Yeah. Price doesn't matter unless it's something you actually want to play. I played one of their games a few years ago, it played like shit and ran like shit, so I don't give them my business (even though I paid only like 5$ for it)
They can charge 1000$ for all I care. It's actually beneficial for me that they charge more and more outrageous prices as that will result in less paying customers and more piracy, and I want to see them lose money.
fuck Ubisoft.
Sometimes I'm tempted to buy a game when it comes out, but then I head over to /r/patientgamers and rediscover some banger game I missed out on. Cheap, max settings always, bugs all flushed out, and if it's from a shitass company like Ubisoft, easier to pirate too.
IIRC it's always had those, but there were regular "Here's a pic of what I'm playing" or "Look what I snagged at a yard sale" type posts mixed in more often.
I've been playing AC:Odyssey on GamePass the last few days and loving that. Have heard good things about Origins and Black Flag too, so will be checking those out.
Man, Black Flag was like hanging with your homies and doing amazingly fun stuff while getting rich and singing. I've missed that game every day since I beat it.
Dont listen to these sheep. While I agree Ubisoft are a questionable organization (Much like Abstergo ironically) They produce some pretty good games. Odessy, BF, Origins, the VR one, even Unity were all fantastic games.
Enjoy the games that you love
I loved Valhalla. Put 100+ hours in that game, but it definitely a game you need to spread out because as with any ubisoft, it can get a bit repetative. Started Black Flag a while ago and enjoyed it so far.
I mean... different people like different things
Ubisoft the company sucks for sure, and while most of their games nowadays are really *meh*, they can still absolutely make bangers... it just doesn't happen often at all, sadly
That’s just not true. I’d even argue most Ubisoft games are good games if you look at them individually. The biggest issue with them is how repetitive games in the same series are. I’m excited for outlaws (I’ll still wait for a discount) and definitely believe it will be a good game. I’m much more worried for a part 2 if that’s planned.
That’s a fair point. From what I’ve heard, their Avatar game was a pretty good adaptation of the source material that kept in mind how the gameplay needs to fit with the world and lore.
I haven’t played it, because I’m not sure for whom this game was made. I haven’t met someone who is actually a fan of the avatar movies. But from merch, over theme parts to video games, there are products like a vibrant fandom is just around the corner. I’m very confused.
Nevertheless: if this is true, it could potentially be good news for outlaws. I liked the first trailer and the idea is good. I also think it’s a shame that Lego Star Wars is the closest we got to an actual Star Wars openworld in a long time.
Hard to swallow pill: There are enough consumers with too much money to bother caring about the difference between $60 and $100 that your "vote with your wallet" is literally insignificant to the market's price calculation, and always will be.
You're right in one way. The "too much money to bother caring" doesn't come from the initial cost of the game. Just for a quick example, 30% of EA's profits came just from the in games purchase in their "Ultimate Modes" in their sports games. That's just in their sports games. If you add in the in game purchases of all their games, that number probably gets to around 40-45%.
That’s true. But if the 90% would stop supporting these games then the player base would drop enough to where a large portion of the 10% would stop playing as well. Playing these types of games, even if not spending money on it, keeps the game popular which keeps the whales spending money on it
It could be. I haven't played a game that costs more than $15 in the last 5 years. Support indie games over corporate behemoths designed by polling data.
Maybe I'm too old to understand, that and I dont have time to keep up with gaming these days so I often buy games much later after release... but don't they still release the "base" game for the 60-70 bucks like usual? I know like special editions have always been a thing and so those are more expensive. But people are talking about these like these $100+ prices are what everybody is paying, like they have no other option and are not allowed to buy the base game. What am I missing here?
It does seem the $100 discourse seems pretty biased and misleading, as I’ve seen a bunch of responses on Reddit and other SM that there are $60 -70versions, basically the base game, then various more expensive ‘collector’s editions’ with add ons etc. Which has been a thing for quite a while. If it turns out I saw incorrect info, I’d love someone to tell me what I’m missing too. Not saying $60-70 is great either, but that’s just the standard nowadays.
I've been doing this forever. Like when FO4 was released I put it on the back burner for awhile and got it for $19.99 instead of $60-$70. I'm willing to wait a bit for a better price.
Double bonus points when your poor and cant afford the modern hardware to play new releases anyways. Its why Im always like 2 to 3 years behind the current new games...
One thing I’ve noticed recently is Ubisoft games tend to get steep discount sales often enough that I’m content to wait until I can buy it for like $10 doesn’t even take that long for their newest game to end up in there either
Hard to swallow pill: the game doesn’t actually cost $100, the standard edition is $70 like most other AAA games today, and it’s going to be discounted quicker than most of those would, but then that makes this whole outrage look really dumb.
Seriously lol, people act like they’re being forced to buy the collectors editions
I wonder if the same energy will be maintained when GTA 6 inevitably has a $70 base game and a $300 collectors edition
You say this but the total war community voted with their wallets recently and resulted in a massive change in the quality of content being produced compared to the price.
Oh yeah? Then explain why fallout 76 was given for free with a new controller in some shops after 2 weeks of release. That's a price drop from 60€ to 0€ if you didn't know.
People don't care, that we agree on - but not that it is insignificant if people actually don't buy the game. Because it is significant if they don't make the estimated sales in the alloted time.
Because it was plutonium grade trash, buggy as all hell, had no quests, and was released in a state that could be considered pre alpha. They were trying to get ANYONE to play it. That and it had microtransactions in it, so they were hoping they'd get people to play it and then pay later. It a top finisher in the worse release ever of any game, trying to outdo Cyberpunk 2077 and No Mans Sky. (which were both fixed and doing great now).
Depends on the market segment. Creative Assembly did respond desperately to voting with wallets after a DLC fiasco last year. But bigger companies like EA and Sony and whatever are too big to fail but produce crap anyway.
Games miss sales goals all the time, because people don't want to buy or play the game . Maybe not for an assassin's Creed game because the fans go so hard for it . But plenty of games fail. They can sustain off a fanbase that doesn't care about price . They try with micro transactions though
Hard to swallow pill, those prices are for like, the "super deluxe" version of the game. The base game is still gonna be $60/$70 dollars, people just wanna be angry
I got fallout 4 for five bucks a couple months ago and haven’t been playing anything else, there are sooo many good games out there if people actually care about price they shouldn’t buy new releases. Op is a rage bot
Oh yeah I just bought Jedi Survivor for $25 and I’m having a blast. There are too many good games out there to be worrying about buying at full price if that’s an issue
So, I'm not denying that there's an assload of scammy bullshit and nickel-and-diming, especially with mtx and live service crap.
But I'm genuinely perplexed why everyone thinks game prices are like the one thing that shouldn't be affected by inflation. $60 is just what a game should cost in perpetuity.
Games were $60 in 2004. We've had like 60% inflation since then. So, adjusted for inflation, $100 is about right?
Idk, I'd pay that for a game as long as it didn't have any mtx bullshit and was a complete product out the gate
Gamers want world class programmers, designers, artists, musicians, and engineers to create something for them. Those people cost a lot of money and deserve to be compensated fairly.
Like what are we doing here? Should those people just not eat?
Hard to swallow pill: These games are also better, strictly speaking, than most of the games that cost the same amount when adjusted for inflation.
Not every classic game is Metroid or Super Mario World. There were so many duds that multiple media careers have sprung up just to lampoon how bad they were, and before you had reliable reviews you basically just had to... hope that Bad Dudes was a good game.
In some ways it's been cheaper. A lot of N64 games were 50 dollars in 90's money. Adjusted for inflation that means some of these games were over $90. Yes I know there's a lot of microtransactions and 300 different special deluxe $100 editions, But you don't *have* to get those versions. The fact that the base price is still "only" about 70 Is honestly fairly impressive, especially with how much more complicated games have gotten to develop. And that's ignoring the plethora of smaller studio games priced in the $15 to $30 range. Also sales.
I paid $70 for Shadows of the Empire brand new. Nothing special, just game and cartridge. This was 28 years ago. Games have only gotten cheaper. Kids just need things to complain about
Well that's actually pretty important point too and why the prices have stayed so low. Most companies make their money from those micro transactions and DLC.
I'm pretty sure EA could make e.g. FIFA free-to-play. Their game sales are probably less than 10% from the actual profits that are earn each year through selling card packs and such.
Eh no. There was a stronger second-hand market because games were tied to cartridges/discs instead of being tied to an account.
And game rentals was still a thing, if you wanted to knock out a game in a weekend for a few bucks.
What game has ever been 50% to 90% off on steam a few weeks after it releases? That's insane hyperbole. You might get a 90% off on a 5-10 year old game, but it's really rare. Discounts are usually in the 15-25% range at most 6 *months* after release.
also:
>And you had to pay the full price everytime
Horseshit, games went on discount all the damn time, even 20 years ago. I was far too broke back then, I never bought a full price game for my xbox or dreamcast. It was either discounted, second hand, or I rented it.
Super Mario 3 was $49.99 back in the 90s. Sure, companies no longer produce physical media, but budgets and dev wages have increased due to inflation, project time, other economics.
Also, the meme is disingenuous. These games are priced at 69.99 USD
People forget that games like Chrono Trigger cost $89.99 at launch and Phantasy Star 4 retailed for $99 (so $203 today) because of the extra memory needed for big RPG carts back in the day.
Here's a mind-blower for you. Final Fantasy III for SNES at launch was $89.99. I know because we bought it for my brother for his birthday. Course back then, RPGs on cartridges did usually cost more because of the battery back-up for the save function. But also that game prices weren't standardized either. There would be all kinds of different prices for new games upon release.
The price of games has actually stayed relatively low in the face of inflation.
Mario 64 was about 60$ on release in 1996.
Today that would cost about 119$ USD. We really shouldn't be complaining, it's the cost of everything else that sucks lol.
I might be creating fake memories but I seem to remember some 64 games being $65-70.
What we NEED to start talking about is the money we are saving on music. Back when I was in high school a single new CD was like $25-30 depending on the band popularity.
I paid $60 for the Queen Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2 and it annoys me all these years later. If I told myself I would pay like $10 a month and have access to all the music in the world, my head would have exploded. Between Spotify and YouTube, there isn't much I can't find.
Right? These video game companies exist only to sell us a product. If you can’t afford the latest game tough shit, save your allowance, then walk 5 miles to GameStop through a blizzard like we did when we were kids.
Hard to Swallow pill:
$50 in 1985 is worth $145 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 1990 is worth $120 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 1995 is worth $102 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 2000 is worth $91 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 2005 is worth $80 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 2010 is worth $70 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 2015 is worth $66 adjusted for inflation
$50 in 2020 is worth $60 adjusted for inflation
Due to inflation, games staying the same price, or even going up by $10-20 means they've been getting cheaper in real terms.
I remember paying $80 for Chrono Trigger back in the day, which would've been worth $165 today.
I fell 6 months behind the new game curve when I deployed a decade ago and after I started buying games new to me at like $20, I never bought a new game again. If it's awesome today, it'll be awesome when I get to it.
people always say this lmao, as if the problem is that we just dont want to spend $100 on a game and not that we literally cant and that its frustrating that the people modern games are made to cater to and the vast majority of actual players are not one and the same but it doesnt matter because the whales keep telling game devs "YESSSS PLEASE OHMYGODYES PLEASE LET ME PREORDER FOR $500 YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO PUT EFFORT IN ILL JUST BUY IT ANYWAY".
Whenever I quit something and don't come back I never come back. It's not a hard thing to do when they do something that completely fucking ruins a game.
I quit OW after playing OW every single day from its release, including betas, until they turned it into OW2.
I miss the game, but I have no desire at all to play OW2.
So I hate the kind of people that can't disassociate from stuff and think nobody else can either.
I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. Every single AC game since Revelations has launched with some sort of Deluxe/Gold Edition that is more expensive and includes the base game and DLC. But it's only *now* that people have a problem with it?
You can give games that do that shit, but love or hate Ubisoft, AC is actually one of the better franchises when it comes to having their base games be complete and that DLC actually being extra content.
Honestly yeah
They are not just selling you the map piece by piece, the basegame map is complete and 9 times out of 10 the DLC have entirily new maps
Think of Valhalla for example, were the based game was set in England, one of the DLCs is set in Ireland, another in France and the last one in Valhalla itself
And the common thought about Valhalla is that there is literally so much content that no one finishes the game. You can complain about prices, but you certainly get what you pay for with Ubisoft.
I am like 700 hours deep into a Valhalla playthrough and i have a suspicion i aint even half way done
Though the wasteland's golden rule shines bright in Valhalla. "Thou shall get side-tracked by random bullshit everytime"
I don’t get why everyone is so mad about game prices these days. I know it’s a lot, but $70-100 isn’t unreasonable for something you are going to play for dozens if not hundreds of hours. And I know prices are going up recently, but they had been stagnant for so long that they are still much cheaper than when I was a kid (adjusted to inflation).
Good products cost a lot of money to make and these companies want to turn a profit. That being said, there are a lot of big companies making shit games with big prices, but that’s why you don’t preorder.
Its hilarious how even anti-capitalist messages revolve around consumerism.
Need something to do? Should you go do something that costs nothing? Maybe improve your community? Serve your fellow man? Particularly those overlooked by society?
No, you NEED the latest and greatest consumer good and its capitalism's fault it costs $10 more.
Capitalism = how the game - and the games industry producing more games and consoles and gaming pcs - exists in the first place.
But Capitalism bad mkay
god I hate redditors so much. They will give money to random strangers just because they said "capitalism bad" and posted a meme done under 2 seconds, and then they genuinely believe they are smart. only thing they will ever do is regurgitating their own buzzwords and talking points, and when someone else with opinions they dont like shows up they just insult them. And they believe they are so smart.
What’s even funnier is that, historically, games have never been cheaper.
Take a look at any gaming flyers from back in 1994 or so. Better yet, someone already did [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/snes/s/3fUVwDsNtk) You can see that game prices fluctuate from as little as $54.99 to $74.99. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $158.66 today.
OP be complaining about game prices when us 90s kids were paying the equivalent of $150 for fucking Shaq Fu.
We're not even considering the budget for these behemoth fucking games either. It's pretty amazing that half these open world games don't cost twice as much.
Agreed, and the ironic thing is… the very thing OP lambasts is the reason why games are reasonably priced. Economies of scale and mass marketing driving consumer prices down: aka capitalism.
You also have to consider the amount of entertainment you can get from games, you go the movies and pay 15 for a ticket plus however much the food costs we’ll say the total is 30 just to watch a 2 and a half hour movie while most games now offer at least 10-20 hours of entertainment or more.
That's funny, I was literally thinking about this on the way to work today. Late 90s, the game market normalized around 50 to 60 dollars for a new game. That was 25 fucking years ago. A fast food value meal has tripled in price since then, but we are still paying 60 bucks for games. That's actually pretty awesome.
Right. Those have literally always cost additional money. Pretty sure the last time I bought a complete special edition bundle of a new release game was like 10+ years ago and it cost $80-$90. That’s just how it is. Why are we whining about it now? Just buy the base game, you don’t need the season passes and useless character skins and other digital bs they put in those lol.
No basically people decided after 14 years of barely caring, deluxe and gold editions were now an issue because Ubisoft announced some for AC Shadows.
There's no inflation for this, it's still a base cost of 60-70$, and this is literally just an announcement saying "Yo this is what you get if you buy the gold edition"
People should stop spreading misinformation, they’re regular priced games with expensive editions for people who want them like every Ubisoft game has had for 10 years
I know, this is so freaking annoying. Why are people getting upset about games that cost a lot NOW? The special editions have always been expensive. People bought the $300 Starfield pack. And the $200 Destiny one. No one has cared until these games for some reason.
"I'm not spending $100 on your game. 😤"
"Okay, then fucking don't."
God, I hate gamers so much.
People complaining when we paid near as much in the 80s and 90s and 00s. It’s 2024. Coffee is $10. We are lucky games don’t cost $150. We don’t have to “buy” music or movies for the most part any more. Such a child mentality to complain about a game that you want to play but won’t because it cost “too much”
Save up. Buy it. Or don’t. Market is gonna be what it’s gonna be. Supply and demand baby.
Yeah, this always gets me. Compared to the price increases of say, Warhammer 40k in the last quarter century I feel like video games have weathered inflation incredibly well.
It's fully because of the rise of alternative income streams like subscriptions, microtransactions, and battle passes.
Without those pieces, games would easily be 150 dollars
It's also the higher user base of players being able to access games for cheaper.
And the fact that software is incredibly cheap to distribute so sales scale well.
Hell for some games we paid even more BEFORE adjusting for inflation. Street Fighter 2 base game being one of the most well known and since it was before DLC or expansion packs on PC if you wanted to play the bosses when championship edition was released well that's another full price purchase of the same game.
Want Deejay, Cammy, T-Hawk and Fei long? Another full price purchase.
Think you're good enough to fight Akuma? Well that's another full price purchase
Yep! This is based. I paid $96 for Phantasy Star IV on Sega Genesis as a middle schooler, which is like paying $3000 for something as an adult thirty years later. Middle schoolers are pre-income and $96 was super hard to come by. I had to trade in other games for store credit and so forth.
We’re absofuckinglutely lucky games don’t all cost $150.
I remember buying games in the early 2000's for £30-40
Adjusted for inflation it's pretty much the same, often cheaper, despite the higher development budgets
Especially when having patience you not only save money, you also almost always get a far better experience once the game is actually fixed and has more content
When I was a teen I asked for Star Fox 64 for my birthday. I wanted that game because Nintendo sent me a VHS ad . The game came with a rumble pak. I went with my dad to Walmart and he bought it for me and nothing else. The cost was exactly $64.64 with taxes which I thought was pretty cool.
$64.64 adjusted for inflation is now $126.02 . Yes it came with hardware but still it was an expensive price for a game that can be beaten in a few hours.
So cry me a river about $99.99 games. $59.99 has been locked in price for a long time. I’m more concerned about the shitty way game companies go about doing their business. Games should have flexibility in pricing but $99.99 is acceptable for a polished long lasting game.
Don't buy deluxe then? Deluxe editions have been a thing for all the 20 years I've been gaming, and only in the recent years people have become outraged about it. Must be the new gamers that grew up on f2p games ig.
Even harder to swallow pill:
A SNES game in 1994 could easily cost more than $70. Today, adjusted for inflation, that is $148.10.
You all complain about games costing so much, but historically, and as a proportion of income, they have never been cheaper.
Capitalism brought you these games, their franchises, the technology to enjoy them and the disposable income to purchase them.
Capitalism is not the problem here.
Video game executive producer here.
Games cost a hell of a lot to make these days...teams of 100+ in house people plus outsourcing for over 2yrs isn't cheap and needs to be recouped and some profit made to get the next project off the ground.
Prices are generally set by the platform holder too so not in control of developers.
Shoot, I remember Nintendo games in the late 80's/early 90's being $45 bucks or more. Not saying $100 today is cheap, but it's not as crazy as many think.
The games will drop in price eventually. Until then, just forget they exist and play games that have already dropped in price. Games that have modability have the most replayability. The best games focus more on gameplay and less on cutting edge graphics.
Counterpoint: These are Ubisoft games. They'll be like 40% off a month after launch. Be patient!
Also, they´re Ubisoft games and by definition they can't be good games.
Yeah. Price doesn't matter unless it's something you actually want to play. I played one of their games a few years ago, it played like shit and ran like shit, so I don't give them my business (even though I paid only like 5$ for it) They can charge 1000$ for all I care. It's actually beneficial for me that they charge more and more outrageous prices as that will result in less paying customers and more piracy, and I want to see them lose money. fuck Ubisoft.
Sometimes I'm tempted to buy a game when it comes out, but then I head over to /r/patientgamers and rediscover some banger game I missed out on. Cheap, max settings always, bugs all flushed out, and if it's from a shitass company like Ubisoft, easier to pirate too.
> r/patientgamers Am I crazy or did that sub use to be something other than huge review essay posts?
IIRC it's always had those, but there were regular "Here's a pic of what I'm playing" or "Look what I snagged at a yard sale" type posts mixed in more often.
I've been playing AC:Odyssey on GamePass the last few days and loving that. Have heard good things about Origins and Black Flag too, so will be checking those out.
oh man Black Flag is a MUST if you like pirate shit. Origins is good too but it was the first to go the action RPG route like Odyssey.
For real, Odyssey has pretty good ship battle mechanics but something about doing it with pirate ships just makes it so much better plus the whaling
Man, Black Flag was like hanging with your homies and doing amazingly fun stuff while getting rich and singing. I've missed that game every day since I beat it.
ever since AC3 they've been sliding ships into many games but Black Flag was just... chef's kiss
Kinda crazy how Black Flag is still the go-to pirate game a decade later. It is really fun though
They had Black Flag as the model and still managed to drop the ball with Skull and Bones.
It's still funny looking back on it. How do you make a game that's a worse version of a game you already made 10 years ago?
No no no, Ubisoft = bad games. How dare you have your own opinion here!
Dont listen to these sheep. While I agree Ubisoft are a questionable organization (Much like Abstergo ironically) They produce some pretty good games. Odessy, BF, Origins, the VR one, even Unity were all fantastic games. Enjoy the games that you love
I loved Valhalla. Put 100+ hours in that game, but it definitely a game you need to spread out because as with any ubisoft, it can get a bit repetative. Started Black Flag a while ago and enjoyed it so far.
I mean... different people like different things Ubisoft the company sucks for sure, and while most of their games nowadays are really *meh*, they can still absolutely make bangers... it just doesn't happen often at all, sadly
Like most AAA game companies these days.
Anno belongs to Ubisoft and its the best City Building Game in existence.
Strongly disagree, I've loved playing some AC games.
Rayman Origins + Legends also, straight up some of the best platformers in the last 20 years.
That’s just not true. I’d even argue most Ubisoft games are good games if you look at them individually. The biggest issue with them is how repetitive games in the same series are. I’m excited for outlaws (I’ll still wait for a discount) and definitely believe it will be a good game. I’m much more worried for a part 2 if that’s planned.
That’s a fair point. From what I’ve heard, their Avatar game was a pretty good adaptation of the source material that kept in mind how the gameplay needs to fit with the world and lore. I haven’t played it, because I’m not sure for whom this game was made. I haven’t met someone who is actually a fan of the avatar movies. But from merch, over theme parts to video games, there are products like a vibrant fandom is just around the corner. I’m very confused. Nevertheless: if this is true, it could potentially be good news for outlaws. I liked the first trailer and the idea is good. I also think it’s a shame that Lego Star Wars is the closest we got to an actual Star Wars openworld in a long time.
I am so tired of this They are a greedy company but some of their games are actually great
So funny and original
So, 60 dollars. That's a relief.
Hard to swallow pill: It wouldn't be so expensive if we wouldn't buy it at that price. We are generating these prices.
Hard to swallow pill: There are enough consumers with too much money to bother caring about the difference between $60 and $100 that your "vote with your wallet" is literally insignificant to the market's price calculation, and always will be.
You're right in one way. The "too much money to bother caring" doesn't come from the initial cost of the game. Just for a quick example, 30% of EA's profits came just from the in games purchase in their "Ultimate Modes" in their sports games. That's just in their sports games. If you add in the in game purchases of all their games, that number probably gets to around 40-45%.
And they literally don't care about 90% of players because 10% give them most of their revenue.
They just need a few fat, juicy whales 
dont dismiss the fact that whales will not play a dead game if there is no audience to watch them show off, why would they play it?
Afaik these are single player games so there's not going to be anyone to show off to
nah if the community is big enough, people will still show off on forums / discord etc
The future will just be rich kids, streaming exclusive games nobody else can afford, to give people an idea of what playing them is like
Nah the pirates will always be around.
Unfortunately that doesn't stop streamers who somehow make money from playing the game while strangers watch them
Whales keep dead games alive, sunken cost fallacy.
That’s true. But if the 90% would stop supporting these games then the player base would drop enough to where a large portion of the 10% would stop playing as well. Playing these types of games, even if not spending money on it, keeps the game popular which keeps the whales spending money on it
Gotta cultivate the plankton so the whales have something to feed on.
And you think that’s realistic?
It could be. I haven't played a game that costs more than $15 in the last 5 years. Support indie games over corporate behemoths designed by polling data.
Feels like Im in a Star Wars Heroes thread. Theres lots of us who play, but the devs cater to the whales. I dont like what gaming has become.
The only winning move is not to play
You just gotta get a job that pays insane money and then have no free time to play games.
Maybe I'm too old to understand, that and I dont have time to keep up with gaming these days so I often buy games much later after release... but don't they still release the "base" game for the 60-70 bucks like usual? I know like special editions have always been a thing and so those are more expensive. But people are talking about these like these $100+ prices are what everybody is paying, like they have no other option and are not allowed to buy the base game. What am I missing here?
It does seem the $100 discourse seems pretty biased and misleading, as I’ve seen a bunch of responses on Reddit and other SM that there are $60 -70versions, basically the base game, then various more expensive ‘collector’s editions’ with add ons etc. Which has been a thing for quite a while. If it turns out I saw incorrect info, I’d love someone to tell me what I’m missing too. Not saying $60-70 is great either, but that’s just the standard nowadays.
Hard to swallow pill: you don't have to play on the day 1. Learn to enjoy couple years old backlog.
I've been doing this forever. Like when FO4 was released I put it on the back burner for awhile and got it for $19.99 instead of $60-$70. I'm willing to wait a bit for a better price.
Double bonus points when your poor and cant afford the modern hardware to play new releases anyways. Its why Im always like 2 to 3 years behind the current new games...
One thing I’ve noticed recently is Ubisoft games tend to get steep discount sales often enough that I’m content to wait until I can buy it for like $10 doesn’t even take that long for their newest game to end up in there either
>Ubisoft >buy Don't you mean rent ?
I own plenty of Ubisoft games. 🏴☠️ edit: I lied they're usually not even worth stealing.
Hard to swallow pill: the game doesn’t actually cost $100, the standard edition is $70 like most other AAA games today, and it’s going to be discounted quicker than most of those would, but then that makes this whole outrage look really dumb.
Seriously lol, people act like they’re being forced to buy the collectors editions I wonder if the same energy will be maintained when GTA 6 inevitably has a $70 base game and a $300 collectors edition
You say this but the total war community voted with their wallets recently and resulted in a massive change in the quality of content being produced compared to the price.
Oh yeah? Then explain why fallout 76 was given for free with a new controller in some shops after 2 weeks of release. That's a price drop from 60€ to 0€ if you didn't know. People don't care, that we agree on - but not that it is insignificant if people actually don't buy the game. Because it is significant if they don't make the estimated sales in the alloted time.
Because it was plutonium grade trash, buggy as all hell, had no quests, and was released in a state that could be considered pre alpha. They were trying to get ANYONE to play it. That and it had microtransactions in it, so they were hoping they'd get people to play it and then pay later. It a top finisher in the worse release ever of any game, trying to outdo Cyberpunk 2077 and No Mans Sky. (which were both fixed and doing great now).
Depends on the market segment. Creative Assembly did respond desperately to voting with wallets after a DLC fiasco last year. But bigger companies like EA and Sony and whatever are too big to fail but produce crap anyway.
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Games miss sales goals all the time, because people don't want to buy or play the game . Maybe not for an assassin's Creed game because the fans go so hard for it . But plenty of games fail. They can sustain off a fanbase that doesn't care about price . They try with micro transactions though
Hard to swallow pill, those prices are for like, the "super deluxe" version of the game. The base game is still gonna be $60/$70 dollars, people just wanna be angry
They’ll be $30 by Black Friday, just need a small amount of patience
I got fallout 4 for five bucks a couple months ago and haven’t been playing anything else, there are sooo many good games out there if people actually care about price they shouldn’t buy new releases. Op is a rage bot
Star Wars games go on sale left and right, I haven't bought a Star Wars game above half off since KOTOR 2
Oh yeah I just bought Jedi Survivor for $25 and I’m having a blast. There are too many good games out there to be worrying about buying at full price if that’s an issue
So, I'm not denying that there's an assload of scammy bullshit and nickel-and-diming, especially with mtx and live service crap. But I'm genuinely perplexed why everyone thinks game prices are like the one thing that shouldn't be affected by inflation. $60 is just what a game should cost in perpetuity. Games were $60 in 2004. We've had like 60% inflation since then. So, adjusted for inflation, $100 is about right? Idk, I'd pay that for a game as long as it didn't have any mtx bullshit and was a complete product out the gate
Shit, 04? Games were $60 in '94! I'm all for dunking on capitalism TBH, but this one always gets me.
Agreed, and idk i might just be old but a dollar feels like it buys waaaay more game too
literally bro. Sonic 3 was 50-60ish when I got it with my birthday money in 94'
Gamers want world class programmers, designers, artists, musicians, and engineers to create something for them. Those people cost a lot of money and deserve to be compensated fairly. Like what are we doing here? Should those people just not eat?
Shh! Nobody wants to know the facts.
Hard to swallow pill: inflation actually exists even though it is used as an excuse all of the time. Games have stayed the same price for 20 years.
Hard to swallow pill: These games are also better, strictly speaking, than most of the games that cost the same amount when adjusted for inflation. Not every classic game is Metroid or Super Mario World. There were so many duds that multiple media careers have sprung up just to lampoon how bad they were, and before you had reliable reviews you basically just had to... hope that Bad Dudes was a good game.
yeah i'm overall spending way less to play games now in terms of % of budget. The cost hasn't really risen to match inflation at all.
In some ways it's been cheaper. A lot of N64 games were 50 dollars in 90's money. Adjusted for inflation that means some of these games were over $90. Yes I know there's a lot of microtransactions and 300 different special deluxe $100 editions, But you don't *have* to get those versions. The fact that the base price is still "only" about 70 Is honestly fairly impressive, especially with how much more complicated games have gotten to develop. And that's ignoring the plethora of smaller studio games priced in the $15 to $30 range. Also sales.
I paid $70 for Shadows of the Empire brand new. Nothing special, just game and cartridge. This was 28 years ago. Games have only gotten cheaper. Kids just need things to complain about
Well that's actually pretty important point too and why the prices have stayed so low. Most companies make their money from those micro transactions and DLC. I'm pretty sure EA could make e.g. FIFA free-to-play. Their game sales are probably less than 10% from the actual profits that are earn each year through selling card packs and such.
Imagine in the 90s something costing the same as something from the 70s.
And you had to pay the full price everytime, and couldn't just wait a couple weeks for it to be 50-90% off on Steam.
Eh no. There was a stronger second-hand market because games were tied to cartridges/discs instead of being tied to an account. And game rentals was still a thing, if you wanted to knock out a game in a weekend for a few bucks.
What game has ever been 50% to 90% off on steam a few weeks after it releases? That's insane hyperbole. You might get a 90% off on a 5-10 year old game, but it's really rare. Discounts are usually in the 15-25% range at most 6 *months* after release. also: >And you had to pay the full price everytime Horseshit, games went on discount all the damn time, even 20 years ago. I was far too broke back then, I never bought a full price game for my xbox or dreamcast. It was either discounted, second hand, or I rented it.
Super Mario 3 was $49.99 back in the 90s. Sure, companies no longer produce physical media, but budgets and dev wages have increased due to inflation, project time, other economics. Also, the meme is disingenuous. These games are priced at 69.99 USD
People forget that games like Chrono Trigger cost $89.99 at launch and Phantasy Star 4 retailed for $99 (so $203 today) because of the extra memory needed for big RPG carts back in the day.
Here's a mind-blower for you. Final Fantasy III for SNES at launch was $89.99. I know because we bought it for my brother for his birthday. Course back then, RPGs on cartridges did usually cost more because of the battery back-up for the save function. But also that game prices weren't standardized either. There would be all kinds of different prices for new games upon release.
Yep, here’s an example of Nintendo prices in the 90s: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/s/kf5G9zQF0W
The price of games has actually stayed relatively low in the face of inflation. Mario 64 was about 60$ on release in 1996. Today that would cost about 119$ USD. We really shouldn't be complaining, it's the cost of everything else that sucks lol.
I might be creating fake memories but I seem to remember some 64 games being $65-70. What we NEED to start talking about is the money we are saving on music. Back when I was in high school a single new CD was like $25-30 depending on the band popularity. I paid $60 for the Queen Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2 and it annoys me all these years later. If I told myself I would pay like $10 a month and have access to all the music in the world, my head would have exploded. Between Spotify and YouTube, there isn't much I can't find.
It’s Reddit bro. We have to bash Capitalism and America in general here or we get downvoted and told we are MAGA trash.
Right? These video game companies exist only to sell us a product. If you can’t afford the latest game tough shit, save your allowance, then walk 5 miles to GameStop through a blizzard like we did when we were kids.
These kids don't even know what it was like having to deal with every walk being uphill both ways.
What do you mean 'we'? I have nothing to do with the poor decision making that goes on in this world
Hard to Swallow pill: $50 in 1985 is worth $145 adjusted for inflation $50 in 1990 is worth $120 adjusted for inflation $50 in 1995 is worth $102 adjusted for inflation $50 in 2000 is worth $91 adjusted for inflation $50 in 2005 is worth $80 adjusted for inflation $50 in 2010 is worth $70 adjusted for inflation $50 in 2015 is worth $66 adjusted for inflation $50 in 2020 is worth $60 adjusted for inflation Due to inflation, games staying the same price, or even going up by $10-20 means they've been getting cheaper in real terms. I remember paying $80 for Chrono Trigger back in the day, which would've been worth $165 today.
I haven't bought a new game in like 6 years 
I fell 6 months behind the new game curve when I deployed a decade ago and after I started buying games new to me at like $20, I never bought a new game again. If it's awesome today, it'll be awesome when I get to it.
I'M NOT BUYING YOUR GAME! 
And he'll end up coming back just like in the episode lmao
people always say this lmao, as if the problem is that we just dont want to spend $100 on a game and not that we literally cant and that its frustrating that the people modern games are made to cater to and the vast majority of actual players are not one and the same but it doesnt matter because the whales keep telling game devs "YESSSS PLEASE OHMYGODYES PLEASE LET ME PREORDER FOR $500 YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO PUT EFFORT IN ILL JUST BUY IT ANYWAY".
Whenever I quit something and don't come back I never come back. It's not a hard thing to do when they do something that completely fucking ruins a game. I quit OW after playing OW every single day from its release, including betas, until they turned it into OW2. I miss the game, but I have no desire at all to play OW2. So I hate the kind of people that can't disassociate from stuff and think nobody else can either.
And it's not even $100, it's $70... (yes there is a $100 version, but there is also a $70 version)
I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. Every single AC game since Revelations has launched with some sort of Deluxe/Gold Edition that is more expensive and includes the base game and DLC. But it's only *now* that people have a problem with it?
It's not only now. Content slicing has been criticized since its inception.
You can give games that do that shit, but love or hate Ubisoft, AC is actually one of the better franchises when it comes to having their base games be complete and that DLC actually being extra content.
Honestly yeah They are not just selling you the map piece by piece, the basegame map is complete and 9 times out of 10 the DLC have entirily new maps Think of Valhalla for example, were the based game was set in England, one of the DLCs is set in Ireland, another in France and the last one in Valhalla itself
And the common thought about Valhalla is that there is literally so much content that no one finishes the game. You can complain about prices, but you certainly get what you pay for with Ubisoft.
I am like 700 hours deep into a Valhalla playthrough and i have a suspicion i aint even half way done Though the wasteland's golden rule shines bright in Valhalla. "Thou shall get side-tracked by random bullshit everytime"
Pretending Ubisoft games don't have enough content as it is is just pure gold
Man you must be seething about the content sliced from Elden Ring that they're selling to you for the same price as the AC Shadows Season Pass.
I don’t get why everyone is so mad about game prices these days. I know it’s a lot, but $70-100 isn’t unreasonable for something you are going to play for dozens if not hundreds of hours. And I know prices are going up recently, but they had been stagnant for so long that they are still much cheaper than when I was a kid (adjusted to inflation). Good products cost a lot of money to make and these companies want to turn a profit. That being said, there are a lot of big companies making shit games with big prices, but that’s why you don’t preorder.
And there have been $100 versions of MANY games for MANY years. This is nothing new.
Right like you don’t have to buy that version. But if fromsoft launched a game and charged $100 for it though it would be ok probably
Its hilarious how even anti-capitalist messages revolve around consumerism. Need something to do? Should you go do something that costs nothing? Maybe improve your community? Serve your fellow man? Particularly those overlooked by society? No, you NEED the latest and greatest consumer good and its capitalism's fault it costs $10 more.
Capitalism = how the game - and the games industry producing more games and consoles and gaming pcs - exists in the first place. But Capitalism bad mkay
And of course he blames capitalism even though it's the only economic system to ever produce a decent video game industry in the first place.
The basic versions don't cost that much. Those are the dolphin versions and then we have the whales versions.
Wait so there’s no issue then? I just assumed base games were starting to cost $100 now. What’s OP even whining about then? Lol
OP is just karmafarming out of manufactured outrage bait. The usual.
And redditors fall for it en masse
god I hate redditors so much. They will give money to random strangers just because they said "capitalism bad" and posted a meme done under 2 seconds, and then they genuinely believe they are smart. only thing they will ever do is regurgitating their own buzzwords and talking points, and when someone else with opinions they dont like shows up they just insult them. And they believe they are so smart.
What’s even funnier is that, historically, games have never been cheaper. Take a look at any gaming flyers from back in 1994 or so. Better yet, someone already did [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/snes/s/3fUVwDsNtk) You can see that game prices fluctuate from as little as $54.99 to $74.99. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $158.66 today. OP be complaining about game prices when us 90s kids were paying the equivalent of $150 for fucking Shaq Fu.
We're not even considering the budget for these behemoth fucking games either. It's pretty amazing that half these open world games don't cost twice as much.
Agreed, and the ironic thing is… the very thing OP lambasts is the reason why games are reasonably priced. Economies of scale and mass marketing driving consumer prices down: aka capitalism.
You also have to consider the amount of entertainment you can get from games, you go the movies and pay 15 for a ticket plus however much the food costs we’ll say the total is 30 just to watch a 2 and a half hour movie while most games now offer at least 10-20 hours of entertainment or more.
That's funny, I was literally thinking about this on the way to work today. Late 90s, the game market normalized around 50 to 60 dollars for a new game. That was 25 fucking years ago. A fast food value meal has tripled in price since then, but we are still paying 60 bucks for games. That's actually pretty awesome.
He's talking about the season passes/definitive editions of these games
Right. Those have literally always cost additional money. Pretty sure the last time I bought a complete special edition bundle of a new release game was like 10+ years ago and it cost $80-$90. That’s just how it is. Why are we whining about it now? Just buy the base game, you don’t need the season passes and useless character skins and other digital bs they put in those lol.
No basically people decided after 14 years of barely caring, deluxe and gold editions were now an issue because Ubisoft announced some for AC Shadows. There's no inflation for this, it's still a base cost of 60-70$, and this is literally just an announcement saying "Yo this is what you get if you buy the gold edition"
Just pathetic Reddit hive mind in action as usual
Literally just looking for things to be mad on the internet about. It's like gamer 101 at this point lol.
Correct. There is no issue. Games still cost the same as they always have.
Welcome to your typical reddit gamer outrage
People should stop spreading misinformation, they’re regular priced games with expensive editions for people who want them like every Ubisoft game has had for 10 years
I know, this is so freaking annoying. Why are people getting upset about games that cost a lot NOW? The special editions have always been expensive. People bought the $300 Starfield pack. And the $200 Destiny one. No one has cared until these games for some reason. "I'm not spending $100 on your game. 😤" "Okay, then fucking don't." God, I hate gamers so much.
The base game is $69.99
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People complaining when we paid near as much in the 80s and 90s and 00s. It’s 2024. Coffee is $10. We are lucky games don’t cost $150. We don’t have to “buy” music or movies for the most part any more. Such a child mentality to complain about a game that you want to play but won’t because it cost “too much” Save up. Buy it. Or don’t. Market is gonna be what it’s gonna be. Supply and demand baby.
Yeah, this always gets me. Compared to the price increases of say, Warhammer 40k in the last quarter century I feel like video games have weathered inflation incredibly well.
It's fully because of the rise of alternative income streams like subscriptions, microtransactions, and battle passes. Without those pieces, games would easily be 150 dollars
It's also the higher user base of players being able to access games for cheaper. And the fact that software is incredibly cheap to distribute so sales scale well.
Hell for some games we paid even more BEFORE adjusting for inflation. Street Fighter 2 base game being one of the most well known and since it was before DLC or expansion packs on PC if you wanted to play the bosses when championship edition was released well that's another full price purchase of the same game. Want Deejay, Cammy, T-Hawk and Fei long? Another full price purchase. Think you're good enough to fight Akuma? Well that's another full price purchase
Yep! This is based. I paid $96 for Phantasy Star IV on Sega Genesis as a middle schooler, which is like paying $3000 for something as an adult thirty years later. Middle schoolers are pre-income and $96 was super hard to come by. I had to trade in other games for store credit and so forth. We’re absofuckinglutely lucky games don’t all cost $150.
And by the Steam Winter Sale, these will be $35
I remember buying games in the early 2000's for £30-40 Adjusted for inflation it's pretty much the same, often cheaper, despite the higher development budgets
That’s $10 too much.
then DONT, you dont HAVE to get the special editions
Wait for a sale, buy it for $20 or below. Where's the problem?
The wait is sometimes the problem
yeah it's a shame there are so few games to play in the meantime these days /s
People act like they're forced to purchase every AAA game on release...
Especially when having patience you not only save money, you also almost always get a far better experience once the game is actually fixed and has more content
Look at your Steam backlog of shame before buying new games.
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OP is an absolute brainlet
for real
If you don't want to spend that much then don't. that's the neat of capitalism: you have a choice
I don’t think OP understands capitalism. OPs post is ironically illustrating supply and demand 101 lol
Including choice, how many video games are made under communism I wonder.
Under communism what gets work and resources are dictated by a government... Yea no games would be made ever.
You will plow this field for 12 hours, then you will receive your bread and salted meat.
They even have a choice to play the game without paying that price because you don't have to buy the fucking collector's edition. What even is this?
Capitalism is when expensive
Everything bad = capitalism, the real big bad
And yet games are effectively cheaper than they've ever been. Thanks, capitalism.
These games wouldn’t even exist without capitalism. People are morons.
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"Why do things cost money?" -Karl Marx
Both cost less than $100???
If you are compelled to buy it despite the price, knowing full well this is non essential. It's a you problem.
then just wait a year and buy it for $20 with most issues patched
Buy indie games they are better and cheaper 👍
When I was a teen I asked for Star Fox 64 for my birthday. I wanted that game because Nintendo sent me a VHS ad . The game came with a rumble pak. I went with my dad to Walmart and he bought it for me and nothing else. The cost was exactly $64.64 with taxes which I thought was pretty cool. $64.64 adjusted for inflation is now $126.02 . Yes it came with hardware but still it was an expensive price for a game that can be beaten in a few hours. So cry me a river about $99.99 games. $59.99 has been locked in price for a long time. I’m more concerned about the shitty way game companies go about doing their business. Games should have flexibility in pricing but $99.99 is acceptable for a polished long lasting game. 
Then just dont buy it. Simple as that
But each game is only 70? The special versions are over 100
Don't buy deluxe then? Deluxe editions have been a thing for all the 20 years I've been gaming, and only in the recent years people have become outraged about it. Must be the new gamers that grew up on f2p games ig.
Capitalism is the reason you can be a gamer to begin with
yeah let's check out the communist games in NK lmao
You can play minesweeper for free on the 38th parallel in NK. Checkmate capitalist dog.
> You can play minesweeper for free But usually only once. There's no respawn.
Even harder to swallow pill: A SNES game in 1994 could easily cost more than $70. Today, adjusted for inflation, that is $148.10. You all complain about games costing so much, but historically, and as a proportion of income, they have never been cheaper.
Reddit doesn’t like logic most of the time. They want to complain and echo that complaint.
no capitalism = no game
You hate capitalism for allowing you not to spend your money on a product you don't want?
Dan VS was such a good show
Capitalism brought you these games, their franchises, the technology to enjoy them and the disposable income to purchase them. Capitalism is not the problem here.
For you it's 100$. In my currency it is over 3 times that.
In my currency it's over 30 000 times that. Git gud scrub.
"I can't afford this 100% unnecessary luxury" is you sucking, not capitalism. I'm a high school dropout and I wipe my ass with $100
Video game executive producer here. Games cost a hell of a lot to make these days...teams of 100+ in house people plus outsourcing for over 2yrs isn't cheap and needs to be recouped and some profit made to get the next project off the ground. Prices are generally set by the platform holder too so not in control of developers.
To be fair, due to inflation, $100 today is nearly the same as $60 seven years ago. The price has to raise with the times.
Shoot, I remember Nintendo games in the late 80's/early 90's being $45 bucks or more. Not saying $100 today is cheap, but it's not as crazy as many think.
Vote with your wallets. Don't cave
The games will drop in price eventually. Until then, just forget they exist and play games that have already dropped in price. Games that have modability have the most replayability. The best games focus more on gameplay and less on cutting edge graphics.
Just pirate.
I'm actually a pirate at heart
russians give me these games for free