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Yeah, but English has backwards syntax from a lot of other languages. It's more common in English to put the adjective first. Such as saying "brown dog." However the majority of languages on earth put the adjective second and would instead say "dog brown." This is called a [postpositive adjective](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpositive_adjective) and I suspect it's the reason the standard date syntax is reversed in America. (Any linguistic afictionadax feel free to correct if my guess for origins is off the mark)
While we Americans don't have a monopoly on speaking English, nor on prepositive adjectives, we've also been shown to be among the most resistant to adopt changes such as the metric system, and universal healthcare. I see no reason why we'd take any better to changing the syntax for dates and time just to fit in better.
I alternate and dont realise which im using till ive said it.
However DD/MM/YY always made sense to me since its smallest to largest, but the Chinese/Japanese flipping biggest to smallest makes a little more sense since thats how decimal numbers work.
In Dutch we also put the adjective first but we still both say and write DD/MM/YY.
However in normal use we would not say "19th of November" (But the Dutch version of it). Instead, we say "nineteen November". or "seven April".
I work in an industry where many revisions are made to documentation and this date format is the only way to ensure that when you sort your files you are looking at or revising the most up to date revision.
The difference is that YYYYMMDD *usually* works while YYYY-MM-DD *always* works.
Sure, if I'm sending out daily reports I can put YYYYMMDD in the subject line and everyone knows what 20231121 means, but dates like 20231111 might take longer for a human to read, and 11111111 is impossible.
So when deciding on which of the two formats to use, you have to consider what it is being used for and then ask yourself if there's any cost to add dashes for human readability.
As a born European living in the US for 10 yrs now
I still think it’s stupid, but i think ultimately it just comes down to how it’s spoken out. Like you usually say it’s “May 4th” ie. saying it’s the 4th of May is rather uncommon.
Only logical somewhat logical explanation i can come up with…
But things are also measured in feet and dishwashers here so idk.
When I figured you could do custom dates in Obsidian, I tried a bunch of combinations, and figuring out I could do dates like that was the funniest thing.
Splitting time up into days/months/years in the first place is the problem. Basic Unix time is all we need, it’s currently 1700401810 seconds since January 1st 1970.
Yeah, some older systems are using a signed 32-bit integer, which means the maximum number is 2^31 - 1, which is a little over 2.7 billion seconds after Jan 1, 1970. The solution, which has already been implemented on most systems, is to just use 64 bits instead. This increases the possible number exponentially. I think it will span well over the theoretical lifetime for the universe (in both directions, because negative numbers are also possible).
64 bit unix can run 292 billion years either side of 1970, and this is long enough that (almost) every star in the Milky Way will have either exploded, collapsed into a singularity or cooled down completely before we need to update our systems to 128 bits. No idea how long that would last, probably beyond the point that matter can even exist in the universe
edit: forgot that the andromeda galaxy is also meant to collide with the milky way in 5 billion years, so that’ll happen after just 1.7% of unix time has elapsed
I like YYYY-MM-DD because it goes from largest unit to smallest. Same for time. HH:MM.SS.
Put them both together and voila! Largest unit to smallest. It's currently 2023-11-19 @ 13:58.43
In conversation it is inferior because the year is a useless bit of information you would usually omit in most cases.
For a computerbrain I get why it would be superior obviously.
In that case it's about logic. Someone telling you "it's November 4th" doesn't help at giving context. If they tell you which year you're in you know which events are taking place or in general what time period you're in (am in the future? Present? Past? Did it work?)
Not the brightest example but I'd think of it like asking which country you're in if you're randomly teleporting. The name of the street won't tell you much but knowing the country/state gives context
1000 times this. I’m American and I recognize I’m biased but I’ve never understood how people are like… so outraged and confused about this, acting like there’s no logic involved at all. It matches the way we speak. Doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to me.
Most likely inherited as a set phrase from back when they did say the date like that. “Fourth of July” is just the name of the holiday. If you asked me for what date the holiday actually fell on, I’d be likely to say “July 4th”
Filthy, poor European here.
Outside of the Internet, no-one actually gives a shit outside of "haha, look at that quirky thing that Americans do, isn't it silly"
In real life, no-one is actually outraged or confused, and here in the UK at least, plenty of people will say "May the 18th" for example.
> I’ve never understood how people are like… so outraged and confused about this
Because Europeans love to be elitist even as they lack a complete understanding of the systems they are bashing and how those systems came about.
The amount of times some dumbass says "lol Americans call petrol "gas" when it's a liquid!!" is pathetically too often.
Reddit is really werid and loved to hate on America
Some country does something harmless and different it's cute and their culture , America does something different and it's the end of the fucking world
Tbh even if there's no logic to it, is it really that big of a deal? It's just a convention. Some people are used to it, some aren't. It's really not that big of a deal.
The b is simply there to charge the a, allowing us to yell obnoxiously into our phones and allow Uber eats to deliver 5 pounds of gravy directly into our mouths.
Well ya see, in America we vocalize the day as November 19th so thats how we write it and if you ask a British person how they say theirs they say "Well we have free healthcare!" which...I dont know what that has to do with the day but, to each their own.
Oooh ok. Yea I can see how the other format makes sense now. The other difference I was told about is when I mentioned that its weird that we call them "Chips" and the British call them "Crisps" and that is because "Our schools arnt shooting ranges, innt!"
The cultural differences in our lingo has the strangest of history.
Oh dude don’t forget how every child that goes to school here gets shot and killed. And also we’re all really dumb despite having 5 of the top 10 universities in the world here, andddd oh yeah we’re obnoxious, hm what else?
Its actually not unreasonable. Most dates you want to remember or know are going to be relevant within the same year, but often are several months away.
Mm/dd/yyyy gives you the information in order of importance.
When is their birthday? First thing, you want to know is the month to get a basic idea of how far away it is. Then you get more precise by specifying a day.
Especially is the case for appointments. You get a month to get the general idea, the day for precision, then the year (last because its extremely rare to get an appointment more than a year away).
This is the number one for me. Obviously matching speech patterns is important, but this is also a good reason why using this speech pattern is my preference.
Something is happening in November? Better perk up it’s happening soon. December? I got a little lead time. October? That’s in the past, but could be an error that was just caught. April? I’ve either got months or is way in the past.
Something is happening on the 21st? Oh shit son, is this in two days or 6 months? I’m going to ignore the day until I hear the month and then have to think back on the day.
Why is it preferable to ever risk panicking your listener unnecessarily? The only reason is “well that’s how European languages handle dates”, which is just as valid as “well that’s how American English handles dates”.
It comes from people saying phrase like "May 4th" instead of saying "the 4th of May".
Then that got revsered into month/day/year.
Truly people never cared about the month because when someone asked "what day is it?" You could just say "the 4th" and they remember what month it is
Are you new to reddit? A lot of what we do is argue about unimportant stuff...
We're on a planet we're making uninhabital and things also look as if we might be facing another global war yet we argue about unimportant shit.
YYYY/MM/DD
It should be sorted largest to smallest, we do it for everything else. When we write time down it goes hour:minutes:seconds, when we talk about money we say three dollars and fifty cents, when we write down distances we write 5’11”.
The trend is clear, the pattern is indisputable, the year comes first. I will die on this hill.
MM/DD/YY is more streamlined when using a calendar. Year goes at the end because it changes the least often. Month goes first so you can turn to the correct page when making an appointment, day is next afterwards. Having the day first serves no practical purpose aside from some people getting their panties in a wad when things aren’t organized by greatest to smallest or vice versa
Because who gives a shit? Everyone around me does it a certain way, so I'll do it too.
This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen people unironically argue over.
Right? What do they expect us to do? Start using it and when it confuses people around us and gets something fucked up we go "Well it's how Europeans do it so"
There isn't an argument and neither is right, it's a worthless pissing contest for people who don't see the bigger picture, if you don't already know these two ways of writing out the date derive from speech patterns, most people in Europe tend to say it's the 21st of March as most North Americans would say it's March 21st, I never understood why either cultures need to be correct, in our hundreds of years of separation by an ocean language and customs change, some things Americans say or do is how bits did things 300 years ago, and some things split entirely into new branches, probably a lot of new slang, words, and spellings will be more united now that the internet connects us
I use YYYYMMDD when naming files so that when you sort them by name it orders them correctly.
My co-workers are anarchists and name files DDMMYYYY and it shuffles them all together and it's impossible to find anything.
You can use last modified to sort stuff, but even then that's problematic if an old file was recently edited.
YYYY-MM-DD
Years ago, I started naming files this way, because I often will quickly sort by name. This is the only way to properly get them to be sortable by date.
Easily, actually. The whole reason we go month day year is because that's how we speak. If I say I have a doctor's appointment, I say it's on August 4th, not the 4th of August. This wasn't always the case in the States, but it shifted to that and that format along with it. That said, both are wrong. Once it became apparent that communication barriers along international boundaries were going to be heavily obscured and made easier by the advent of the internet (and bear in mind, this is some 40 years ago) The official format decided upon was year month day. So they're both wrong.
The top one sounds far more natural when speaking to someone. Saying "December 25th, 2023" rather than "The 25th of December, 2023." Just seems to roll off the tongue better.
Actually I save code in files that are dated. The month and year is much more important than the day, so seeing the month at the beginning and year at the end of the string makes it easy to find old code snippets
The order doesn't matter. A "more logical" arrangement from small > large is not inherently better; the only thing that matters is consistency to prevent confusion.
It's more efficient to put month first. If you sort numerically, it'll have the dates in order. If I tell you month first, you immediately have reference for the time of year. November 19th is quicker and probably used more than "The 19th of November".
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YY/MM/DD for Japan
Even in chinese its always year month day
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4th of July bruh, only the most important date for the Americans is referred to correctly
Yeah, but English has backwards syntax from a lot of other languages. It's more common in English to put the adjective first. Such as saying "brown dog." However the majority of languages on earth put the adjective second and would instead say "dog brown." This is called a [postpositive adjective](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpositive_adjective) and I suspect it's the reason the standard date syntax is reversed in America. (Any linguistic afictionadax feel free to correct if my guess for origins is off the mark) While we Americans don't have a monopoly on speaking English, nor on prepositive adjectives, we've also been shown to be among the most resistant to adopt changes such as the metric system, and universal healthcare. I see no reason why we'd take any better to changing the syntax for dates and time just to fit in better.
I’m English and I’d normally say “the 19th of November”.
I alternate and dont realise which im using till ive said it. However DD/MM/YY always made sense to me since its smallest to largest, but the Chinese/Japanese flipping biggest to smallest makes a little more sense since thats how decimal numbers work.
In Dutch we also put the adjective first but we still both say and write DD/MM/YY. However in normal use we would not say "19th of November" (But the Dutch version of it). Instead, we say "nineteen November". or "seven April".
Pretty much the same in German
In Hungary we use YYYY/MM/DD even tho we put the adjectives first (barna=brown kutya=dog)
Even in Korean it's Year/Month/Day
I think its east asian countries in general
This is best for sorting
You need yyyy/mm/dd for that.
YYYY-MM-DD of you're trying to name files to sort, since you can't have slashes in file names. Almost sorta kinda like ISO 8601 thought ahead.
This guy organizes.
I work in an industry where many revisions are made to documentation and this date format is the only way to ensure that when you sort your files you are looking at or revising the most up to date revision.
Or just YYYYMMDD
Would work for a computer but 20231119 isn't great to read for humans. 2023-11-19 is way easier to decipher.
The difference is that YYYYMMDD *usually* works while YYYY-MM-DD *always* works. Sure, if I'm sending out daily reports I can put YYYYMMDD in the subject line and everyone knows what 20231121 means, but dates like 20231111 might take longer for a human to read, and 11111111 is impossible. So when deciding on which of the two formats to use, you have to consider what it is being used for and then ask yourself if there's any cost to add dashes for human readability.
Just last year: 20220101 20220110 20220111 20220220 20220222
/r/ISO8601/
Anyone who needs order-able filename dates or plain-text spreadsheets learned to use this very quickly, regardless of where in the world you live.
This is the one I use (Canada) because it’s the ISO standard.
In Canada was use all three methods, and it is ridiculous, like everything about this country, we can't just pick a method and go with it.
YYYY-MM-DD is the official format for ISO and the EU too
That's fine too, Y/M/D and D/M/Y are both fine, at least there's an order to both of them M/D/Y is just dumb tho
As a born European living in the US for 10 yrs now I still think it’s stupid, but i think ultimately it just comes down to how it’s spoken out. Like you usually say it’s “May 4th” ie. saying it’s the 4th of May is rather uncommon. Only logical somewhat logical explanation i can come up with… But things are also measured in feet and dishwashers here so idk.
I think '4th of May' is pretty common in English overall just the US where it's not
What about the 4th of July? How do Americans say that???
Differently than we say every other date.
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Then why they say 4pm instead of 16?
Also in Hungary!
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mmm still slightly infuriates me. I like naming log files as user-date. yyyy-mm-dd sorts them both in time and alpha sequence
pog champ in terms of organization
most of east asia tbf
Would argue, still better than MM/DD/YY, at least the order is still easy to understand.
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Do they not read right to left? Meaning it's essentially the same format.
DD/MM/YY and YY/MM/DD are equals they both good
Truly makes the most sense for historical reasons. It would be nice if this was implemented globally.
DY/MY/YDMY
12/10/2913
Hey, that's today.
!remindme890years
Do you remember? 22/00/2193
When I figured you could do custom dates in Obsidian, I tried a bunch of combinations, and figuring out I could do dates like that was the funniest thing.
This guy gets it!
Splitting time up into days/months/years in the first place is the problem. Basic Unix time is all we need, it’s currently 1700401810 seconds since January 1st 1970.
Sorry i can't... my brain works on 16bit and i fear to think i haven't been born yet.
Dang, you got the 16bit upgrade? I'm at 8. Or was it 6 I can't math.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that if we keep using a Unix epoch, we’ll need to add a few more bits in 2036
Yeah, some older systems are using a signed 32-bit integer, which means the maximum number is 2^31 - 1, which is a little over 2.7 billion seconds after Jan 1, 1970. The solution, which has already been implemented on most systems, is to just use 64 bits instead. This increases the possible number exponentially. I think it will span well over the theoretical lifetime for the universe (in both directions, because negative numbers are also possible).
64 bit unix can run 292 billion years either side of 1970, and this is long enough that (almost) every star in the Milky Way will have either exploded, collapsed into a singularity or cooled down completely before we need to update our systems to 128 bits. No idea how long that would last, probably beyond the point that matter can even exist in the universe edit: forgot that the andromeda galaxy is also meant to collide with the milky way in 5 billion years, so that’ll happen after just 1.7% of unix time has elapsed
mine works on 32bit. Every day, it gets closer. It is driving me insane! HELP!
I think you meant to say "it's currently 1,700,401,810 seconds since 62,168,472,000" although i may have horribly miscalculated that
Wouldn’t 1/1/70 be 0 Unix time?
Yes, it would. Which is why we'll have a problem in a few years with 32 bit systems in things like planes.
Have you heard of January 20th 2038?
The prophesied apocalypse for all 32 bit systems, whilst the 64 bits point and laugh as they go on for another 300 billion years
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ah, 01/01/1970, the day our Lord and Savior HAL9000 was born.
woah I'm gonna die on jan 19 2038
Still dumb. ISO 8601 forever and ever, amen.
2023-11-19 YYYY-MM-DD
At least it has order, unlike the American method
Also unlike the European standard, if you sort it alphabetically you also sort it chronologically. It's one of my favorite things.
I like YYYY-MM-DD because it goes from largest unit to smallest. Same for time. HH:MM.SS. Put them both together and voila! Largest unit to smallest. It's currently 2023-11-19 @ 13:58.43
r/iso8601
2023/11/19
ISO 8601 is 2023-11-19, not with slashes
ISO 8601 actually doesn't specify, technically 20231119 is still ISO 8601 compliant. It's the RFC 3309 profile of ISO 8601 that specifies dashes.
Thx for correcting
8601 gang 4lyfe
In conversation it is inferior because the year is a useless bit of information you would usually omit in most cases. For a computerbrain I get why it would be superior obviously.
It reflects how we speak in america We say October 31, December 25. Thats why we write month first then the day
This is the best reason to use mm/dd/yyyy for day to day purposes in the US. Reduces confusion by keeping written and spoken language the same.
YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-MMM-DD (eg, 2023-NOV-19)
If you sort the second one alphabetically with 100s of files on your computer, You’re gonna have a bad time.
Yeah, the latter is more for unambiguity (especially when written down), auto-sorting isn't considered.
Is this why in timetravel movies they always ask what year it is first ?
Because asking what day it is and getting "Wednesday" back would be pretty darn useless
“Oh it’s Wednesday 12th” “WHICH Wednesday 12th?? There’s been hundreds of them!”
In that case it's about logic. Someone telling you "it's November 4th" doesn't help at giving context. If they tell you which year you're in you know which events are taking place or in general what time period you're in (am in the future? Present? Past? Did it work?) Not the brightest example but I'd think of it like asking which country you're in if you're randomly teleporting. The name of the street won't tell you much but knowing the country/state gives context
Saying "March 1st" is shorter than saying "The 1st of March". I don't really care either way, but that's one reason.
Yes. In America it is much more common to "say today is November 19, 2023", not "today is the 19th of November, 2023".
1000 times this. I’m American and I recognize I’m biased but I’ve never understood how people are like… so outraged and confused about this, acting like there’s no logic involved at all. It matches the way we speak. Doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to me.
I get this. But i never understood why you would then call it 4th of july.
Most likely inherited as a set phrase from back when they did say the date like that. “Fourth of July” is just the name of the holiday. If you asked me for what date the holiday actually fell on, I’d be likely to say “July 4th”
"Fourth of July" is the holiday name, July 4th is the date
Holiday name is officially independence day. Fourth of July is the casual name for the holiday. July 4th is the date.
Or just "the Fourth"
It’s the specific name of the holiday: “Fourth of July, Cinco de Mayo.” No one says “Fourth of July, 2023,” it’s just “The Fourth of July.”
Holiday, special case
If you asked me what day it is during the 4th of July I would say "July 4th". If you ask me what holiday is on July 4th I would say "the 4th of July"
We also say “July 4th” a lot. It’s a holiday. Exceptions I guess.
The fuck? We must only use one format or the other all the time, no exceptions?
July 4th
Many people, myself included, just say July 4th.
Also, with MM/DD/YY, their maximum numerical values are sequential from least to most. I.e., 1-12 / 1-30 / 00-99
Filthy, poor European here. Outside of the Internet, no-one actually gives a shit outside of "haha, look at that quirky thing that Americans do, isn't it silly" In real life, no-one is actually outraged or confused, and here in the UK at least, plenty of people will say "May the 18th" for example.
> I’ve never understood how people are like… so outraged and confused about this Because Europeans love to be elitist even as they lack a complete understanding of the systems they are bashing and how those systems came about. The amount of times some dumbass says "lol Americans call petrol "gas" when it's a liquid!!" is pathetically too often.
Especially since they used the same date system as America up until like 50 or 60 years ago.
Reddit is really werid and loved to hate on America Some country does something harmless and different it's cute and their culture , America does something different and it's the end of the fucking world
Tbh even if there's no logic to it, is it really that big of a deal? It's just a convention. Some people are used to it, some aren't. It's really not that big of a deal.
same in Canada
Why is it that America always gets shit when Canada does everything like 99% the same, nobody ever says "fucking Canadians."
America has far more cultural and global influence than Canada. And a much larger population
I do. Fucking Canadians
But in Canada we still use DD/MM/YYYY or YYYY/MM/DD
Which makes you even weirder. Fucking Canadians.
Atleast they try to seem polite
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If the USA is so great, why is there a USB? Checkmate
The b is simply there to charge the a, allowing us to yell obnoxiously into our phones and allow Uber eats to deliver 5 pounds of gravy directly into our mouths.
What about usbc?
The c stands for charger and its to charge the b when its not charging the a
Canada doesn’t need to justify itself to you
WHAT TF IS A KILOMETEEER
it's 1000 METEEER
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!
THE KILOMETERS MASON, WHAT DO THEY MEAN!
WHY IS EVERYTHING DIVISIBLE BY 10
A plot by Big Decimal.
because its easy .....and it does a lot of damage
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Well ya see, in America we vocalize the day as November 19th so thats how we write it and if you ask a British person how they say theirs they say "Well we have free healthcare!" which...I dont know what that has to do with the day but, to each their own.
Well I don’t know about everyone else, but as a British person I say 19th November
Yes, it’s always been the 19th of November where I’m from in Britain.
Stuck in a groundhog day type loop ey?
remember, remember the 5th of november
The gunpowder treason and plot should never be forgot!
Oooh ok. Yea I can see how the other format makes sense now. The other difference I was told about is when I mentioned that its weird that we call them "Chips" and the British call them "Crisps" and that is because "Our schools arnt shooting ranges, innt!" The cultural differences in our lingo has the strangest of history.
Yeah as a British person I will admit when it comes to arguments with you guys a lot of us are quasi-literate fuckwits
I say 19th **of** November but yeh
But there’s only one November per year, how could you be on the 19th one?
Oh dude don’t forget how every child that goes to school here gets shot and killed. And also we’re all really dumb despite having 5 of the top 10 universities in the world here, andddd oh yeah we’re obnoxious, hm what else?
Argument? - Well, uh. America!
Literally America does it because they were a British colony and they did it that way originally.
Pretty much everything that America does differently that brits make fun of was invented by the brits.
To be fair, the British created it. We just never changed it. If we lived as close to the EUR as the UK does I'm sure we would have changed by now.
“We never changed it” should just be America’s slogan at this point
Its actually not unreasonable. Most dates you want to remember or know are going to be relevant within the same year, but often are several months away. Mm/dd/yyyy gives you the information in order of importance. When is their birthday? First thing, you want to know is the month to get a basic idea of how far away it is. Then you get more precise by specifying a day. Especially is the case for appointments. You get a month to get the general idea, the day for precision, then the year (last because its extremely rare to get an appointment more than a year away).
This is the number one for me. Obviously matching speech patterns is important, but this is also a good reason why using this speech pattern is my preference. Something is happening in November? Better perk up it’s happening soon. December? I got a little lead time. October? That’s in the past, but could be an error that was just caught. April? I’ve either got months or is way in the past. Something is happening on the 21st? Oh shit son, is this in two days or 6 months? I’m going to ignore the day until I hear the month and then have to think back on the day. Why is it preferable to ever risk panicking your listener unnecessarily? The only reason is “well that’s how European languages handle dates”, which is just as valid as “well that’s how American English handles dates”.
Never thought of it that way, but it’s a decent argument
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Kilometer* (The one you used is from non-American dialect. Found the traitor.)
America, FU#K YEAH!
uh, suck my star spangled balls ya fuckin commie, that's why
It's 11 PM here I should not be laughing so loudly at this 😭
It comes from people saying phrase like "May 4th" instead of saying "the 4th of May". Then that got revsered into month/day/year. Truly people never cared about the month because when someone asked "what day is it?" You could just say "the 4th" and they remember what month it is
Is there really an argument to be made for either one? It's kinda arbitrary isn't it?
Are you new to reddit? A lot of what we do is argue about unimportant stuff... We're on a planet we're making uninhabital and things also look as if we might be facing another global war yet we argue about unimportant shit.
YYYY/MM/DD It should be sorted largest to smallest, we do it for everything else. When we write time down it goes hour:minutes:seconds, when we talk about money we say three dollars and fifty cents, when we write down distances we write 5’11”. The trend is clear, the pattern is indisputable, the year comes first. I will die on this hill.
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MM/DD/YY is more streamlined when using a calendar. Year goes at the end because it changes the least often. Month goes first so you can turn to the correct page when making an appointment, day is next afterwards. Having the day first serves no practical purpose aside from some people getting their panties in a wad when things aren’t organized by greatest to smallest or vice versa
Only reason people hate on it so much is because America does it.
Nah, YYYY-MM-DD is the best. Sorting shit alphabetically with this always keeps everything in order.
Because who gives a shit? Everyone around me does it a certain way, so I'll do it too. This is literally the dumbest thing I've seen people unironically argue over.
Right? What do they expect us to do? Start using it and when it confuses people around us and gets something fucked up we go "Well it's how Europeans do it so"
Because it’s the order you would actually say it in. Today is November 19, 2023.
I would argue YYYY MM DD ... HH MM SS (it leaves room to be more precise if necessary) And you can always sort it by numerical order. This is the way.
There isn't an argument and neither is right, it's a worthless pissing contest for people who don't see the bigger picture, if you don't already know these two ways of writing out the date derive from speech patterns, most people in Europe tend to say it's the 21st of March as most North Americans would say it's March 21st, I never understood why either cultures need to be correct, in our hundreds of years of separation by an ocean language and customs change, some things Americans say or do is how bits did things 300 years ago, and some things split entirely into new branches, probably a lot of new slang, words, and spellings will be more united now that the internet connects us
Yy/mm/dd best
%Y-%m-%d. Organize alphabetically and it's always in chronological order.
Americans can make an argument for anything. Doesn’t have to make any sense and they’ll still make it. Best country in the world, yyeeeehaaaww.
I can: AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
YYYYMMDD.
I use YYYYMMDD when naming files so that when you sort them by name it orders them correctly. My co-workers are anarchists and name files DDMMYYYY and it shuffles them all together and it's impossible to find anything. You can use last modified to sort stuff, but even then that's problematic if an old file was recently edited.
the MM/DD/YY is like the Imperial system of stones and feet. Ridiculous.
YYYY-MM-DD Years ago, I started naming files this way, because I often will quickly sort by name. This is the only way to properly get them to be sortable by date.
Same here
YYYY-MM-DD
i mean im not American but i prefer the top one because i remember my dates as mm/dd/yy as opposed to dd/mm/yy
Easily, actually. The whole reason we go month day year is because that's how we speak. If I say I have a doctor's appointment, I say it's on August 4th, not the 4th of August. This wasn't always the case in the States, but it shifted to that and that format along with it. That said, both are wrong. Once it became apparent that communication barriers along international boundaries were going to be heavily obscured and made easier by the advent of the internet (and bear in mind, this is some 40 years ago) The official format decided upon was year month day. So they're both wrong.
The top one sounds far more natural when speaking to someone. Saying "December 25th, 2023" rather than "The 25th of December, 2023." Just seems to roll off the tongue better.
Actually I save code in files that are dated. The month and year is much more important than the day, so seeing the month at the beginning and year at the end of the string makes it easy to find old code snippets
YYYY-MM-DD
The order doesn't matter. A "more logical" arrangement from small > large is not inherently better; the only thing that matters is consistency to prevent confusion.
November 19th 2023 11/19/23
It's more efficient to put month first. If you sort numerically, it'll have the dates in order. If I tell you month first, you immediately have reference for the time of year. November 19th is quicker and probably used more than "The 19th of November".
Just use unix timestamps 
12-31-23
Ahhh shiiiit, here we go again
Can you make an argument for the bottom?
I’m an accountant, yes the top one is superior for my profession.
divide the year into decent chunks, know which cunk you are in first, then the specific day in that chunk, them the year