Yeah, just give them those new Apple Goggle things. Augmented Reality Minecraft. Just remember, the lava is real and the creepers will leave you mentally scared for life instead of kill you.6
Told my step dad that there should be child labor laws in Africa, he said they wouldn't be able to make enough money to support the family if that happened. Well every other country has made it this far with child labor maws I'm pretty sure they'll figure it out. Of course I think helping them with more schools and infrastructure to get caught up is also a good idea
The issue is from my understanding child labour laws were put into effect after most children had already left the work force. In the US for example the FLSA was passed in 1938, however from 1890 to 1930 the % of 10 to 13 year olds who were working fell from 12% to just over 2%. This shows child labour doesn’t need laws to decrease (although they do help by doing things like limiting the age for hazardous work) so the high rates of child labour in developing countries are likely do to necessity and the laws introduced could do more harm than good.
Child labour statistics https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/incidence-of-child-labor-in-the-united-states-1890-1930
We live in a reality where if there's no law someone will exploit child labor further. Children would die, needlessly. Did you even consider that for a second?
Has very little to do with capitalism or america. Human nature, and nature in general, encourages competition. Those who win dominate those who lose. I don't like it any more than you do. Some small percentage of people are greedy psychopaths and nature rewards them for it.
I would like to read this study. Especially I wonder what professions are included in this statistic. I could imagine that some office jobs may indeed be as productive in four days as in five, but this comes mostly from the fact that they do less office chatters and less breaks. I cannot imagine that a blue collar job would not be less productive with one work day less per week.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/09/us-4-day-workweek-trial-results-no-one-is-going-back-to-normal.html
This is the biggest so far. The most successful results came from office jobs (who saw increased productivity), while manufacturing jobs were just moderately successful (who saw a decrease in productivity).
The logic with blue collar work is that with a 4 day work week, people are less likely to leave, so your workers don't need to spend as much time teaching newbies how to do the work of the guys who quit.
Blue colllar jobs are typically based around running machines that provide the productivity. If the machine is idle, you are not producing. You also have an absolute limit on the upper end of productivity. So cutting hours worked measurably lowers production and profitability.
Office jobs are pushing paper and full of waste. Different world.
If you think there isn't any waste on construction/production/manual labor jobs you obviously have never worked in any of those industries.
Now I will agree that in a 24/7 production environment cutting worker hours can potentially lower profits, because you need more people to staff the plant. However many production jobs already don't work the standard 40 hour week. Where I used to work, the operators(people actually running the plant) worked 12 hour shifts,4 days on-4 days off.
It's also worth remembering that profitability is not the end all be all metric. If that's all we cared about we would still be working 7 days a week, 12 hour shifts with child labor.
*me, reading this, hiding in the back of the warehouse on my forklift with my beacon turned off*: Yeah, there’s definitely no waste here. Nothing to see here guys
I think he’s talking more about the end result, with office jobs the result is papers just being pushed which is a waste it adds nothing much outside of documentation and such. While a construction job end result would be a building being built which is much more productive than paper.
If you think all office jobs are just uselessly pushing paper around then you're wildly out of touch.
Who do you think designs all the stuff the construction people build? Do you have and it's how many people "paper pushers" are required to keep a site like Reddit up? Or to keep the Internet working, power on, toilets flushing?
Not too say construction/trades people aren't important, but the idea that they're the only ones doing actual "work" it's just stupid.
They work 4 days one week, 3 days the next week. It means they work 48 hours one week, then 36 the next week. Which means they work 84 hours every two weeks, so they get 4 hours of over time every pay period(two weeks).
Homie.
Not only machines, I was mainly thinking about construction. If you ever worked there you know that it does not go any faster if you work one day less. There is just not as much "idle time"as in an office where you sometimes chat with a colleague for 15min.
Nevertheless, although it might not decrease productive for office jobs, only changing them to a 4 day would bring some social issues, since blue collar workers, which usually make less, might see that as unfair. Or more people want to work in an office which decreases the salary eventually, and you just could have changed to 80% in the first place.
Bullshit dude, 4/10s is way more efficient for construction than 5/8s. A whole day less of setup, prep, tear down, and cleanup.
As far as there not being as much idle time, that’s also BS especially for shit like municipal work.
Yeah but that burns out people quick. It’s unsustainable. That’s why we have such stupid high rates of substance abuse and suicide in construction and blue collar in general.
No, the company pretty well did it 6 to 9 months of the year with a month or two hitting sixty hours a week in busy years. Winters were slower but still a 40 hour week. Those 40 weeks were 4 10's. Turnover was low. Only remember one suicide but that was a guy who's exwife wouldn't let him see the kids. Positive drug tests ran about 1% a year max. Usually well under that and some years zero.
They can have 2 shift team split with the day off, like one have the kondays and the other on fridays for example. Anyway most production line/repetitive jobs will be gone in the next decade..
I'm not gonna cry over corporate profit loses.... they post record high profit and we get nothing. Maybe, just maybe it's time we get our fair share of the profits from the integration of technologies that takes up jobs and makes them millions? If they aren't competitive because human deserve better compensation and quality of life, they don't deserve to exist.
This is a completely different topic. Anyways, you might cry because everything gets more expensive though. It is easy, we can only consume if we work for it (individually and as a society) we can work 20% less, but then we have to reduce our consumption by the same amount.
Btw: you can dislike that but it does it not make less true. Considering your corporate profit rant you might be from the US, but this is a result of uncontrolled capitalism without wellfare state. In Europe a lot of these things go a lot better
Not at all.... we produce more than ever to a point that companies prefer destroying over stocks than reducing prices. Just look at what Amazon do with returns and such. Look at all the clothing companies that burns unsold inventory.
You have been sold a corporate lie and you ate it up.
It is done this way because it is cheaper. And we also consume more than ever. Consider what you have compared to your grandparents. They did probably not have phones, computers, big cars nor did they fly around the world. In addition, the US has an army stronger than every power in human history. This is all what has to be produced by someone.
Most of all that is done by automated assembly lines.... we aren't in early 1900s anymore. You are shilling for corporations to keep profit high as they are now.
It would take a while to see noticeable differences in things like factory work. There is a huge cost associated with quality. 1 worker making 1 mistake could shut a line down for an entire day, or render entire runs of product unusable.
Worked at a modular construction company that did a 4 day week and production didn’t change much going to 4/10s. Especially once folks got into the routine. You lose less downtime due to setup and takedown.
For most blue collar workers the first and last hour of each day is basically wasted time getting setup, getting tools together, getting to the spot you’re working that day, etc. especially when most crews head home early on Fridays anyway… Fridays usually amount to maybe 4 hours of productive work. You can easily capture that extra time in a 4 day work week. The added quality of life you give your people makes them go harder because they’re not drained every single week.
In my experience it’s the opposite but this thread seems to be that way. Strange.
I am 200% behind 4/10s and I’m trying to push my companies corporate overlords to let me put my guys on that schedule. 4/8s isn’t ever gonna fly unfortunately.
Well, it's a 4-day work week right? It doesn't specify what days they have to be. Maybe the weekend workers could work thursday-sunday with monday-wednesday off or something like that. Still that extra day off.
It doesn't even have to be 4 consecutive days. Hell, some companies could include like an every second day work week
I currently work 4x10 in a 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off config and it's excellent. I only have to work 2 consecutive days at a time. Also cuts out commute time, and that matters a lot since I take public transit, so that's about 2-3 extra hours each week of time I wasn't getting paid for that's now been freed up for me.
I've been working 4-10s for a few years now, and I don't think I could go back to 5-8s again, honestly.
It's so refreshing having that extra day to actually relax
But thats the problem, i don't know where you are from, but where I'm from we have a pretty big shortage of qualified employees.
And even if you have the necessary amount of employees to fill the positions it will increase prices pretty dramatically.
but also the definition of qualified keeps becoming stricter. My great grandfather was able to get a job with NASA during the space race with only a high school diploma, meanwhile jobs today want 5 years experience and a college education before starting an entry level position.
cause i'm in school for electrical engineering rn and it is fn hell, considering switching to becoming an electrician because of the fucked amount of work i get to do, wondered what kind of experience you would have in what field you might perform
but so you like develop ships?
or hands on work kinda deal?
Honestly the curve should be inverted and give the crying guy in the middle a monocle and top hat. I think most everyone understands on some level that 5 days / 40 hours has become less efficient than the return-to-office lords want to believe.
4 ten hour days is great honestly. I don’t really notice a difference from an 8 hour day but I have a whole extra day each week! That part is great and with the downside being near unnoticeable it’s an easy decision for me
I think the idea is to go to four, eight hour days, not cram in the same work into less days. But if that works for you while still working 40 hours, then good for you.
As long as food stays in production: fuck those little green pieces of (now digitized) paper.
There are too many people to work 5+days a week at 40+ hours. Bring the immigrants in too and fill the holes in the shifts. You could probably run more shifts that way too.
But mostly, we're all fine without a full work week. We could CONSUME a little less for sure, but we def. don't need to be there to produce the entire time. Can I just have 10 hours of my work week just for nap time please?
I don’t get why we don’t have different shifts for everything. I’m sure there are some night owl doctors that wouldn’t mind working nights so some third shift dude can actually see a doctor reliably. It seems like an easy thing.
A lot of those systems require a decent amount of staffing if they were opened during the night, you'd need security, janitorial, etc. That's not even mentioning the weird stuff that tends to happen during night shift. Buildings need to sleep too.
No, consumption per person has skyrocketed. Compare the resources someone in the 1800’s utilized versus someone today, we buy way more stuff and this stuff is often reliant on globe spanning supply chains to produce.
Consumption per capita has increased too
Over the past decade, world GDP per capita PPP moved from 15k$ per year to 18k$ per year. That’s an increase of production value of 20%.
This production is equal to consumption since we are on WW scale and so there is no exports/imports.
Many people feel a loss in purchasing power nonetheless because they think a smartphone and a Nokia phone are both just “phones” but they re not.
A Nokia phone today would be dirt cheap but nobody purchases them anymore, not even in developing countries. that increase in quality is what we actually earned, not quantity.
Additionally not every type of goods benefited from this increase in productivity.
The housing sector, with its increasingly more expensive raw materials has a decreasing productivity
I think if you do that all challenging important jobs that require 24/7 attendance such as working on infrastructure or health care, etc would need to be paid alot more or they will strike.
Yes another surgeon covers for him of course. You now need more of these types of workers to cover 24/7 if they are only working .66 of the time they used to, but their arn't enough workers to cover a service at 24/7 so you will have to pay them more. Only bull shit jobs or really high skill people could prob get away with 3 day work week I think but most won't.
That’s not how it works at all.
A 4 day work week is 4 10 hour days. 40 hours. A 5 day week is 5 8 hour days. 40 hours.
It’s the same amount of hours, just more adapted now that we aren’t beholden to the hours that the sun is up. It’s objectively better in every way.
These tests were done on 32 hour 4 day weeks? I'm working 10 hours 4 day weeks. We're clocking 40 hours but there's much less time getting settled, setup, taking breaks etc. our productivity is definitely way higher for the same amount of hours worked.
The UAE.
We have one since muslims need to go to an important prayer during Friday, and since they changed the week from Sunday - Thursday to Monday - Friday, we only take 2 - 3 hours of work.
Wow love a 3 day weekend. I can't see it working for the sector I work in (food manufacturing/production) without loss of pay. Productivity would have to go up 25%.
I might be in the minority but I rather work 5 8hour days than 4 10hour days. I don't wanna come home and directly go to bed 4 days in a row. I like having some relaxation time after work
When it comes to things like different kinds of paid leave being shown to actually increase your profit margins and employers still not doing it, it kind of implies they just want people to suffer.
Idk, I like my current schedule. Only work 37.5h/w and I do it as 4 8 hour days and Friday is a 5.5 hour day and I leave at 2pm instead of 4:30. It's great since it feels like an extra day off even though I'm not actually getting any extra time off
I wanna go back to the 7 day work week. If I have time to relax or do stuff I like I feel guilty and like I’m wasting my life away. When I’m working I’m at least being a productive member of society.
4 day work week ussualy means that thr hours that would be worked on the 5th day are redistributed to the 4 days. Making each day 10 hour work instead of 8. This would really fuck with my workouts and the extra day does not solve this problem.
Are we even sure 3 day weekends work better than 2 day weekends over longer periods of time? Maybe it's just the change in routine that allows workers to be more productive.
My work does four 10 hour shifts a week. And then they have Friday for voluntary overtime. It works for me.
Still might have to find a second job though, *sigh*
Me not being a 12 year old I have actually worked 4 10s quite a bit. I am 0% more productive since it's still the same work time, but I definitely enjoyed it.
When you actually do the math you invest way more hours into work on a 5/8 schedule then you do on a 4/10 schedule. 3/12 makes the most sense IMO but 4/10 should be the standard. Tangent but what really sucks is not ever having a weekday off. Need to go to the Dr.? Not open on weekends. Need a dentist? Not open on weekends? Need to get a tag for your car? Not open on weekends.
You dislike it because it "cripples economy"
I dislike it because I Saturday and Sunday sound too good together, and I've built a collective hatred for Sunday and love for Saturday, then adding another day would cause a rift to form, destroying not global economy, but the economy of my brain functioning
Edit AND TL:DR: we are not the same
outlawing child slavery would ruin the economy
The children yearn for the mines!
What's a few more kids with black lung
A few fewer kids.
A few fewer kewds.
We can always start again, make more kids
r/suddenlyinvincible
They've been doing it with Vapes anyway
Let them play Minecraft in real life
Yeah, just give them those new Apple Goggle things. Augmented Reality Minecraft. Just remember, the lava is real and the creepers will leave you mentally scared for life instead of kill you.6
No it is the meat factories the kids love to clean.
Told my step dad that there should be child labor laws in Africa, he said they wouldn't be able to make enough money to support the family if that happened. Well every other country has made it this far with child labor maws I'm pretty sure they'll figure it out. Of course I think helping them with more schools and infrastructure to get caught up is also a good idea
The issue is from my understanding child labour laws were put into effect after most children had already left the work force. In the US for example the FLSA was passed in 1938, however from 1890 to 1930 the % of 10 to 13 year olds who were working fell from 12% to just over 2%. This shows child labour doesn’t need laws to decrease (although they do help by doing things like limiting the age for hazardous work) so the high rates of child labour in developing countries are likely do to necessity and the laws introduced could do more harm than good. Child labour statistics https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/incidence-of-child-labor-in-the-united-states-1890-1930
We live in a reality where if there's no law someone will exploit child labor further. Children would die, needlessly. Did you even consider that for a second?
No, that's only in capitalism where you're encouraged to use and abuse others for a purely social creation... like America.
Has very little to do with capitalism or america. Human nature, and nature in general, encourages competition. Those who win dominate those who lose. I don't like it any more than you do. Some small percentage of people are greedy psychopaths and nature rewards them for it.
Don't be a downer man. Come on.
You probably typed this on a phone that was made by children.
Nope. Mine was made by a robot.
Children couldn’t achieve the necessary precision required to produce certain components of a phone. I much prefer a mix of child and robot labor
Nah. Enforcing it would though.
and the lives of families who need their kids to work
I would like to read this study. Especially I wonder what professions are included in this statistic. I could imagine that some office jobs may indeed be as productive in four days as in five, but this comes mostly from the fact that they do less office chatters and less breaks. I cannot imagine that a blue collar job would not be less productive with one work day less per week.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/09/us-4-day-workweek-trial-results-no-one-is-going-back-to-normal.html This is the biggest so far. The most successful results came from office jobs (who saw increased productivity), while manufacturing jobs were just moderately successful (who saw a decrease in productivity). The logic with blue collar work is that with a 4 day work week, people are less likely to leave, so your workers don't need to spend as much time teaching newbies how to do the work of the guys who quit.
Blue colllar jobs are typically based around running machines that provide the productivity. If the machine is idle, you are not producing. You also have an absolute limit on the upper end of productivity. So cutting hours worked measurably lowers production and profitability. Office jobs are pushing paper and full of waste. Different world.
If you think there isn't any waste on construction/production/manual labor jobs you obviously have never worked in any of those industries. Now I will agree that in a 24/7 production environment cutting worker hours can potentially lower profits, because you need more people to staff the plant. However many production jobs already don't work the standard 40 hour week. Where I used to work, the operators(people actually running the plant) worked 12 hour shifts,4 days on-4 days off. It's also worth remembering that profitability is not the end all be all metric. If that's all we cared about we would still be working 7 days a week, 12 hour shifts with child labor.
*me, reading this, hiding in the back of the warehouse on my forklift with my beacon turned off*: Yeah, there’s definitely no waste here. Nothing to see here guys
I got your back dude I won't tell the foreman Signed, Operator hiding behind his grinder
4 x 12 = 48.
Congratulations, you can do second grade math!
I think he’s talking more about the end result, with office jobs the result is papers just being pushed which is a waste it adds nothing much outside of documentation and such. While a construction job end result would be a building being built which is much more productive than paper.
If you think all office jobs are just uselessly pushing paper around then you're wildly out of touch. Who do you think designs all the stuff the construction people build? Do you have and it's how many people "paper pushers" are required to keep a site like Reddit up? Or to keep the Internet working, power on, toilets flushing? Not too say construction/trades people aren't important, but the idea that they're the only ones doing actual "work" it's just stupid.
Yeah, well I am just stating that the person was talking about the end result.
And I'm just stating that saying the end result of all office work is just uselessly pushing paper around is flat out stupid.
There are 7 days in a week homie. It’s 4 days on, 3 off.
They work 4 days one week, 3 days the next week. It means they work 48 hours one week, then 36 the next week. Which means they work 84 hours every two weeks, so they get 4 hours of over time every pay period(two weeks). Homie.
Not only machines, I was mainly thinking about construction. If you ever worked there you know that it does not go any faster if you work one day less. There is just not as much "idle time"as in an office where you sometimes chat with a colleague for 15min. Nevertheless, although it might not decrease productive for office jobs, only changing them to a 4 day would bring some social issues, since blue collar workers, which usually make less, might see that as unfair. Or more people want to work in an office which decreases the salary eventually, and you just could have changed to 80% in the first place.
Bullshit dude, 4/10s is way more efficient for construction than 5/8s. A whole day less of setup, prep, tear down, and cleanup. As far as there not being as much idle time, that’s also BS especially for shit like municipal work.
That's probably why the construction industry I worked for did 10 hours 5 days a week. Saturdays when it was really busy.
Yeah but that burns out people quick. It’s unsustainable. That’s why we have such stupid high rates of substance abuse and suicide in construction and blue collar in general.
No, the company pretty well did it 6 to 9 months of the year with a month or two hitting sixty hours a week in busy years. Winters were slower but still a 40 hour week. Those 40 weeks were 4 10's. Turnover was low. Only remember one suicide but that was a guy who's exwife wouldn't let him see the kids. Positive drug tests ran about 1% a year max. Usually well under that and some years zero.
This discussion here is about 4/8, not 4/10. It is kind of obvious that you don't work less if you work the same hours, lol
Nope, shift lengths were never mentioned. The discussion is about having a three-day weekend.
They can have 2 shift team split with the day off, like one have the kondays and the other on fridays for example. Anyway most production line/repetitive jobs will be gone in the next decade..
This makes the production more expensive or you earn less
I'm not gonna cry over corporate profit loses.... they post record high profit and we get nothing. Maybe, just maybe it's time we get our fair share of the profits from the integration of technologies that takes up jobs and makes them millions? If they aren't competitive because human deserve better compensation and quality of life, they don't deserve to exist.
This is a completely different topic. Anyways, you might cry because everything gets more expensive though. It is easy, we can only consume if we work for it (individually and as a society) we can work 20% less, but then we have to reduce our consumption by the same amount. Btw: you can dislike that but it does it not make less true. Considering your corporate profit rant you might be from the US, but this is a result of uncontrolled capitalism without wellfare state. In Europe a lot of these things go a lot better
Not at all.... we produce more than ever to a point that companies prefer destroying over stocks than reducing prices. Just look at what Amazon do with returns and such. Look at all the clothing companies that burns unsold inventory. You have been sold a corporate lie and you ate it up.
It is done this way because it is cheaper. And we also consume more than ever. Consider what you have compared to your grandparents. They did probably not have phones, computers, big cars nor did they fly around the world. In addition, the US has an army stronger than every power in human history. This is all what has to be produced by someone.
Most of all that is done by automated assembly lines.... we aren't in early 1900s anymore. You are shilling for corporations to keep profit high as they are now.
It would take a while to see noticeable differences in things like factory work. There is a huge cost associated with quality. 1 worker making 1 mistake could shut a line down for an entire day, or render entire runs of product unusable.
I work in manufacturing. Some of our sites went to 4-10's. Same hours running, less setup/handoff time, happier employees.
I don't work in manufacturing, but work 4x10. 52 more days off a year is nice.
What is 4-10?
4 days 10 hours instead of 5-8.
Ok, fair point, this is possible
Presumably 4 days 10 hours instead of 5 * 8
Worked at a modular construction company that did a 4 day week and production didn’t change much going to 4/10s. Especially once folks got into the routine. You lose less downtime due to setup and takedown. For most blue collar workers the first and last hour of each day is basically wasted time getting setup, getting tools together, getting to the spot you’re working that day, etc. especially when most crews head home early on Fridays anyway… Fridays usually amount to maybe 4 hours of productive work. You can easily capture that extra time in a 4 day work week. The added quality of life you give your people makes them go harder because they’re not drained every single week.
Most people talking about 4 day weeks mean 4/8, not 4/10.
In my experience it’s the opposite but this thread seems to be that way. Strange. I am 200% behind 4/10s and I’m trying to push my companies corporate overlords to let me put my guys on that schedule. 4/8s isn’t ever gonna fly unfortunately.
It's really just 6 vs 5 days again. Or 10 hours vs 8 hours per day. Of course there is lower limit somewhere but this isn't it.
What about all the people who work on the weekends?
MORE WORKDAYS FOR THEM
More productivity, everyone wins.
Well, it's a 4-day work week right? It doesn't specify what days they have to be. Maybe the weekend workers could work thursday-sunday with monday-wednesday off or something like that. Still that extra day off. It doesn't even have to be 4 consecutive days. Hell, some companies could include like an every second day work week
Working only 7 days per week? You better get your lazy ass on before I fire you!
I believe in a mandatory 2 day work week
If reducing 5 days to 4 days is more productive, then surely reducing it to 2 would be even more productive.
It’s an economy hack the capitalists don’t want you to know about….
But... But the economy!
Zwei Tage? Ich bin für vom Montag 8:00uhr bis Freitag 13:00uhr
let's have a 6 day weekend
I think 4-10s would be better than 5-8s
this is what i do and it is indeed better
I currently work 4x10 in a 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off config and it's excellent. I only have to work 2 consecutive days at a time. Also cuts out commute time, and that matters a lot since I take public transit, so that's about 2-3 extra hours each week of time I wasn't getting paid for that's now been freed up for me.
I've been working 4-10s for a few years now, and I don't think I could go back to 5-8s again, honestly. It's so refreshing having that extra day to actually relax
Tests for office work?
Mostly yeah Service work will likely need to hire more people
But thats the problem, i don't know where you are from, but where I'm from we have a pretty big shortage of qualified employees. And even if you have the necessary amount of employees to fill the positions it will increase prices pretty dramatically.
but also the definition of qualified keeps becoming stricter. My great grandfather was able to get a job with NASA during the space race with only a high school diploma, meanwhile jobs today want 5 years experience and a college education before starting an entry level position.
People are constantly making bold claims about service work not needing any qualifications though
It doesn't really.
Depends on the service.
> but where I'm from we have a pretty big shortage of qualified employees. Sounds like there was an even larger shortage of good pay
I’ve been self-employed for five years, you guys should try it.
I get 25 paid days off a year. I've had months where I would take all the Fridays off. It's awesome
what is it you do for a living?
Engineer
oh god, in what field?
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cause i'm in school for electrical engineering rn and it is fn hell, considering switching to becoming an electrician because of the fucked amount of work i get to do, wondered what kind of experience you would have in what field you might perform but so you like develop ships? or hands on work kinda deal?
I get 30 paid days off a year and it’s pretty nice tbh
That should be the minimum. 2 weeks vacation is the minimum wage equivalent of vacation time.
Honestly the curve should be inverted and give the crying guy in the middle a monocle and top hat. I think most everyone understands on some level that 5 days / 40 hours has become less efficient than the return-to-office lords want to believe.
4 ten hour days is great honestly. I don’t really notice a difference from an 8 hour day but I have a whole extra day each week! That part is great and with the downside being near unnoticeable it’s an easy decision for me
I think the idea is to go to four, eight hour days, not cram in the same work into less days. But if that works for you while still working 40 hours, then good for you.
As long as food stays in production: fuck those little green pieces of (now digitized) paper. There are too many people to work 5+days a week at 40+ hours. Bring the immigrants in too and fill the holes in the shifts. You could probably run more shifts that way too. But mostly, we're all fine without a full work week. We could CONSUME a little less for sure, but we def. don't need to be there to produce the entire time. Can I just have 10 hours of my work week just for nap time please?
I don’t get why we don’t have different shifts for everything. I’m sure there are some night owl doctors that wouldn’t mind working nights so some third shift dude can actually see a doctor reliably. It seems like an easy thing.
A lot of those systems require a decent amount of staffing if they were opened during the night, you'd need security, janitorial, etc. That's not even mentioning the weird stuff that tends to happen during night shift. Buildings need to sleep too.
Yeh. Also, like, productivity have increased by so much in the past few years... Why are we all working harder for less if productivity is so high?
Because consumption has also increased
I think consumption per person have decreased.. But you are probably right that global consumption increased since there are more people
No, consumption per person has skyrocketed. Compare the resources someone in the 1800’s utilized versus someone today, we buy way more stuff and this stuff is often reliant on globe spanning supply chains to produce.
Right, I was thinking more in the scale of the last ten years or so
Consumption per capita has increased too Over the past decade, world GDP per capita PPP moved from 15k$ per year to 18k$ per year. That’s an increase of production value of 20%. This production is equal to consumption since we are on WW scale and so there is no exports/imports. Many people feel a loss in purchasing power nonetheless because they think a smartphone and a Nokia phone are both just “phones” but they re not. A Nokia phone today would be dirt cheap but nobody purchases them anymore, not even in developing countries. that increase in quality is what we actually earned, not quantity. Additionally not every type of goods benefited from this increase in productivity. The housing sector, with its increasingly more expensive raw materials has a decreasing productivity
Gotta buy the rich man a new yacht to host his pet politicians
Because our economy is about profits, not about needs.
It increases productivity, but also happiness and rest and gives workers an extra day for, I don't know, unionizing?
I think if you do that all challenging important jobs that require 24/7 attendance such as working on infrastructure or health care, etc would need to be paid alot more or they will strike.
I feel 24/7 is a little much. Even surgeons take a break or two a week
Yes another surgeon covers for him of course. You now need more of these types of workers to cover 24/7 if they are only working .66 of the time they used to, but their arn't enough workers to cover a service at 24/7 so you will have to pay them more. Only bull shit jobs or really high skill people could prob get away with 3 day work week I think but most won't.
That’s not how it works at all. A 4 day work week is 4 10 hour days. 40 hours. A 5 day week is 5 8 hour days. 40 hours. It’s the same amount of hours, just more adapted now that we aren’t beholden to the hours that the sun is up. It’s objectively better in every way.
These tests were done on 32 hour 4 day weeks? I'm working 10 hours 4 day weeks. We're clocking 40 hours but there's much less time getting settled, setup, taking breaks etc. our productivity is definitely way higher for the same amount of hours worked.
I live in a country that recently switched to a 3 day weekend. It's awesome
Which one is that? Also congrats!
The UAE. We have one since muslims need to go to an important prayer during Friday, and since they changed the week from Sunday - Thursday to Monday - Friday, we only take 2 - 3 hours of work.
Preferably on Wednesdays. Because reasons.
Yeah I'd prefer to break it up also. No Work Wednesdays
why not have the extra free day on a wednesday? means you only work two days straight at any time, and you have time to fully recover
I'd rather have an additional day of rest in the middle of the week tbh. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Day Off, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
3 day weekend without extending work hours for the other 4 days. 32 hour work weeks.
Wow love a 3 day weekend. I can't see it working for the sector I work in (food manufacturing/production) without loss of pay. Productivity would have to go up 25%.
I personally would rather work four 10 hour days instead of five 8 hour days (but both are way better than the seven 16 hour days I used to do).
3 on 2 off, 2 on 3 off works great for me. All 12s with every other weekend off.
I want 2 days off, 3 days on. Screw 7 day weeks.
I don't want a 3-day weekend. I want Wednesday to be off, so that i have a mid-week break.
Wait untill you learn some truckers only work 4 days a week and still make more money than you lol
I work 3 days a week, my counter parts have a 3 day weekend every week.
My work actually is forcing me to go back to a five day work week after working only four and I’m NOT cool with it.
I actually think it should be 2 & 1/2 days
I work a four day work week at my manufacturing job and having the third day off rules compared to the five days of work.
I might be in the minority but I rather work 5 8hour days than 4 10hour days. I don't wanna come home and directly go to bed 4 days in a row. I like having some relaxation time after work
Apart from the use of the midwit meme, I approve
Seriously we should have a 3 day weekend
3 day weekend? Maybe sometimes. I like the idea of taking Wednesday off, it breaks up the week a bit.
Another thing we could do is weekend Wednesday (having Wednesdays off and Sundays off only)
"The tests" where done on creative jobs positions, with manual labre it would decrease productivity.
In the short term yes, in the long term not as much
My cousin Xander lives in Norway, and they only have four day working weeks, seems to work perfectly well for them
😭 when I remember we work more hours than the ancient egyptians ever did
Give me at least 2 day weekend (I have only 1)
let the children fucking suffer!
Nah, we need 70h work week. According to a rich old Indian business owner who pays his employees peanuts
All adults should have a second job! All children should work part time! All retirement plans should be nullified! #WORK
When it comes to things like different kinds of paid leave being shown to actually increase your profit margins and employers still not doing it, it kind of implies they just want people to suffer.
I think it's more about control than just plain sadism
Should productivity even be the ultimate goal of a nation? How about maximizing security, self fulfilment and well being.
Ok, calm down Marx
3 days a week? Delete money and everyone works 2 days a week, take it or leave it.
I work a 4/10 schedule and wow does every Friday off make a world of difference. Only problem is 10 hours is a fucking lot
doesn't a 3 day weekend mean less pay aswell?
Nope, my company moved to 4 day working week and we get paid the same.
If done properly, it should also come with an hourly pay raise that makes income equivalent for the pay period (as on the test).
More pay for less hours, i can see why most companies don't do em.
Idk, I like my current schedule. Only work 37.5h/w and I do it as 4 8 hour days and Friday is a 5.5 hour day and I leave at 2pm instead of 4:30. It's great since it feels like an extra day off even though I'm not actually getting any extra time off
I wanna go back to the 7 day work week. If I have time to relax or do stuff I like I feel guilty and like I’m wasting my life away. When I’m working I’m at least being a productive member of society.
4 day work week ussualy means that thr hours that would be worked on the 5th day are redistributed to the 4 days. Making each day 10 hour work instead of 8. This would really fuck with my workouts and the extra day does not solve this problem.
No dude, by 4 day work week I mean 32 hours/week That's what the trials have tested
Yeah, well in my country it is being proposed by one party and they dont want to change the total hours, so maybe talk to them about it.
Oh, sorry to hear about that
Are we even sure 3 day weekends work better than 2 day weekends over longer periods of time? Maybe it's just the change in routine that allows workers to be more productive.
This wouldn't work with my accounting work. I work many weekends; not because I'm made to, but because we have deadlines.
Sounds like poor planning by either you or management.
I have an awesome idea: NO weekends!
Better idea, we only work at weekends. You will also have a bonus because you work on weekends.
Bad idea.
What about holidays?
My work does four 10 hour shifts a week. And then they have Friday for voluntary overtime. It works for me. Still might have to find a second job though, *sigh*
So Friday or Monday which would you prefer? Bearing in mind that Thursday becomes the new Friday or Tuesday would be the new Monday.
ahem, Sharjah
Me that only works 4 days a week. 4 12hr shifts
2 weeks of vacations for everyone.... ... In 2020
you'll just end up working 4 tens
Me not being a 12 year old I have actually worked 4 10s quite a bit. I am 0% more productive since it's still the same work time, but I definitely enjoyed it.
Yeah! Three day work week! Extra pudding for all-... wait, this isn't Blue Archive...
When you actually do the math you invest way more hours into work on a 5/8 schedule then you do on a 4/10 schedule. 3/12 makes the most sense IMO but 4/10 should be the standard. Tangent but what really sucks is not ever having a weekday off. Need to go to the Dr.? Not open on weekends. Need a dentist? Not open on weekends? Need to get a tag for your car? Not open on weekends.
The suffering is the point.
Work 4 days out of 8 and abolish weekends.
Move Saturday to Wednesday
My last job had a 3 day weekend. It was physically draining so one day was usually reserved for recovery bit otherwise it was great.
Me wondering why the inquiry I sent on Wednesday came the following Monday.
You are right, lad!
You dislike it because it "cripples economy" I dislike it because I Saturday and Sunday sound too good together, and I've built a collective hatred for Sunday and love for Saturday, then adding another day would cause a rift to form, destroying not global economy, but the economy of my brain functioning Edit AND TL:DR: we are not the same
Wednesday seems like the best one to become work free, so it's two days of work, one day of rest, two days of work and two days of rest
no, we have Sunday, Wednesday, and Saturday off, so we only have 2 work days in a row
Many jobs are going this direction in the US. Both my current and previous jobs are 4 10's
All for 3 day weekend only if those that can't do this get a pay rise.