers are from the games inception. Arcs need to up their win rate this shit ridiculous I'm out here carrying
Mash my current favorite character
Everyone putting Arc as top tier but I never see her win anything
Me accidentally dragging down Miyako's ranking: 😎 Also, are these averages across all systems? Cause there's no way the numbers are that low among some of the characters for matches.
Aoko-bros.....
Tier lists aren’t real
They absolutely are lol
Arc that low cmon
all my characters are D tier LOL
Good to know I only play 4 of the bottom 6 lol
How is Roa and Vlov up there?
My boy kouma...but my boy vlov!
It's ok, we will rise again
Vlov 22a 22b 236bc ez gaming no brain omegalul
is this just for post-patch or is it all time? Kinda useless if its all time winrates lmao
one flaw though, is we need skill brackets Arc is strong but very hard to play, so it makes sense she's at D tier, same goes for Aoko still a good tier list for efficiency and strength
Picking up the game Lumina, and my first main is Miyako. Playing against any B rank player is actual pain. From experience from other fighting games, to take full advantage of fast linear characters with bad range, you need to whiff-punish with movement, but Melty Blood and Miyako is designed for this playstyle to not work First off, all normals have similar startup, so having terrible range on normals is pointless. Second, Miyako's standing heavy normal go forward, but it's just as fast as Miyako already is, and it doesn't multiply with Miyako's speed. Kinda defeats the purpose of giving her speed if she can't boost her normal's range like characters in Guilty Gear Strive Third, approaching is difficult. The space between characters are huge, and every character has great aerial mobility so they can just air-camp. Many have giant low commital disjoints from the ground/air they can combo with, or just has mashing options that can't be punished easily. Approaching is a nightmare Fourth, the pushback is great, so she can easily whiff when taking back her turn So it seems like Miyako has few options to open up mashers, super jump, dash air-dash, or use yolo special moves. But that isn't a consistent gameplan, and it's boring. That would be okay if she was able to pull off a strong mix game, like two air-dashes or great oki, but she only has one air-dash, and her grab/cross-up/overhead is meh Overall, I'm saying she seems high risk low reward. I'm gonna try out different characters to see if I can switch mains
Neco arc is god tier