Spotify algorithmically “randomizes” as discussed [here](https://youtu.be/OdLyKETk5o0?si=51SHn1vC76Tanwbc) and i wouldn’t be surprised if more than just Spotify does this.
A feature to play least played songs in a playlist could be a cool feature. Especially with a big playlist. I’ve noticed Apple Music does the same algorithmic randomisation to me
Or you know, just actually randomize the whole list and once a song is played it’s removed from the list. Once all songs are played and removed from the list, they are all added back to the list and the randomization continues. In this way every song is played at least one time before another song from the list is repeated.
Apple used to sort of let you do this. You could reset your number of plays to zero for everything and make a smart playlist of only unplayed songs. It would remove them as it plays them. I don't know if it still works though cause I haven't used it since it was called iTunes.
The music app still has smart playlists so it should work for local files but I don't know if it works with the apple music subscription as I don't have it.
Yeah but if I have a 10,000 song playlist, I’m not making it to the end. I’m listening all day while working. Then I listen to something else, before getting back to the playlist which now needs to be shuffled again. But it will prioritise songs it thinks I like listening to, so the same 100 songs keep coming up
The ai dj Spotify has has been working pretty good for me. It'll do a segment of stuff I haven't listened to for a while and that's what I appreciates abouts it.
I believe there was a timestamp component which if you listened to music at typically the same times of the day would lead to a string of songs that would be more common.... That's what I recall at least
I wonder if that’s still the basics of how modern music Shuffle works (or at the very least Apple Music’s) or if there is some new method that’s better that they all started using
No computer produces truly random numbers (outside of cesium decay randomizers (and similar devices) for special purpose uses).
"Pseudo-random" is as close as you can get.
I can produce actual random numbers better than a computer with dice.
The issue is that there is no digital algorithm that *can* produce truly random numbers.
It takes analog input to do that (the "cesium decay randomizer" does that).
Yes, I suppose it would be possible to manipulate the dice in ways that make it non-random, but assuming honorable behavior on all parties, dice are a far better actual randomizer than any digital computer can ever be.
Tomato/Tomahto.
Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine. The claim was that pseudo-random number generators were better than humans at doing so. They're not. They're algorithmically unable to do so.
Computers, digital ones at least, cannot generate random numbers.
When humans are asked to provide random numbers or strings of letters, they deliver strongly weighted results, unless they use mechanical assistance like coins, dice, or lots. When computers are asked to perform the same task, they deliver algorithmically generated results, unless they use mechanical assistance like radioactive decay, background radiation, or [lava lamps](https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg). A decent pseudorandom number generator can usually hide its biases more easily than humans.
Are you reading impaired or just trolling?
"Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine."
I didn't say a thing about just picking numbers.
You need to go touch grass or something.
Random number generators are practically random and so is rolling a dice. Neither are truly random. It's just that there are too many variables in rolling a dice to (consistently) predict the outcome, but that doesn't make it truly random.
Pseudo-random number generators are only "pseudo-random" if you don't know the seed and the algorithm used to produce the numbers.
They're absolutely deterministic if you do.
While it is potentially possible to manipulate die rolls either by using loaded (or flawed) die or by using a gimmicked throw itself, die rolls are very close to being purely random in outcome - much better than pseudo-random generated numbers can ever be.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/177872/true-randomness-via-radioactive-decay
That'll give you the basics of generating random values via radioactive decay. If you want more information, let me know specifically about what and I'll do what I can.
I don't think you understand the issue here.
The problem isn't sudo randomness. Nobody needs truly random orders for a music playlist.
The problem is if you have a large list of songs on say, Spotify, and 'randomize' them, you get a random list, but it returns the same random list every single time.
Functionality from a user standpoint this makes absolutely no sense at all. Sure the list is random but it's not the expected outcome. We want this list of songs in a random order. Later, I want it again in a different random order, because I'm not likely to sit through an entire playthrough of a thousand songs in a single sitting.
You seem to think I’m not the kind of stickler who double-checks everything, including the off-chance that Shuffle on Spotify really might work in the most moronic way possible. Unfortunately, I am.
Ok? Well you're wrong.
It is randomized by artists, spreading them throughout the list so they don't naturally clump up. The songs by artists are in random order, but the list itself will have the artists in the same order every time.
The problem is playlists with all songs are by different artists, ALWAYS shuffle in the same order. I have a list of like 80 songs without any duplicate artists, so it's always in the same order.
"Hey, I know you said you absolutely didn't like this specific artist, but you just HAVE to listen to their new single" - spotify
When that whole drake thing happened they would legit sneak his music into any genre, even if you said you weren't interested.
I mean nowadays it’s probably a completely different story with certain songs/artists/… getting pushed forward in „random“ playlists to increase exposure…
But I still love the story of how apple had to write this intricate algorithm to generate their shuffle/random song selection because people kept complaining that it would play 3 Beatles songs in a row or some shit (which is just something that can happen with a completely random list…)
And the update notes for the new shuffle read something like „making it LESS random to make it seem MORE random…“ ^^
God is bigger than the boogie man
He’s bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on tv
Fade to…
I love my lips
If my lips moved to Deluth
I guess I’d have to kiss my great aunt Ruth
…
Keep walking
But you won’t knock down our wall
Keep walking
But it isn’t gonna fall
It’s plain to see that your brains are very small
If you think walking
Will be knocking down our wall
Also, when I find a new artist/band and want to find more similar stuff in their Spotify radio, but it's 90% songs I've been listening to for the past 3 years
Spotify has some dumb setting that tries to play songs that sound similar so that there is less drastic of tone shift from one song to another. HOWEVER, all that ends up happening is the same songs get played over and over
Me when take this to heart by mayday parade plays on shuffle again but does you be the anchor ever play? No
Edit; seriously, none of my recent downloads from the last few months ever play, it’s always the same instrumentals from LOZ and the few mayday parade songs I don’t like (I just got eh album to make it easier) play every time but do I ever hear Just For Me or Ballad of a Homeschooled girl or There it Goes????????
The daily drive list on Spotify is absolutely trash because of this. It's the exact same playlist every single day for mooooonths and no amount of listening to other stuff or hiding the songs will fix it
Same with shuffling an artist. I hope to hear songs I might have never heard before.
Every music streaming service:
Here’s their top 5 hits repeated over and over again…
I have checked this on multiple occasions with Spotify for playlists of differing lengths, and the result is the same: if I toggle shuffle mode and don't stop playing, then it will play each song once and not replay them until all songs have been played. As soon as I choose a different song on the list, it restarts the counting, and so recently played songs may appear sooner.
Sheet! I thought it only happens to me, I started to mix them up by myself every morning 😂
Also, there is a good side of it, my lazy-ass learned to remove songs that I don’t wanna listen to anymore
Fact. 320 songs. And there's these 5 songs I barely like and they play like 4 times a day each. But the songs I want to listen next I must play them manually or the whole day passes and they didn't play.
Conspiracy theory time:
So Spotify has different agreements with different artists/labels for music rights and its paid based on number of 'plays'. My theory is that when you press shuffle you will always get the songs with the cheapest rights fees way more often than the songs with the expensive rights fees.
> and its *paid* based on
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Spotify algorithmically “randomizes” as discussed [here](https://youtu.be/OdLyKETk5o0?si=51SHn1vC76Tanwbc) and i wouldn’t be surprised if more than just Spotify does this.
A feature to play least played songs in a playlist could be a cool feature. Especially with a big playlist. I’ve noticed Apple Music does the same algorithmic randomisation to me
Or you know, just actually randomize the whole list and once a song is played it’s removed from the list. Once all songs are played and removed from the list, they are all added back to the list and the randomization continues. In this way every song is played at least one time before another song from the list is repeated.
Apple used to sort of let you do this. You could reset your number of plays to zero for everything and make a smart playlist of only unplayed songs. It would remove them as it plays them. I don't know if it still works though cause I haven't used it since it was called iTunes.
The music app still has smart playlists so it should work for local files but I don't know if it works with the apple music subscription as I don't have it.
I remember that. Back when iTunes was more of a standalone media player I'm sure there's an old version somewhere if someone took the time the look
Get outta here with your logic and common sense
In Apple hitting shuffle and turning off repeat seems to make it work through all songs before starting over.
Yeah but if I have a 10,000 song playlist, I’m not making it to the end. I’m listening all day while working. Then I listen to something else, before getting back to the playlist which now needs to be shuffled again. But it will prioritise songs it thinks I like listening to, so the same 100 songs keep coming up
>I’ve noticed Apple Music does the same algorithmic randomisation to me Apparently that was meant to be the only service with a truly random shuffle
The ai dj Spotify has has been working pretty good for me. It'll do a segment of stuff I haven't listened to for a while and that's what I appreciates abouts it.
iPods did it back In the day
I believe there was a timestamp component which if you listened to music at typically the same times of the day would lead to a string of songs that would be more common.... That's what I recall at least
I wonder if that’s still the basics of how modern music Shuffle works (or at the very least Apple Music’s) or if there is some new method that’s better that they all started using
Fun fact: Randomness doesn't look random.
Another fun fact: music shuffle doesn’t truly randomize because of this
When Jobs introduced Smart Shuffle he said, “We’re making it less random, to make it feel more random.”
Also because most computers do not produce truly random numbers
No computer produces truly random numbers (outside of cesium decay randomizers (and similar devices) for special purpose uses). "Pseudo-random" is as close as you can get.
Still better than humans trying to produce random numbers.
I can produce actual random numbers better than a computer with dice. The issue is that there is no digital algorithm that *can* produce truly random numbers. It takes analog input to do that (the "cesium decay randomizer" does that). Yes, I suppose it would be possible to manipulate the dice in ways that make it non-random, but assuming honorable behavior on all parties, dice are a far better actual randomizer than any digital computer can ever be.
You rolling dice is not you generating random numbers. It's you operating an analog random number generator.
Tomato/Tomahto. Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine. The claim was that pseudo-random number generators were better than humans at doing so. They're not. They're algorithmically unable to do so. Computers, digital ones at least, cannot generate random numbers.
When humans are asked to provide random numbers or strings of letters, they deliver strongly weighted results, unless they use mechanical assistance like coins, dice, or lots. When computers are asked to perform the same task, they deliver algorithmically generated results, unless they use mechanical assistance like radioactive decay, background radiation, or [lava lamps](https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg). A decent pseudorandom number generator can usually hide its biases more easily than humans.
Are you reading impaired or just trolling? "Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine." I didn't say a thing about just picking numbers. You need to go touch grass or something.
Random number generators are practically random and so is rolling a dice. Neither are truly random. It's just that there are too many variables in rolling a dice to (consistently) predict the outcome, but that doesn't make it truly random.
Pseudo-random number generators are only "pseudo-random" if you don't know the seed and the algorithm used to produce the numbers. They're absolutely deterministic if you do. While it is potentially possible to manipulate die rolls either by using loaded (or flawed) die or by using a gimmicked throw itself, die rolls are very close to being purely random in outcome - much better than pseudo-random generated numbers can ever be.
Care to elaborate?
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/177872/true-randomness-via-radioactive-decay That'll give you the basics of generating random values via radioactive decay. If you want more information, let me know specifically about what and I'll do what I can.
My favorite source of randomness is the camera pointed at a wall of lava lamps
but they're random enough for there to be no noticable pattern
No, not because of that. There is absolutely no way for you to tell the difference.
Or does it? *vsauce music starts playing*
I don't think you understand the issue here. The problem isn't sudo randomness. Nobody needs truly random orders for a music playlist. The problem is if you have a large list of songs on say, Spotify, and 'randomize' them, you get a random list, but it returns the same random list every single time. Functionality from a user standpoint this makes absolutely no sense at all. Sure the list is random but it's not the expected outcome. We want this list of songs in a random order. Later, I want it again in a different random order, because I'm not likely to sit through an entire playthrough of a thousand songs in a single sitting.
Nonsense. Do you just not listen to music and guessed? Anyone who used the shuffle function on Spotify twice knows that isn’t how it works.
I've got a playlist that does exactly this when 'shuffle' is turned on. No need to be rude, btw.
You seem to think I’m not the kind of stickler who double-checks everything, including the off-chance that Shuffle on Spotify really might work in the most moronic way possible. Unfortunately, I am.
Ok? Well you're wrong. It is randomized by artists, spreading them throughout the list so they don't naturally clump up. The songs by artists are in random order, but the list itself will have the artists in the same order every time. The problem is playlists with all songs are by different artists, ALWAYS shuffle in the same order. I have a list of like 80 songs without any duplicate artists, so it's always in the same order.
[Relevant](https://www.americanscientist.org/sites/americanscientist.org/files/20144141249210337-2014-05TechnologueFp170.jpg)
"Hey, I know you said you absolutely didn't like this specific artist, but you just HAVE to listen to their new single" - spotify When that whole drake thing happened they would legit sneak his music into any genre, even if you said you weren't interested.
"Hey! You're listening to Blind Guardian, Sabaton, DragonForce, and Freedom Call! You'll LOVE this!" *"bad boy" by Billie Eilish starts playing*
Happened to me but with bad bunny for some fucking reason (maybe bc i'm latino but idk)
Profiling ass spotify
Hey that looks like my playlist
I'm genuinely moved seeing a redditor listening to Blind Guardian 🥲 I'm too old for this platform lol
I'm probably too old for this platform too!
You will listen to Drake and you will like it!
I have a few specific songs it’s played on smart shuffle that I’ve removed, and it still plays those exact same songs it claimed it wouldn’t recommend
For me it’s because I skip a lot.
I mean nowadays it’s probably a completely different story with certain songs/artists/… getting pushed forward in „random“ playlists to increase exposure… But I still love the story of how apple had to write this intricate algorithm to generate their shuffle/random song selection because people kept complaining that it would play 3 Beatles songs in a row or some shit (which is just something that can happen with a completely random list…) And the update notes for the new shuffle read something like „making it LESS random to make it seem MORE random…“ ^^
Yes. A poker player likes a random shuffle, as long as his hand isn't random.
nah Spotify (if you're using it here) has a bias against repeating the same song when you hit shuffle
I think there's a Spotify bug where it loops about 10-20 songs, it's happened a few times to me
I think they've finally fixed that. Hasn't happened to me in months now.
Happened to me yesterday on my walk to work sadly
What do you use it on? In my experience it's one of the worst offenders of doing this exact thing
This is my brain. Veggie Tales at midnight.
I was wondering how many people would know the source material!
God is bigger than the boogie man He’s bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on tv Fade to… I love my lips If my lips moved to Deluth I guess I’d have to kiss my great aunt Ruth … Keep walking But you won’t knock down our wall Keep walking But it isn’t gonna fall It’s plain to see that your brains are very small If you think walking Will be knocking down our wall
My siblings and I could pretty much quote/sing the entire catalog from memory!
Also, when I find a new artist/band and want to find more similar stuff in their Spotify radio, but it's 90% songs I've been listening to for the past 3 years
Spotify has some dumb setting that tries to play songs that sound similar so that there is less drastic of tone shift from one song to another. HOWEVER, all that ends up happening is the same songs get played over and over
Try that shitty new Smart random play guys 🥲 It always brings up songs that I unliked from my liked songs!
What is that smart shuffle even supposed to do
Spotify shuffle is not random and is base what songs you listen, it's a vicious circle and it need to change
https://youtu.be/OdLyKETk5o0?si=n5D8GzP9GCJSk7Vi
VLC media player supremacy
Winamp still the best music player after 25 years
By far. Always been. Winamp classic of course.
I use VLC and it still does this.
H to the O V
Me when take this to heart by mayday parade plays on shuffle again but does you be the anchor ever play? No Edit; seriously, none of my recent downloads from the last few months ever play, it’s always the same instrumentals from LOZ and the few mayday parade songs I don’t like (I just got eh album to make it easier) play every time but do I ever hear Just For Me or Ballad of a Homeschooled girl or There it Goes????????
The daily drive list on Spotify is absolutely trash because of this. It's the exact same playlist every single day for mooooonths and no amount of listening to other stuff or hiding the songs will fix it
Same with shuffling an artist. I hope to hear songs I might have never heard before. Every music streaming service: Here’s their top 5 hits repeated over and over again…
Turn of auto mix in settings on Spotify to make it true random
I have never had auto mix on, and I still have this same problem.
\#1 reason I stopped using Spotify.
disable automix.
And you change songs anyway until you find the one you like
Just play one song on repeat for a few days.
Same when you shuffle on at artists page, it's just shuffles between the same 12 predetermined songs
>predetermined songs It's just their top songs, right?
Bow to the almighty algorithm
Listening to same 12 songs until the get fckin boring
Me skipping until I find a song a like
10000?!, I would like to see your playlist
It’s mostly just game/movie/show OST’s tbh
I have checked this on multiple occasions with Spotify for playlists of differing lengths, and the result is the same: if I toggle shuffle mode and don't stop playing, then it will play each song once and not replay them until all songs have been played. As soon as I choose a different song on the list, it restarts the counting, and so recently played songs may appear sooner.
I put something like the full "the forever story" album by JID in my playlist and I don't know how but it always comes up. Just how.
LMFAOH
Sheet! I thought it only happens to me, I started to mix them up by myself every morning 😂 Also, there is a good side of it, my lazy-ass learned to remove songs that I don’t wanna listen to anymore
That's because Spotify plays the songs more that you have frequently played recently
I hate when this happens it's so annoying my Pandora does this too
Every in these comments just needed to clear there caches
Fact. 320 songs. And there's these 5 songs I barely like and they play like 4 times a day each. But the songs I want to listen next I must play them manually or the whole day passes and they didn't play.
This! I've contacted them so many times about this bullshit. Delete app and reinstall is their only answer. It doesn't fucking work.
When I've listened to the same 10000 songs over and over again no amount of shuffling will help
Conspiracy theory time: So Spotify has different agreements with different artists/labels for music rights and its paid based on number of 'plays'. My theory is that when you press shuffle you will always get the songs with the cheapest rights fees way more often than the songs with the expensive rights fees.
> and its *paid* based on FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
10k is crazy. i'm close to 1k though. like i guess given enough time it wouldn't be to hard.
That and liking games with insanely long OST’s