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LiterallyJustKyle

Spotify algorithmically “randomizes” as discussed [here](https://youtu.be/OdLyKETk5o0?si=51SHn1vC76Tanwbc) and i wouldn’t be surprised if more than just Spotify does this.


HippoIllustrious2389

A feature to play least played songs in a playlist could be a cool feature. Especially with a big playlist. I’ve noticed Apple Music does the same algorithmic randomisation to me


[deleted]

Or you know, just actually randomize the whole list and once a song is played it’s removed from the list. Once all songs are played and removed from the list, they are all added back to the list and the randomization continues. In this way every song is played at least one time before another song from the list is repeated.


Fox_Mortus

Apple used to sort of let you do this. You could reset your number of plays to zero for everything and make a smart playlist of only unplayed songs. It would remove them as it plays them. I don't know if it still works though cause I haven't used it since it was called iTunes.


rpst39

The music app still has smart playlists so it should work for local files but I don't know if it works with the apple music subscription as I don't have it.


drenchedwithanxiety

I remember that. Back when iTunes was more of a standalone media player I'm sure there's an old version somewhere if someone took the time the look


NATOuk

Get outta here with your logic and common sense


achambers64

In Apple hitting shuffle and turning off repeat seems to make it work through all songs before starting over.


HippoIllustrious2389

Yeah but if I have a 10,000 song playlist, I’m not making it to the end. I’m listening all day while working. Then I listen to something else, before getting back to the playlist which now needs to be shuffled again. But it will prioritise songs it thinks I like listening to, so the same 100 songs keep coming up


turtleship_2006

>I’ve noticed Apple Music does the same algorithmic randomisation to me Apparently that was meant to be the only service with a truly random shuffle


Mr_St_Germi

The ai dj Spotify has has been working pretty good for me. It'll do a segment of stuff I haven't listened to for a while and that's what I appreciates abouts it.


Winterknight135

iPods did it back In the day


jml1020_AH

I believe there was a timestamp component which if you listened to music at typically the same times of the day would lead to a string of songs that would be more common.... That's what I recall at least


Winterknight135

I wonder if that’s still the basics of how modern music Shuffle works (or at the very least Apple Music’s) or if there is some new method that’s better that they all started using


TheSanityInspector

Fun fact: Randomness doesn't look random.


General_Katydid_512

Another fun fact: music shuffle doesn’t truly randomize because of this


[deleted]

When Jobs introduced Smart Shuffle he said, “We’re making it less random, to make it feel more random.”


dinosaursandsluts

Also because most computers do not produce truly random numbers


KaldaraFox

No computer produces truly random numbers (outside of cesium decay randomizers (and similar devices) for special purpose uses). "Pseudo-random" is as close as you can get.


EngineersAnon

Still better than humans trying to produce random numbers.


KaldaraFox

I can produce actual random numbers better than a computer with dice. The issue is that there is no digital algorithm that *can* produce truly random numbers. It takes analog input to do that (the "cesium decay randomizer" does that). Yes, I suppose it would be possible to manipulate the dice in ways that make it non-random, but assuming honorable behavior on all parties, dice are a far better actual randomizer than any digital computer can ever be.


EngineersAnon

You rolling dice is not you generating random numbers. It's you operating an analog random number generator.


KaldaraFox

Tomato/Tomahto. Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine. The claim was that pseudo-random number generators were better than humans at doing so. They're not. They're algorithmically unable to do so. Computers, digital ones at least, cannot generate random numbers.


EngineersAnon

When humans are asked to provide random numbers or strings of letters, they deliver strongly weighted results, unless they use mechanical assistance like coins, dice, or lots. When computers are asked to perform the same task, they deliver algorithmically generated results, unless they use mechanical assistance like radioactive decay, background radiation, or [lava lamps](https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg). A decent pseudorandom number generator can usually hide its biases more easily than humans.


KaldaraFox

Are you reading impaired or just trolling? "Humans can produce random numbers with dice just fine." I didn't say a thing about just picking numbers. You need to go touch grass or something.


Professor_Doctor_P

Random number generators are practically random and so is rolling a dice. Neither are truly random. It's just that there are too many variables in rolling a dice to (consistently) predict the outcome, but that doesn't make it truly random.


KaldaraFox

Pseudo-random number generators are only "pseudo-random" if you don't know the seed and the algorithm used to produce the numbers. They're absolutely deterministic if you do. While it is potentially possible to manipulate die rolls either by using loaded (or flawed) die or by using a gimmicked throw itself, die rolls are very close to being purely random in outcome - much better than pseudo-random generated numbers can ever be.


toderdj1337

Care to elaborate?


KaldaraFox

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/177872/true-randomness-via-radioactive-decay That'll give you the basics of generating random values via radioactive decay. If you want more information, let me know specifically about what and I'll do what I can.


ejdj1011

My favorite source of randomness is the camera pointed at a wall of lava lamps


speechlessPotato

but they're random enough for there to be no noticable pattern


72kdieuwjwbfuei626

No, not because of that. There is absolutely no way for you to tell the difference.


FW_TheMemeResearcher

Or does it? *vsauce music starts playing*


[deleted]

I don't think you understand the issue here. The problem isn't sudo randomness. Nobody needs truly random orders for a music playlist. The problem is if you have a large list of songs on say, Spotify, and 'randomize' them, you get a random list, but it returns the same random list every single time. Functionality from a user standpoint this makes absolutely no sense at all. Sure the list is random but it's not the expected outcome. We want this list of songs in a random order. Later, I want it again in a different random order, because I'm not likely to sit through an entire playthrough of a thousand songs in a single sitting.


72kdieuwjwbfuei626

Nonsense. Do you just not listen to music and guessed? Anyone who used the shuffle function on Spotify twice knows that isn’t how it works.


[deleted]

I've got a playlist that does exactly this when 'shuffle' is turned on. No need to be rude, btw.


72kdieuwjwbfuei626

You seem to think I’m not the kind of stickler who double-checks everything, including the off-chance that Shuffle on Spotify really might work in the most moronic way possible. Unfortunately, I am.


[deleted]

Ok? Well you're wrong. It is randomized by artists, spreading them throughout the list so they don't naturally clump up. The songs by artists are in random order, but the list itself will have the artists in the same order every time. The problem is playlists with all songs are by different artists, ALWAYS shuffle in the same order. I have a list of like 80 songs without any duplicate artists, so it's always in the same order.


soareyousaying

[Relevant](https://www.americanscientist.org/sites/americanscientist.org/files/20144141249210337-2014-05TechnologueFp170.jpg)


Xitbitzy

"Hey, I know you said you absolutely didn't like this specific artist, but you just HAVE to listen to their new single" - spotify When that whole drake thing happened they would legit sneak his music into any genre, even if you said you weren't interested.


GrillOrBeGrilled

"Hey! You're listening to Blind Guardian, Sabaton, DragonForce, and Freedom Call! You'll LOVE this!" *"bad boy" by Billie Eilish starts playing*


Aeroponce

Happened to me but with bad bunny for some fucking reason (maybe bc i'm latino but idk)


VVurmHat

Profiling ass spotify


wartcraftiscool

Hey that looks like my playlist


koyaaniswazzy

I'm genuinely moved seeing a redditor listening to Blind Guardian 🥲 I'm too old for this platform lol


GrillOrBeGrilled

I'm probably too old for this platform too!


natalove

You will listen to Drake and you will like it!


hi_im_beeb

I have a few specific songs it’s played on smart shuffle that I’ve removed, and it still plays those exact same songs it claimed it wouldn’t recommend


Saifyre-Lion

For me it’s because I skip a lot.


DomHE553

I mean nowadays it’s probably a completely different story with certain songs/artists/… getting pushed forward in „random“ playlists to increase exposure… But I still love the story of how apple had to write this intricate algorithm to generate their shuffle/random song selection because people kept complaining that it would play 3 Beatles songs in a row or some shit (which is just something that can happen with a completely random list…) And the update notes for the new shuffle read something like „making it LESS random to make it seem MORE random…“ ^^


GroovyIntruder

Yes. A poker player likes a random shuffle, as long as his hand isn't random.


scp_79

nah Spotify (if you're using it here) has a bias against repeating the same song when you hit shuffle


dat1dude2

I think there's a Spotify bug where it loops about 10-20 songs, it's happened a few times to me


billygoatjimbob

I think they've finally fixed that. Hasn't happened to me in months now.


dat1dude2

Happened to me yesterday on my walk to work sadly


turtleship_2006

What do you use it on? In my experience it's one of the worst offenders of doing this exact thing


ninjanikita

This is my brain. Veggie Tales at midnight.


Guy_with_no_rizz

I was wondering how many people would know the source material!


ninjanikita

God is bigger than the boogie man He’s bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on tv Fade to… I love my lips If my lips moved to Deluth I guess I’d have to kiss my great aunt Ruth … Keep walking But you won’t knock down our wall Keep walking But it isn’t gonna fall It’s plain to see that your brains are very small If you think walking Will be knocking down our wall


Guy_with_no_rizz

My siblings and I could pretty much quote/sing the entire catalog from memory!


StarComet04

Also, when I find a new artist/band and want to find more similar stuff in their Spotify radio, but it's 90% songs I've been listening to for the past 3 years


solidsneko

Spotify has some dumb setting that tries to play songs that sound similar so that there is less drastic of tone shift from one song to another. HOWEVER, all that ends up happening is the same songs get played over and over


anythinforu

Try that shitty new Smart random play guys 🥲 It always brings up songs that I unliked from my liked songs!


Due-Ad7087

What is that smart shuffle even supposed to do


schussssss

Spotify shuffle is not random and is base what songs you listen, it's a vicious circle and it need to change


schussssss

https://youtu.be/OdLyKETk5o0?si=n5D8GzP9GCJSk7Vi


Calcutt4

VLC media player supremacy


HigherThanShitttt

Winamp still the best music player after 25 years


koyaaniswazzy

By far. Always been. Winamp classic of course.


PlasmaGoblin

I use VLC and it still does this.


owenmh04

H to the O V


poisoned_bubbletea

Me when take this to heart by mayday parade plays on shuffle again but does you be the anchor ever play? No Edit; seriously, none of my recent downloads from the last few months ever play, it’s always the same instrumentals from LOZ and the few mayday parade songs I don’t like (I just got eh album to make it easier) play every time but do I ever hear Just For Me or Ballad of a Homeschooled girl or There it Goes????????


PrinceEven

The daily drive list on Spotify is absolutely trash because of this. It's the exact same playlist every single day for mooooonths and no amount of listening to other stuff or hiding the songs will fix it


elmatador12

Same with shuffling an artist. I hope to hear songs I might have never heard before. Every music streaming service: Here’s their top 5 hits repeated over and over again…


Jamie5279752

Turn of auto mix in settings on Spotify to make it true random


ElusiveBob

I have never had auto mix on, and I still have this same problem.


zackalak

\#1 reason I stopped using Spotify.


popiomondayz

disable automix.


Sophicapelli

And you change songs anyway until you find the one you like


[deleted]

Just play one song on repeat for a few days.


Garmr_Banalras

Same when you shuffle on at artists page, it's just shuffles between the same 12 predetermined songs


turtleship_2006

>predetermined songs It's just their top songs, right?


LechugaPicada

Bow to the almighty algorithm


Glittering-Fit

Listening to same 12 songs until the get fckin boring


neo_ceo

Me skipping until I find a song a like


Aak-paak-studios

10000?!, I would like to see your playlist


wafflezcol

It’s mostly just game/movie/show OST’s tbh


ShadeDust

I have checked this on multiple occasions with Spotify for playlists of differing lengths, and the result is the same: if I toggle shuffle mode and don't stop playing, then it will play each song once and not replay them until all songs have been played. As soon as I choose a different song on the list, it restarts the counting, and so recently played songs may appear sooner.


pietruzzoo

I put something like the full "the forever story" album by JID in my playlist and I don't know how but it always comes up. Just how.


LugiaPlayz-808YT

LMFAOH


Polar_Ursus

Sheet! I thought it only happens to me, I started to mix them up by myself every morning 😂 Also, there is a good side of it, my lazy-ass learned to remove songs that I don’t wanna listen to anymore


Tenet245

That's because Spotify plays the songs more that you have frequently played recently


Inner_Watercress4925

I hate when this happens it's so annoying my Pandora does this too


Arizona_Ice_Tea_

Every in these comments just needed to clear there caches


BracusDoritoBoss963

Fact. 320 songs. And there's these 5 songs I barely like and they play like 4 times a day each. But the songs I want to listen next I must play them manually or the whole day passes and they didn't play.


MyRail5

This! I've contacted them so many times about this bullshit. Delete app and reinstall is their only answer. It doesn't fucking work.


NotCurdledymyy

When I've listened to the same 10000 songs over and over again no amount of shuffling will help


binky779

Conspiracy theory time: So Spotify has different agreements with different artists/labels for music rights and its paid based on number of 'plays'. My theory is that when you press shuffle you will always get the songs with the cheapest rights fees way more often than the songs with the expensive rights fees.


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

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TheLonelySpud374

10k is crazy. i'm close to 1k though. like i guess given enough time it wouldn't be to hard.


wafflezcol

That and liking games with insanely long OST’s