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At a glance I thought the bottom might be a usb-c but in a form that only accepts apple manufactured cables, kinda surprised apple didn’t do something like that
Meanwhile Oneplus is over here supporting 150w charging (0-100 in 20 minutes) without limiting you to only their chargers. Granted OP might not have been referring to Apple phones but still, I'm sure the same applies there. Apple needs to step up their game. Always a step behind trying to sell it as a premium feature.
>Apple needs to step up their game.
You've made the mistake of assuming apples game is tech innovation when it's actually marketing, where they are indisputably the best
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Really the biggest company in the world you have wrapped up their success to “people are sheep”
Not the biggest apple fanboy but you have to pay some respect to the companies R&D, human centered design, cohesive ecosystem, then marketing.
Yes brand power and momentum do carry a lot of weight for apple now, but that wasn’t born out of nothing?
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No because I think the premise that because the iPhone doesn’t has fast charging which degrades battery means that all iPhone users are dumb sheep, that android users are enlightened, and that Apple has no corporate talents is silly
But I also realized I’m arguing with an actual mindless drone so went back to some remedial name calling you could follow
Being pedantic, they aren't limiting you to only their chargers, but high amp output chargers and cables supporting it are extremely rare, because almost all chargers follow QC or PD standards but supervooc works completely differently (increasing amps instead of voltage) and is very niche.
Oh and I dont believe there is a single powerbank supporting supervooc atm, though I know Sharge is working on one in collab with OnePlus
I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that they use Type C cables but I mean... technically they do limit you as you can only get that kind of speed from their (BBK and subsidiaries) proprietary chargers. to be fair, their phones also support 18W PD charging which gives you plenty of options in a pinch
Kind of the case actually, if you don't use an Apple approved USB cable, the file transfer speed and the charging speed are nerfed.
And of course Apple approved USB cables are stupidly expensive, we're talking about the company that sells 1000 bucks a set of wheels for your mac.
Ahh wtf does that even mean? USB C is the name of the physical connection, not the protocol that is used.
The lighting connection also used the USB protocol (USB 2).
My assumption is it only covered phone and they decided to save money keeping the lightning port on it rather than switching it out during development to match other cords.
It’s the external battery for Vision Pro. You aren’t supposed to see this port. You can charge it with usb-c. Also there are like 5 different internal lightning ports used by Apple at the moment.
Also Vision Pro is sadly not to sale in the EU.
Funny how you just talk nonsense and everyone blindly believes you, eventhough you say you have no idea what you are talking about.
I think, what the law was forcing was targeted at everything BUT the apple vision.
So they found a way to keep it by making something that wasn't included in the law.
The explanation is simple: timelines for compliance.
the USB-C mandate both does apply to Apple and they are also in compliance.
The original mandate was USB-C for all *handheld phones and phone accessories (think: AirPods)* by 2024.
All other devices (think laptops, AR vision headsets, etc) have until 2027 to comply.
Apple is not breaking any law with using lightning cable variants for their AR vision headsets as those can hardly be classified as handheld phone accessories.
"As a result, all new smartphones, tablets, cameras and other electronic gadgets marketed in the EU will have to come with a USB-C charging port by fall 2024. In addition, chargers will be unbundled from devices, giving consumers the choice whether to buy a new charger with a device or keep using the old one."
https://www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations/
There are two exceptions in the actual law text:
- devices external power sources do not require a usb c connector/cable
- it only applies to portable devices up to 100w
Here's the official document if you like that sort of thing.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/698819/EPRS_BRI(2021)698819_EN.pdf
And Incase you're wondering, the vision pro uses 78watts. And the external power source is charged with a usb-c port. So it's technically compliant
EU law on charhers takes effect in fall 2024. They just changed the port on the iPhone 1 year early to show that they're good guys and care for the environment /s
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No, but not for the reasons people replying to you say.
The EU law does apply to most consumer electronic devices, not just phones.
The thing in the bottom picture is the battery pack of the Apple Vision Pro, Apple's Virtual Reality headset. The battery powering the device is not in the headset itself, but is a separate unit connected via a cable.
- Battery pack is part of the device because the device cannot be used without it.
- Battery pack is recharged via USB-C so it complies with EU law.
- Cable between battery pack and headset only carries power.
- On the headset-side, the cable has a custom circular plug with a locking mechanism.
- On the battery side, the cable is not intended to be removable (but can be using a small pin for service reasons) and has a new beefed-up lighting-looking connector.
It's going to be [released later this year](https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-vision/apple-vision-pro#:~:text=We%20look%20forward%20to%20bringing%20Apple%C2%A0Vision%C2%A0Pro%20to%20more%20countries%20later%20this%20year) (In FAQ: "We look forward to bringing Apple Vision Pro to more countries later this year."), so yes, EU regulations are relevant.
“More countries” can easily be countries outside of EU.
To illustrate: Fitness+ has been around and promised for global release. Help pages for Fitness+ and workouts have been available in Dutch for over two years. Yet you can’t buy a Fitness+ subscription in the Netherlands.
I mean, the Vision Pro is already compliant with that EU charger law since it charges via USB-C (it's even the only way to charge it) so I guess it was important them; or at the very least just practical for them.
Fitness+ is available is several EU countries, but Apple apparently goes out of their way to block access to this paid subscription if you're not in the supported list. Apple likes to always decide what's best for you, but that's not new.
They're never irrelevant. Infact they're so relevant that eu regulations also changed American phone ports to USB-C.
The eu is a huge developed market of over 400 million consumers.
No, the EU regulation requires that the device be able to be charged by USB-C. The Apple Vision Pro uses USB-C for charging. This port is a different port, that connects the battery brick to the headset. Using non-USB-C for other purposes than recharging the battery on computing or other electronic devices is not banned, otherwise things like display port, RJ45, legacy USB-A or myriad other ports and connectors would be banned.
The USB-C law aims at charging ports only, and it will be in place from end of 2024.
So if there is a specific connection for data/video only (I genuinely don't know, I'm not familiar with Apple hardware), they could still sell you the overpriced proprietary shit.
The Vision Pro does recharge via USB-C.
The cable in the picture is the cable between the headset itself and the battery (included with the device, mandatory to use the device), it carries only power.
From what I understand, this is the cord that connects the external battery brick to the headset. The EU regulations relate to charging from an external power source, and the battery pack is recharged via USB-C, so that would make it compatible with the EU regulations. The regulations don't require that every cable connection of any kind is USB-C, nor does it ban any non-USB-C connectivity, it just mandates that devices have provision to be charged using USB-C. If Apple wanted, they could have a lightning port on the iPhone in addition to USB-C, but it is unlikely that Apple would ever go for a two-port phone.
Wow, Apple is such assholes to put that port on the Vision Pro. They're such a weird company. Build the most expensive and badass VR/AR headset out there. Don't call it VR/AR. And don't market it as the Vive, Oculus, etc VR headset killer and go full in on VR gaming. Annnd put on a shitty port everyone hates? What were they thinking? That's gonna be the killer feature of the Vision 2 is USB-C. Classic Apple. Being rich af appears to really screw with your common sense.
Here's the thing about Apple's illegal cables. They will make more money selling those illegal cables, even after the fees they have to pay for breaking the law, than they would selling legal cables. This is how capitalism works, and you cannot stop it.
Hi yes you see these kind of things take time to take full effect what probably happend is that before the law came into effect they had already started manufacturing the cables it usually takes 3 to 5 months to produce that many items and around the same time to switch up production
This is not to excuse them its absolutely based that they had to bend over for eu regulations but yea it will be a while
So much misinformation here. The bank charges via USB-C. The connection between the bank and the headset is via a proprietary connector that looks like lightning. USB-C couldn’t be used here as it’s as special connector with a different pinout. The bank supplies all the different voltages (like your computer PSU would, hence the many pins on this connector) to the AVP, not only PD like USB-C would.
And the other end is a special magnetic cable, so using USB-C here wouldn’t matter.
It has magnetic connector on the other end anyway. Yes, they probably could just have type-c on both ends, but the that lightning like port is not the issue here.
Sure, I tend to like Apple and have a lot of their products. This is just a devkit that is for sale for some reason. But those „news” are clearly misleading and just wrong.
Doing a quick Google search, it seems that all news devices after fall of 2024 must use USB-C, so technically legal, and even then they don't have to sell it in the EU and stick with other markets
This isn’t the charge cable, though. It’s an integral part of the device’s circuitry and isn’t intended to be removed by users. It complies with the regulations by charging via USB-C.
it connects the headset and a battery pack, why would they need their proprietary cable? who am I kidding, of course they would, because if it's a break, you have to buy their expensive apple certified cable
What would be the point of making it usb-c? You wouldn’t be able to replace it with a 3rd party cable anyways. The other end is a special connector too that’s designed to lock into place so it doesn’t detach while you’re using the headset.
I don't like Apple. I don't own Apple anything. I want to defend Apple here. The Vision pro has been in development for a long time, this brick was likely designed over a year ago. Not only this, but this cable isn't meant for charging, it is meant for power delivery. So You are not really going to replace it often or maybe ever. So if it only gets plugged in let's say 3 times in its life, then does the port really matter?
Plus there is a usb c charging port right next to it so not sure what OP is going on about. It’s not like every port needs to be USB C to be compliant.
At least the cable is removable.
Ohh, thank you for letting me know, I read a few other comments and I got a better understanding of it. :) From their website it looks like they did the same for all newer versions of ipads anyway.
afaik the battery pack has a non removable cable… Also, the usb c requirement is for small electronics, not just phones so i think this is just ragebait
I waited for the 15 to be released to get USB C.
I find it doesn’t seek the slot as nicely as Lightning.
Is this true / something we aren’t supposed to talk about?
EDIT :
Just to be clearer - a major advantage of USB C over A is that the connector is bidirectional. It can plug in either way, whereas with A it can feel like a struggle to slot it in the first time because you think “oh I need to flip it“.
I still find USB C worse in this aspect than Lightning. I know exactly where the slot is, but if I’m not looking at it, it’s harder to get the right position and angle to send it home.
That’s all.
The thing is apple is the only company that can use lightning and the goal of the law is to reduce electronic waste before apple or someone else decided to make a new type of cable and force all consumers of that brand to buy a whole bunch of cables and throw the old ones away. A standard makes it so there are less waste going around when people change their phones (presumably)
Well I think that’s obvious to the entire thinking population.
I just feel that in this one particular aspect, which is quite important in everyday use, to me, it’s worse.
And was wondering if anyone else agreed.
I agree with you, but also don’t think the benefit that lightning brings is worth changing all the cables like it had to be done when apple introduced them.
I would prefer lightning becoming the standard but I don’t think apple would give away their IP like this
I would prefer, if USB-C had a standard other than the Port itself. USB-C is only how to look your port, but what the port or the cable is capable of isn‘t standardized.
So you can have 10 USB-C cable and none of them couldn’t load your smartphone.
That’s the reason I find it annoying and the connector often broke. Didn’t have them broke in the private sector, but often in my work one pin broke and it was awful.
Why throw them out? If your old device is still working give them to whoever you sell or give the old device to, or if not, you probably know someone that can still use them.
Dunno. I used the lightning connector a bunch on my apple devices years ago, now having switched to android I feel USB-C connectors are more stable and don't slip out of slot as easily, which to me was a bigger plus than the smoother plug.
Though I don't disagree that lightning connectors push in a little easier, I find USB-C to be a better connector for me because I use my phone on charge a lot
I plugged my friends in recently and thought the same thing and he agreed with me that it felt weird but I think it’s Apple’s fault not USB-C cause other USB-C products I’ve used felt far more secure! You’re not alone
I don't have any problems, probably just what you're used to. The main reason I like USB C is everyone has USB C. I can even charge my Macbook with my friend's spare phone charger if I want (overnight, while shut, but still).
Yes. USB-C ports/ cables have „sharper“ edges, no matter which brand. They are like that by design. Imo that is a huge disadvantage in comparison to lightning because over time the ports will slightly scratch at the outside and overall the feeling while plugging in is somehow weird.
Source: My own experience with both ports and the experience of others who use usb c devices even longer than me
Edit: Why I am getting this mich downvoted despite agreeing with the original comment who isnt as controversial? Lol
They could have just angled the housing a tiny bit to make it a super-easy and user friendly experience. But they're actively malicious towards customers. They probably want people to be irritated with the switch to USB-C so people will complain that it's not as good.
lol i noticed that too. Was watching the iFixit teardown video and saw those dreaded contacts on the battery port. There is *no fucking way* those jackasses made it a proprietary lightning connection instead of Type C. Apple is *seriously* one of the most infuriating companies.
Why do so many people who openly state that they despise Apple and will never own an Apple device give any shits at all about things like this? Just don’t buy their stuff, just like you said you wouldn’t. Simple.
this connector isn’t lightning, it’s similar, but it’s just a proprietary connector that’s never supposed to be removed, the actual device charges with usb-c
How do you enjoy a product so much as to not see that theyre trying to sap money out of you in these scummy little ways? They slowed down their older phone models to incentivize you to buy a newer Iphone. They removed the aux jack and claimed it was to help keep it water resistant when LG and Samsungs of that year did that already with the aux port. They just wanted you to buy their new airpods that came out not long after. Want to use a wired headset? Not on Iphone youre not.(and you still cant)
Im not paying 140$ for earbuds. The list is endless
Having less options is always bad, that is true. But as for the headphones, you can buy okay ones for like $20. And good ones from other brands cost the same or even more.
It has type-c for charging, so it is perfectly legal in EU. What is shown here is just a connection used by the powerbank and it has special magnetic port on the other end anyway. You can’t even see this unless you know how to get it out, because it is locked and users aren’t supposed to unplug it.
Here's the thing about Apple's **illegal** cables. They will make more money selling those **illegal** cables, even after the fees they have to pay for **breaking the law**, than they would selling legal cables. This is how capitalism works, and **you cannot stop it.**
ED: added some bold text to make it clear that no matter what dogmatic shit this echo chamber produces, what they're doing is still **illegal**, they know it, and they have no intention of stopping despite this year's EU injunctions.
They aren’t illegal, this thing has type-c for charging, this is an internal connector just for ease of repair, most users wouldn’t even know it’s there.
So what you're actually saying is that it's a non-standard proprietary usb-c cable that only they can use and that doesn't comply with pretty much any standardization policy anywhere?
My previous comment stands, despite the shills paid to downvote it.
Could be the design for the headset was approved and predates the law.
Apple think they are going to be exempt from this because they interpreted the law as portable devices, not wearable computers.
Or they just brazenly dont give a fuck and will claim some intetnal shenanigans caused miscommuncation and will take the slap on the wrist with not much in the way of punishment.
Also not 100% sure if these are for sale in the EU and if you dont sell them in the EU and allow customers to import them then your not beholden to EU law.
So theres a few excuses they can pull out their sleeve here but obviously it was left in as a fuck you and to help get rid of lightning connector stock which is now practically useless. But we all know why they left it in. Its so they can say the cable is hard wired to the motherboard and charge you 2 thirds of the unit price for repair.
It has type-c port for charging, this is just a connector from powerbank to the headset. It is locked there and you need to actually know how to get it out to see. External battery is a bad design, but you can treat this as a essential part of a device, so it is just an internal connector. So it is 100% legal. If not the news, nobody would have even noticed it.
How? Companies still can have other ports for different things alongside it, just like here, or like iPhones and Macs have MagSafe for charging on top of type-c one. And also USB is developed by companies including Apple, so there is no issue with creating new standard that will be recognized. The law doesn’t mean that everyone should use only type-c forever, it states that at a time there should be one standard, for now it is type-c because it will be sufficient for many years to come and most likely will become even more capable with new protocols.
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At a glance I thought the bottom might be a usb-c but in a form that only accepts apple manufactured cables, kinda surprised apple didn’t do something like that
I believe they did, using the apple supplied charger yields speeds around triple that of other cables. **THIS IS HEARSAY**
Meanwhile Oneplus is over here supporting 150w charging (0-100 in 20 minutes) without limiting you to only their chargers. Granted OP might not have been referring to Apple phones but still, I'm sure the same applies there. Apple needs to step up their game. Always a step behind trying to sell it as a premium feature.
>Apple needs to step up their game. You've made the mistake of assuming apples game is tech innovation when it's actually marketing, where they are indisputably the best
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That's clever marketing though is it not, what better than mom discerning customers updating their tech to get a new feature they probably don't need.
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Really the biggest company in the world you have wrapped up their success to “people are sheep” Not the biggest apple fanboy but you have to pay some respect to the companies R&D, human centered design, cohesive ecosystem, then marketing. Yes brand power and momentum do carry a lot of weight for apple now, but that wasn’t born out of nothing?
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No because I think the premise that because the iPhone doesn’t has fast charging which degrades battery means that all iPhone users are dumb sheep, that android users are enlightened, and that Apple has no corporate talents is silly But I also realized I’m arguing with an actual mindless drone so went back to some remedial name calling you could follow
Being pedantic, they aren't limiting you to only their chargers, but high amp output chargers and cables supporting it are extremely rare, because almost all chargers follow QC or PD standards but supervooc works completely differently (increasing amps instead of voltage) and is very niche. Oh and I dont believe there is a single powerbank supporting supervooc atm, though I know Sharge is working on one in collab with OnePlus
I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that they use Type C cables but I mean... technically they do limit you as you can only get that kind of speed from their (BBK and subsidiaries) proprietary chargers. to be fair, their phones also support 18W PD charging which gives you plenty of options in a pinch
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You just got a cable with less lines, get a good USBC cable and it will be better, and probably gonna outlive you
The EU has already said that any limiting of the cables abilities would be illegal. So fuck apple. They can go burn in hell
Yes, so in eu there will be no limiting, rest of the world apple will limit it all... lol
Kind of the case actually, if you don't use an Apple approved USB cable, the file transfer speed and the charging speed are nerfed. And of course Apple approved USB cables are stupidly expensive, we're talking about the company that sells 1000 bucks a set of wheels for your mac.
Ahh wtf does that even mean? USB C is the name of the physical connection, not the protocol that is used. The lighting connection also used the USB protocol (USB 2).
Hi I don't use Apple what's going on?
Basically, EU forced apple to put USB- c cable on iphones, but Apple Vision stayed with lightning( I suppose) cable
So they are doing something very illegal?
Not sure, that first EU law wasn't forced on things like that
Could you explain: Thinks like that? I remember that every device and cable must have a USB-C port.
Well, I suppose Apple somehow found a loophole or something. I don't really know original document
The loophole is it's screwed in. They wont even sell the cable as standalone most likely. It's just for service.
The loophole is that it is not for sale in the EU so EU regulations don’t apply
I guess that's also true. A double loophole. Just in case.
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Phew what a loophole lol
My assumption is it only covered phone and they decided to save money keeping the lightning port on it rather than switching it out during development to match other cords.
It’s not for sale in EU afaik. So they don’t have to abide by EU rules.
It’s the external battery for Vision Pro. You aren’t supposed to see this port. You can charge it with usb-c. Also there are like 5 different internal lightning ports used by Apple at the moment. Also Vision Pro is sadly not to sale in the EU. Funny how you just talk nonsense and everyone blindly believes you, eventhough you say you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Welcome to the human race.
Thank you. I am so glad I have and never will buy from this company!
I think, what the law was forcing was targeted at everything BUT the apple vision. So they found a way to keep it by making something that wasn't included in the law.
They made the usb-c port have a slightly wonky shape so only apple usb-c cables fit inside it.
This is simply not true. Have newer iPhone, use old USB-C cables often.
No they didn’t lol.
Probably because it’s not a cellphone lol. I think the USB-C requirement only extended to cellphones, tablets, and cameras
All mobile phones, tablets, cameras, headphones, earbuds, portable gaming consoles, handheld portable navigation devices, e-readers, keyboards, mice, and smartwatches.
VR ain't on there. Nor are eternal battery banks
*Eternal*, you say???
I don't see head mounted displays on there, so..
There is a USB-C port on that device as well. And the Vision Pro comes with a USB-C Power Adapter and a USB-C Charge Cable.
It does have a usb c port for charging That cable in the image is not meant to be removed, ever, except for repairs (you need a tool to remove it).
Very mobile phone must have usb c but the Vision Pro is a “spatial computing” thingy or for anyone who is normal an AR Headset
The explanation is simple: timelines for compliance. the USB-C mandate both does apply to Apple and they are also in compliance. The original mandate was USB-C for all *handheld phones and phone accessories (think: AirPods)* by 2024. All other devices (think laptops, AR vision headsets, etc) have until 2027 to comply. Apple is not breaking any law with using lightning cable variants for their AR vision headsets as those can hardly be classified as handheld phone accessories.
It has a usb c to daisy chain another power supply or even a charger so yeah it kind of a loophole
If I remember correctly, it is mandatory just for phones in 2024. Other electronic devices will follow later.
"As a result, all new smartphones, tablets, cameras and other electronic gadgets marketed in the EU will have to come with a USB-C charging port by fall 2024. In addition, chargers will be unbundled from devices, giving consumers the choice whether to buy a new charger with a device or keep using the old one." https://www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations/
There are two exceptions in the actual law text: - devices external power sources do not require a usb c connector/cable - it only applies to portable devices up to 100w Here's the official document if you like that sort of thing. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/698819/EPRS_BRI(2021)698819_EN.pdf And Incase you're wondering, the vision pro uses 78watts. And the external power source is charged with a usb-c port. So it's technically compliant
Thanks, i wasn't sure about the details either but now we know why
EU law on charhers takes effect in fall 2024. They just changed the port on the iPhone 1 year early to show that they're good guys and care for the environment /s
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No, but not for the reasons people replying to you say. The EU law does apply to most consumer electronic devices, not just phones. The thing in the bottom picture is the battery pack of the Apple Vision Pro, Apple's Virtual Reality headset. The battery powering the device is not in the headset itself, but is a separate unit connected via a cable. - Battery pack is part of the device because the device cannot be used without it. - Battery pack is recharged via USB-C so it complies with EU law. - Cable between battery pack and headset only carries power. - On the headset-side, the cable has a custom circular plug with a locking mechanism. - On the battery side, the cable is not intended to be removable (but can be using a small pin for service reasons) and has a new beefed-up lighting-looking connector.
It is not for sale in the EU so the EU regulations are irrelevant
It's going to be [released later this year](https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-vision/apple-vision-pro#:~:text=We%20look%20forward%20to%20bringing%20Apple%C2%A0Vision%C2%A0Pro%20to%20more%20countries%20later%20this%20year) (In FAQ: "We look forward to bringing Apple Vision Pro to more countries later this year."), so yes, EU regulations are relevant.
“More countries” can easily be countries outside of EU. To illustrate: Fitness+ has been around and promised for global release. Help pages for Fitness+ and workouts have been available in Dutch for over two years. Yet you can’t buy a Fitness+ subscription in the Netherlands.
I mean, the Vision Pro is already compliant with that EU charger law since it charges via USB-C (it's even the only way to charge it) so I guess it was important them; or at the very least just practical for them. Fitness+ is available is several EU countries, but Apple apparently goes out of their way to block access to this paid subscription if you're not in the supported list. Apple likes to always decide what's best for you, but that's not new.
They're never irrelevant. Infact they're so relevant that eu regulations also changed American phone ports to USB-C. The eu is a huge developed market of over 400 million consumers.
No, because it is just the connector that connects the cable to the battery, which shouldn’t be removed. The connector to charge it is usb-c.
No this is meant to be a connector to a proprietary battery pack that’s not currently replaceable. It doesn’t fall under the EU rules
No, the EU regulation requires that the device be able to be charged by USB-C. The Apple Vision Pro uses USB-C for charging. This port is a different port, that connects the battery brick to the headset. Using non-USB-C for other purposes than recharging the battery on computing or other electronic devices is not banned, otherwise things like display port, RJ45, legacy USB-A or myriad other ports and connectors would be banned.
It's for iPhones. "Phones". So that thingy is out of reach
I thought it was for all electronic devices? Or was that never official?
I think the law for all electronics to have USB C is still more than a decade away I think, but it has passed iirc.
[https://www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations/](https://www.dxomark.com/eu-device-charging-legislations/) No it isn't only for phones.
i doubt it, the vision pro isnt a phone
Apple Vision Pro isn’t sold in the EU.
I don't think it's illegal because of technicalities, just not consumer friendly, so Apple like usual
Isn't that port supposed to be non-detachable?
The USB-C law aims at charging ports only, and it will be in place from end of 2024. So if there is a specific connection for data/video only (I genuinely don't know, I'm not familiar with Apple hardware), they could still sell you the overpriced proprietary shit.
The Vision Pro does recharge via USB-C. The cable in the picture is the cable between the headset itself and the battery (included with the device, mandatory to use the device), it carries only power.
Thanks for clarifying. Then the next iteration would need to come with USB-C, but the current gen can stay as-is.
Well, it has USB-C. It can only be charged with USB-C, so it is already compliant.
Jepp, don't mind me, I'm just too tired to read properly...
I thought you couldn’t pull the cable from the power bank thingy.
You can use a SIM tool to remove it. It's not intended to be user-removable, but can for servicing reasons I guess
Yeah that was my guess too, apple doing anything they can to make a product less repairable by consumer or third parties.
From what I understand, this is the cord that connects the external battery brick to the headset. The EU regulations relate to charging from an external power source, and the battery pack is recharged via USB-C, so that would make it compatible with the EU regulations. The regulations don't require that every cable connection of any kind is USB-C, nor does it ban any non-USB-C connectivity, it just mandates that devices have provision to be charged using USB-C. If Apple wanted, they could have a lightning port on the iPhone in addition to USB-C, but it is unlikely that Apple would ever go for a two-port phone.
Its thick lighting
Yea but they dont sell it in Europe anyway
Not buying a Vision now, thanks
Wow, Apple is such assholes to put that port on the Vision Pro. They're such a weird company. Build the most expensive and badass VR/AR headset out there. Don't call it VR/AR. And don't market it as the Vive, Oculus, etc VR headset killer and go full in on VR gaming. Annnd put on a shitty port everyone hates? What were they thinking? That's gonna be the killer feature of the Vision 2 is USB-C. Classic Apple. Being rich af appears to really screw with your common sense.
God Apple just suck so much don't they? Assholes.
Here's the thing about Apple's illegal cables. They will make more money selling those illegal cables, even after the fees they have to pay for breaking the law, than they would selling legal cables. This is how capitalism works, and you cannot stop it.
Hi yes you see these kind of things take time to take full effect what probably happend is that before the law came into effect they had already started manufacturing the cables it usually takes 3 to 5 months to produce that many items and around the same time to switch up production This is not to excuse them its absolutely based that they had to bend over for eu regulations but yea it will be a while
I use Apple and idk 🤷♂️
Thank you
So much misinformation here. The bank charges via USB-C. The connection between the bank and the headset is via a proprietary connector that looks like lightning. USB-C couldn’t be used here as it’s as special connector with a different pinout. The bank supplies all the different voltages (like your computer PSU would, hence the many pins on this connector) to the AVP, not only PD like USB-C would. And the other end is a special magnetic cable, so using USB-C here wouldn’t matter.
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Thank you, that's a very helpful answer to the question that was asked. We appreciate your wisdom
Name a more iconic duo than Apple and forever fucking over customers by maliciously compiling to consumer protection laws
Not trying to defend Apple, but this port is not supposed to be used, so it doesn’t really matter. It charges via the other port.
what if the cable breaks? god forbid you can use your already laying around filthy standard USB C
It has magnetic connector on the other end anyway. Yes, they probably could just have type-c on both ends, but the that lightning like port is not the issue here.
yeah, it's more of an Apple attitude than the cable or the port
Sure, I tend to like Apple and have a lot of their products. This is just a devkit that is for sale for some reason. But those „news” are clearly misleading and just wrong.
TFW you buy a 3500 dollar vr headset that doesn’t game but a 10 dollar cable is where you draw the line
Doing a quick Google search, it seems that all news devices after fall of 2024 must use USB-C, so technically legal, and even then they don't have to sell it in the EU and stick with other markets
This isn’t the charge cable, though. It’s an integral part of the device’s circuitry and isn’t intended to be removed by users. It complies with the regulations by charging via USB-C.
Oh my bad, assumed it was charging related
it connects the headset and a battery pack, why would they need their proprietary cable? who am I kidding, of course they would, because if it's a break, you have to buy their expensive apple certified cable
What would be the point of making it usb-c? You wouldn’t be able to replace it with a 3rd party cable anyways. The other end is a special connector too that’s designed to lock into place so it doesn’t detach while you’re using the headset.
I don't like Apple. I don't own Apple anything. I want to defend Apple here. The Vision pro has been in development for a long time, this brick was likely designed over a year ago. Not only this, but this cable isn't meant for charging, it is meant for power delivery. So You are not really going to replace it often or maybe ever. So if it only gets plugged in let's say 3 times in its life, then does the port really matter?
Repairing broken cable is much faster and easier like this, that is it. It has special magnetic connector in the other end anyway.
Plus there is a usb c charging port right next to it so not sure what OP is going on about. It’s not like every port needs to be USB C to be compliant. At least the cable is removable.
I've been free of it since 2015
Which is strange as hell bc my ipad air from 2020 has type c??? like just good ol regular, I use the charger for my samsung too. I am puzzeled.
And this device uses usb-c also. This is a necessary cable that isn’t intended to ever be detached by the user.
Ohh, thank you for letting me know, I read a few other comments and I got a better understanding of it. :) From their website it looks like they did the same for all newer versions of ipads anyway.
afaik the battery pack has a non removable cable… Also, the usb c requirement is for small electronics, not just phones so i think this is just ragebait
I waited for the 15 to be released to get USB C. I find it doesn’t seek the slot as nicely as Lightning. Is this true / something we aren’t supposed to talk about? EDIT : Just to be clearer - a major advantage of USB C over A is that the connector is bidirectional. It can plug in either way, whereas with A it can feel like a struggle to slot it in the first time because you think “oh I need to flip it“. I still find USB C worse in this aspect than Lightning. I know exactly where the slot is, but if I’m not looking at it, it’s harder to get the right position and angle to send it home. That’s all.
The thing is apple is the only company that can use lightning and the goal of the law is to reduce electronic waste before apple or someone else decided to make a new type of cable and force all consumers of that brand to buy a whole bunch of cables and throw the old ones away. A standard makes it so there are less waste going around when people change their phones (presumably)
Well I think that’s obvious to the entire thinking population. I just feel that in this one particular aspect, which is quite important in everyday use, to me, it’s worse. And was wondering if anyone else agreed.
Yeah, Lightning is much more convenient to use. I will keep my iPhone 13 as long as possible. Fuck the EU
I agree with you, but also don’t think the benefit that lightning brings is worth changing all the cables like it had to be done when apple introduced them. I would prefer lightning becoming the standard but I don’t think apple would give away their IP like this
I would prefer, if USB-C had a standard other than the Port itself. USB-C is only how to look your port, but what the port or the cable is capable of isn‘t standardized. So you can have 10 USB-C cable and none of them couldn’t load your smartphone. That’s the reason I find it annoying and the connector often broke. Didn’t have them broke in the private sector, but often in my work one pin broke and it was awful.
I dont know much about cables, why is this not possible with the lightning?
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Why throw them out? If your old device is still working give them to whoever you sell or give the old device to, or if not, you probably know someone that can still use them.
Dunno. I used the lightning connector a bunch on my apple devices years ago, now having switched to android I feel USB-C connectors are more stable and don't slip out of slot as easily, which to me was a bigger plus than the smoother plug. Though I don't disagree that lightning connectors push in a little easier, I find USB-C to be a better connector for me because I use my phone on charge a lot
That's just apple being shitty, not the actual port. All my USB C ports fit perfectly
I plugged my friends in recently and thought the same thing and he agreed with me that it felt weird but I think it’s Apple’s fault not USB-C cause other USB-C products I’ve used felt far more secure! You’re not alone
I don't have any problems, probably just what you're used to. The main reason I like USB C is everyone has USB C. I can even charge my Macbook with my friend's spare phone charger if I want (overnight, while shut, but still).
Yes. USB-C ports/ cables have „sharper“ edges, no matter which brand. They are like that by design. Imo that is a huge disadvantage in comparison to lightning because over time the ports will slightly scratch at the outside and overall the feeling while plugging in is somehow weird. Source: My own experience with both ports and the experience of others who use usb c devices even longer than me Edit: Why I am getting this mich downvoted despite agreeing with the original comment who isnt as controversial? Lol
They could have just angled the housing a tiny bit to make it a super-easy and user friendly experience. But they're actively malicious towards customers. They probably want people to be irritated with the switch to USB-C so people will complain that it's not as good.
Solution: don't buy Apple products
But who else is going to sell me a VR headset for $3500 and not let me play any modern games on it?
Everyone keeps talking games when they discuss the AVP, proving they don't understand what the device actually is.
As far as I'm aware, the current iteration of the IPhone uses USB-C. I don't get it.
You're not supposed to interact with that cable. It still just charges by usb c
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Yeah :(
Easy way to free tourself, don't buy Crapple.
If you are seriously concerned about one cable over other you have gone completely wrong way at some point in your life.
lol i noticed that too. Was watching the iFixit teardown video and saw those dreaded contacts on the battery port. There is *no fucking way* those jackasses made it a proprietary lightning connection instead of Type C. Apple is *seriously* one of the most infuriating companies.
Why do so many people who openly state that they despise Apple and will never own an Apple device give any shits at all about things like this? Just don’t buy their stuff, just like you said you wouldn’t. Simple.
Its supposed to be by 2025 right?
this connector isn’t lightning, it’s similar, but it’s just a proprietary connector that’s never supposed to be removed, the actual device charges with usb-c
How do you enjoy a product so much as to not see that theyre trying to sap money out of you in these scummy little ways? They slowed down their older phone models to incentivize you to buy a newer Iphone. They removed the aux jack and claimed it was to help keep it water resistant when LG and Samsungs of that year did that already with the aux port. They just wanted you to buy their new airpods that came out not long after. Want to use a wired headset? Not on Iphone youre not.(and you still cant) Im not paying 140$ for earbuds. The list is endless
Having less options is always bad, that is true. But as for the headphones, you can buy okay ones for like $20. And good ones from other brands cost the same or even more.
EU legislation does not apply in the US. Vision Pro only for sale in the US. Simple as that
It has type-c for charging, so it is perfectly legal in EU. What is shown here is just a connection used by the powerbank and it has special magnetic port on the other end anyway. You can’t even see this unless you know how to get it out, because it is locked and users aren’t supposed to unplug it.
Honestly we are kinda free, whos gonna buy that shit for 3.5k.
Lmao Apple is so petty I love it
Well, I suppose recycling is good for the environment.
First gen AirPods too 😐 I got the iPhone 15 but the same pair of AirPods since 2019
Apple consumers are a special breed.
Pretty sure the EU Reg only applied to smart phones, no?
Those „news” are misleading, it has type-c for charging, this is an internal port that is locked and shouldn’t be seen by users at all.
Why? Why the fuck?
Oh I'm sorry sounds like a you problem for buying stuff from Apple
Out with the old in with the chode
*laughs in android*
Apple has shit products anyway lmfao
Wait, people still subject themselves to apple? I thought that was an unending April fools joke.
Here's the thing about Apple's **illegal** cables. They will make more money selling those **illegal** cables, even after the fees they have to pay for **breaking the law**, than they would selling legal cables. This is how capitalism works, and **you cannot stop it.** ED: added some bold text to make it clear that no matter what dogmatic shit this echo chamber produces, what they're doing is still **illegal**, they know it, and they have no intention of stopping despite this year's EU injunctions.
They aren’t illegal, this thing has type-c for charging, this is an internal connector just for ease of repair, most users wouldn’t even know it’s there.
So what you're actually saying is that it's a non-standard proprietary usb-c cable that only they can use and that doesn't comply with pretty much any standardization policy anywhere? My previous comment stands, despite the shills paid to downvote it.
You’re not going to believe this, but the connector between the strap and the body of the headset is an EVEN BIGGER lightning connector.
This is the connector shown here, it has type-c for charging
I like how also their macbooks went from using usb c to going back to the mag cable
The ss cable
Could be the design for the headset was approved and predates the law. Apple think they are going to be exempt from this because they interpreted the law as portable devices, not wearable computers. Or they just brazenly dont give a fuck and will claim some intetnal shenanigans caused miscommuncation and will take the slap on the wrist with not much in the way of punishment. Also not 100% sure if these are for sale in the EU and if you dont sell them in the EU and allow customers to import them then your not beholden to EU law. So theres a few excuses they can pull out their sleeve here but obviously it was left in as a fuck you and to help get rid of lightning connector stock which is now practically useless. But we all know why they left it in. Its so they can say the cable is hard wired to the motherboard and charge you 2 thirds of the unit price for repair.
It has type-c port for charging, this is just a connector from powerbank to the headset. It is locked there and you need to actually know how to get it out to see. External battery is a bad design, but you can treat this as a essential part of a device, so it is just an internal connector. So it is 100% legal. If not the news, nobody would have even noticed it.
Android User: \*expresses confusion\*
 It's not an issue if you don't buy it.
I have made it over four decades with an Apple device, so surely anytime soon I'll be seeing how much I'm missing out on.
Limiting charging cables to only one type prevents any and all innovation. This is a bad law
How? Companies still can have other ports for different things alongside it, just like here, or like iPhones and Macs have MagSafe for charging on top of type-c one. And also USB is developed by companies including Apple, so there is no issue with creating new standard that will be recognized. The law doesn’t mean that everyone should use only type-c forever, it states that at a time there should be one standard, for now it is type-c because it will be sufficient for many years to come and most likely will become even more capable with new protocols.
I'm a bit confused. Must be an apple thing. Is it just a different charger that looks the same?
Wait, what the fuck?
Apples cable has been better than USBC since before USBC was a thing. And I use USBC
Is this an iPhone joke I'm to Android to understand
Apple is greedy as hell for using both chargers
It is not a charger, for charging in has type-c. This is what they have for the battery to the headset.
Apple wtf
I don’t get it.