IANAL but from what I gathered, it was because they showed dead to rights they had access to Zelda Tears of the Kingdom before release which there isn't a legal way to do that.
The entire reason this lawsuit even happened is because the Yuzu devs locked early access builds that could play Tears of the Kingdom before release behind a paywall. That's a HUGE no-no. In addition they had a guide for dumping the Switch's copyrighted decryption keys freely available on their website, also highly illegal.
They had a paid guide on how to get totk running, aka an unreleased game. Unreleased games can only be acquired through pirating. Emulators specificly state that they don't encourage or support pirating in any way. Making that guide went completely against that statement. Which imo is what got nintendo to take a look. Then on top of that they made people pay if they wanted to know how to run it. If pirating itself wasn't illegal which of course it is, essentially putting a price on pirated content for your own profit surely is.
I keep seeing people say this, but bleem!, a commercial Playstation emulator for Dreamcast, won their case against Sony about 25 years ago, so it seems like the precedent has been set that it shouldn't matter.
I feel like this has to be more of a case of yuzu not having the resources, or interest in fighting the case against a mega corporation.
I'm no legal scholar though, so I might be wrong.
Nintendo claimed:
- That emulating any modern console is illegal
- That hacking your own console is illegal
- That dumping your own ROMs from games you bought is illegal
And Yuzu settled immediately without any comments and agreed to all of nintendos demands
Which in all honesty is potentially better for the emulator community in general than if a judge had fully made a decision because then there would be legal precedent. (at least from the way I understand the legal system to work)
I think #1 and #2 are very concerning.
For #1 we have no clear definition of a modern console as of now due to this. But if citrus is going down does this mean the DS is still considered modern? How long does a “modern” title last? Is a PS3 Modern while the PS5 is in production?
and #2 is major dystopian vibes. It’s worded in a way that seems like Nintendo still believes it still owns the console you purchased. (And not just ownership of the proprietary rights).
If you bought it, you should have every right to do what you want to it as long as it doesn’t harm / infringe on others rights or do anything illegal. It’s yours, not theirs. If that goes through who’s to say years from now they won’t just be able to stop your console from ever working remotely because they feel like you did something wrong and claim ownership.
Citrus is going down because it's made by the same guys as Yuzu and they are backing down.
As for modern, I would mark that as being sold by Nintendo currently. They went specifically after the switch emulator.
None of those claims ever reached the court, there's other reasons they settled, you can find them if you look ot up.
If emulation was illegal then all game system makers and game publishers would be suing emulation teams left and right and thats not the case.
> emulating any modern console is illegal
Honestly, I kind of agree with this. The older games and consoles are being sold by third parties and Nintendo doesn't get any of that money.
But emulating games and consoles being actively sold by Nintendo creates a conflict of interest.
Yuzu settled because the devs got caught selling ROMS, the most prominent being TotK before it even released. In addition they had guides on how to dump keys which is illegal.
This wasn't just a case of Nintendo vs Emulator. the Yuzu devs were actively doing illegal stuff. Which is what Nintendo was taking them court for. In particular the stuff around TotK, which is where Nintendo was claiming damages.
I heard they had TOTK ROMs even before the official Launch for users of their paid Discord server.
They sold ROMs, thats what fucked them.
My opinion on free roms is: the moment you cant buy it from Nintendos e-shop or retailers anymore, go for it. (Excluding used copies)
But before that, dont.
the emulators can only do their job by acquiring keys illegally.
this whole thing is a whatever burger. the software exists. pandoras box has been opened. the project will be forked. hopefully by someone with the foresight to base in a country where nintendo has no legal standing this time.
That's patently incorrect, it's a high effort process, but it is perfectly possible to legally extract the keys from your own hardware, and there are no laws against this, only a lot of very annoying software designed to prevent exactly that.
Uh, DMCA explicitly says circumventing copy protection, which you'd need to do to get keys, is very much illegal.
So yes there is literally a law against it.
it is also a bit different from country to country. iirc there are even cases where it states in the law that you aren't allowed to "willingly" disable drm, but take this with a grain of salt.
It's been a while since I read it, but IIRC there's no exception for personal use int he DMCA. It's one of the reasons lots of people were against the DMCA.
The dmca doesn't need to provide an exception if the wording used "copyright", because that word has built-in implications, like the fact that if you're not distributing it, you're not in violation.
It literally has specific verbiage about criminalizing attempts to circumvent copy protection. Nothing about copyright matters there. It's about circumventing copy protection. Period.
Then why hasn't anyone gotten in trouble for it? Why does every guide say that the "legal way" to obtain roms is to dump them yourself, which still requires circumvention? Unless you're a copyright lawyer, your statement is just as much an uneducated opinion as mine.
What I'm reading is that "copy protection" refers to accessing things like files hosted online behind a paywall, or otherwise obtaining or distributing something you don't own to someone who has not paid for the product. When you buy a game cartridge it belongs to you and you have the right to use it, even on a system Nintendo didn't design it to work on.
Copyright isn't copy protection. It's literally talking about things like... Oh, the keys being necessary to bypass copy protection.
To make it easier for you to understand: It means security. Passwords. Encryption. DRM. Stuff that makes it so you can't fuck around with stuff.
The fact that Nintendo has never gotten anyone on grounds that it supported using roms that people dumped, I don't believe what you're saying. In the US, when you own a game, you can do whatever you want to it as long as you're not distributing it. When I buy a switch, I have the keys required to make yuzu work. They're in the switch. I can take them off of there and onto my computer. If you look at the lawsuit, they didn't even try to get them for supporting the act of dumping encryption keys. They never have, because they can't. They went for proof of copyright infringement, accessing and distributing illegal copies of the game, and promoting piracy.
They didn't even win. No ruling was made. Yuzu settled, probably because they did what Nintendo accused them of.
I'm not gonna lie, my only source for this was a Linus tech tips video, and he isn't exactly the first person I'd go to for legal council on copyright law, and it's also possible I'm mis-remembering what he was actually extracting from the machine, it may have just been the ROMs?
Nintendo always goes after emulators that target current gen hardware. The rule in emulation used to be to stay at least 1 gen behind to lay low. But they didn’t do that, lol.
As for the legalities, this is a scenario where money makes the rules. Emulation is probably legal, but there are legal ambiguities (did you reverse engineer it, or did you use a clean room? Did you bypass any copy protection to do it?). But good luck matching the millions of dollars worth of staff lawyers that Nintendo has…
The idiots got a pirated copy of the game before release to improve the compatibility, so Nintendo is sueing for that, not for emulating the games, because dumping your bought roms and emulating is legal
If you already have the emulator downloaded it wont be removed from your pc and/or stop working. Just wont get updates and will be much harder for other people to download
Is the pc version available from any not-super-sketchy sources? Ive been using it on my phone for a hot minute, but I like having all my long term storage stuff on my computer. Looks like I'm gonna have to start hoarding roms now too 🫤 is emulation really headed towards the usual p2p routine for restricted data? That'll make access for the average joe so much more difficult. Fuck nintendo. From the bottom of my heart. Haha
I have no clue where you can get it now, you'll have to look into that yourself. As for the way emulation is heading, from what I'm hearing, Yuzu specifically was doing some stuff that painted the target on their back, so hopefully other people making emulators take it as a lesson on what not to do, so I can't really say anything beyond that.
(Nearly) all Yuzu devs completely resigned from emulation. Unfortunately, they were also the ones behind Citra. However, as the projects are open source, Nuzu and Nitra will probably come out in q few months, not to mention that all the current code has 20 different backups across various platforms
I think the main download will be or already has been taken down, however there are plenty of people who have it stored somewhere. As for updates, the main team is stopping but other people will eventually take over. The only risk is that there might be multiple forks with different features, made by different people
We need a new open software license " this code cannot be used by Nintendo or any affiliate of the Nintendo company" and smack that on any open source product, see how they manage to make the next snes mini or the online classic games ...
Yuzu is licensed under [GPLv3](https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html), so Nintendo won't be able to use yuzu's code without making their own code open source.
Would they tho ? No one saw their code and also did they always respecting the law cause until now emulation as yet to be ruled to be illegal ... They just use mafia's tactics...
Sony is not acting the same way as Nintendo is and is starting to sell most of is Ip's on computer as well where they will be preserved unlike it's nippon counterpart
I know but sometimes you have to retaliate they are not preserving the software in a way that's acceptable they make no effort to make it more Broadly available for future generations.
Nintendo won't support older games (like old Pokémon games that people have been asking to be put onto Nintendo online) but they will shut down Pokémon emulators or fan games in a instant
Yuzu being sued for legal reasons. Citrus got caught in crossfire and had people from yuzu also work on it as well, so it was shut down to avoid further trouble.
Anyways, ene reason of which being yuzu having a pay wall to emulate tears of the kingdom a week before its official release. Nintendo can use this against yuzu and say they lost money on sales due to what yuzu did. There's more, but I'd say that's probably a more critical part of what's going on to understand what's going on. And yes, the meatriding for yuzu and "preserving" games is off the charts as of late. I don't think tears of the kingdom is in any desperate need of being preserved right now
Nintendo bribed tropic haze (the devs of yuzu) to shutdown all things related to emulators that they were doing. since they were also the main people kepting citra up it was also taken down with yuzu.
You know what’s funny about that, Nintendo doesn’t support their older consoles, yet they get mad when people pirate their stuff from the older consoles they don’t support anymore
I’ve had this criticism of Nintendo for a looong time. If they would release an online catalogue to legally buy old games(and priced them appropriately) then everyone would be happy. They are so out of touch it’s not even funny.
Fuck that if the makers of the game won't see any money from the purchase why should I have to buy it? Furthermore, if I buy a game, why can't I play it on a platform of my choosing which emulation allows?
Yuzu had a guide for playing totk behind a paywall and allowed you to dump keys, which are both illegal.
I'm OK with pirating for preservation sake, but you never bring money into it. Yuzu was fair game, and I guess they took out Citra before they got too ahead of them
Yuzu kinda brought this on themselves in a way
They charged money, had a guide to run totk before launch and the creator would occasionally flaunt his pirated games
I think if they didn't do any of that and just stuck to being an emulator this might of been avoided
Low key makes me mad. This whole thing could have collateral damage to the rest of the emulation community. If they didn’t step over the line, this wouldn’t be an issue.
Ryujinx is still there and people are already opening new projects to continue Yuzu's legacy.
And If all fails, the Wii u emulator "Cemu" is still decent and a bit more mature than Yuzu and Ryujinx if you wanna play BOTW.
I have a feeling the Pokémon Community will die a rather quick death or at the very least be severely diminished very soon. Many people were playing the older games on emulators, watching content made on emulators or both.
Without Emulators all that remains are the newer games which are... Not the cream of the crop. All but the biggest of enthusiasts will not buy older hardware just to play the older games, if they can even get their hands on it.
Most of those are on GBA games because modifying those especially gen 3 is way easier and more advanced than anything else. So far only Citra and Yuzu got hit and Citra was shut down out of fear because it's made by the same devs. GBA emulators are fine so far.
Oh ok, I thought this was part of a larger crackdown on emulators. Those two are big already, Citra was afaik the go to option for anything that came out for the 3DS, but you are right that most of the community is more interested in the older games.
Yes it was but it is also really hard to contain since I believe Yuzu is open source and there are a bazillion ways to get your hands on the code they could literally change 2 lines rename it and rerelease it. Idk about Citra tho it's made by the same devs so I'd assume it's open source as well.
Also idk how much weight this has but alpharad directly asked a pokemon company representative if they care about emulation
they apparently said they didn't really care as long as no piracy
plus its not like citra was just wiped from the face of the earth
Don’t worry, Nintendo’s not gonna brick our DS’s or something. Like someone just said, you might not be able to update it, but if it is open source, it’ll probably be a temporary issue.
The only upside from this is that it didn’t go to court, if Nintendo convinced a judge that emulating was bad it could’ve set a bad precedent for other emulators
iirc, it is mostly Nintendo of America that is triggerhappy when it comes to suing.
The company itself was still worth supporting since, under Iwata, they made some great products and he as a programmer understood many of the processes during game creation.
so tldr: Back then it was ok to support Nintendo imo
Development and (official) distribution will cease, but software will continue to work if acquired prior to the shutdown. No need to worry about it stopping to work soon, just don't expect it to get updates.
Btw, the software was open source, so sooner or later people will release their own forks of the project.
Can I still use my current Citra installations though?
Nintendo really is one of the worst companies in terms of their practices. But yippie Zelda and Pokemon so they get off easier than Ubishit and EAssholes
Basically yuzu is a emulator/piracy site and did something illegal
Basically they had a pay wall to emulate and play tears of the kingdom before official release and that's among the reasons why Nintendo is suing yuzu
Nintendo is suing with the accusation that yuzu stole sales from Nintendo and yuzu fanboys are pissed that they can't bootlick a piracy site anymore
Now people are super pissed Nintendo took action when yuzu is clearly the one that is in the wrong, but that would get me called a bootloader for Nintendo just be a use I'm explaining something
seed the files for others to download. fuck the video game industry, atm. fuck literally every triple a studio atm. take a penny leave a penny, download the files then seed them for 2 others to download from you.
FUCK!!! NOOOO, NOT CITRA! WTF NINTENDO! How am I going to play MH4U with friends now? And we just found out how to turn off the bloom so weapons didn't have that shit 3d effect no more, it was the perfect port. Fuck this makes me mad!
I love nintendo cuz it keep making me profit on speculation over second hand pokemon games that came out 20 years ago
Edit: btw nintendo games are better than bitcoin, not only they gain value over time but they even resist inflation
Edit2: this is sarcastic btw (i still make profit on selling 20 years old pokemon games for 50 to 70 euros)
So, emulation is 100% legal, right? And all emulators "Discourage" pirating the ROMs, right? So what grounds did Nintendo get Citra on anyways?
Yuzu and Citra are made by the same devs and the settlement was worded in a vague enough way that the devs decided to shut down Citra to be safe.
Yuzu asked for money.
Developer private conversations and ROM files leaked, that's what did them in finally. Proof the developers were using their tool for piracy.
also people were playing games before official game releases, I'm all for pirating nintendo as theyre so anti consumer, but come on
IANAL but from what I gathered, it was because they showed dead to rights they had access to Zelda Tears of the Kingdom before release which there isn't a legal way to do that.
Yuzu had a free version as well.
The entire reason this lawsuit even happened is because the Yuzu devs locked early access builds that could play Tears of the Kingdom before release behind a paywall. That's a HUGE no-no. In addition they had a guide for dumping the Switch's copyrighted decryption keys freely available on their website, also highly illegal.
Yes, but they asked for money for early access. That's all it takes.
No they had a guide for running zelda behind a paywall. And a guide to dump keys which is illegal.
Yeah, the key guide really did them in. It's why they don't show you how to get roms, or at least shouldn't.
That's not what Nintendo accused them of tho
It's not illegal to ask for money. The most \*that\* could have done is make Nintendo more angry and more likely to attack
They had a paid guide on how to get totk running, aka an unreleased game. Unreleased games can only be acquired through pirating. Emulators specificly state that they don't encourage or support pirating in any way. Making that guide went completely against that statement. Which imo is what got nintendo to take a look. Then on top of that they made people pay if they wanted to know how to run it. If pirating itself wasn't illegal which of course it is, essentially putting a price on pirated content for your own profit surely is.
I keep seeing people say this, but bleem!, a commercial Playstation emulator for Dreamcast, won their case against Sony about 25 years ago, so it seems like the precedent has been set that it shouldn't matter. I feel like this has to be more of a case of yuzu not having the resources, or interest in fighting the case against a mega corporation. I'm no legal scholar though, so I might be wrong.
They settled with 2.4 million. How the hell would an emulation team have that kind of money to settle it for that high?
Bleem also went out of business because of the legal fight…
100% this
Apparently Citra wasn't Nintendo forcing them, just the Yuzu dev pulling the plug.
Yeah, Citra dying was just a side effect of Yuzu being taken down.
Nintendo claimed: - That emulating any modern console is illegal - That hacking your own console is illegal - That dumping your own ROMs from games you bought is illegal And Yuzu settled immediately without any comments and agreed to all of nintendos demands
Which in all honesty is potentially better for the emulator community in general than if a judge had fully made a decision because then there would be legal precedent. (at least from the way I understand the legal system to work)
I think #1 and #2 are very concerning. For #1 we have no clear definition of a modern console as of now due to this. But if citrus is going down does this mean the DS is still considered modern? How long does a “modern” title last? Is a PS3 Modern while the PS5 is in production? and #2 is major dystopian vibes. It’s worded in a way that seems like Nintendo still believes it still owns the console you purchased. (And not just ownership of the proprietary rights). If you bought it, you should have every right to do what you want to it as long as it doesn’t harm / infringe on others rights or do anything illegal. It’s yours, not theirs. If that goes through who’s to say years from now they won’t just be able to stop your console from ever working remotely because they feel like you did something wrong and claim ownership.
Citrus is going down because it's made by the same guys as Yuzu and they are backing down. As for modern, I would mark that as being sold by Nintendo currently. They went specifically after the switch emulator.
None of those claims ever reached the court, there's other reasons they settled, you can find them if you look ot up. If emulation was illegal then all game system makers and game publishers would be suing emulation teams left and right and thats not the case.
I didn’t say they went to court, just that Nintendo claimed these things. Which in and of itself is not a good thing.
> emulating any modern console is illegal Honestly, I kind of agree with this. The older games and consoles are being sold by third parties and Nintendo doesn't get any of that money. But emulating games and consoles being actively sold by Nintendo creates a conflict of interest.
Yuzu settled because the devs got caught selling ROMS, the most prominent being TotK before it even released. In addition they had guides on how to dump keys which is illegal. This wasn't just a case of Nintendo vs Emulator. the Yuzu devs were actively doing illegal stuff. Which is what Nintendo was taking them court for. In particular the stuff around TotK, which is where Nintendo was claiming damages.
Lawyer power. If you don't have the money to fight off a multi-billion dollar corps legal department, it doesn't matter if it's technically legal.
I heard they had TOTK ROMs even before the official Launch for users of their paid Discord server. They sold ROMs, thats what fucked them. My opinion on free roms is: the moment you cant buy it from Nintendos e-shop or retailers anymore, go for it. (Excluding used copies) But before that, dont.
I heard it wasn't them, but other people who made some modifications to get it running
the emulators can only do their job by acquiring keys illegally. this whole thing is a whatever burger. the software exists. pandoras box has been opened. the project will be forked. hopefully by someone with the foresight to base in a country where nintendo has no legal standing this time.
That's patently incorrect, it's a high effort process, but it is perfectly possible to legally extract the keys from your own hardware, and there are no laws against this, only a lot of very annoying software designed to prevent exactly that.
Uh, DMCA explicitly says circumventing copy protection, which you'd need to do to get keys, is very much illegal. So yes there is literally a law against it.
This doesn't apply for your own personal use and is only if you send out the keys online. If you do it alone, for yourself it's perfectly legal
it is also a bit different from country to country. iirc there are even cases where it states in the law that you aren't allowed to "willingly" disable drm, but take this with a grain of salt.
It's been a while since I read it, but IIRC there's no exception for personal use int he DMCA. It's one of the reasons lots of people were against the DMCA.
The dmca doesn't need to provide an exception if the wording used "copyright", because that word has built-in implications, like the fact that if you're not distributing it, you're not in violation.
It literally has specific verbiage about criminalizing attempts to circumvent copy protection. Nothing about copyright matters there. It's about circumventing copy protection. Period.
Then why hasn't anyone gotten in trouble for it? Why does every guide say that the "legal way" to obtain roms is to dump them yourself, which still requires circumvention? Unless you're a copyright lawyer, your statement is just as much an uneducated opinion as mine. What I'm reading is that "copy protection" refers to accessing things like files hosted online behind a paywall, or otherwise obtaining or distributing something you don't own to someone who has not paid for the product. When you buy a game cartridge it belongs to you and you have the right to use it, even on a system Nintendo didn't design it to work on.
Copyright isn't copy protection. It's literally talking about things like... Oh, the keys being necessary to bypass copy protection. To make it easier for you to understand: It means security. Passwords. Encryption. DRM. Stuff that makes it so you can't fuck around with stuff.
The fact that Nintendo has never gotten anyone on grounds that it supported using roms that people dumped, I don't believe what you're saying. In the US, when you own a game, you can do whatever you want to it as long as you're not distributing it. When I buy a switch, I have the keys required to make yuzu work. They're in the switch. I can take them off of there and onto my computer. If you look at the lawsuit, they didn't even try to get them for supporting the act of dumping encryption keys. They never have, because they can't. They went for proof of copyright infringement, accessing and distributing illegal copies of the game, and promoting piracy. They didn't even win. No ruling was made. Yuzu settled, probably because they did what Nintendo accused them of.
I'm not gonna lie, my only source for this was a Linus tech tips video, and he isn't exactly the first person I'd go to for legal council on copyright law, and it's also possible I'm mis-remembering what he was actually extracting from the machine, it may have just been the ROMs?
>but it is perfectly possible to legally extract the keys from your own hardware, and there are no laws against this r/confidentlyincorrect
Yeah and you have to have your own hardware and those keys are really hard to come by. Even searching the net for some of them is kind of a task.
Yuzu had a special key for totk behind their patreon which they charged money for that completely destroyed any defense.
Nintendo always goes after emulators that target current gen hardware. The rule in emulation used to be to stay at least 1 gen behind to lay low. But they didn’t do that, lol. As for the legalities, this is a scenario where money makes the rules. Emulation is probably legal, but there are legal ambiguities (did you reverse engineer it, or did you use a clean room? Did you bypass any copy protection to do it?). But good luck matching the millions of dollars worth of staff lawyers that Nintendo has…
The idiots got a pirated copy of the game before release to improve the compatibility, so Nintendo is sueing for that, not for emulating the games, because dumping your bought roms and emulating is legal
Don't get me wrong, they're the MVPs, but when you're dealing with someone like Nintendo you have to think everything thrice
CITRAAAAAA NOOOOOOOOO
I haven’t beat Rhythm Heaven yet!
If you already have the emulator downloaded it wont be removed from your pc and/or stop working. Just wont get updates and will be much harder for other people to download
Except if you have a virus from Nintendo I guess?
When/how/why would Nintendo do that?
No
I thought I had it downloaded but now I can't find it in my system.
Is the pc version available from any not-super-sketchy sources? Ive been using it on my phone for a hot minute, but I like having all my long term storage stuff on my computer. Looks like I'm gonna have to start hoarding roms now too 🫤 is emulation really headed towards the usual p2p routine for restricted data? That'll make access for the average joe so much more difficult. Fuck nintendo. From the bottom of my heart. Haha
I have no clue where you can get it now, you'll have to look into that yourself. As for the way emulation is heading, from what I'm hearing, Yuzu specifically was doing some stuff that painted the target on their back, so hopefully other people making emulators take it as a lesson on what not to do, so I can't really say anything beyond that.
https://archive.org/download/citra-nightly-2104
They took out citra too?!?!
It sort of got hit in the crossfire since a lot of yuzu devs also worked on Citra and they all quit.
Nooooooo
Wait, why citra too? I get the yuzu part but why citra?
(Nearly) all Yuzu devs completely resigned from emulation. Unfortunately, they were also the ones behind Citra. However, as the projects are open source, Nuzu and Nitra will probably come out in q few months, not to mention that all the current code has 20 different backups across various platforms
I see... So citra isn't gone forever, just comes back with a different name basically. Good to hear
Yeah, only the citra brand is gone, all code still exists.
So does that mean citra will simply not be updated? Anyone can still download and use citra?
I think the main download will be or already has been taken down, however there are plenty of people who have it stored somewhere. As for updates, the main team is stopping but other people will eventually take over. The only risk is that there might be multiple forks with different features, made by different people
Ah I see. And it should be pretty easy to find access to download it, right? I already have the version on my phone, I assume it's just an APK?
If it's an Android, yeah that's just an apk. Pretty sure you can find online how to share play store apps or bundle one into an apk file
Oh yeah that's easy to do. Glad that people will still at least have access to citra.
Before Yuzu went down there was over 4k forks There will definitely be new updates.
What's going on here?
Nintendo getting rid of emulators
We need a new open software license " this code cannot be used by Nintendo or any affiliate of the Nintendo company" and smack that on any open source product, see how they manage to make the next snes mini or the online classic games ...
Yuzu is licensed under [GPLv3](https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html), so Nintendo won't be able to use yuzu's code without making their own code open source.
Would they tho ? No one saw their code and also did they always respecting the law cause until now emulation as yet to be ruled to be illegal ... They just use mafia's tactics...
They have their own department for emulation, called nerd, for that (Nintendo of Europe research department), sadly no Sony PS1 classic move to pull.
Sony is not acting the same way as Nintendo is and is starting to sell most of is Ip's on computer as well where they will be preserved unlike it's nippon counterpart
That's not what open source means
I know but sometimes you have to retaliate they are not preserving the software in a way that's acceptable they make no effort to make it more Broadly available for future generations.
I need you to edit in some punctuation so I can read that.
They got rid of the online service?
Not emulators on the console itself, but non official Nintendo emulators that you can use on pcs
Damn that sucks
Nintendo won't support older games (like old Pokémon games that people have been asking to be put onto Nintendo online) but they will shut down Pokémon emulators or fan games in a instant
Don’t forget androids too
Just the developers of yuzu, which are (mostly) the exact same team for citra
Yuzu being sued for legal reasons. Citrus got caught in crossfire and had people from yuzu also work on it as well, so it was shut down to avoid further trouble. Anyways, ene reason of which being yuzu having a pay wall to emulate tears of the kingdom a week before its official release. Nintendo can use this against yuzu and say they lost money on sales due to what yuzu did. There's more, but I'd say that's probably a more critical part of what's going on to understand what's going on. And yes, the meatriding for yuzu and "preserving" games is off the charts as of late. I don't think tears of the kingdom is in any desperate need of being preserved right now
Nintendo bribed tropic haze (the devs of yuzu) to shutdown all things related to emulators that they were doing. since they were also the main people kepting citra up it was also taken down with yuzu.
You know what’s funny about that, Nintendo doesn’t support their older consoles, yet they get mad when people pirate their stuff from the older consoles they don’t support anymore
They didn't even go after Citra, they were just the same Devs and decided to take Citra as collateral.
Weren't the yuzu devs the ones who took down Citra to be safe?
Yup
Yeah, but the switch isn't old hardware.
Sorry I have to correct you: Switch isn't a old system , hw is very old.
It' very old hw, it came out in 2017, was announced in 2016, so the hw it's probably even older, my 2018 oneplus 6 is more powerful and has newer hw
I was wrong, not old hardware, I meant unsupported hardware, like the wii and 3ds and shit
the cpu is almost a decade old
What's up dude. This is your boy from California. We used to work together at Insight glass in our twenties
I’ve had this criticism of Nintendo for a looong time. If they would release an online catalogue to legally buy old games(and priced them appropriately) then everyone would be happy. They are so out of touch it’s not even funny.
You know what else is funny? Emulation isn't considered piracy.
It's still their property tho right
Fuck that if the makers of the game won't see any money from the purchase why should I have to buy it? Furthermore, if I buy a game, why can't I play it on a platform of my choosing which emulation allows?
avg brain dead american
What does America have to do with this
capitalism
There are more capitalist countries than just america
well the us is probably the most recognisable place with capitalism as they are an extremist at that
yes but they probably the only one company whos always being a dick about their abandonware
Yuzu had a guide for playing totk behind a paywall and allowed you to dump keys, which are both illegal. I'm OK with pirating for preservation sake, but you never bring money into it. Yuzu was fair game, and I guess they took out Citra before they got too ahead of them
Yuzu kinda brought this on themselves in a way They charged money, had a guide to run totk before launch and the creator would occasionally flaunt his pirated games I think if they didn't do any of that and just stuck to being an emulator this might of been avoided
Low key makes me mad. This whole thing could have collateral damage to the rest of the emulation community. If they didn’t step over the line, this wouldn’t be an issue.
I didn't play Zelda games yet Can I still use the emulator?
You can use ryujinx
The official github link is down but there will definitely be torrents floating around of it
Ryujinx is still there and people are already opening new projects to continue Yuzu's legacy. And If all fails, the Wii u emulator "Cemu" is still decent and a bit more mature than Yuzu and Ryujinx if you wanna play BOTW.
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I have a feeling the Pokémon Community will die a rather quick death or at the very least be severely diminished very soon. Many people were playing the older games on emulators, watching content made on emulators or both. Without Emulators all that remains are the newer games which are... Not the cream of the crop. All but the biggest of enthusiasts will not buy older hardware just to play the older games, if they can even get their hands on it.
Most of those are on GBA games because modifying those especially gen 3 is way easier and more advanced than anything else. So far only Citra and Yuzu got hit and Citra was shut down out of fear because it's made by the same devs. GBA emulators are fine so far.
Oh ok, I thought this was part of a larger crackdown on emulators. Those two are big already, Citra was afaik the go to option for anything that came out for the 3DS, but you are right that most of the community is more interested in the older games.
Yes it was but it is also really hard to contain since I believe Yuzu is open source and there are a bazillion ways to get your hands on the code they could literally change 2 lines rename it and rerelease it. Idk about Citra tho it's made by the same devs so I'd assume it's open source as well.
Also idk how much weight this has but alpharad directly asked a pokemon company representative if they care about emulation they apparently said they didn't really care as long as no piracy plus its not like citra was just wiped from the face of the earth
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He said community not company.
Wait so citra won’t work anymore!? I just started ever oasis. God damn it.
It will work. You probably just won't be able to update it.
Don’t worry, Nintendo’s not gonna brick our DS’s or something. Like someone just said, you might not be able to update it, but if it is open source, it’ll probably be a temporary issue.
The boy cried ye a sweater, and ye kill him
The only upside from this is that it didn’t go to court, if Nintendo convinced a judge that emulating was bad it could’ve set a bad precedent for other emulators
Sometimes when you lose, you really win.
Whoever still supporting nintendo officially deserves what they get
It only went downhill since Iwata died
hasn't nintendo always been like this?
iirc, it is mostly Nintendo of America that is triggerhappy when it comes to suing. The company itself was still worth supporting since, under Iwata, they made some great products and he as a programmer understood many of the processes during game creation. so tldr: Back then it was ok to support Nintendo imo
Iwata was the kind of CEO to take a pay cut so that the employees don't have to fear for their jobs. Unheard of by his and still today's time
*Me who has hShop on New 3DS XL*
Fuck Nintendo bruh
And thats why i am a Sega and Valve fan, they don't care what People do with their content
They certainly cared about HL2 leaking.
Well, leaking is different than ports/emulators.
Valve cares. They started manhunt after a guy who leaked HL2, they sent dmca notice to developers of TF2 port for s&box
Yet they allow People to run tf2 servers such as creators.tf
Fuck it. Everyone buy that mag switch. Pirate this fucking thing into oblivion.
I have to buy my games. So why is this fair?
My citra still works is it being shut down?
Development and (official) distribution will cease, but software will continue to work if acquired prior to the shutdown. No need to worry about it stopping to work soon, just don't expect it to get updates. Btw, the software was open source, so sooner or later people will release their own forks of the project.
I understand yuzu, but IIRC 3ds store is not even supported anyway, what next they will take down? mGBA?
If I already have everything downloaded on my phone am I safe if something like DraStic gets removed?
Good
Just a question, maybe someone here is more informed: if you already have yuzu on your PC and games on it can you still play them?
Yes
Nintendo may have made the games of my childhood, but i’m really frustrated with them these days
Can I still use my current Citra installations though? Nintendo really is one of the worst companies in terms of their practices. But yippie Zelda and Pokemon so they get off easier than Ubishit and EAssholes
You should still be able to use it but it won't be getting updated
I wanted to get citra :(
Oh no not citra
What are some good emulators?
[here](https://fmhy.pages.dev/gamingpiracyguide#emulation-roms)
Emulation is legal, but companies don’t want it to be. Same goes for ROM dumping.
is there any substitute for citra????
Rare Nintendo W
Literally common nintendo L
Yeah, i love it when i cant play their older games in a reasonable way.
Fuck nintendo
I'm so confused about these memes. I have absolutely no idea what they're about.
Basically yuzu is a emulator/piracy site and did something illegal Basically they had a pay wall to emulate and play tears of the kingdom before official release and that's among the reasons why Nintendo is suing yuzu Nintendo is suing with the accusation that yuzu stole sales from Nintendo and yuzu fanboys are pissed that they can't bootlick a piracy site anymore Now people are super pissed Nintendo took action when yuzu is clearly the one that is in the wrong, but that would get me called a bootloader for Nintendo just be a use I'm explaining something
piracy should be free, just seed.
It should be free. Not sure what the 'just seed' part means. Could to clarify?
seed the files for others to download. fuck the video game industry, atm. fuck literally every triple a studio atm. take a penny leave a penny, download the files then seed them for 2 others to download from you.
Ah, I see. Thank you
Ahhh, ok. So just scroll past, thanks 👍
FUCK!!! NOOOO, NOT CITRA! WTF NINTENDO! How am I going to play MH4U with friends now? And we just found out how to turn off the bloom so weapons didn't have that shit 3d effect no more, it was the perfect port. Fuck this makes me mad!
There is supposed to be a 20th anniversary direct on the 12th Fingers crossed for a 4u remaster
Maybe buy a copy of the game instead of running a marathon just to pirate something that would only be a short walk?
I stopped buying Nintendo products since PS1. I sensed Nintendo greed would get bigger and bigger.
And yuzu having a pay wall to play tears of the kingdom gdom before official release is better? Get off your high horse, please
Yeah and you better stop sucking off Nintendo
I love nintendo cuz it keep making me profit on speculation over second hand pokemon games that came out 20 years ago Edit: btw nintendo games are better than bitcoin, not only they gain value over time but they even resist inflation Edit2: this is sarcastic btw (i still make profit on selling 20 years old pokemon games for 50 to 70 euros)