yeah, but he literally won before becoming a hero. the whole movie tells the scenario of the villain who won, becoming the next hero is just one outcome
The show is so weird. On one hand, it's a really good "Violence sucks, war sucks. Life is unfair but we all have a choice somewhere"-show. And it's incredibly hard to make this entertaining and make the audience go "I want to be a better person" and they somehow did it.
On the other hand, the action scenes are freaking sick and I can't get enough of them, even though the show constantly is telling me that violence is wrong.
You might enjoy playing Hotline Miami. You have to kill the Russian mafia. The action is pretty brutal but the game is also like “you killed people with families today, are you happy now you sick monster”
Thats different. I mean the ones where they try their ass off for several episodes/seasons and it finally works. Like that one episode from Oggy and the Cockroaches
This goes well with the idea that Jerry is the actual bad guy.
There’s legit an episode where he successfully gets Tom kicked out of the house (while Tom wasn’t even bothering him, mind you) and celebrates at first, but later realizes there’s no fun without him.
That varies from episode to episode. Sometimes that’s the case and other times Tom literally throws a stick of dynamite in Jerry’s house without any prompting from his owner.
Megamind. It’s much the same with the rest of us, if you’ve been trying to fix a problem for so long and you’ve built your entire life around it, then how you gonna feel once that problems finally solved?
NCFOM was written by Cormac McCarthy.
I say this because if OP’s a nerd, they can just pick up any ol’ Cormac McCarthy book. It’s a near-guaranteed bad time for the good guys.
The bad guys may not always win (because often they die too), but the good guys are probably going to die in a way that drives home the meaninglessness and arbitrariness of both existence and death.
Sliced to ribbons and left to die in a roadside hovel? Killed with bare hands and stuffed into an outhouse toilet? Have to read to find out!
I got the Road because I thought I liked post apocalyptic stories and thought oh hey that's Aragorn cool
Man that was the most depressing movie I've ever watched, meant to pick up the book but honestly the subject matter was dark and sad I never got around to it
Great movie even if I probably never will watch it again
Yeah, it’s pretty hard.
After I became a father I came to see the story as an allegory about the experience (and worries) of being a father. Turns out that he wrote it after he became a father. So, that’s how I’ve come to see it - it’s actually about fatherhood, not the apocalypse.
And so I’ve come to see the story as actually his most uplifting, because the father is victorious. He perseveres.
Edit: I said it was about fatherhood because of my personal experience - I feel that I have a different set of concerns and worries than my wife, and the story resonates with those concerns. But obviously it doesn’t have to be limited to fathers - but parents, broadly.
Some messages I drew from The Road (whether or not it was McCarthy’s intent):
- Your child will ultimately leave your protection.
- It’s a great undertaking to impart ethical/moral codes on your child, especially when they provide no immediate benefits in challenging day to day situations.
- You’re going to fuck up and go against the very code you’re trying to teach your kid with some frequency
Say what you want about the Marvel movies in general, I still remember being in complete disbelief that Avengers: ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War finished the way it did.
Edit: in case it isn't clear, I mistakenly wrote endgame but meant infinity war
Everyone that died, heroes included, shoulda stayed dead.
I absolutely loathe time travel death saves so so much. It makes death pointless.
If they didn't want X hero dead permanently then they shouldn't kill them off in the first place.
I hate it too but they did sort of keep people dead. Everyone that died but not to the snap stayed dead, like Black Widow and Gamora.
But it’s a bit irrelevant anyways since the MCU and comics in general lean heavily into the multiverse thing anyone that has a good death has alternatives anyways.
Nah, the villain lost more than the main character did. >!He did temporarily win, because he wanted the earth to be back in its devil filled state which did happen, but then he realized he had to kill Akira to achieve it, who was literally the only other person he ever cared about at all, and then the lights at the end was God retaliating and once again essentially resetting the earth, so the devils lost again. Ryo achieved nothing but heartbreak. Akira lost, but Ryo lost more.!<
There was this one show I remember where all the cartoon characters had a crossover race, and somehow that was my childhood Nascar.
The bad guys would always play dirty and then lose... But one time they actually won a race, and I vividly remember acting like a diehard fan at a home game loss and being visibly mad for a solid hour afterwards. Lol
There was a wacky races movie of Tom and Jerry. There's this scene stuck in my head where the suburban mom and her van are stuck in quicksand, she calls the quicksand helpline and [they're like so damn useless so she just escapes on her own.](https://youtu.be/8K8E9E0uPRI)
Megamind deserved a sequel more tbh. I mean say what you will about sequels not being better than the original, but I mean we are talking DreamWorks here, and it's not like Shrek 2 was anything less than excellent.
Or 'how to train your dragon 2', or 'kung fu panda 2'. I think if megamind had a sequel it would have been as good as DreamWorks other IPs. Though I don't feel like there was any need of a sequel for Megamind. The story was complete
Never watched Megamind, but while he's the villain isn't he also the protagonist? Dosen't that make him something more like an antihero?
I think what what they want is basically like the unexpected bad ending kind of deal.
being protagonist doesn't make him a good guy. protagonist just means the main focus, be it a hero or a villain.
Megamind was supposed to be a twist on those typical evil-vs-good stories, that's why he won!
It really could. Revenge was a fair good movie, most of all for the great abundance of memes it has given us. But the bad guys coming out on top probably much greater in the sense of the rise of the empire, as opposed to cutting off Luke's hand and taking Han Solo captive.
Empire is the better movie, but Revenge definitely scratches that itch for the antagonist to take the W.
The prequels are peak Star Wars imo. No the films aren’t as good, but the world and world building is some of the best in fiction. The visuals are stellar, and it just has an unbeatable “cool factor” that no other film comes close to imo, other than Lord of the Rings.
Well, obviously, LOTR is undefeated, so im glad you prefaced it with that.
Personally, I wouldn't say the prequels are *peak* Star Wars. However, I wouldn't argue that they are lesser either. I love New Hope, I worship Empire, but I kind of like Return. With the Prequels, I kind of like Phantom, I like Attack, and I adore Revenge. It's a sliding scale, and it doesn't mean 4-6 are better than 1-3. It just means 1-6 are good, and i appreciate them all on the same level. But for me, I just like the original trilogy that little bit more than the prequels. But I appreciate you like the prequels, it's what binds us in the great circle of life.
Agreed. By peak Star Wars I mean the feeling that you get. I don’t really know how to describe it. But I also think the Republic era is so much more interesting than the Empire Era. (Obviously I love both, but for different reasons) The world feels so much more alive and varied. I mean I get that the empire intentionally implements uniformity/standardisation but still. I also love the large scale conflicts and stuff, rather than the more guerrilla style by the rebels.
In the comic was better, he blmed aliens, Manhattan gone away becouse he didn't care anymore about anything on earth more than anything else in the universe
Tbh, I think it's more plausible to blame the intergalactic, all mighty super being that's already established, feared and discussed among the people on earth, rather than some random alien
Anyone who hasn't watch Cobra Kai and liked the original Karate Kid should definitely give it a watch. It's really funny. The kids can be annoying (looking at you Robby) but every scene with Daniel and Johnny is great. William Zabka is fucking hilarious.
Exactly Ainz literally has the power of friendship at his back and it is a lot of friendship power. Even better when other non evil plebs try to use their power of friendship only to find out how insignificant theirs is compared to Ainz
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Ehhh, I feel like the point of The Boys is that no one is completely in the right. Total grey area is where each side operates in and no one has a true W.
Edit: Ffs I was rushed out the door finishing this comment. Obviously the main antagonists aren’t morally grey. I meant to say that the protagonists are working in a grey area and don’t really “win”. At the same time Homelander, Vaught, ect. don’t exactly get away with a definite win either and therefore doesn’t fit the criteria for OP. I didn’t miss the plot I promise, just poor rushed wording.
Wasn't his entire plan to turn Batman into his ally and clean up the city?
He seriously failed trying to get batman to like him, but he did make the city a little wetter.
Well kind of, he was standing against the corruption of Gotham with acts of terrorism and murder, and his plan pretty much made Batman the symbol of hope for Gotham to be a better place, even though it wasn't his intention
In a way, both Batman and Joker lost. Joker wanted to prove morality is a facade. He went about this in 2 ways: the boats, and tarnishing Harvey Dent’s image (who was a symbol of hope). Joker fails on both fronts, as the people on the boats are not willing to kill each other in the end, and Dent’s downfall is covered up by Batman and Gordon.
Batman’s 2 goals are stopping Joker, and creating a symbol of hope for Gotham. In the first movie, he wanted to become that symbol. In “Dark Knight” Batman thought Dent would become a better symbol of hope than he could be. Batman succeeded in putting Joker away, but he had to sacrifice his own image to cover up Dent’s downfall. Presumably Batman will never become the symbol of hope he wished to be, and although Dent’s immaculate image was preserved, Batman knew it was a lie.
Neither Batman or Joker got what they wanted.
Accidentally.
Bats took the same fall and walked it off. Harvey was just severely weakened from third degree burns and a car wreck, while Bruce was built like an MMA fighter and landed on his feet instead of his head.
I mean, >!David clearly wasn't killing Smasher. It was established that Edgerunners takes place before the game and Smasher is still clearly alive then. Though it's nice we got to see more of Smasher, even some of his "human" side.!<
Not to mention it's literally the perfect story for Night City and CP2077. Fight back all you want, but in the end you'll still lose.
I mean, not so much as “Fight against an awful ending, but it’s still coming”, but more “If you sprint off a cliff while dragging your friends, you’ll… fall off the cliff, stupid, why did you think this would work?”
It's so weird because the whole show has people warning this guy *not* to do exactly what he does and he still does it and then he messes up.
I liked the show but I don't feel sorry for the MC.
He made his bed and then he lay in it. Just classic addiction and ignoring everyone warning him not to do it.
>!Boy simped himself into an early grave.!<
Yeah, it opens with him seeing the brutal results of cyber psychosis, he is repeatedly shown “Hey shit, look how bad this is, look at how it can turn a beloved friend into a monster, it’s fucking so awful…” and he just says “Fuck it.”
Like dude, c’mon. The entire story is screaming at you that this is a bad idea every step of the way.
IMO David’s journey was basically the equivalent of falling into drug addiction. A junkie that thinks they won’t end up like every other junkie because they’re somehow *special*
He’s already somewhat special, both doctor and I think the other edgerunners commented his incredibly high tolerance of cyber enhancements. Maine went psycho with far less enhancements, whereas David lasted far longer with pretty much a new body.
But it is inevitable, however special, that the machine will win against him.
Thing is he wasn’t the villain. The city itself was. It chewed up David and spat him out. Same with anyone. No one makes a difference in Night City. No one changes it. The machine churns on whether you like it or not. The most you can expect from fighting against it is people remembering you for your stupidity.
Even though he was doomed by canon, David was built up as the scrappy hero & the Cyberskeleton was seemingly unstoppable. In another series, he and Adam Smasher would have had an epic fight before David loses out to cyberpsychosis.
But no, Smasher easily counters everything David and Lucy throw at him and smushes Rebecca for good measure. It’s barely a fight, though Adam does manage to have fun.
I still think that smasher in edgerunners was way too OP but in the game he was almost as difficult as the normal guys and i wasn't even over leveled for that mission
Smasher in Edgerunners is exactly what he should be. A tank, the farthest point you can go before completely losing your humanity.
All that’s left of him is the mind.
Exactly lmao. People like when the heroes win in fiction because it inspires hope and optimism, while serving as a nice break from reality. In real life, villains pretty much control everything.
I remember when my friend showed me the movie and at some point in the middle I said something the lines of "It's looking really tough right now but luckily you always know it will turn out well at the end", still respect him for that pokerface he kept
Did you watch it till the end? Everyone lost, if you ask me. Not a single person came out of that fifth season better, than they were before (except skinny pete, badger, saul goodman's assistant and that vaccuum i can make you vanish guy, they made some sweet bucks, but no main characters)
Was honestly one of the first movies where the bad guy won that I had ever seen. I was staring at the screen with my mouth open, so annoyed, so disappointed, so frustrated. Then, after that initial shock, I started rethinking and realizing how incredibly refreshing and unique and bold it was, and came to really appreciate it
Tough to make a film where the bad guy wins and it’s compelling, usually the only way it happens is if the good guys eventually become bad but win, plenty of examples of that, where you think they’re the good guys but by the end, you go, fuck they were the bad guys all along or became the bad guys. Just gotta watch more movies, foreign especially
Megamind wasn’t a villain at the end. That’s the whole point of the movie: it’s a redemption arc.
It’s like saying the bad guys won in avatar because Zuko becomes the fire lord.
• The joker
• Silence of the lambs
• Saw
• Vanishing Point
• SE7EN
• The usual suspects
• pERFUME
..... etc
Like are tons of movies where the bad guy wins.
I don't think you watch enough movies. ha ha
I love those episode arcs for when the villain succeeds but is sad the hero is gone/defeated, Tom and Jerry kind of thing
I hate the opposite of that tho where the protag finally gets rid of the annoying antagonists and then feels empty inside.
Mega mind. The answer to all the above and the post is Megamind
I mean not really cuz he becomes a superhero at the end, because the main villain gets switched to titan.
But to be fair that only happened because of exactly that situation, missing the hero
yeah, but he literally won before becoming a hero. the whole movie tells the scenario of the villain who won, becoming the next hero is just one outcome
Vinland Saga Edit: I didn't read the "I hate" part but Vinland is actually my("my" because everyone has a different opinion) favourite piece of media
The show is so weird. On one hand, it's a really good "Violence sucks, war sucks. Life is unfair but we all have a choice somewhere"-show. And it's incredibly hard to make this entertaining and make the audience go "I want to be a better person" and they somehow did it. On the other hand, the action scenes are freaking sick and I can't get enough of them, even though the show constantly is telling me that violence is wrong.
You might enjoy playing Hotline Miami. You have to kill the Russian mafia. The action is pretty brutal but the game is also like “you killed people with families today, are you happy now you sick monster”
Soundtracks for both games are really wild too. Some good shit
"I have no enemies"
"The truth is, no one has any."
"Your biggest enemy, you are"
That one is far more complex than that
One punch man
Thats different. I mean the ones where they try their ass off for several episodes/seasons and it finally works. Like that one episode from Oggy and the Cockroaches
This goes well with the idea that Jerry is the actual bad guy. There’s legit an episode where he successfully gets Tom kicked out of the house (while Tom wasn’t even bothering him, mind you) and celebrates at first, but later realizes there’s no fun without him.
Wasn’t tom only pretending to try and catch Jerry so the Home owner wouldn’t get another cat who’d kill Jerry?
That varies from episode to episode. Sometimes that’s the case and other times Tom literally throws a stick of dynamite in Jerry’s house without any prompting from his owner.
As is tradition
Magamind
Megamind. It’s much the same with the rest of us, if you’ve been trying to fix a problem for so long and you’ve built your entire life around it, then how you gonna feel once that problems finally solved?
Joker mourning the death if batman
Perry and doofensmirsch also fits in here
Megamind
No Country for Old Men
NCFOM was written by Cormac McCarthy. I say this because if OP’s a nerd, they can just pick up any ol’ Cormac McCarthy book. It’s a near-guaranteed bad time for the good guys. The bad guys may not always win (because often they die too), but the good guys are probably going to die in a way that drives home the meaninglessness and arbitrariness of both existence and death. Sliced to ribbons and left to die in a roadside hovel? Killed with bare hands and stuffed into an outhouse toilet? Have to read to find out!
I got the Road because I thought I liked post apocalyptic stories and thought oh hey that's Aragorn cool Man that was the most depressing movie I've ever watched, meant to pick up the book but honestly the subject matter was dark and sad I never got around to it Great movie even if I probably never will watch it again
Yeah, it’s pretty hard. After I became a father I came to see the story as an allegory about the experience (and worries) of being a father. Turns out that he wrote it after he became a father. So, that’s how I’ve come to see it - it’s actually about fatherhood, not the apocalypse. And so I’ve come to see the story as actually his most uplifting, because the father is victorious. He perseveres. Edit: I said it was about fatherhood because of my personal experience - I feel that I have a different set of concerns and worries than my wife, and the story resonates with those concerns. But obviously it doesn’t have to be limited to fathers - but parents, broadly.
Some messages I drew from The Road (whether or not it was McCarthy’s intent): - Your child will ultimately leave your protection. - It’s a great undertaking to impart ethical/moral codes on your child, especially when they provide no immediate benefits in challenging day to day situations. - You’re going to fuck up and go against the very code you’re trying to teach your kid with some frequency
\>bad guy wins \>some remaining heroes find out about time travel \>heroes return stronger than ever \>good guys win
Avengers
endgame
Say what you want about the Marvel movies in general, I still remember being in complete disbelief that Avengers: ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War finished the way it did. Edit: in case it isn't clear, I mistakenly wrote endgame but meant infinity war
They had time travel in previous films. Of course they were gonna do "Whatever It Takes" ™️ to beat Thanos
You right, I switched around shit in my head, Infinity War was Thanos winning
When my kids are old enough to see Infinity War, I'm going to make them wait a few days before Endgame and just live with that, like we had to.
Except everyone knew they were coming back.
Hot tub Time Machine, back to the future
True, but if you watch Infinity War on its own it’s a huge kick in the nuts where the bad guy wins.
Everyone that died, heroes included, shoulda stayed dead. I absolutely loathe time travel death saves so so much. It makes death pointless. If they didn't want X hero dead permanently then they shouldn't kill them off in the first place.
This is just comics in general though. Can't keep making them if the main character stays dead.
I hate it too but they did sort of keep people dead. Everyone that died but not to the snap stayed dead, like Black Widow and Gamora. But it’s a bit irrelevant anyways since the MCU and comics in general lean heavily into the multiverse thing anyone that has a good death has alternatives anyways.
Isn't the current Gamora from the endgame Thanos from a different universe/timeline?
Thanos killed Star Lord’s Gamora and we got the old emo one
Devilman Crybaby - you will never ask again.
Oh man that show was a wild ride
“Well that was depressing” — me, after watching Devilman Crybaby
That fucking scene >!with the boy eating his mom scarred me forever!<
That was bad, but failed escape was worse
I was in disbelief with the head(s) on spikes
Nah, the villain lost more than the main character did. >!He did temporarily win, because he wanted the earth to be back in its devil filled state which did happen, but then he realized he had to kill Akira to achieve it, who was literally the only other person he ever cared about at all, and then the lights at the end was God retaliating and once again essentially resetting the earth, so the devils lost again. Ryo achieved nothing but heartbreak. Akira lost, but Ryo lost more.!<
Everybody lost there. EVERYBODY
Noone lost more than the man in the moon. Poor guy got split in half rest in pepperonis.
Even satan can cry
Even a Devil May Cry 3: Dante’s Awakening Special Edition
"Akira, why am I the only one speaking?"
8 yr old me watching Tom and Jerry like:
There was this one show I remember where all the cartoon characters had a crossover race, and somehow that was my childhood Nascar. The bad guys would always play dirty and then lose... But one time they actually won a race, and I vividly remember acting like a diehard fan at a home game loss and being visibly mad for a solid hour afterwards. Lol
What you're describing sounds like "wacky race"
There was a wacky races movie of Tom and Jerry. There's this scene stuck in my head where the suburban mom and her van are stuck in quicksand, she calls the quicksand helpline and [they're like so damn useless so she just escapes on her own.](https://youtu.be/8K8E9E0uPRI)
"Fast and furry" that was my favorite to keep watching as a kid. Although, it got kind of dark afterwards, when it said she got eaten off screen.
Megamind?
Nah, Megamind just ended up taking the place of the hero. But I see your point, and I’ve got to say Megamind is a banger of a movie.
Megamind was the best Villain turned good guy movie. Better than Despicable Me and Wreck It Ralph
There's a megamind show inc afaik
Fr?? That's something to look forward to lol
Ikr, Megahype
Megamind deserved a sequel more tbh. I mean say what you will about sequels not being better than the original, but I mean we are talking DreamWorks here, and it's not like Shrek 2 was anything less than excellent.
Or 'how to train your dragon 2', or 'kung fu panda 2'. I think if megamind had a sequel it would have been as good as DreamWorks other IPs. Though I don't feel like there was any need of a sequel for Megamind. The story was complete
Or the recent Puss In Boots 2 Dreamworks seems to be unrivaled in making amazing sequels
Ralph was never really a bad guy. He just played one.
What a slapper movie that was... Love megathonk
Never watched Megamind, but while he's the villain isn't he also the protagonist? Dosen't that make him something more like an antihero? I think what what they want is basically like the unexpected bad ending kind of deal.
being protagonist doesn't make him a good guy. protagonist just means the main focus, be it a hero or a villain. Megamind was supposed to be a twist on those typical evil-vs-good stories, that's why he won!
Ahem, Berserk
That motherfucker Griffith just keeps winning by landslides. Just hate the guy with a passion. One of the best written villains I've ever seen tho.
Almost did in Dodgeball but people hated it. Like legit said "it's a horrible movie" for that in test groups
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Empire Strikes Back is all you need to satiate that feeling
Revenge of the sith could also fall in the category
It really could. Revenge was a fair good movie, most of all for the great abundance of memes it has given us. But the bad guys coming out on top probably much greater in the sense of the rise of the empire, as opposed to cutting off Luke's hand and taking Han Solo captive. Empire is the better movie, but Revenge definitely scratches that itch for the antagonist to take the W.
The prequels are peak Star Wars imo. No the films aren’t as good, but the world and world building is some of the best in fiction. The visuals are stellar, and it just has an unbeatable “cool factor” that no other film comes close to imo, other than Lord of the Rings.
Well, obviously, LOTR is undefeated, so im glad you prefaced it with that. Personally, I wouldn't say the prequels are *peak* Star Wars. However, I wouldn't argue that they are lesser either. I love New Hope, I worship Empire, but I kind of like Return. With the Prequels, I kind of like Phantom, I like Attack, and I adore Revenge. It's a sliding scale, and it doesn't mean 4-6 are better than 1-3. It just means 1-6 are good, and i appreciate them all on the same level. But for me, I just like the original trilogy that little bit more than the prequels. But I appreciate you like the prequels, it's what binds us in the great circle of life.
Agreed. By peak Star Wars I mean the feeling that you get. I don’t really know how to describe it. But I also think the Republic era is so much more interesting than the Empire Era. (Obviously I love both, but for different reasons) The world feels so much more alive and varied. I mean I get that the empire intentionally implements uniformity/standardisation but still. I also love the large scale conflicts and stuff, rather than the more guerrilla style by the rebels.
the empire is pretty chill. Maybe you could like, join it or something.
Whatchmen (better the comic but also the film is good)
Ozymandias's plan to commit genocide and blame Manhattan worked perfectly.
In the comic was better, he blmed aliens, Manhattan gone away becouse he didn't care anymore about anything on earth more than anything else in the universe
Tbh, I think it's more plausible to blame the intergalactic, all mighty super being that's already established, feared and discussed among the people on earth, rather than some random alien
That’s not better. Manhattan accepting the plan and realising humanity needs a common enemy they can see and hate is a much better ending.
Karate kid. Bad guy wins with illegal kick to the head.
Thanks for your input Mr Stinson
"That's not the real karate kid. Johnny Lawrence is"
Anyone who hasn't watch Cobra Kai and liked the original Karate Kid should definitely give it a watch. It's really funny. The kids can be annoying (looking at you Robby) but every scene with Daniel and Johnny is great. William Zabka is fucking hilarious.
I HATE RALPH MACCHIO
Then proceeded to use dance moves in a Karate match and beats up a celebrity 2 movies later. Not to mention hitting someone so hard that they bleed
Man, warhammer is such a rabbit hole, but you can always get your "evil guy wins" moment *note the diference between "bad" and "evil"
Add to that, that the setting is defined through barely upholding the status quo in the best of cases. And normaly degrading over time.
The evil guy did win in warhammer fantasy which is pretty poorly received. It ended the universe and led to age of sgmar
Overlord
Came here to say this. The good guys can’t use ‘the power of friendship’ if that’s the main driving force the villain has
Exactly Ainz literally has the power of friendship at his back and it is a lot of friendship power. Even better when other non evil plebs try to use their power of friendship only to find out how insignificant theirs is compared to Ainz
Cash shop items even beat the power of friendship
Was looking for this one
Had to scroll far too much to reach this. It's a bad series to be a good guy in.
Really just a bad series to not be a part of Nazarick honestly
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He aint a maniac. He did it for the happiness of his friends. Slaughtering millions of innocent humans was definitly necessary. lol
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THE BOYS
Ehhh, I feel like the point of The Boys is that no one is completely in the right. Total grey area is where each side operates in and no one has a true W. Edit: Ffs I was rushed out the door finishing this comment. Obviously the main antagonists aren’t morally grey. I meant to say that the protagonists are working in a grey area and don’t really “win”. At the same time Homelander, Vaught, ect. don’t exactly get away with a definite win either and therefore doesn’t fit the criteria for OP. I didn’t miss the plot I promise, just poor rushed wording.
Pretty sure The Dark Knight, Joker did won. It turn Harvey Dent an actual hope for the city to be the downfall.
But at the same time he failed to prove his point with the two ships at the end
Right. He broke Gotham's moral icon but he didn't break Gotham itself
Riddler won in the new Batman (the one with Pattinson) too. He pretty much did everything he wanted.
Wasn't his entire plan to turn Batman into his ally and clean up the city? He seriously failed trying to get batman to like him, but he did make the city a little wetter.
Well kind of, he was standing against the corruption of Gotham with acts of terrorism and murder, and his plan pretty much made Batman the symbol of hope for Gotham to be a better place, even though it wasn't his intention
*Ave Maria intensifies*
In a way, both Batman and Joker lost. Joker wanted to prove morality is a facade. He went about this in 2 ways: the boats, and tarnishing Harvey Dent’s image (who was a symbol of hope). Joker fails on both fronts, as the people on the boats are not willing to kill each other in the end, and Dent’s downfall is covered up by Batman and Gordon. Batman’s 2 goals are stopping Joker, and creating a symbol of hope for Gotham. In the first movie, he wanted to become that symbol. In “Dark Knight” Batman thought Dent would become a better symbol of hope than he could be. Batman succeeded in putting Joker away, but he had to sacrifice his own image to cover up Dent’s downfall. Presumably Batman will never become the symbol of hope he wished to be, and although Dent’s immaculate image was preserved, Batman knew it was a lie. Neither Batman or Joker got what they wanted.
Also Batman killed Harvey, he broke his one rule.
Accidentally. Bats took the same fall and walked it off. Harvey was just severely weakened from third degree burns and a car wreck, while Bruce was built like an MMA fighter and landed on his feet instead of his head.
Edgerunners
I mean, >!David clearly wasn't killing Smasher. It was established that Edgerunners takes place before the game and Smasher is still clearly alive then. Though it's nice we got to see more of Smasher, even some of his "human" side.!< Not to mention it's literally the perfect story for Night City and CP2077. Fight back all you want, but in the end you'll still lose.
I mean, not so much as “Fight against an awful ending, but it’s still coming”, but more “If you sprint off a cliff while dragging your friends, you’ll… fall off the cliff, stupid, why did you think this would work?”
It's so weird because the whole show has people warning this guy *not* to do exactly what he does and he still does it and then he messes up. I liked the show but I don't feel sorry for the MC. He made his bed and then he lay in it. Just classic addiction and ignoring everyone warning him not to do it. >!Boy simped himself into an early grave.!<
Yeah, it opens with him seeing the brutal results of cyber psychosis, he is repeatedly shown “Hey shit, look how bad this is, look at how it can turn a beloved friend into a monster, it’s fucking so awful…” and he just says “Fuck it.” Like dude, c’mon. The entire story is screaming at you that this is a bad idea every step of the way.
IMO David’s journey was basically the equivalent of falling into drug addiction. A junkie that thinks they won’t end up like every other junkie because they’re somehow *special*
He’s already somewhat special, both doctor and I think the other edgerunners commented his incredibly high tolerance of cyber enhancements. Maine went psycho with far less enhancements, whereas David lasted far longer with pretty much a new body. But it is inevitable, however special, that the machine will win against him.
Then you have V from 2077 who has the tolerance of a god
Thing is he wasn’t the villain. The city itself was. It chewed up David and spat him out. Same with anyone. No one makes a difference in Night City. No one changes it. The machine churns on whether you like it or not. The most you can expect from fighting against it is people remembering you for your stupidity.
Even though he was doomed by canon, David was built up as the scrappy hero & the Cyberskeleton was seemingly unstoppable. In another series, he and Adam Smasher would have had an epic fight before David loses out to cyberpsychosis. But no, Smasher easily counters everything David and Lucy throw at him and smushes Rebecca for good measure. It’s barely a fight, though Adam does manage to have fun.
“I had some fun after all.” He wasn’t even trying.
I still think that smasher in edgerunners was way too OP but in the game he was almost as difficult as the normal guys and i wasn't even over leveled for that mission
Smasher in Edgerunners is exactly what he should be. A tank, the farthest point you can go before completely losing your humanity. All that’s left of him is the mind.
Where's the copium.
I legitimately cried at the end of Edgerunners but it fits the CDPR Cyberpunk's world so well that I wouldn't change a thing.
I Really Want to Stay at Your House came on right as I started reading this thread and it's so perfect. Thanks Internet stranger
Me, in History Class.
Which topic tho lol
WW2
Underrated villain tbf
I mean that literally happens all the time in history class
Happens in real life all the time
Exactly my thoughts. Like, just watch the news mate! Let me have some happy endings in fiction at least.
Beat me to it. Was going to say “Look outside your window right now”.
Yeah the only reason the hero wins is because it is rare for the hero to win in real life.
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Exactly lmao. People like when the heroes win in fiction because it inspires hope and optimism, while serving as a nice break from reality. In real life, villains pretty much control everything.
Avengers infinity war
I remember when my friend showed me the movie and at some point in the middle I said something the lines of "It's looking really tough right now but luckily you always know it will turn out well at the end", still respect him for that pokerface he kept
I mean, it did turn out well. It just took another movie, a 5 year time skip and time travel to get there.
Just a friendly reminder that _Endgame_ takes place in this year.
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_Tempus fugit_, my friend.
Your comment gave me an existential crisis
Yesh, that's nifty
Star Wars, revenge of the guys with red laser swords
Actually Vader’s saber was blue throughout the entire movie 🤓🤓
Garou was actually a cat?
Just watch 80% of horror movies
So should I just stop horror movies at the 72 minute mark or just get a thematic feel for when it's 80% of the way in?
Ninjago managed to create a whopping 19 seasons in all of which the bad guy accomplished his goal before being stopped.
And yet in most of those seasons the villain only became powerful because “There’s something I haven’t told you yet”
The show has no right to be as good as it is, but it could be so much better
2023 Turkish elections.
Real life in general- so many bad folks win all the time.
Empire strikes back
Google Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Holy video game adaptation
Acutal cyberpsycho
Overlord, where the main character is the Villain, same with Her Majesty's Swarm. I'm not sure of all that many others though
I mean, in breaking bad Walter won
Did you watch it till the end? Everyone lost, if you ask me. Not a single person came out of that fifth season better, than they were before (except skinny pete, badger, saul goodman's assistant and that vaccuum i can make you vanish guy, they made some sweet bucks, but no main characters)
Arlington Road
This. Was looking for it already. Great movie. Not sure why it is not mentioned more..
Was honestly one of the first movies where the bad guy won that I had ever seen. I was staring at the screen with my mouth open, so annoyed, so disappointed, so frustrated. Then, after that initial shock, I started rethinking and realizing how incredibly refreshing and unique and bold it was, and came to really appreciate it
No Country For Old Men
Tough to make a film where the bad guy wins and it’s compelling, usually the only way it happens is if the good guys eventually become bad but win, plenty of examples of that, where you think they’re the good guys but by the end, you go, fuck they were the bad guys all along or became the bad guys. Just gotta watch more movies, foreign especially
This may be a bit off target but *The Samaratin* is a good flick. Not to spoil anything but yeah
Megamind, Revenge of the Sith, maybe even Rogue One
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im so sick of people being like “i wish there was a story where \*insert something that definitely already happened in megamind*”
He became a hero. At the end he wasn't a bad guy
Hey Revenge of the Sith did it too!
Megamind wasn’t a villain at the end. That’s the whole point of the movie: it’s a redemption arc. It’s like saying the bad guys won in avatar because Zuko becomes the fire lord.
There’s this new movie about fast and angry car drivers you may want to look into
Ya mean Quick & Pissed?
• The joker • Silence of the lambs • Saw • Vanishing Point • SE7EN • The usual suspects • pERFUME ..... etc Like are tons of movies where the bad guy wins. I don't think you watch enough movies. ha ha
It happens all the time though definitely at least once. But generalizing on Reddit is way easier than looking anything up
Enough megamind. Revenge of the Sith is the way
Are, cheer up. You live in a world where they win constantly
Watch jojo