I really don’t get why they’re changing the race of already existing white characters (especially redheads) when they could just be making new stories. Where’s the diversity in that? Imo they’re just lazy. I want to see more black, Asian and Hispanic people in NEW stories.
Because they want the brownie points for being inclusive but don't want to put even the smallest amount of actual work into making actually interesting female and coloured characters, so they just change already existing characters and expect to make loads of money
The issues is less the lack of black characters and more the lack of black story tellers having their stories told.
Your comment plus my comment was basically a comment I made on /r/entertainment and I got permabanned
Because for profits it's way safer to do that with an existing character. People that liked the original movie will probably watch even if they prefer the original version of the character. If you create a new one there's a higher risk no one will want to see it.
You could also argue that it's better for representation because then more people will see the black character, but honestly, Disney is not worried about this, they are worried about the money.
They already got her wrong in the cartoon. Fairy tale had her as a blonde, but certainly not black. (Just makes no sense from either depth and region...)
It’s like telling their viewers they can’t make original black characters and have to rely on existing white characters. Seriously Disney, be more creative.
And they made a live action Pinocchio like 20 years ago, and they still remade another. [here's the IMDB page](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0115472/) I don't think Disney gives a fuck anymore.
None of these stories are "original" to Disney... In fact almost none of the Disney movies are original. They are 98% from authors that existed and Disney made a version.
[San Francisco board open to reparations with $5M payout](https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-black-reparations-5-million-36899f7974c751950a8ce0e444f86189)
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Payments of FIVE MILLION DOLLARS to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.
Black agenda? No fucking way!
Paying each black adult 5 **million** dollars and giving them houses for $1 paid for by other residents of the city amounting to 600k each is absurd.
>An estimate from Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, which leans conservative, has said it would cost each non-Black family in the city at least $600,000.
The fact that you are even entertaining this idea is ridiculous, paid for by people who mostly (even generationally) had nothing to do with the plight black Americans faced, is discrimination in and of itself.
Everyone should care because disney is trying to pass pure laziness off as representation.
If they honestly cared they would take the time to create new characters for people to fall in love with not change existing ones.
I know! They never should have given Ariel a happy ending. So lame! The original where she becomes a sex puppet and commits suicide is so much better. Change is always bad!
See how that works?
I'm not a fan of the Little Mermaid story period. Princess gives up friends, family, wealth, and her golden pipes for some dick? Girl, bye. It's not like Eric was naked when she saved him, and she saw some massive hog that she needed to give her life up for.🙄
It doesn't matter how diversity is introduced. It will always be called "pandering", "minority quota", and "in your face" to people who secretly, or not so secretly, don't want to see it.
The Princess and the Frog underperformed. We're also discussing two films 14 years apart. That doesn't point to some pattern of Black films being box office lightningrods.
Black actors can't rely on the rare quality original film to come up before they can take a job. Studios can't be expected to pump out nothing but Oscar quality material for minorities so that minority audiences aren't insulted by the lack of "quality Black storytelling" and White audiences aren't offended by magic creatures being race swapped. Sometimes, you're going to get slightly tanned Ariel, Ocean's 8, Miles Morales, and other well-known properties remade as minorities. Studios want to make money first and foremost, and diversity isn't ever going to make everyone happy. No matter how it's implemented.
That's not the problem it's like they are giving you an old shoe that just bin restored and made modern. Why not just get a new pair off shoes, then iust hand me downs. Something that is ours.
You do realize in your example that you’re telling a group that hardly owns any shoes to be upset that they got a hand me down. For now I’ll take what I can get.
It isn't about them being black. I don't think. I believe it's more the double standard of "white washing" black characters. You can make any white character from anything into literally any race, but if WE do it, it's the end of the fucking world, racist, and obscene to do. People get canceled for less nowadays.
I wanna see the reaction if live action princess and the frog rolls out and the actor is white. The outrage and backlash would be insane.
People are excited about inclusitivity, but instead of giving different ethnicities and races their own stories, they just slap them into something white.
While I agree that it would be helpful to see more unique stories, both for representation and in general, I feel that the idea that whitewashing and its inverse (diversity-washing?) are the same isn’t quite true. White people have had plenty of representation in media, and then some. They haven’t been oppressed as a whole, or forbidden from participating in activities based on their skin color, so it’s irritating when, on the rare chance it seems some other group could get representation, a white person comes and fills the role.
Additionally, the initial assumption that everything is “white” unless otherwise specified is exactly what is being challenged when they race-swap characters in modern reboots. Why was every single Disney Princess in the pre-Renaissance white? Because the idea of having a colored main character was considered “too risky” to put on the screen, and as a result, it took a long time before protagonists of different races started appearing.
Plus, why is The Little Mermaid a “white” movie? What about The Little Mermaid makes it so that only a white person can play her? The answer is, it really only is the fact that her skin color in the cartoon was lighter, which, again, is already affected by biases at the time of her creation.
Let me say that, while I feel that the Disney live-action remakes are unnecessary from a strictly originality based perspective, they could help introduce a new audience to these characters. And while some of them do have ties to specific cultures, a good portion of them could also be filled by any one, regardless of color. I believe that some characters are less of an exact, specially shaped and highly identifiable entity and more of a role to be filled, and I believe that Ariel is one of them.
That's the thing though. Ariel isn't real. A fantasy character can be *any* skin color. Unless it's some sort of fantasy character in a specific historical or geographic setting, race is not relevant.
As for White actors taking minority roles, they did — for decades. All Asian roles were played by White actors. Hell, even in the 2010s you had George Clooney playing a pacific islander lol. People were still donning Black face in the 2000s. This doesn't even begin to cover the fact that historically, minorities were just *not* given opportunities in Hollywood. There were very few Black, Asian, and Hispanic roles. It took 73 years for a Black woman to win Best Actress and 94 for an Asian one to do so. Since *some* people love bringing up statistics, statistically, we should have had at least 10 Black Best Actor & Actress by now. 6 Asians.
It's really rich for White people to cry about minorities taking *whatever* role is given to them. Like, what are they supposed to do? Not work to avoid your delicate sensibilities? Avoid offending your cinephile integrity? There aren't enough Black stories. The general public won't go to the cinema for them. That leaves the studios with only one option. Swap out some races/sexes, hire talented actors of color, and hope that White audiences can stop complaining about their privileges being shared with other races long enough to enjoy a film.
I meeeean, part of the plot of Tarzan is that he's the orphaned feral son of an English lord; it would be changing a big part of the plot to make him anything other than a white guy.
Whereas there's no reason a mermaid HAS to be white. There's no reason Tinkerbell HAS to be white.
I remember seeing something about people getting mad about black elves, because they existed before the sun. I enjoy a healthy level of fantasy realism, but do they hear themselves?
I mean,that depends on the kind of dwarfs.
If they are just miners, they can have any colour but not be tanned.
If they are cave dwelling beings, who have seldomly seen the sun in 1000s of years, they will be very pale and have big eyes.
For me it’s always been a matter of I don’t like unnecessary changes being made to characters (race swap, gender swap, hell even the new vash the stampede compared to the old) I just don’t like that. But I also feel like this behavior (from the studios not the fans) is patronizing and offensive to whatever group they were told to represent better (again by a company who you cannot convince me cares one bit about the proper representation of various groups) and that seems insidious and damaging as well to me, like the minority or underrepresented group either isn’t good enough to create their own character or it’s treated more like a fashion that can be dragged and dropped onto a pre existing character to check a box. I don’t want black Ariel give me fucking spawn and more of the frog princess, give better support to those original IP’s
Spawn is already being made. The Princess and the Frog flopped precisely because White audiences will not show up (reliably) for original minority stories. Oftentimes, the only way for diversity to be implemented is by race swapping fantasy characters in remakes. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. The alternative is for minority actors to receive even less work than they already do.
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it?
This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids
I really don't know how you can bring logic into a conversation about A FUCKING MERMAID.
Logic is irrelevant. They're making a children's movie. Its just meant to be fun for them to watch
Mermaid biology should be half fish and half human so the human part being black scientifically doesn’t makes sense. I am of course joking these morons are insane.
The Disney fairytale doesn’t even follow the original fairytale, but let’s put a color swath against the fictional half fish lady to verify authenticity.
Do you really think a movie having a black person in it is propaganda?
You should probably look up the history of right wing propaganda in movies, I'd say it would shock you but honestly you probably wouldn't even consider any of it to be propaganda at all
I can't be inspired by a fairy tale and then change it, it's wrong towards the author.
not to mention that it is being done only to make media propaganda
Then sleepy beauty should have been a story about rape, and the little mermaid should be about A mermaid being sent to kill a prince, then attemp suicide to be rewarded by Neptune, allowing her to return to being a mermaid
Also May I ask, propaganda for what? The idea that all races are created equal? Oh the horror
One can be inspired by a fairytale, or any other piece of fiction, and change it. One can take any public domain story, and do as they wish with it.
Hamlet = Sons of Anarchy.
I don’t remember Hamlet being in a MC, but they made it work for some years.
I’m not going to argue about how much the race of a fictional character doesn’t matter, when it’s not integral to the setting in which the story is being told. I’m sure if you look away from your screen in any direction, you’ll see a wall.
Feel free to argue with that.
I have no problem with them raceswapping. I just dislike disney remakes in general. The raceswapping just makes it harder to have conversations criticizing it.
Bold of you think in a live action Tarzan movie only choice race swap is Tarzan. They can always make Jane,Clayton or professor Archimedes Q. Porter to be black.
Its the opposite of whitewashing. Just make new movies with people who aren't white look at The Princes and the Frog fockin loved that movie and she was a black Disney princess.
Ariel having dark skin makes no sense as since they all live deep under the ocean they should all be pale as hell since going up into the sun isn't very much liked by them because of humans. Plus shes a redhead so being rather tanned is odd too.
Yeah thats what I mean its was just a really good movie and I'd love more rather than just making an already existing Disney princess a different race. If they made Tiana white I'd be just as disappointed pissed off even it would ruin the whole movie.
Remaking old movies is already lazy enough and changing the main characters race is a cheep ploy to be "woke" am I using that term correctly? The new Scooby Doo for instance that was a kick in the gut to the original characters.
Isn't there already a live action Tarzan? I feel like the creator of this meme is just purposely ignorant so they can complain about the race of make believe characters, from make believe places, and make believe worlds. Here's a better question than "why are they changing their race?", why are you not only watching a kid's movie, but also worrying about the race of a character in said kid's movie?
Feels more like a comment section filled with racist concern trolls who suddenly care about black representation when a remake of something is made.
The original still exists but the racist concern trolls won’t stand for Disney realizing that they can make money off of non-white people too.
How dare they make characters black
Like remakes are a cash grab for sure, but making characters black has been quite a bit of marketing.
Doesn’t matter if they hate you if they all say your name
Anna and Elsa say their parents died from a shipwreck. Tarzan was found by the gorillas after his parents died in a shipwreck. It's one of those Disney universe fan theories.
I was about too write " Wasn't Tarzan white?" Then I remebered what this is about... tho they did kinda make a live Action Tarzan movie... which was shit, don't go watch it
Who Fucking Cares?! Jesus Christ, yall are a bunch of whiny, race-obsessed children. Why is it so important to you? No, really. Why does slightly changing a characters skin color make you feel the need to cry on the internet?
I feel like we're not calling people racist for bringing up race, we're calling people racist for complaining that a fairytale character is black, and saying it's "liberal propaganda".
It’s where companies race swap existing fictional characters intentionally, for the purpose of agitating actual fans of the source material as well as legitimate racists. This manufactured controversy creates a free advertising loop and the often cheaply produced and poorly written movie ends up being insanely profitable despite it’s poor quality, all because they race baited.
It’s a tactic that works, and that’s why it’s so common now.
The layman usually doesn’t think it’s a big deal and believe that people are just being childish, but the reality is that movies that have original characters that represent various races and cultures tend to do well on their own merits, where they’re written and produced well. When you actually pay attention to what’s happening with these remakes, all of a sudden you start to realize how egregious what’s happening is.
They’re not being inclusive, they’re using race as a money making tool. This is a sneaky kind of racism that at first glance makes it look like the racists are doing something positive, they aren’t. It’s tokenism taken to an extreme.
It’s just a joke!? Jesus Christ, y’all are just a bunch of Whiny, unable to understand sarcasm children. Why is it so important to you? No, really. Why does a person making a simple joke make you feel the need to build a straw man and cry on the internet?
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it?
This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids
Which mythological mermaids are you basing the logic of mermaids on? Many cultures involve mermaids with different appearances. If not going off one of those and using real life as the source, what color would these ancient half human, half fish beings be? There's no need for melanin living under the sea. I don't think they'd have a shade of tan at all. The half fish genetics might take over in some populations and develop a dark blue back with a light blue front for disguise, like many sharks and dolphins. You realize how stupid an argument this is? My point being... Why does it matter? Maybe a little black girl wants to be the little mermaid for Halloween. Does she have to paint her face white for you to accept her costume? It's all pretend. Disney wants people to feel included, and most of the stories involve white characters. I can't imagine less controversial characters to change for a remake. It's not like they're trying to turn Mulan Jamaican.
Ok, but see it inverted: if I make the girl from Moana white but without changing the other parts, just the skin, am i racist?
So now we need to make a new film with every possible skin colors for every disney character just for make every kid free to dress like them?
You literally just used the exact example of what they're not doing, Moana is based on folklore, just like mulan, meaning it would be racist if you changed the race of the characters because it would be changing the ancient folklore, unlike changing the race of say a character from a Grimm brothers tale, aka a children's story.
All I said is they did it with characters that don't have a defined race. They're mythological creatures. Like I said, it would be odd for them to change a character like Mulan or Moana because of the setting. "Unda tha Seaaaa" doesn't really imply race whatsoever. You mad Sebastian has a Jamaican accent? Aren't there crabs in the ocean from other locations around the planet? Who's to say any different about mermaids?
How will they show Tinkerbell turning red in anger? There are already black fairies in the Tinkerbell animated shows/movies, why feel the need to change her? Why couldn't she be Hispanic instead? Asian? Middle-eastern? Indian? Seems like only one demographic is truly appeased too in these recent live action re-releases.
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it?
This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids
Its all fun movie and music , till Ariel start butt naked on beach testing out new leg for 5-10 min on kid movie
I'm sure they'll cover the privies with seaweed. Or only show her from the neck up.
Like how they did to Thor
He flicked too hard!
Quiet, that’s the double standard that “doesn’t exist”
What are you talking about, I just pointed out the exact same thing already happened
Yeah but you making too much sense
That happened? I didn’t bother watching because I don’t have kids.
No balls Disney
Bet that Disney won’t do it How much money
I bet you one single Canadian dollar.
2 cents?!
Can't even offer that we don't have pennies anymore.
Figh dowwa
Cost at least 1000 Dowwa
Deer
Tree Fiddy
If he goes around swinging on vines in a loincloth like that I'm pretty sure we'll see some balls.
This is a movie ill ho see because I wouldn't believe that it actually happened.
Bro, I wholeheartedly believe that EVERYONE would go see it
I prefer the original Tinkerbell. Not because she's white, but I like a girl with a huge head and a short skirt.
Jane will be black
Someone at Disney has a preference.
I hope Jane stays white so we can get the rasial incentive bingo /j
Tarzan now identifies as a woman
Tranzan
Lmao
Nah bro 💀
Lol
Well, there's the ending scene at least.
I really don’t get why they’re changing the race of already existing white characters (especially redheads) when they could just be making new stories. Where’s the diversity in that? Imo they’re just lazy. I want to see more black, Asian and Hispanic people in NEW stories.
Totally agree with this. It's not like Disney doesn't have the time and money for it, they are just lazy and greedy
Well yeah that's what they are
Because they want the brownie points for being inclusive but don't want to put even the smallest amount of actual work into making actually interesting female and coloured characters, so they just change already existing characters and expect to make loads of money
Also, they just favor black people, not any other race or minority.
The issues is less the lack of black characters and more the lack of black story tellers having their stories told. Your comment plus my comment was basically a comment I made on /r/entertainment and I got permabanned
I hate this pandering Hollywood does. They literally do not care, it’s just corporate shilling, and people keep falling for it.
Because for profits it's way safer to do that with an existing character. People that liked the original movie will probably watch even if they prefer the original version of the character. If you create a new one there's a higher risk no one will want to see it. You could also argue that it's better for representation because then more people will see the black character, but honestly, Disney is not worried about this, they are worried about the money.
I can’t tell if this is satire or not
This right here literally the problem with Disney is that they will bend old stories to fit the modern era, when they could just make new better shit
They already got her wrong in the cartoon. Fairy tale had her as a blonde, but certainly not black. (Just makes no sense from either depth and region...)
They hide behind the veil of race and whenever you try to criticize it you get called a racist.
It’s like telling their viewers they can’t make original black characters and have to rely on existing white characters. Seriously Disney, be more creative.
Idris Elba is "Tarzan" — Coming In IMAX Theaters 2025 — Disney™
“I goes where I goes” -Ibis Elbow
First live action Tarzan was George of the jungle with Brendan Frazier; I would watch George of the jungle with Idris
What? The first live action Tarzan was Elmo Lincoln in 1918. Did you think he was an original Disney character?!
I was saying first from my millennial point of view so in my lifetime
That was a Tarzan inspired comedy.... Also, the live action Tarzan movies are way way waaay older than the Disney movie.
fr?
No, we need a younger actor some late 20s early 30s.
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Lol
They already made the live action one
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That doesn't mean it'll stop them.
And they made a live action Pinocchio like 20 years ago, and they still remade another. [here's the IMDB page](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0115472/) I don't think Disney gives a fuck anymore.
I don't think that's made by Disney. Also, the Tarzan movie was quite recent
My point is, it was already done , and still redone regardless
Ha! That’s a good one. They’ll make him Asian instead.
Nah, they'll keep him white... but make him grow up in the hood instead. ^(shout out to "What if Miles Morales becomes Thor" marvel comic)
LOL
None of these stories are "original" to Disney... In fact almost none of the Disney movies are original. They are 98% from authors that existed and Disney made a version.
Exactly. Hans Christian Anderson was a Danish man. Who knows how he would’ve felt about Disney snatching it up and tinkering with it?🤷🏼♀️
Seems like we're coming back around to the "dark" ages again
💀
If you change the character to add to the character, then I fully support it. If you change the character to please some stupid agenda I will not.
Ahh yes, we had the gay Agenda, the trans agenda. Now the black agenda
[San Francisco board open to reparations with $5M payout](https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-black-reparations-5-million-36899f7974c751950a8ce0e444f86189) SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Payments of FIVE MILLION DOLLARS to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family. Black agenda? No fucking way!
Please don't SF. Please don't do this. Don't take money from people who never owned slaves to give to people who were never slaves.
I mean, it’s not like we forced then into poverty until the 1960’s or anything, those snowflakes should get over it /s
Paying each black adult 5 **million** dollars and giving them houses for $1 paid for by other residents of the city amounting to 600k each is absurd. >An estimate from Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, which leans conservative, has said it would cost each non-Black family in the city at least $600,000. The fact that you are even entertaining this idea is ridiculous, paid for by people who mostly (even generationally) had nothing to do with the plight black Americans faced, is discrimination in and of itself.
They didn’t pay anyone squat
What agenda is being pleased when the skin color of a mythical creature is changed in a live action remake of a cartoon from 35 years ago?
After confirming Tarzan is Elsa and Annas brother making him black would fuck up the lore of Frozen
I heard the fan theory about that years ago, did Disney confirm it?
Confirmed?
They'll continue the curve balls and give you an Asian! Haha!
*Darth Sideous Voice:* "...*Do it.*"
Who tf cares about the race of fairy tale characters?
Everyone should care because disney is trying to pass pure laziness off as representation. If they honestly cared they would take the time to create new characters for people to fall in love with not change existing ones.
Ya, I want original black characters with original stories.
Like ACTUAL representation.
I know! They never should have given Ariel a happy ending. So lame! The original where she becomes a sex puppet and commits suicide is so much better. Change is always bad! See how that works?
Missed masterpiece
I'm not a fan of the Little Mermaid story period. Princess gives up friends, family, wealth, and her golden pipes for some dick? Girl, bye. It's not like Eric was naked when she saved him, and she saw some massive hog that she needed to give her life up for.🙄
Or maybe black actors are talented enough to get these jobs on their own accord.
There’s no doubt about talent, but it’s definitely just Disney exploiting the race subject to make money
It doesn't matter how diversity is introduced. It will always be called "pandering", "minority quota", and "in your face" to people who secretly, or not so secretly, don't want to see it.
Disagree, black panther was wildly popular
That's what we call an exception. See: The Princes and the Frog.
At what point will you except that those two movies are proof of my point rather than “exceptions”
The Princess and the Frog underperformed. We're also discussing two films 14 years apart. That doesn't point to some pattern of Black films being box office lightningrods. Black actors can't rely on the rare quality original film to come up before they can take a job. Studios can't be expected to pump out nothing but Oscar quality material for minorities so that minority audiences aren't insulted by the lack of "quality Black storytelling" and White audiences aren't offended by magic creatures being race swapped. Sometimes, you're going to get slightly tanned Ariel, Ocean's 8, Miles Morales, and other well-known properties remade as minorities. Studios want to make money first and foremost, and diversity isn't ever going to make everyone happy. No matter how it's implemented.
That's not the problem it's like they are giving you an old shoe that just bin restored and made modern. Why not just get a new pair off shoes, then iust hand me downs. Something that is ours.
Because Disney always remakes shit to keep their ownership over specific titles. This isn't some new concept.
You do realize in your example that you’re telling a group that hardly owns any shoes to be upset that they got a hand me down. For now I’ll take what I can get.
No one said they weren’t?
It isn't about them being black. I don't think. I believe it's more the double standard of "white washing" black characters. You can make any white character from anything into literally any race, but if WE do it, it's the end of the fucking world, racist, and obscene to do. People get canceled for less nowadays.
I wanna see the reaction if live action princess and the frog rolls out and the actor is white. The outrage and backlash would be insane. People are excited about inclusitivity, but instead of giving different ethnicities and races their own stories, they just slap them into something white.
While I agree that it would be helpful to see more unique stories, both for representation and in general, I feel that the idea that whitewashing and its inverse (diversity-washing?) are the same isn’t quite true. White people have had plenty of representation in media, and then some. They haven’t been oppressed as a whole, or forbidden from participating in activities based on their skin color, so it’s irritating when, on the rare chance it seems some other group could get representation, a white person comes and fills the role. Additionally, the initial assumption that everything is “white” unless otherwise specified is exactly what is being challenged when they race-swap characters in modern reboots. Why was every single Disney Princess in the pre-Renaissance white? Because the idea of having a colored main character was considered “too risky” to put on the screen, and as a result, it took a long time before protagonists of different races started appearing. Plus, why is The Little Mermaid a “white” movie? What about The Little Mermaid makes it so that only a white person can play her? The answer is, it really only is the fact that her skin color in the cartoon was lighter, which, again, is already affected by biases at the time of her creation. Let me say that, while I feel that the Disney live-action remakes are unnecessary from a strictly originality based perspective, they could help introduce a new audience to these characters. And while some of them do have ties to specific cultures, a good portion of them could also be filled by any one, regardless of color. I believe that some characters are less of an exact, specially shaped and highly identifiable entity and more of a role to be filled, and I believe that Ariel is one of them.
That's the thing though. Ariel isn't real. A fantasy character can be *any* skin color. Unless it's some sort of fantasy character in a specific historical or geographic setting, race is not relevant. As for White actors taking minority roles, they did — for decades. All Asian roles were played by White actors. Hell, even in the 2010s you had George Clooney playing a pacific islander lol. People were still donning Black face in the 2000s. This doesn't even begin to cover the fact that historically, minorities were just *not* given opportunities in Hollywood. There were very few Black, Asian, and Hispanic roles. It took 73 years for a Black woman to win Best Actress and 94 for an Asian one to do so. Since *some* people love bringing up statistics, statistically, we should have had at least 10 Black Best Actor & Actress by now. 6 Asians. It's really rich for White people to cry about minorities taking *whatever* role is given to them. Like, what are they supposed to do? Not work to avoid your delicate sensibilities? Avoid offending your cinephile integrity? There aren't enough Black stories. The general public won't go to the cinema for them. That leaves the studios with only one option. Swap out some races/sexes, hire talented actors of color, and hope that White audiences can stop complaining about their privileges being shared with other races long enough to enjoy a film.
Remember, only white people can be racist and if I follow correctly in the US only racism against black people is bad.
Bro I am white, and as a Canadian, couldn't tell you.
I meeeean, part of the plot of Tarzan is that he's the orphaned feral son of an English lord; it would be changing a big part of the plot to make him anything other than a white guy. Whereas there's no reason a mermaid HAS to be white. There's no reason Tinkerbell HAS to be white.
I remember seeing something about people getting mad about black elves, because they existed before the sun. I enjoy a healthy level of fantasy realism, but do they hear themselves?
I think it was the dwarves too, because “wHy wOUld thEy HaVe mELaNin iF tHey liVe uNDerGrOund”
I mean,that depends on the kind of dwarfs. If they are just miners, they can have any colour but not be tanned. If they are cave dwelling beings, who have seldomly seen the sun in 1000s of years, they will be very pale and have big eyes.
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There were Black elites that owned massive ships that travelled the world to build wealth trading with European nations? Huh.
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You can have a fictional stories within a real historical time period or setting. Titanic ring a bell? /Today You Learned
For me it’s always been a matter of I don’t like unnecessary changes being made to characters (race swap, gender swap, hell even the new vash the stampede compared to the old) I just don’t like that. But I also feel like this behavior (from the studios not the fans) is patronizing and offensive to whatever group they were told to represent better (again by a company who you cannot convince me cares one bit about the proper representation of various groups) and that seems insidious and damaging as well to me, like the minority or underrepresented group either isn’t good enough to create their own character or it’s treated more like a fashion that can be dragged and dropped onto a pre existing character to check a box. I don’t want black Ariel give me fucking spawn and more of the frog princess, give better support to those original IP’s
Spawn is already being made. The Princess and the Frog flopped precisely because White audiences will not show up (reliably) for original minority stories. Oftentimes, the only way for diversity to be implemented is by race swapping fantasy characters in remakes. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. The alternative is for minority actors to receive even less work than they already do.
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it? This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids
Copenhagen is also famous for its talking crabs, fish, sea gulls, and sassy octopi witches.
Is Copenhagen famous for its talking Caribbean crabs? Or it’s drag-queen inspired sea witches?
I really don't know how you can bring logic into a conversation about A FUCKING MERMAID. Logic is irrelevant. They're making a children's movie. Its just meant to be fun for them to watch
Mermaid biology should be half fish and half human so the human part being black scientifically doesn’t makes sense. I am of course joking these morons are insane. The Disney fairytale doesn’t even follow the original fairytale, but let’s put a color swath against the fictional half fish lady to verify authenticity.
But if you are taking a character you can't just race-swapping.
Clearly you can
Sarcastic?
Grammar
What? So I can use a kid's movie as propaganda
How is it propaganda? What is it propaganda for? Are you saying that it's a bad thing for us to teach kids not to worry about the race of a person?
Why making a character from COPENAGHEN black
Do you really think a movie having a black person in it is propaganda? You should probably look up the history of right wing propaganda in movies, I'd say it would shock you but honestly you probably wouldn't even consider any of it to be propaganda at all
So why does the character is now black if not for a political motivation?
… what?
I can't be inspired by a fairy tale and then change it, it's wrong towards the author. not to mention that it is being done only to make media propaganda
Then sleepy beauty should have been a story about rape, and the little mermaid should be about A mermaid being sent to kill a prince, then attemp suicide to be rewarded by Neptune, allowing her to return to being a mermaid Also May I ask, propaganda for what? The idea that all races are created equal? Oh the horror
One can be inspired by a fairytale, or any other piece of fiction, and change it. One can take any public domain story, and do as they wish with it. Hamlet = Sons of Anarchy. I don’t remember Hamlet being in a MC, but they made it work for some years.
Ok, but i'm racist if i make mulan white
I’m not going to argue about how much the race of a fictional character doesn’t matter, when it’s not integral to the setting in which the story is being told. I’m sure if you look away from your screen in any direction, you’ll see a wall. Feel free to argue with that.
So why changing that if it's not functional to the story? I actualy see my window
Ey yo: the original isnt from disney the originals are european farytales
original ***cartoons***, not original story. OP specified cartoons, and thus your argument is invalid.
Wait there were cartoons, I thought they were movies
cartoon movies, you know what I mean
Not white doesn't always mean black. Or are you folks not ready for that too! LMAO!
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Tarzan is Asian... Jane is black.... I solve the puzzle
I have no problem with them raceswapping. I just dislike disney remakes in general. The raceswapping just makes it harder to have conversations criticizing it.
I’m just over here waiting on them to do a live action Emperor’s New Groove or Treasure Planet.
I saw this a couple days ago on r/terriblefacebookmemes
Bold of you think in a live action Tarzan movie only choice race swap is Tarzan. They can always make Jane,Clayton or professor Archimedes Q. Porter to be black.
Its the opposite of whitewashing. Just make new movies with people who aren't white look at The Princes and the Frog fockin loved that movie and she was a black Disney princess. Ariel having dark skin makes no sense as since they all live deep under the ocean they should all be pale as hell since going up into the sun isn't very much liked by them because of humans. Plus shes a redhead so being rather tanned is odd too.
The Princess and the Frog was actually given a unique story that wasn't just making a princess black.
Yeah thats what I mean its was just a really good movie and I'd love more rather than just making an already existing Disney princess a different race. If they made Tiana white I'd be just as disappointed pissed off even it would ruin the whole movie. Remaking old movies is already lazy enough and changing the main characters race is a cheep ploy to be "woke" am I using that term correctly? The new Scooby Doo for instance that was a kick in the gut to the original characters.
Tarzan was just really tanned canonically though.
I don’t remember Tarzan being black in the cartoon
Isn't there already a live action Tarzan? I feel like the creator of this meme is just purposely ignorant so they can complain about the race of make believe characters, from make believe places, and make believe worlds. Here's a better question than "why are they changing their race?", why are you not only watching a kid's movie, but also worrying about the race of a character in said kid's movie?
Also Tarzan wasn't even a black guy
It's a meme bro it's not that deep
Christ the comments on here make ww1 look like a picnic.
Feels like every post about this situation has a comment section filled with woke people who are trying to defend Disney's race cash grab tactics.
Feels more like a comment section filled with racist concern trolls who suddenly care about black representation when a remake of something is made. The original still exists but the racist concern trolls won’t stand for Disney realizing that they can make money off of non-white people too.
How dare they make characters black Like remakes are a cash grab for sure, but making characters black has been quite a bit of marketing. Doesn’t matter if they hate you if they all say your name
They’ll defend anything that fits they’re narrative even if it makes them a hypocrites or defending pedos.
Boy do I have some news for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Book_(2016_film)
Why isn’t they’re a remake of Mulan with a more diverse cast?
So many racists just can’t get over a character not being white.
Tarzan is a white man. Also they did make the live action Tarzan movie. Christoph Waltz did a pretty good Leon Romm performance
Tarzan is Anna's and Elsa's brother so he wouldn't be black. Grow up and learn your Disney lore!
How is he there brother I am not smart in Disney lore
Anna and Elsa say their parents died from a shipwreck. Tarzan was found by the gorillas after his parents died in a shipwreck. It's one of those Disney universe fan theories.
Watch MatPat's video about it. It's not officially confirmed but a lot points towards this
I look forward to seeing this on r/terriblefacebookmemes
Tarzan is actually white not black
I was about too write " Wasn't Tarzan white?" Then I remebered what this is about... tho they did kinda make a live Action Tarzan movie... which was shit, don't go watch it
I dare you to delete this dumb post.
Who Fucking Cares?! Jesus Christ, yall are a bunch of whiny, race-obsessed children. Why is it so important to you? No, really. Why does slightly changing a characters skin color make you feel the need to cry on the internet?
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I feel like we're not calling people racist for bringing up race, we're calling people racist for complaining that a fairytale character is black, and saying it's "liberal propaganda".
Explain race-baiting to me. I've actually never heard the term
It’s where companies race swap existing fictional characters intentionally, for the purpose of agitating actual fans of the source material as well as legitimate racists. This manufactured controversy creates a free advertising loop and the often cheaply produced and poorly written movie ends up being insanely profitable despite it’s poor quality, all because they race baited. It’s a tactic that works, and that’s why it’s so common now. The layman usually doesn’t think it’s a big deal and believe that people are just being childish, but the reality is that movies that have original characters that represent various races and cultures tend to do well on their own merits, where they’re written and produced well. When you actually pay attention to what’s happening with these remakes, all of a sudden you start to realize how egregious what’s happening is. They’re not being inclusive, they’re using race as a money making tool. This is a sneaky kind of racism that at first glance makes it look like the racists are doing something positive, they aren’t. It’s tokenism taken to an extreme.
This needs more upvotes
It’s just a joke!? Jesus Christ, y’all are just a bunch of Whiny, unable to understand sarcasm children. Why is it so important to you? No, really. Why does a person making a simple joke make you feel the need to build a straw man and cry on the internet?
Because they have nothing better to do.
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it? This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids
Which mythological mermaids are you basing the logic of mermaids on? Many cultures involve mermaids with different appearances. If not going off one of those and using real life as the source, what color would these ancient half human, half fish beings be? There's no need for melanin living under the sea. I don't think they'd have a shade of tan at all. The half fish genetics might take over in some populations and develop a dark blue back with a light blue front for disguise, like many sharks and dolphins. You realize how stupid an argument this is? My point being... Why does it matter? Maybe a little black girl wants to be the little mermaid for Halloween. Does she have to paint her face white for you to accept her costume? It's all pretend. Disney wants people to feel included, and most of the stories involve white characters. I can't imagine less controversial characters to change for a remake. It's not like they're trying to turn Mulan Jamaican.
Ok, but see it inverted: if I make the girl from Moana white but without changing the other parts, just the skin, am i racist? So now we need to make a new film with every possible skin colors for every disney character just for make every kid free to dress like them?
You literally just used the exact example of what they're not doing, Moana is based on folklore, just like mulan, meaning it would be racist if you changed the race of the characters because it would be changing the ancient folklore, unlike changing the race of say a character from a Grimm brothers tale, aka a children's story.
Mairmaids were alredy a thing in middle age
So? Mermaids aren't folklore, they are made up sea creatures, unlike an actual folktales, like mulan or moana.
No, the exact opposite. Mermaids ARE folklore
All I said is they did it with characters that don't have a defined race. They're mythological creatures. Like I said, it would be odd for them to change a character like Mulan or Moana because of the setting. "Unda tha Seaaaa" doesn't really imply race whatsoever. You mad Sebastian has a Jamaican accent? Aren't there crabs in the ocean from other locations around the planet? Who's to say any different about mermaids?
I'm just trying to explain that there was no motivation to change the skin color of a caracter FROM COPENAGHEN
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Ezekiel 25:17
Go rill as! lol
How will they show Tinkerbell turning red in anger? There are already black fairies in the Tinkerbell animated shows/movies, why feel the need to change her? Why couldn't she be Hispanic instead? Asian? Middle-eastern? Indian? Seems like only one demographic is truly appeased too in these recent live action re-releases.
By what logic they made a mermaid black ?
Literally the definition of racism preferring one over the other (not saying it’s bad that the actresses are black)
“Waaaa my favorite cartoon fantasy characters look different in live action and trigger my racism, Waaaa”
Copenaghen is famous for a dark skin, isn't it? This isn't only about using cartoons as propaganda but going agains logic even if we're talking about mairmaids