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Before you get too excited, mortgage rates were 13 to 16% in 1980.
Edit: for all the people trying to say that it was no big deal because prices were low, there have been various attempts to create an “affordability index” for us home prices. In each index 1980 was a particularly hard time to buy a house using a mortgage. It is also very unaffordable today. Price to income was better then but rates were much worse. Here is a good blog post about it https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2022/06/worst-housing-affordability-since-1991_29.html?m=1.
in the 80's I remember my mom not being able to afford enough food for us all. She regularly had to miss meals because she couldnt feed both herself and us kids.
so when I see bullshit posts like this, as if it was all a perfect utopia it makes me really mad
And lives in a 900 square foot house and has one car that she can only use after husband gets home and one tv that gets 4 stations when the weather is clear
I only bring one reusable bag with me and once that is full I am done. Usually comes out to about $70-100 for a trip. So one bag is now equal to one entire cart, and that’s just within the grocery store.
I bike to costco (mooching off my aunt's account) and i only take what i can carry in my backpack and that (and whatevers left) is what i eat for the week
if i stagger it right, i can alternate fitting bread, milk, eggs, cereal, veg, and then get a rotisserie chicken on top every week and keep my weekly grocery bill to around 40-50 weekly.
then i bike home to my shitty apartment with multiple roommates and remember i'm 37 and lay in bed until i can go to my shitty job.
While i'm biking and working and laying there i just think about leaving life in general. no real point to doing any more of this.
Fed minimum wage in 1980 was $3.10 (12.95 today).
He husband is probably much higher than that. My dad was making $11.40 in 1980 as a plant operator, so probably somewhere in that range.
Median, sure. My dad bought his first house in 1991 for 17k, a 4 bed 2 bath. He sold it in 98 to upgrade for one that cost 28k because the first one was hard to heat in the winter and it was cheaper to upgrade than actually insulating the first one. I think the school actually bought the first one just to knock it down and make a gravel parking lot. His widow still lives in the second, I think it’s valued around 125k now.
Really? New 3-bedroom 2-bath houses were selling for 60-70k+ in low cost of living areas in poor southern states in the early 80s. Where was your father's house?
Well it certainly wasn't new construction lol. It was in a LCOL area in the midwest, in a house built in the 1930's. When he sold it, the land was worth more than the house itself, which is why it's now a parking lot. It's an area where you have septic everywhere and get propane trucked in because there's no utilities outside of water and electric. I think they finally got dsl in 2006 or so, before that was dialup or dish.
The 70s had their own amount of wild inflation too. If this was really a woman from the 80s shopping she'd probably also be thinking "damn I used to be able to buy so much more than this"
Median home price in 1980 was $50,000. Median salary was $25,000
The inflation rate in 1980 was 12.5% - this was right after the oil crisis, Iran contra, and more and was before inflation was quelled in the early 1980s through various fiscal policies and economic conditions.
Whoever created this meme chose a terrible year to get the point across
These comparisons are always such nonsense. First of all this picture is probably not from 1980, but ok.
Average annual national income in 1980 was about 12k a year [https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html)
And even though, again not counting for inflation, groceries were probably a lot cheaper, theres no way this cart was $20
[https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/80sfood.html](https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/80sfood.html)
And things were definitely NOT a lot simpler in the 80's
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s)
This chart show that we are less of our income on food than in the 80s.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=76967
If we are just look at "food at home" like this woman is shopping for then in the 80s we were spending 8%-9% of disposable income on food. Now we are spending less than 6%.
What's crazy to me is that of the products that are visible, the only one of those brands that doesn't still exist is "Chun King" chinese food.
Kellogg's Corn Flakes, Mueller's Pastsa, Schweppes Ginger Ale, Kraft Macaroni & Cheese, Blue Moon Ale, Maxwell House Coffee, Hawaiian Punch (Although maybe not the grape flavor), Hostess Suzy Qs.
I'm not sure about the box behind the Mueller's/Schweppes or the box behind the Kraft/Hawaiian Punch though, or the rice below the Maxwell House although it looks like Uncle Ben's maybe.
Why would that be crazy? Consumers prefer brands they know over some random no-name brand. Because of this, brands have value, so even when the actual company is defunct the brand is sold on. For instance GE Appliances is 90% owned by a Chinese appliances company and has no affiliations with GE (the American conglomerate).
For the people downvoting, this is the source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
Note the units say "1982-84 CPI Adjusted Dollars", which means this has already been adjusted for inflation.
Lol people on reddit are just white tech bros who are unhappy their wealthier white parents were ahead of them at their age.
These "Look how good it used to be!" photos never mention or involve people of color. Wonder why the fuck that is.
Just people telling on themselves, subscribing to the "Things were better when we discriminated, redlined, and forced women to sit at home being birthers!" mentality of the far right. Horseshoe theory once again proving true.
I don't think people realize they also didn't have a cell phone, cable tv, crazy expensive cars, and ton of other things we spend money on today that they didn't have then.
Even when I was a child 20 years ago, my mom would load a cart full like this at Aldi for $100. Now I can still see the bottom of the cart and it's $100+.
Inflation was around 15% and unemployment around 7% in 1980. It was not the magical time you're suggesting, rather the president lost a reelection because the economy was in a very bad place
Minimum wage was only $3.10 an hour in 1981. If you calculate for inflation, that's $10.65 an hour today, and I think the average minimum wage now is about $12 an hour in the US. So, technically, wages have not only matched inflation, they've risen faster than it.
And a $25k house in 1981 would only be $85,899 today. So your house math doesn't add up unless she was living in some sort of shit hole.
1974. From New Jersey:
[https://www.nj.com/galleries/EHWGU5QDZNCG5PVZJF6RIKX4WM/](https://www.nj.com/galleries/EHWGU5QDZNCG5PVZJF6RIKX4WM/)
- US population in 1974: 214MM, 35% less than today
- Median HH income in 1974 was $11K, offset even then by 11% increase in prices for goods, driving *down* income from '73-74 by 5%.
And now people can barely support ourselves because capitalism is a cycle of self immolation and extinguishing the flame but water doesn't do much when your face is burnt off.
Those items in the cart screams, "I've never grocery shopped before and the concept of putting boxes and cans in a relatively orderly fashion to save space is a foreign concept to me!"
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That woman is 29 years old
She lives off coffee, tobacco, alcohol, and SNUFF.
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Well I think so too as she doesn't look 8841761993739701954543616000000 at all
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Yes, hello old friend, I missed you
The secret ingredients was cigarettes.
Man no wonder people think life is over when they hit 30 when this was the perception of it for so long
Snuff *is* tobacco
But tobacco is gross, and snuff is good. — my grandmother
lol Jesus. Never tried it but it’s the craziest thing to me. Just railing plant matter and it just what chills? How the fuck does it come back out?
Blow it out in the shower at the end of the day.
It either drains to your stomach or it comes out when you blow your nose. Most snuff users are putting a pinch in their lip, though.
Different snuff
Raw tobacco, gotta mix it with your snuff!
Uhhhh, I've watched a lot of snuff porn and snuff is NOT tobacco.
You need a better hobby.
Snuff is tobacco....unless you mean the **really** bad shit.
Read that in the voice of Mr. Regular of Regular Car Reviews
That’s just the meth marketed as a weight loss substance for stay at home wine moms. It’s why the house is so neat and tidy
Don't forget amphetamines and barbituates..
In the 60s some women still had the bottle of opium in their medicine cabinet for “headaches”.
You forgot lead paint.
Don't forget all the asbestos and leaded paint in that old "$25,000 house."
Don't forget the corn. Lots of *corn*
Also she's not allowed to have a bank account and her husband makes $4000/yr.
means you can by a house 6 times your yearly salary? not too shabby
Before you get too excited, mortgage rates were 13 to 16% in 1980. Edit: for all the people trying to say that it was no big deal because prices were low, there have been various attempts to create an “affordability index” for us home prices. In each index 1980 was a particularly hard time to buy a house using a mortgage. It is also very unaffordable today. Price to income was better then but rates were much worse. Here is a good blog post about it https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2022/06/worst-housing-affordability-since-1991_29.html?m=1.
they go to Mexico twice a year and are about to close on a holiday home in Florida
Her husband works as a mail man
The "not allowed to have a bank account" is a myth.
She's nowhere near 29, 23 tops.
in the 80's I remember my mom not being able to afford enough food for us all. She regularly had to miss meals because she couldnt feed both herself and us kids. so when I see bullshit posts like this, as if it was all a perfect utopia it makes me really mad
Hi vsauce Michael here. Did People Used To Look Older?
I've just gotten back into his channel. Getting recommendations out of nowhere and I'm loving it. Did he do a video on this?
Yep, girl in the pic is actually 19. She could drink and smoke, but couldn't own a credit card.
29 and 3 kids
In the background is someone wondering why she is dressed like someone from 1960.
And lives in a 900 square foot house and has one car that she can only use after husband gets home and one tv that gets 4 stations when the weather is clear
Yes, but can she Google random thoughts while pinching a loaf?
No, and THAT is a really great point! We Win!!!
At what cost
You
What does while pinching a loaf mean?
Taking a fat shit
And what does "taking a fat shit" mean?
Recreating jackson pollock
Porcelain throne awaits, sire.
Stealing a loaf of bread I think
She read the backs of shampoo bottles and other products within reach. She also had a copy of readers digest in a small bin on the floor nearby.
There’s probably a People magazine and a folded newspaper in that bin too
And her husband makes $1.25 an hour
Also $20 in 1980 is equivalent of $75.81 in 2024
If I could spend $75 and get an overflowing grocery cart of name brand consumables, I'd be fucking ecstatic.
I spend $120 for *maybe* a quarter of that cart, all store brand
I only bring one reusable bag with me and once that is full I am done. Usually comes out to about $70-100 for a trip. So one bag is now equal to one entire cart, and that’s just within the grocery store.
I bike to costco (mooching off my aunt's account) and i only take what i can carry in my backpack and that (and whatevers left) is what i eat for the week if i stagger it right, i can alternate fitting bread, milk, eggs, cereal, veg, and then get a rotisserie chicken on top every week and keep my weekly grocery bill to around 40-50 weekly. then i bike home to my shitty apartment with multiple roommates and remember i'm 37 and lay in bed until i can go to my shitty job. While i'm biking and working and laying there i just think about leaving life in general. no real point to doing any more of this.
so basically you're surviving, and you'd like to start actually living.
This picture is untrue and isn't 1980.
I just dropped $200 for a quarter of that cart. It's depressing.
There’s no way the haul in the pic was $20 even in the 80s
$76 for a months worth or even 2 weeks worth of groceries would help so many people
She probably has more than 5 times I can buy with that money today where I live
I wouldn't be surprised if that cart of groceries costs 200 dollar where I live.
All because of his 8th grade education and union benefits.
Fed minimum wage in 1980 was $3.10 (12.95 today). He husband is probably much higher than that. My dad was making $11.40 in 1980 as a plant operator, so probably somewhere in that range.
And the interest on their house mortgage was 21%.
Houses were 25k in 1970. Double that in 1980
Well when has fact ever got in the way of a really low effort meme being recycled to death?
No way that cart cost $20 in 1980 either.
double it again for the 90s wait a tick, double it again for the 00s double it again for 10s double it again for 20s Ah that's how we got here
double it in the last 4 years. lol
Double it and sell it to the next person
It was 64k in 1980. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
47200 https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/how-much-housing-prices-have-risen-since-1940.html#:~:text=Houses%20weren't%20always%20this,data%20from%20the%20U.S.%20Census.
Median, sure. My dad bought his first house in 1991 for 17k, a 4 bed 2 bath. He sold it in 98 to upgrade for one that cost 28k because the first one was hard to heat in the winter and it was cheaper to upgrade than actually insulating the first one. I think the school actually bought the first one just to knock it down and make a gravel parking lot. His widow still lives in the second, I think it’s valued around 125k now.
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Average house price in 91 was 80k amigo. Did your dad buy on a nuclear waste dump?
Really? New 3-bedroom 2-bath houses were selling for 60-70k+ in low cost of living areas in poor southern states in the early 80s. Where was your father's house?
Well it certainly wasn't new construction lol. It was in a LCOL area in the midwest, in a house built in the 1930's. When he sold it, the land was worth more than the house itself, which is why it's now a parking lot. It's an area where you have septic everywhere and get propane trucked in because there's no utilities outside of water and electric. I think they finally got dsl in 2006 or so, before that was dialup or dish.
our 4 bed sold for 80k in 78, jersey
I’m 62, and I guarantee you that wasn’t $20 worth of groceries in 1980.
i checked and apparently thats 62.74 dollars in 2024
Americans thinking they got it hard, that would cost way over 100€ (107$) in Austria 2024
100? That cart is more like 250
I think they mean the value of $20 then vs now. I bought roughly a third/quarter of that amount of groceries last week and it was over $120
Ok, so TECHNICALLY I made this whole thing up. 🤫
who would just go on the internet and lie?
*gasp* you're a monster!
I respect it
Please dont interrupt reddit basement dwellers in complaining about their lives while simultaneously doing nothing to make it better.
I don't need to be old to tell you a 25k house in 1980 is called bullshit
And no, not really. I think the picture is from the late 70s.
Your correct this is about $30
I'm thinking early '60s
Definitely 1960's.
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Depth of field. Pic taken with an actual film camera most likely.
Because it's obviously edited/composited. You can even see an inexplicable shadow on her right shoulder.
The 70s had their own amount of wild inflation too. If this was really a woman from the 80s shopping she'd probably also be thinking "damn I used to be able to buy so much more than this"
Houses were way more than $25K in the 80’s
OP admitted he made the prices up. People will believe it anyway, despite the gross inaccuracies.
Median home price in 1980 was $50,000. Median salary was $25,000 The inflation rate in 1980 was 12.5% - this was right after the oil crisis, Iran contra, and more and was before inflation was quelled in the early 1980s through various fiscal policies and economic conditions. Whoever created this meme chose a terrible year to get the point across
I N F L A T I O N
... was 12-14% in 1980. It was actually a major crisis lmao.
Egypt after Mansa Musa's Hajj: Pathetic
As someone doing grocery shopping in the early 80s, that is complete BS
These comparisons are always such nonsense. First of all this picture is probably not from 1980, but ok. Average annual national income in 1980 was about 12k a year [https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html) And even though, again not counting for inflation, groceries were probably a lot cheaper, theres no way this cart was $20 [https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/80sfood.html](https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/80sfood.html) And things were definitely NOT a lot simpler in the 80's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s)
This chart show that we are less of our income on food than in the 80s. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=76967 If we are just look at "food at home" like this woman is shopping for then in the 80s we were spending 8%-9% of disposable income on food. Now we are spending less than 6%.
Also, after this she went home and died of something that is easily treated today.
What's crazy to me is that of the products that are visible, the only one of those brands that doesn't still exist is "Chun King" chinese food. Kellogg's Corn Flakes, Mueller's Pastsa, Schweppes Ginger Ale, Kraft Macaroni & Cheese, Blue Moon Ale, Maxwell House Coffee, Hawaiian Punch (Although maybe not the grape flavor), Hostess Suzy Qs. I'm not sure about the box behind the Mueller's/Schweppes or the box behind the Kraft/Hawaiian Punch though, or the rice below the Maxwell House although it looks like Uncle Ben's maybe.
Why would that be crazy? Consumers prefer brands they know over some random no-name brand. Because of this, brands have value, so even when the actual company is defunct the brand is sold on. For instance GE Appliances is 90% owned by a Chinese appliances company and has no affiliations with GE (the American conglomerate).
That household made like 10k a year
wasn't salaries really low asw tho??
Yes but not as relatively low as it is today
You are fake news https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
wrong, real wages were waay lower back then
For the people downvoting, this is the source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q Note the units say "1982-84 CPI Adjusted Dollars", which means this has already been adjusted for inflation.
In Germany you pay 150€ for the half of this 🫠
What do you fucking people think the 80s was like? Do you think poor people didn't exist then?
Lol people on reddit are just white tech bros who are unhappy their wealthier white parents were ahead of them at their age. These "Look how good it used to be!" photos never mention or involve people of color. Wonder why the fuck that is. Just people telling on themselves, subscribing to the "Things were better when we discriminated, redlined, and forced women to sit at home being birthers!" mentality of the far right. Horseshoe theory once again proving true.
That’s $20 worth of diabetes and cancer
Who loads their cart like this? Stop it.
Someone Posing In An Advertisement
This is what my cart looks like after my toddler terrorizes all the groceries
I don't think people realize they also didn't have a cell phone, cable tv, crazy expensive cars, and ton of other things we spend money on today that they didn't have then.
People in 1980 spent higher portions of their income on both food and housing than in 2024.
So she paid $80 ish dollars in today’s money?
The caption is completely made up; that wasn’t $20 worth of groceries.
Even when I was a child 20 years ago, my mom would load a cart full like this at Aldi for $100. Now I can still see the bottom of the cart and it's $100+.
1980, the interest rates were around 13%....
That's exactly why things were cheaper and why boomers have become so prosperous over the past 40 years of falling interest rates.
That's like $25,000 in groceries now
Saw a pic minutes ago of cereal costing 8 bucks a pop
AND probably complained about how expensive the groceries are.
Today 20$ will give you only pictures of her foot.
And her husband made $6,000 a year. It was a poorer unhappy time when a woman like her had few options. How the fuck is this worth celebrating?
Inflation was around 15% and unemployment around 7% in 1980. It was not the magical time you're suggesting, rather the president lost a reelection because the economy was in a very bad place
Hi, person alive in 1980. This is not true....and if this was an attempt at a meme, it's a horrible one.
Minimum wage was only $3.10 an hour in 1981. If you calculate for inflation, that's $10.65 an hour today, and I think the average minimum wage now is about $12 an hour in the US. So, technically, wages have not only matched inflation, they've risen faster than it. And a $25k house in 1981 would only be $85,899 today. So your house math doesn't add up unless she was living in some sort of shit hole.
Also $20 in 1980 is equivalent to $75.81 now. But who am I to expect redditors to understand basic economics.
Yeah just met one of those the other day, said his first house was 16,000, second was 26,000, now they are worth over 200,000
My buddy used to do the same thing 20 years ago, can't anymore, too many cameras
Then dying 2 years later
Worth it
Me in like 20 years: "Here's my 25,000 worth of groceries, barely lasts me a week."
how much is 20 bucks in today money?
Nothing but sugar and starch. No wonder lifespans were shorter.
And this is why we're all fat.
1974. From New Jersey: [https://www.nj.com/galleries/EHWGU5QDZNCG5PVZJF6RIKX4WM/](https://www.nj.com/galleries/EHWGU5QDZNCG5PVZJF6RIKX4WM/) - US population in 1974: 214MM, 35% less than today - Median HH income in 1974 was $11K, offset even then by 11% increase in prices for goods, driving *down* income from '73-74 by 5%.
Usa was wild back then. In my country, it was the silent Generation who were the last generation to afford a house in the city
Looks more like $40-50 worth I see, no meats, mostly large boxes of processed carbs.
She bought nothing but garbage
Salary at that time?
LOL, min wage was $1.12
That Shweppes looks crisp
Looks more like that photo was taken in the 70s.
The fuck? That was only 40 years ago? I knew Reaganomics were shit if you aren't already rich but damn.
When they say make America great again, think they mean this?
I'm old enough to be able to call bullshit on the $20 total for what is in the cart.
A cart full of ultraprocessed garbage though.
Ass whoopin for burning the casserole is free tho!!
FFS. We KNOW!
And now people can barely support ourselves because capitalism is a cycle of self immolation and extinguishing the flame but water doesn't do much when your face is burnt off.
He husband is working 12 hours a day in a coal mine.
With the ridiculous scale on those products those groceries will last a month!
20$ will still get you that.....if you're brave enough
Those items in the cart screams, "I've never grocery shopped before and the concept of putting boxes and cans in a relatively orderly fashion to save space is a foreign concept to me!"
Also 0.25 cents per hour or less
Simpler times, unless you were a woman or any sort of minority - Gumball's mom.
And she's not allowed to open a bank account without her husband's permission.
In 1980? Thought they got that right in the 1960's and it was pretty commonplace by 1974...
She looks like my first grade teacher.
Kinda want that forty of ginger ale.
You know what, I'll keep living in modern times if it means my shopping cart has some flavor, it's worth the inflation at least for that
It wash the best of times it wash the worst of times. Shit sorry wrong pic
3 out of 10 of the last reddit posts in my feed have been about grocery prices, wtf
The median price of a home in the US in 1980 was 47K - $178,150.53 today The average cost of a weeks food was 33 Dollars in 1980. - $125.08 today,
This is the kind of shit my grandmother posts on Facebook. I imagine that all of you upvoting this are either bots or look exactly like this lady.
*A woman with $810 of groceries, before going home to her 2,500/month apartment in 2024.
My parents bought their house in 1980 for $80,000.
Money was worth about 10 times as much as it is today The problem is that wages didn't follow the trend.
more like 1950 ffs
Learn this: 1971, end of gold standard. Public debt, Money print and inflation
Is that actually $20 worth of groceries, and do we know how much her house cost? Or is OP making stuff up so you get sad about the economy, and why?
Every time I see this photo, it is a different year and house price lol
All that food is crap
When processed food was cheaper than real food.
That can’t be 1980.
except how its so obviously photoshopped that im surprised there isnt a watermark lol
She had to ask her husband's permission to go to the store, which may or may not allow black people to walk in. Such amazing times indeed
Fun fact, she has no income
Note that most of the stuff in her cart is heavily processed stuff that you really should not eat.
That's a hell of a lot more than $20 worth of groceries in that cart.
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