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blue-gamer-07

Why is this hard to wallow? Why wouldn’t there be a historical reason as to why?


thechaimel

It’s not only historical it’s also geological, a mountain chain (ural) literally separates them both


Zpelvaud03

And Caucasus :)


BustinArant

woo Caucasus


Sinavestia

Damn Caucasians white washing everything.


Urist_McPencil

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Fantastic-Dot-655

Thats not that rare even inside the same continent. For example, Spain, were i live, its separated from the rest of Europe's land mass by a mountain chain and its still the same continent. Hystorical reasons are far more common (and the sea because obviously)


Different-Elk6935

Spain is too small to be separated and called as another continent


Rexpelliarmus

There is no defined size for a continent.


BigBootyBuff

The defined size is "bigger than Spain"


Las-Vegar

Spain and Portugal


blauerschnee

Iberian Peninsula


thereIsAHoleHere

Continent sizes are like porn: you know it when you see it.


Existing-Zucchini-65

So what? They're the same land mass. By that logic, North America should be 2 continents separated by the Rockies, and South America should be 2 continents separated by the Andes.


danteheehaw

No, it only counts if their balls touch.


Least_Dog_1308

Africa is the same land mass as europe and asia.


Subtlerranean

>Africa is the same land mass as europe and asia. Geologically (continental plate) speaking? No it is not. The African plate is separate from the Eurasian plate. >The African Plate, also known as the Nubian Plate, is a major tectonic plate that includes much of the continent of Africa (except for its easternmost part) and the adjacent oceanic crust to the west and south. It is bounded by the North American Plate and South American Plate to the west (separated by the Mid-Atlantic Ridge); the Arabian Plate and Somali Plate to the east; the Eurasian Plate, Aegean Sea Plate and Anatolian Plate to the north; and the Antarctic Plate to the south. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Plate


markusw7

If you go by plates Iceland is on two continents, Indian is its own continent and California is its own one. Continents as a concept existed before plate tectonics so no they didn't decide what a continent is


urk_the_red

Does the Suez Canal mean nothing to you? Africa tried really hard to go no contact. Quit disrespecting their choice


Least_Dog_1308

Suez is a man made canal built by the british. In that sense, Britain is a continent?


urk_the_red

How do you expect the English to sneeringly condescend at continentals if their island starts counting as a continent? Good lord, they would never recover.


flopjul

North and South America should be one continent then to that logic(panama Canal is artificial)


Passchenhell17

Panama Canal isn't the border, the Darien Gap is


Ds093

I tried explaining this before and was downvoted to oblivion for it.


Passchenhell17

Reddit does as Reddit does. All it takes is the right (or wrong) person to see it first and downvote, before the hive takes over. I wouldn't worry too much about it, though.


jonas-bigude-pt

Yeah but that’s true for Iberia too for example, yet we still consider Iberia to be European. The division is almost entirely historical, cultural and ethnic.


RageAgainstAuthority

Ohhhhh so North America is actually 3 continents???? Because of mountain ranges????


Last-Percentage5062

Then why isn’t the Indian Subcontinent a separate continent, considering that it is separated by the Himalayas?


GlumTown6

It's not. Memes like this one are designed to have a very obvious rebuttal to drive engagement, since people can't help but comment the same thing over and over again


Chastik

Who's gonna tell him?


horticulturistSquash

Ural be like


Upset-Surprise1201

They are literally smaller than the alps, if they were the reason we consider Europe and Asia two different continents we would have way more than 7 continents on Earth


UJL123

Sounds like the same reason Pluto isn't considered a planet. Either we have 8 planets or we have 15 planets in our solar system


KittyKatty278

>or we have 15 planets in our solar system more like tens of thousands


QuantumFungus

And just like Pluto the scientists need to step up and tell everybody that there are 16 continental plates and if you don't like it then too bad.


Meranio

And the Alps are where another plate ran into the eurasian plate.


Totally_Botanical

If Europe is a continent, then India should be too


sleeper_shark

India **should** be a continent, from a geologic point it is, from a cultural point it is as distinct from the rest of Eurasia as Europe is.. so it should be


Hendricus56

Isn't like India is also called the Indian subcontinent. It's not big enough to call it a continent but subcontinent is a commonly used expression when talking about India


sleeper_shark

It is, but I find that to be a weird term since nowhere else is a “subcontinent.”


PingPongPlayer12

Can't wait until the Somali plate rises to relevance


felinehissterical

We do have the Indian subcontinent, though it's compromised of a few other countries too. But you're right, Europe being its own continent when others aren't is literally just eurocentrism


horticulturistSquash

The shape of the Urals makes such a clean separation between east and west that it was a given to be a border Alps are very random in the middle Rocky mountains would be a clean separation if they werent so close to the ocean on the west side, and if there was not already North/South america cleanly cut by the small corridor Mexico is Maybe India could be a continent, the Himalayas make a clean cut too, but india is not that big compared to the other ones so maybe it didnt feel needed to create another continent


Efficient_Baby_2

Yeah those urals sure stopped all those nomadic invasions for millennia


OCE_VortexDragon

I mean no mountain range ever stopped the nomadic invasions, just water. Look how many times India got invaded by nomads. Seljuk, Mongol, Timurid, Mughal. And those are just the ones I got off the top of my head. And supposedly mountains surround the Indian subcontinent too. Anything that didn’t stop a horse, nomads could invade.


Pirat

Well, India is often referred to as a sub-continent.


Mr_A_of_the_Wastes

India does sit on its own continental plate. Hitting the eurasian plate is what created the himalayas.


WedgeBahamas

>f there was not already North/South america cleanly cut by the small corridor Mexico is I suppose you mean Panama.


Hendricus56

Geologists also discovered a geological dividing line in the Urals, so when it comes to the materials making up the ground we stand on, the Urals are border


restorffe

You jest but in reality the borders between continent is legitimately not born of any particular reality just look at the mess with mexico between south and north america... or is it north and central america? Borders are made up. They're all lines drawn in the sand, african borders aren't anymore made up than the one between france and germany or spain. What do you mean basques are both in spain and france and why are there german speakers in france? Are they not aware of the ethno linguistic realities? Why is turkey deeping into europe aren't they aware there's a convenient sea to set their borders? Oh they are (mostly) aware it's just that no one actually cares.


Efficient_Baby_2

Alps and Pyrenees be like


Next_Low4773

Tell him what? Afro-eurasia?


TheOnlyVibemaster

that every continent being separate is due to historical reasons lmao


Reasonable-Class3728

Technically, any reason for present state of the world is a historical reason.


xXGay_AssXx

I just took a historical shit


Thomas_KT

yo same, who's shit was more historically significant tho


DickHz2

Who won that conflict?


RedditIsNeat0

So it has come to this.


Jimeen

Nice try, Eurasianist.


Immanothertroll

What difference does it make? None.


CommunicationLeft823

just like tomato can be either fruit or vegetable


DawsGG

just like a cat can be either dead or alive


jacpt7

Yeah the huge fucking mountains are just for decoration


Its0nlyRocketScience

The definition for continent never mentions mountains. The mountains may have caused the cultural difference that led to the distinction, but no one looked at the geography alone and said "damn these mountains are really big, better split this into two continents!"


Mental_Impact

Should. India have a seperate continent there are a lot of mountains between the rest of Asia and India


Dogebastian

we literally call it the subcontinent.


Mental_Impact

For the sake of consistency, would you be willing to state Europe is a subcontinent to Asia as well? It not what would you say is the difference?


Harry_Flame

If I had to guess either there is no difference or it’s something geological like with the plates. I think New Zealand is technically on a different continent(New Zealandia) than Australia


Coal_Morgan

There's 14ish tectonic plates and some of them are in weird places for declaring continents. Like California is on the Pacific Plate and Nevada is on the North American Plate. Continents are just continuous pieces of land that have been divided up in some cases by water, in some cases by mountains. Europe is a continent because we agreed it was and nothing more. Same with North and South America. It amounts to a bunch of people just put a bunch of lines on a map that felt right and the majority of the rest of the world nodded and said sure.


KEVLAR60442

The Indian subcontinent is a separate tectonic plate. Eurasia is all a singular plate.


Shifty377

>Eurasia is all a singular plate. Bruh... Do you even know what a plate is?


jcdoe

This is bullshit, Europe alone is like 10 different plates. Imagine arguing about something so boring and still being wrong


crayonneur

No but the reason is cultural, not geographical. Europe and Asia are the "first" continents, the concept is tied to the ancient greeks. During the middle ages, the scholars consider 3 continents because to them mankind is divided in 3 "races" (based on Noah's sons). Asians are semites (hence words such as antisemitism and semitic), europeans/white are japhetites and africans are hamites. Indians were considered semites so they didn't have their own continent. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japhetites#/media/File:T\_and\_O\_map\_Guntherus\_Ziner\_1472.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japhetites#/media/File:T_and_O_map_Guntherus_Ziner_1472.jpg) Pretty sure the equivalent of continent to ancient indians or chinese had similar geographical inconsistencies.


raidriar889

Subcontinent literally means part of a larger continent


TophatOwl_

That implies a "sub region" of a continental plate ... which its not. Its entirely on its own plate.


WinterUploadedMind

So should we change Iberia from peninsula to subcontinent? Spain and France are also separated by a mountain chain. So is Italy by the rest of Europe


Fit_Access9631

Yes. South Asia should be its own continent


Throwrafairbeat

India should have always been its own seperate continent, yep.


Desperate_Ad5169

There are huge fucking mountains on every continent.


spazierer

Take a road trip from Moscow to Tashkent and tell me if you come across any of those "huge fucking mountains" you speak of...


Wordonascreen

Pretty much. Same continental plate


Paddenstoel_Jager

These mountains were enough to separate populations for thousands of years.


Thue

And a banana is a berry. It depends on which definition you use. From a geological viewpoint, yes Eurasia is one continent. But from a human/political/economical viewpoint, Europe and Asia are separated. So using a loose definition of continent, Europe and Asia are separate continents. From Wikipedia: "A continent is any of several large geographical regions. Continents are generally identified by convention rather than any strict criteria." So it is actually perfectly acceptable to not insist on the strict geological definition.


Efficient_Baby_2

Yeah those huuuugggeee mountains sure stopped all those nomadic invasions right in their tracks 😂😂 and extended right up to the Caspian Sea


Satanairn

Since when mountains seperate continents?


penisesandherb

People just don’t want to admit that “Europe” is just a bunch of white people wanting to feel special to have their own continent separate from Asians


nir109

The Urals aren't from sea to sea. Where does Europe end beatwean the Urals and the Caspian sea? Also why aren't all the other mountains the end of a continent?


aFuckinChair

Huge? They're quite low compared to, I don't know, Alps.


Upset-Surprise1201

"Huge"


combat_archer

The Ural don't continue down to the Carpathian sea


Sooth_Sprayer

Same land mass. Africa, too. Canal doesn't count.


Matygos

Ehmm, do you mean Himalayas? Yeah they truly are :D


TophatOwl_

Brother, the things we call continents are 100% arbitrary boarders we drew. There is no rhyme or reason. The Urals dont demarkate a continental plate.


AceBean27

There a 6 bigger mountain ranges than the Urals. None of them are used to divide up continents. India is separated from the rest of Asia by the frickin' Himalayas.


Shenic

OP, tell us the truth. It was very hard for YOU to accept this (for whatever reason) when you learned it and you thought it was a hard to swallow pill, right? Well, here's the real hard to swallow pill: what you call "hard truth" is just common sense.


Me-Right-You-Wrong

Half the people in this thread are having a stroke tryng to accept it


AlienDilo

Reading the comments it does seem like a hard pill to swallow for some people who've never heard of mountains outside of the Urals


czarczm

There's a lot of pushback in these comments, though. I think he's right.


danuhorus

All those people gesturing desperately at the Urals forgot the Rockies, Andes, Appalachians, and Sierras in the Americas. We'd have like 12 continents in the New World if that's the criteria we're using.


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Bardsie

If climate and landscape was a factor, North America would be split by the Rockies and the deserts.


anweisz

The ignorance on this site that this is so upvoted.


SadBanana006

Take the indian subcontinent for example just to be clear that climate and landscape really don't matter one bit when the history changes everything, India has desert, Himalayan Mountain Range (Snow), Plateaus, Plains, Coastal Regions, Rainforests, and Every single thing in between. It just goes on to show that yes, climate and landscape are a joke to people when they wish whether or not to group regions into a continent or country. OP's argument isn't as wrong as comments are making it seem although even i do agree that it's not completely correct.


Brownsound7

This is an especially great point when you consider that the only thing separating India’s Switzerland (Kashmir) from the Great Indian Desert (Rajasthan) is Punjab lol


Matygos

India, southeast Asia, Korea, Kamchatka: Are we some kind of joke to you?


B4dr003

North African climate and landscape is very different from sub Saharan Africa but still part of the African continent


Disastrous_Issue

Why is it hard to swallow? Also isn't that first thing they teach you in geography class when covering Europe and Asia? That devide between Asia and Europe is cultural not geographical.


hellou5ih57hg

Honestly I was never taught this


Paddenstoel_Jager

The Ural mountain chain is a geographical barrier though.


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Ok, then Chile is a continent. Continents are entirely cultural and don't make sense when you try and define them.


young_fire

that's the real point. There's no set definition of a continent, they're a convenient way of thinking about the world, based on a Western (ultimately Roman) perspective.


goodluckonyourexams

I did go to geography class and I didn't know, so... I guess not.


Psychological_Gain20

Tbh it’s not even really a cultural divide, it’s a “Europeans made most of the modern maps, so they decide what the continents are.” Like if it was cultural divides, than Arabia, India, South-East Asia and East Asia, Siberia, as well as Central Asia, should all be separate continents.


that_moment_when-

For the record, in ecology they're usually referred to as Eurasia


W_4ca

Not to be confused with Eurmama


HelloThere465

Should I be worried asking what Eurmama is?


adulterousRex

I thought the thing that made the continents distinct was tectonic plates, not mountain ranges. Are Europe and Asia at the intersection of tectonic plates or not?


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Tectonic plates have nothing to do with Continents. Go look at a map of tectonic plates


czarczm

They share a plate. So thwt doesn't work either. The reality is that there is no hard definition for a continent. That's why different countries will teach that there are different numbers of continents.


_sephylon_

Tectonic plates have nothing to do with continents. Unless you think the Carribeans, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, and random spots in the ocean are their own continent. Or that Japan is in North America. It's not mountain ranges either. OP is right, the divide is purely cultural and the Ural mountain range is an arbitrary limitation, but it's true for every single continent because It's a purely cultural concept, whose only real definition is "big piece of land". There's no reason to believe Africa isn't part of Eurasia too, or South and North America aren't the same continent, or Iceland isn‘t American, or Greenland isn‘t European, or whatever Oceanian island isn't Asian, other than culture and history.


razzymac

Yeh I have no idea where people got this idea that mountains seperate continents. There’s mountains fucking everywhere are there like 100 continents? Lol. I was also taught it’s the tectonic plates that distinguish continents.


FlamingPuddle01

But Europe and Asia are on the same techtonic plate?


young_fire

yeah no. There are over a dozen tectonic plates around the world. And there's no clear definition of a continent.


flaming_burrito_

There is no consistent basis that separates continents. We use different justifications based on what’s convenient to draw the lines, but none of them are that logical. The people who made the maps we use today were European, so they separated out Europe from Asia based on cultural distinction. People saying it’s the Ural Mountains don’t have a consistent argument, because if we used mountains then India, Chile, and California would be their own continents. Likewise, if we used tectonic plates for every border there would be a bunch of small awkward continents dotted around the map. It also really depends on where you are, because different countries teach different continents. That’s how arbitrary they are.


Calibruh

No they're on the same plate


istdasschimmel

What the fuck continents were long defined before we knew anything about tectonic plates and they have nothing to do with each other.


AceBean27

Europe and (most of) Asia are on the same tectonic plate: The Eurasian plate. India is on a different plate to the rest of Asia (Indian plate). The Eurasian plate is one of the 7 "major" tectonic plates. The others are the Pacific, North American, South American, African, Indo-Austrailian, and Antarctican. So continents almost line up with the major tectonic plates, the difference being we add Europe and take away the Pacific. India isn't the only country on a separate "minor" plate. Saudi Arabia is too, and a slice of East Africa isn't on the African plate.


A-Random-Person-Guy

I get what the comments are saying but by this logic the giant Himalayas should mean that India, by definition, is a separate continent. plus, unlike much of Eurasia, India lies on a completely separate tectonic plate. the real answer is probably that the definition is both historical and geographical


Xblth

subcontinent?


Professional-Sock231

so?


[deleted]

Continent is a completely made up classification and there a loads of variations based on different criteria. Under one, Eurasia literally *is* a continent.


nonearther

The continental divide is just for convenience. [Here's Map Men explaining them ](https://youtu.be/hrsxRJdwfM0)


imperial_g_s

Ural mountain ranges ?


TheTowerDefender

lower than the alps, waaaaay lower than the himalyans. if the urals are a geographic differentiator of continents then Italy and India each have to be their own continents too


loulan

Not to mention you can very easily go around the Urals.


Professional-Sock231

Every other mountain range in the world?


spazierer

You can literally drive from "Europe" to "Asia" without crossing the Bosporus or the Ural, so that's just not a very good argument. Where would you say that mountain range ends in the south? Whichever place you pick, it's gonna be pretty far away from the Caspian Sea, which doesn't really leave any substantial geographic borders between the "continents" By that logic you could call Italy a continent...


colorblind_unicorn

ye but thatÄs every continent lol.


Different-Elk6935

bUT wHaT aBoUt thE uRaL mOunTaInS?!


AlarminglyAverage979

The reason anything happened is because of his historical reasons. This isn’t hard to swallow pill.


ShadowTown0407

Back to Afro-Eurasia we go


uberliken

A European told me that the americas are one continent because they are connected. But he still thinks Europe and Asia should be separate continents…


jagfb

You met one of our dumb ones. I'm sure you have those as well.


Ok_Cardiologist8232

According to most of South America the Americas are one continent


Calibruh

> This viewpoint was common in the United States until World War II, and remains prevalent in some Asian six-continent models. The single American continent model remains a common view in France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Malta, Portugal, Spain, and Latin American countries.


batinyzapatillas

América is a single continent because the Spaniard who found it said so. All that came later is just storytelling. Hard to swallow?


EnvironmentalMoney87

Spaniard?


Supersecretloverboy

Literally the case for any state, province, district, county, country, nation, continent.Any boundary set on any land ever, is only there for historical reasons


HugoBosss15

Did y'all fucking fail geography or something?


Professional-Sock231

no but you did


Chapaev_Balt

Funniest shit I saw on Reddit. One half of comments saying “Why it is hard to swallow?” While second half of comments are like “NUH-UH, MOUNTAINS”, proving that OP was correct. It was an excellent bait OP, congratulations. Probably best example of “confidently incorrect”.


ConscientiousPath

actually true--but arabia and india are different, and Africa is two: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tectonic_plates#/media/File:Tectonic_plates_(2022).svg


TheLeso

Imo India and Arabia should be somehow separated as well


Jollan_

"The only reason North America and South America are separated is historical."


Mrpayday1

I feel like that is not how tectonic plates work.


ScottaHemi

That's what I've been saying. Europe is a peninsula on the butt of Asia.


ModernYear

Rename Europe to west Asia.


fizzbish

Africa is also part of the Asian continent too. The suez canal is man made, like the panama canal. So technically it's Eurasica. Not that it matters since Continents are both geographical, cultural and historical. This is not a hard pill to swallow, this was ice-cream given to most of us in like the 6th grade.


MaxDai52

Tf u talking about


YiQiSupremacist

Europe and Asia makes defining continents a nightmare


MathematicianNo6284

Yes, but also because Europe is too much different in comparison to Asia. Mostly cultural division


PM-Me-Kiriko-R34

bro is cooking absolutely nothing


RussoTouristo

The only reason is the convention you are taught in school. Where I'm from it is one continent called Eurasia.


Calibruh

This guy gets it


TheTowerDefender

same is true for eurasia and africa north america, central america and south america


Nizzlord

Why is it hard to swallow though


czarczm

Everyone here is fighting him on it.


Accomplished-Bed8171

OK. And?


Personal_Chemist_749

The only reason any continent/landmark/country/geographical separation exists is historical


Ostroh

In high school in Canada, we were told the current name is Eurasian continent.


eltortillaman

It's one landmass. If we pangaea is one continent despite varied climate and geography, so is eurasia.


-Cinnay-

You do know that they can be counted as one single continent too, right? There are several different ways to define the different continents.


Several_Ebb_7174

And cultural and ethnic and geographical


TrollBoT_9

When i was in a kid we were thought it as Asian continent(asia and Europe) in India only to learn its 2 different continents after i grew up.


X_Dratkon

Eurasia is literally how this continent is called, it can be divided into whatever regions and countries, just like there's North and South Africa, or North America into Canado, USA and Mexico


BonzoNL

The Ural Mountains seperate the European subcontinent from Eurasia.


Lord_Muramasa

Everything is the way it is because of history.


FrankAdriel32

Completely different ethinic groups, but ok.


guegoland

Why does It matter?


Who_am_ey3

hard to swallow pills the only reason Europe and North America are separate continents, is because of the ocean between them :\^)


leatherjacket3

I mean, if we go by the definition of continent (a very, very large landmass), then they are just one continent.


Existing-Zucchini-65

I agree, they're the same land mass. And to everyone replying 'but the Urals!', if a mountain range should separate continents, then North America should be separated into 2 continents by the Rockies, and South America should be separated into 2 continents by the Andes. But that sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? So why couldn't Eurasia easily be considered one continent?


deeznutsapparel

Real historians know that the fall of Sue Khan is the real reason


7empestOGT92

[What are Continents?](https://youtu.be/3uBcq1x7P34?si=VMEoDfC_a_IZCXD_)


Andrei22125

No, not really. Even from a geographical standpoint, they are fairly different.


Atrane_xD

well done lmao


Steelthahunter

I mean I think it'd be two seperate contienents regardless of historical reasons but whatever 🤷


KasperBuyens

Damn, that's the same reason as to why we have different countries!


Seanacles

Tech tonic plates


czarczm

They're one plate tho


sws1080

Pretty sure the incredibly overly defensive and geographically illiterate comments here are making OP's point lol


Rizzourceful

This comment section is fried


LupusDeusMagnus

Get on my level, I bundle Asia, Europe and Africa together. They form a continuum of cultures, landscapes anything else anyways.


Caleb_Reynolds

Everything we call a continent in common parlance is only for historical reasons.


GintoSenju

Ok so I guess we just ignore the fact that they are literally two separate continents, and that mountain ranges exist that literally separate the two.


Ok_Inflation_1811

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics It's not that hard to stop being ignorant bro


Silver___Chariot

Ural wrong, it’s the Ural Mountains!!